De relatie tussen politieke stijl en Jung type (juiste versie)

[Nr.10]

Wat denkt u van de relatie tussen iemands politieke stijl en Jung type?

Op de S-N as bijvoorbeeld zouden S types bij voorkeur bezig zijn met het lokale.
N-types kijken meer naar de 'big picture'.

Bij wijze van oefening, en om de discussie te kleuren: bepaal uw type aan de hand van 72 vraagjes:
http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp
Met bijhorende poll.

Heb een sterk vermoeden dat I hier veel meer vertegenwoordigd is als E.
E vermoedelijk veel sterker vertegenwoordigd in de Wetstraat.

Enkele voorbeelden:

Hillary Clinton, INTJ ------------- Barack Obama, ENFJ ------------- John McCain, INTP
Drie maal N, volgens: http://typelogic.com/

Topic onder binnenland omwille van, misschien wel oa, de communautaire relevantie van uw Jung-type.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Ik ben volgens die test ENFP

"General: ENFPs are both "idea"-people and "people"-people, who see everyone and everything as part of an often bizarre cosmic whole. They want to both help (at least, their own definition of "help") and be liked and admired by other people, on both an individual and a humanitarian level. They are interested in new ideas on principle, but ultimately discard most of them for one reason or another.

Social/Personal Relationships: ENFPs have a great deal of zany charm, which can ingratiate them to the more stodgy types in spite of their unconventionality. They are outgoing, fun, and genuinely like people. As SOs/mates they are warm, affectionate (lots of PDA), and disconcertingly spontaneous. However, attention span in relationships can be short; ENFPs are easily intrigued and distracted by new friends and acquaintances, forgetting about the older ones for long stretches at a time. Less mature ENFPs may need to feel they are the center of attention all the time, to reassure them that everyone thinks they're a wonderful and fascinating person.

ENFPs often have strong, if unconvential, convictions on various issues related to their Cosmic View. They usually try to use their social skills and contacts to persuade people gently of the rightness of these views; this sometimes results in their neglecting their nearest and dearest while flitting around trying to save the world.
Work Environment: ENFPs are pleasant, easygoing, and usually fun to work with. They come up with great ideas, and are a major asset in brainstorming sessions. Followthrough tends to be a problem, however; they tend to get bored quickly, especially if a newer, more interesting project comes along. They also tend to be procrastinators, both about meeting hard deadlines and about performing any small, uninteresting tasks that they've been assigned. ENFPs are at their most useful when working in a group with a J or two to take up the slack.

ENFPs hate bureaucracy, both in principle and in practice; they will always make a point of launching one of their crusades against some aspect of it. "

Ja, dat lijkt wel te kloppen, die test.

[Stratcat]

INFJ

The Portait of the Counselor (INFJ)

The Counselor Idealists are abstract in thought and speech, cooperative in reaching their goals, and enterprising and attentive in their interpersonal roles. Counselors focus on human potentials, think in terms of ethical values, and come easily to decisions. The small number of this type (little more than 2 percent) is regrettable, since Counselors have an unusually strong desire to contribute to the welfare of others and genuinely enjoy helping their companions. Although Counsleors tend to be private, sensitive people, and are not generally visible leaders, they nevertheless work quite intensely with those close to them, quietly exerting their influence behind the scenes with their families, friends, and colleagues. This type has great depth of personality; they are themselves complicated, and can understand and deal with complex issues and people.

Counselors can be hard to get to know. They have an unusually rich inner life, but they are reserved and tend not to share their reactions except with those they trust. With their loved ones, certainly, Counselors are not reluctant to express their feelings, their face lighting up with the positive emotions, but darkening like a thunderhead with the negative. Indeed, because of their strong ability to take into themselves the feelings of others, Counselors can be hurt rather easily by those around them, which, perhaps, is one reason why they tend to be private people, mutely withdrawing from human contact. At the same time, friends who have known a Counselor for years may find sides emerging which come as a surprise. Not that they are inconsistent; Counselors value their integrity a great deal, but they have intricately woven, mysterious personalities which sometimes puzzle even them.

Counselors have strong empathic abilities and can become aware of another's emotions or intentions -- good or evil -- even before that person is conscious of them. This "mind-reading" can take the form of feeling the hidden distress or illnesses of others to an extent which is difficult for other types to comprehend. Even Counselors can seldom tell how they came to penetrate others' feelings so keenly. Furthermore, the Counselor is most likely of all the types to demonstrate an ability to understand psychic phenomena and to have visions of human events, past, present, or future. What is known as ESP may well be exceptional intuitive ability-in both its forms, projection and introjection. Such supernormal intuition is found frequently in the Counselor, and can extend to people, things, and often events, taking the form of visions, episodes of foreknowledge, premonitions, auditory and visual images of things to come, as well as uncanny communications with certain individuals at a distance.

