Het Nationalisme is dood. Leve het (neo) Tribalisme

E. Migrant · 8 oktober 2012, 11:46

Zitten er nog andere neo-Tribalisten op dit forum?

French sociologist Michel Maffesoli was perhaps the first to use the term neotribalism in a scholarly context.[1] Maffesoli predicted that as the culture and institutions of modernism declined, societies would embrace nostalgia and look to the organizational principles of the distant past for guidance, and that therefore the post-modern era would be the era of neotribalism.
Work by researchers such as American political scientist Robert D. Putnam and a 2006 study published in the American Sociological Review[2] seem to support at least the more moderate neotribalist arguments. Data has pointed to a general breakdown in the social structure of modern civilization due to more frequent moves for economic reasons, longer commutes and a lack of emphasis in the media narrative on the desirability of strong friendships and community bonds.

http://imaginouest.metawiki.com/reliremaffesoli
Le temps des tribus , Le déclin de l'individualisme dans les sociétés postmodernes

Part 6: The New Tribal Revolution
Quinn reminisces on his own tribe-like experience creating a local newspaper with three others, the East Mountain News. He expands upon the patterns and arrangements of successful tribes and gives further examples of what he considers tribal or tribe-like organizations. He also makes a distinction between communes and tribes. According to Quinn, a tribe primarily brings together individuals working or “making a living” together democratically; a commune primarily brings together individuals living together but often with a shared set of ideals and with each individual practicing their own personal way of making a living (i.e. working).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Civilization

E. Migrant · 9 oktober 2012, 19:53

Ze horen het hier allemaal precies in Keulen donderen. LOL

Aligator · 10 oktober 2012, 23:34

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door E. Migrant

Ze horen het hier allemaal precies in Keulen donderen. LOL

Vertaal dat allemaal eens in het Nederlands voor te beginnen.

E. Migrant · 11 oktober 2012, 22:46

Hier nog een goeie tekst over het hoe en waarom van Neo-Tribalisme:

Dave Pollard on the successfull Tribal Tradition in the past

Dave Pollard at http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2006/05/30.html#a1542
"In gatherer-hunter communities, there was lots of space for community members to get away from each other temporarily, and lots of space between communities. Evidence suggests that such communities or clans consisted of about 150 individuals (depending on the ecosystem) which operated via a 'fission/fusion' social system, where the group continually split up into smaller, constantly changing (likely to vary and optimize individual learning) 'foraging parties' or bands of 30-50, and then re-formed as a cohesive group. The theory is that 150 is the maximum number of individuals you can get to know well enough for meaningful social interaction, and beyond that the group starts to splinter into a more self-manageable size.
Tribes consisted in turn of several clans, and comprised 1000-2000 individuals. Bands were the optimal size for short-term collective action, clans for mutual knowledge and learning, and tribes for buffering (to optimize inter-tribal physical and cultural diversity and to minimize inter-tribal conflict, both Darwinian advantages). Interestingly, early villages and early professional armies were usually the same size as gatherer-hunter clans, and military platoons the same size as gatherer-hunter bands. The clan defined the boundaries of both collective intellectual (recognition and distinction) and physical (mutual grooming and love) behaviour.
Today we find ourselves born into societies that have no band, clan, or tribal cohesion. Instead, at the micro-level, we have substituted the nuclear family, much smaller than a band and too small to comprise a self-sufficient functional unit. And at the macro-level, we have substituted the state and corporation, hierarchical and multi-tiered constructs much larger than a tribe, and too large to function as an integral unit.
One could cynically surmise that the nuclear family was devised deliberately to be inadequate for self-sufficiency, so families were dependent on and non-threatening to the inherently dysfunctional corporation/state. One could also cynically surmise that the corporation/state is a purely cultural construct designed to organize, suppress and keep individuals from seeking more natural and effective forms of organization, by presenting them with a simple, monolithic pyramid scheme and promising them the moon and stars (fame, fortune, sex, salvation, happiness) if they dedicated their lives to climbing the pyramid.
It has been suggested, for example, that the Great Wall of China was built not to keep Mongol Hordes out, but rather to keep stooped and malnourished rice-paddy slave-families from fleeing back to the more natural life and tribal social organization of Mongolia. Once you mess with the natural band/clan/tribe cohesion, it seems, you need a brutal, hierarchical, inherently undemocratic political and economic machine to keep individuals divided and in line.
The history of our civilization has been largely one of pioneers fleeing the ghastly tyranny of the hierarchical corporation/state, slaughtering gatherer-hunter societies in the 'unincorporated' lands they fled to, and then, as their numbers grew, replicating the hierarchical corporation/state themselves, and then constantly warring with other corporation/states. Now we have run out of places to flee to, and, thanks to immigration laws, we do not even have a choice of which hierarchical corporation/state to 'belong' to. Our resultant anger, frustration and impotence is acted out with distressing frequency in both family violence and corporation/state violence." (http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2006/05/30.html#a1542)

http://p2pfoundation.net/Neo-Tribalism

E. Migrant · 11 oktober 2012, 23:06

Hier nog een goeie link :

http://www.ethicalpolitics.net/index.php/Neo-Tribalism

Maar het leukste is natuurlijk als je het zelf kan beleven. Dan is al de rest "pure shit".

Piero · 11 oktober 2012, 23:42

@E. Migrant

Mooi verhaal voor in het open haardvuur.

E. Migrant · 12 oktober 2012, 07:36

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Piero

@E. Migrant

Mooi verhaal voor in het open haardvuur.

Leuter maar op man, ik weet wel beter.