Mohandas Gandhi, Sidney Poitier, Eleanor Roosevelt, Jane Goodall, Emily Bronte, Sir Alec Guiness, Carl Jung, Mary Baker Eddy, Queen Noor are examples of the Counselor Idealist (INFJ).

"This type has great depth of personality". Heel goeie test!

[lombas]

Ik had de test al eens gedaan (een iets uitgebreidere versie ervan), en nu uiteraard met het zelfde resultaat: INTJ. Past ook het best zeer goed bij mij, meen ik.

Introverted iNtuitive Thinking Judging

To outsiders, INTJs may appear to project an aura of "definiteness", of self-confidence. This self-confidence, sometimes mistaken for simple arrogance by the less decisive, is actually of a very specific rather than a general nature; its source lies in the specialized knowledge systems that most INTJs start building at an early age. When it comes to their own areas of expertise -- and INTJs can have several -- they will be able to tell you almost immediately whether or not they can help you, and if so, how. INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still more importantly, they know what they don't know.

INTJs are perfectionists, with a seemingly endless capacity for improving upon anything that takes their interest. What prevents them from becoming chronically bogged down in this pursuit of perfection is the pragmatism so characteristic of the type: INTJs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion "Does it work?" to everything from their own research efforts to the prevailing social norms. This in turn produces an unusual independence of mind, freeing the INTJ from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake.

INTJs are known as the "Systems Builders" of the types, perhaps in part because they possess the unusual trait combination of imagination and reliability. Whatever system an INTJ happens to be working on is for them the equivalent of a moral cause to an INFJ; both perfectionism and disregard for authority may come into play, as INTJs can be unsparing of both themselves and the others on the project. Anyone considered to be "slacking," including superiors, will lose their respect -- and will generally be made aware of this; INTJs have also been known to take it upon themselves to implement critical decisions without consulting their supervisors or co-workers. On the other hand, they do tend to be scrupulous and even-handed about recognizing the individual contributions that have gone into a project, and have a gift for seizing opportunities which others might not even notice.

Personal relationships, particularly romantic ones, can be the INTJ's Achilles heel. While they are capable of caring deeply for others (usually a select few), and are willing to spend a great deal of time and effort on a relationship, the knowledge and self-confidence that make them so successful in other areas can suddenly abandon or mislead them in interpersonal situations.

This happens in part because many INTJs do not readily grasp the social rituals; for instance, they tend to have little patience and less understanding of such things as small talk and flirtation (which most types consider half the fun of a relationship). To complicate matters, INTJs are usually extremely private people, and can often be naturally impassive as well, which makes them easy to misread and misunderstand. Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense.

Probably the strongest INTJ assets in the interpersonal area are their intuitive abilities and their willingness to "work at" a relationship. Although as Ts they do not always have the kind of natural empathy that many Fs do, the Intuitive function can often act as a good substitute by synthesizing the probable meanings behind such things as tone of voice, turn of phrase, and facial expression. This ability can then be honed and directed by consistent, repeated efforts to understand and support those they care about, and those relationships which ultimately do become established with an INTJ tend to be characterized by their robustness, stability, and good communications.

INTJs are idea people. Anything is possible; everything is negotiable. Whatever the outer circumstances, INTJs are ever perceiving inner pattern-forms and using real-world materials to operationalize them. Others may see what is and wonder why; INTJs see what might be and say "Why not?!" Paradoxes, antinomies, and other contradictory phenomena aptly express these intuitors' amusement at those whom they feel may be taking a particular view of reality too seriously.

[thondermonst]

INTJ. toch een beetje een verrassing

[Bometal]

ENTJ

En past inderdaad als 2 druppels water ...

Mss toch een carrière in politiek overwegen ?

The Portait of the Fieldmarshal (ENTJ)

Of the four aspects of strategic analysis and definition, it is marshalling or situational organizing role that reaches the highest development in Fieldmarshals. As this kind of role is practiced some contingency organizing is necessary, so that the second suit of the Fieldmarshal's intellect is devising contingency plans. Structural and functional engineering, though practiced in some degree in the course of organizational operations, tend to be not nearly as well developed and are soon outstripped by the rapidly growing skills in organizing. But it must be said that any kind of strategic exercize tends to bring added strength to engineering as well as organizing skills.