8 oktober 2012, 11:46	#1
E. Migrant Banneling Geregistreerd: 4 oktober 2011 Berichten: 1.745	Het Nationalisme is dood. Leve het (neo) Tribalisme Zitten er nog andere neo-Tribalisten op dit forum? French sociologist Michel Maffesoli was perhaps the first to use the term neotribalism in a scholarly context.[1] Maffesoli predicted that as the culture and institutions of modernism declined, societies would embrace nostalgia and look to the organizational principles of the distant past for guidance, and that therefore the post-modern era would be the era of neotribalism. Work by researchers such as American political scientist Robert D. Putnam and a 2006 study published in the American Sociological Review[2] seem to support at least the more moderate neotribalist arguments. Data has pointed to a general breakdown in the social structure of modern civilization due to more frequent moves for economic reasons, longer commutes and a lack of emphasis in the media narrative on the desirability of strong friendships and community bonds. http://imaginouest.metawiki.com/reliremaffesoli Le temps des tribus , Le déclin de l'individualisme dans les sociétés postmodernes Part 6: The New Tribal Revolution Quinn reminisces on his own tribe-like experience creating a local newspaper with three others, the East Mountain News. He expands upon the patterns and arrangements of successful tribes and gives further examples of what he considers tribal or tribe-like organizations. He also makes a distinction between communes and tribes. According to Quinn, a tribe primarily brings together individuals working or “making a living” together democratically; a commune primarily brings together individuals living together but often with a shared set of ideals and with each individual practicing their own personal way of making a living (i.e. working). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Civilization

9 oktober 2012, 19:53	#2
E. Migrant Banneling Geregistreerd: 4 oktober 2011 Berichten: 1.745	Ze horen het hier allemaal precies in Keulen donderen. LOL

11 oktober 2012, 22:46	#4
E. Migrant Banneling Geregistreerd: 4 oktober 2011 Berichten: 1.745	Hier nog een goeie tekst over het hoe en waarom van Neo-Tribalisme: Dave Pollard on the successfull Tribal Tradition in the past Dave Pollard at http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2006/05/30.html#a1542 "In gatherer-hunter communities, there was lots of space for community members to get away from each other temporarily, and lots of space between communities. Evidence suggests that such communities or clans consisted of about 150 individuals (depending on the ecosystem) which operated via a 'fission/fusion' social system, where the group continually split up into smaller, constantly changing (likely to vary and optimize individual learning) 'foraging parties' or bands of 30-50, and then re-formed as a cohesive group. The theory is that 150 is the maximum number of individuals you can get to know well enough for meaningful social interaction, and beyond that the group starts to splinter into a more self-manageable size. Tribes consisted in turn of several clans, and comprised 1000-2000 individuals. Bands were the optimal size for short-term collective action, clans for mutual knowledge and learning, and tribes for buffering (to optimize inter-tribal physical and cultural diversity and to minimize inter-tribal conflict, both Darwinian advantages). Interestingly, early villages and early professional armies were usually the same size as gatherer-hunter clans, and military platoons the same size as gatherer-hunter bands. The clan defined the boundaries of both collective intellectual (recognition and distinction) and physical (mutual grooming and love) behaviour. Today we find ourselves born into societies that have no band, clan, or tribal cohesion. Instead, at the micro-level, we have substituted the nuclear family, much smaller than a band and too small to comprise a self-sufficient functional unit. And at the macro-level, we have substituted the state and corporation, hierarchical and multi-tiered constructs much larger than a tribe, and too large to function as an integral unit. One could cynically surmise that the nuclear family was devised deliberately to be inadequate for self-sufficiency, so families were dependent on and non-threatening to the inherently dysfunctional corporation/state. One could also cynically surmise that the corporation/state is a purely cultural construct designed to organize, suppress and keep individuals from seeking more natural and effective forms of organization, by presenting them with a simple, monolithic pyramid scheme and promising them the moon and stars (fame, fortune, sex, salvation, happiness) if they dedicated their lives to climbing the pyramid. It has been suggested, for example, that the Great Wall of China was built not to keep Mongol Hordes out, but rather to keep stooped and malnourished rice-paddy slave-families from fleeing back to the more natural life and tribal social organization of Mongolia. Once you mess with the natural band/clan/tribe cohesion, it seems, you need a brutal, hierarchical, inherently undemocratic political and economic machine to keep individuals divided and in line. The history of our civilization has been largely one of pioneers fleeing the ghastly tyranny of the hierarchical corporation/state, slaughtering gatherer-hunter societies in the 'unincorporated' lands they fled to, and then, as their numbers grew, replicating the hierarchical corporation/state themselves, and then constantly warring with other corporation/states. Now we have run out of places to flee to, and, thanks to immigration laws, we do not even have a choice of which hierarchical corporation/state to 'belong' to. Our resultant anger, frustration and impotence is acted out with distressing frequency in both family violence and corporation/state violence." (http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2006/05/30.html#a1542) http://p2pfoundation.net/Neo-Tribalism

11 oktober 2012, 23:06	#5
E. Migrant Banneling Geregistreerd: 4 oktober 2011 Berichten: 1.745	Hier nog een goeie link : http://www.ethicalpolitics.net/index.php/Neo-Tribalism Maar het leukste is natuurlijk als je het zelf kan beleven. Dan is al de rest "pure shit".

11 oktober 2012, 23:42	#6
Piero Perm. Vertegenwoordiger VN Geregistreerd: 20 februari 2010 Locatie: Nederland Berichten: 16.109	@E. Migrant Mooi verhaal voor in het open haardvuur.