As the organizing capabilities the Fieldmarshal increase so does their desire to let others know about whatever has come of their organizational efforts. So they tend to take up a directive role in their social exchanges. On the other hand they have less and less desire, if they ever had any, to inform others.

Hardly more than two percent of the total population, the Fieldmarshals are bound to lead others, and from an early age they can be observed taking command of groups. In some cases, Fieldmarshals simply find themselves in charge of groups, and are mystified as to how this happened. But the reason is that Fieldmarshals have a strong natural urge to give structure and direction wherever they are -- to harness people in the field and to direct them to achieve distant goals. They resemble Supervisors in their tendency to establish plans for a task, enterprise, or organization, but Fieldmarshals search more for policy and goals than for regulations and procedures.

They cannot not build organizations, and cannot not push to implement their goals. When in charge of an organization, whether in the military, business, education, or government, Fieldmarshals more than any other type desire (and generally have the ability) to visualize where the organization is going, and they seem able to communicate that vision to others. Their organizational and coordinating skills tends to be highly developed, which means that they are likely to be good at systematizing, ordering priorities, generalizing, summarizing, at marshalling evidence, and at demonstrating their ideas. Their ability to organize, however, may be more highly developed than their ability to analyze, and the Fieldmarshal leader may need to turn to an Inventor or Architect to provide this kind of input.

Fieldmarshals will usually rise to positions of responsibility and enjoy being executives. They are tireless in their devotion to their jobs and can easily block out other areas of life for the sake of their work. Superb administrators in any field -- medicine, law, business, education, government, the military -- Fieldmarshals organize their units into smooth-functioning systems, planning in advance, keeping both short-term and long-range objectives well in mind. For the Fieldmarshals, there must always be a goal-directed reason for doing anything, and people's feelings usually are not sufficient reason. They prefer decisions to be based on impersonal data, want to work from well thought-out plans, like to use engineered operations -- and they expect others to follow suit. They are ever intent on reducing bureaucratic red tape, task redundancy, and aimless confusion in the workplace, and they are willing to dismiss employees who cannot get with the program and increase their efficiency. Although Fieldmarshals are tolerant of established procedures, they can and will abandon any procedure when it can be shown to be ineffective in accomplishing its goal. Fieldmarshals root out and reject ineffectiveness and inefficiency, and are impatient with repetition of error.

Napoleon, Margret Thatcher, Carl Sagan, Bill Gates, Golda Meir, Edward Teller, George Benard Shaw, and General George C. Marshall are examples of Rational Fieldmarshals.

[Jazeker]

Intj

[HAMC]

You are:
slightly expressed introvert

moderately expressed intuitive personality

slightly expressed feeling personality

slightly expressed perceiving personality


Ik had er niet echt goede hoop op maar ik moet zeggen dat de test - voor mij dan, redelijk juist is daar ik van me zelf dacht/vreesde dat ik het extravert intuitieve type was zoals gedefinieerd ddor Jung.

En inderdaad, zoals we hiervoor al gzegd hadden, ondernemers, politiekers en dergelijke meer zijn oververtegenwoordigd in dit specifieke psychologische type.

[netslet]

INTP. Geen verassing hier.

Wanneer ik me extravert voel, dan betekent dat dat ik naar de schoenen van m'n gesprekspartner staar in plaats van naar m'n eigen schoenen.

Of the four aspects of strategic analysis and definition it is the structural engineering role—architechtonics—that reaches the highest development in INTPs, and it is for this reason they are aptly called the "architects." Their major interest is in figuring out structure, build, configuration—the spatiality of things.

As the engineering capabilities the INTPs increase so does their desire to let others know about whatever has come of their engineering efforts. So they tend to take up an informative role in their social exchanges. On the other hand they have less and less desire, if they ever had any, to direct the activities of others. Only when forced to by circumstance do they allow themselves to take charge of activities, and they exit the role as soon as they can without injuring the enterprise.

The INTPs' distant goal is always to rearrange the environment somehow, to shape, to construct, to devise, whether it be buildings, institutions, enterprises, or theories. They look upon the world—natural and civil—as little more than raw material to be reshaped according to their design, as a formless stone for their hammer and chisel. Ayn Rand, master of the Rational character, describes this characteristic in the architect Howard Roark, her protagonist in The Fountainhead:

He was looking at the granite. He did not laugh as his eyes stopped in awareness of the earth around him. His face was like a law of nature—a thing one could not question, alter or implore. It had high cheekbones over gaunt, hollow cheeks; gray eyes, cold and steady; a contemptuous mouth, shut tight, the mouth of an executioner or a saint. He looked at the granite. To be cut, he thought, and made into walls. He looked at a tree. To be split and made into rafters. He looked at a streak of rust on the stone and thought of iron ore under the ground. To be melted and to emerge as girders against the sky. These rocks, he thought, are here for me; waiting for the drill, the dynamite and my voice; waiting to be split, ripped, pounded, reborn, waiting for the shape my hands will give to them. [The Fountainhead, pp 15-16]

Many regard this attitude as arrogant, and INTPs are likely, especially in their later years, after finding out that most others are faking an understanding of the laws of nature, to think of themselves as the prime movers who must pit themselves against nature and society in an endless struggle to define ends clearly and adopt whatever means that promise success. If this is arrogance, then at least it is not vanity, and without question it has driven the design engineers to take the lead in molding the structure of civilization.

Famous Architects: Albert Einstein, Adam Smith, Charles Darwin, Ludwig Boltzmann, Marie Curie

[HAMC]

En even semi off topic, ik ben al een tijd opzoek naar forums waar men specifiek over Jung praat. Ik vind er echter geen, wel psychologieforums in het algemeen waar dan wel uiterst weinig specifiek over psychologie gesproken wordt.

Ik ben meer bepaald op zoek naar informatie - als die al bestaat, over hoe men bijvoorbeeld als het extravert intuitief psychologisch type het annalytisch denkvermogen dat bij dit type in het onderbewustzijn zit meer kan differencieren. Dus hoe men in wezen een soort van hybride type intuitie/annalitisch denktype kan worden.

Dus als iemand enige ervaring/gedachten hierover heeft of WWWadressen voor websites terzake mag u me ze hier geven.

[HAMC]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door netslet

INTP. Geen verassing hier.

Wanneer ik me extravert voel, dan betekent dat dat ik naar de schoenen van m'n gesprekspartner staar in plaats van naar m'n eigen schoenen.

Neen, dat denk ik niet, u verwart misschien met het intraverte type?

[netslet]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door HAMC

Neen, dat denk ik niet, u verwart misschien met het intraverte type?

Dat was deel van de - niet per se geslaagde - grap. Lees het nog maar eens na.

[HAMC]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door netslet

Dat was deel van de - niet per se geslaagde - grap. Lees het nog maar eens na.

Oh sorry, dat had ik dan niet begrepen. Waarschijnlijk omdat ik enigzins gefrustreerd ben door mijn zoektocht naar Jung kennis.

[netslet]

@HAMC: http://kaleidoscope-forum.org/talk/

[HAMC]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door netslet

@HAMC: http://kaleidoscope-forum.org/talk/

Danke sheun!

U bent Jung fan?

[netslet]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door HAMC

Danke sheun!

U bent Jung fan?

Ik ben relatief oppervlakkig met Jung vertrouwd. En ik zit er niet mee in om mijn google-skills te gebruiken om een medemens te helpen.

[HAMC]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door netslet

Ik ben relatief oppervlakkig met Jung vertrouwd. En ik zit er niet mee in om mijn google-skills te gebruiken om een medemens te helpen.

U bent weldegelijk het extraverte type.

[netslet]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door HAMC

U bent weldegelijk het extraverte type.

Echt niet, daar ben ik toch wel van overtuigd. En mijn omgeving ook.

Dat tekstje over het INTP-profiel stelde ook: they tend to take up an informative role in their social exchanges.

[HAMC]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door netslet

Echt niet, daar ben ik toch wel van overtuigd. En mijn omgeving ook.

Dat tekstje over het INTP-profiel stelde ook: they tend to take up an informative role in their social exchanges.

Ok, het is nu eenmaal zo dat dit niet eenvoudig om vast te stellen is zeker voor mij niet omdat ik nu eenmaal door de extraverte bril naar u kijk. Evenwel geld dit ook voor u en uw omgeving.

Als ik moest gokken zou ik zeggen dat u een extraverte bent met intraverte neigingen.

[PollyCorrect]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door HAMC

You are:
slightly expressed introvert

moderately expressed intuitive personality

slightly expressed feeling personality

slightly expressed perceiving personality


Ik had er niet echt goede hoop op maar ik moet zeggen dat de test - voor mij dan, redelijk juist is daar ik van me zelf dacht/vreesde dat ik het extravert intuitieve type was zoals gedefinieerd ddor Jung.

En inderdaad, zoals we hiervoor al gzegd hadden, ondernemers, politiekers en dergelijke meer zijn oververtegenwoordigd in dit specifieke psychologische type.

ik heb precies hetzelfde profiel!