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Secretaris-Generaal VN
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![]() Het grootste expat forum in Belgie: http://www.xpats.com/home (afdeling Answers & Questions) geeft eindelijk op grove wijze uiting aan de haat naar Vlamingen toe. De leukste post heb ik vet gemaakt.
Voor al die gewaardeerde naieve linkse posters hier op het Forum die nog steeds denken/hopen /dromen dat expats het onderscheid maken tussen de (zelfbenoemde) "goede" en "slechte" Vlamingen. De Franstalige mythe dat de Vlaming een racist en facist is , is er iig goed ingeramd. Een bloemlezing: -yes better to not try to use the "french" you learned at school, the flemish are very racist against this language, for me I find them extreme anyway in their way to think.. -Does this answer to your question : more than 30% vote for extreme right in some part of flanders good luck !!! -then if there is no racism or "fascism" ..how will you call the flemish political party like NVA, Vlaams belang, and waht about the TAK and Voorpost... I don't call that open mind people, there are certainly "stupid" problem here, but these people are FOR ME extreme and it worries me to live in Belgium as I can see that for it's normal for Flanders -noboy likes Your " Flander", we are mostly here in belgium just because of the work and money, otherwise whey will we stay around these "monkeye agitating their yellow flag".. just one thing : Vlams belang 30 % NVA : how much 10 ?? then you take into consideration that fortunately some "non flemish" are living in flanders and vote, which hopefuly decrease the amount for the extreme right...otherwise... -Really, ignore it all, Its just the Flemish posturing about their ridiculous language. Its all talk believe me....just remember how they capitulated when the Germans decided to move into their country. Big talk and no balls. Watch the TV and you can see they love talking, debating the same old endless themes about Flanders separating from Wallonie. blah, blah, blah....pointless discussions they love it. And have you seen these politicans? all the same types, fat guys with funny teeth waving their flemish flags moaning about how much Wallonie is costing them....BORING. They are all Racists, Xenophobes and Facists. I gave up on Flandre when I heard about Vlaams Belang going to North Africa asking the governments there not to send any more immigrants...pffff....Nazi's the lot of em. They pretend it's all about language issues but there is something much nastier underneath. Now don't get me started on the Walloons. -well, the solution is already there... Global warming, no more Belgian cost so no more Flanders !!! maybe they can use their flag with the funny lion to stop the flooding..- -The flems come from holland, the hollanders invaded africa and made slaves of the black man... this carried on until the early 90's when finally apartheid died. They have a history of racism. They want purity, nothing will change their attitudes, its engraved into their genes. Those who say they arent racist are, they are just closet racists. I dont believe there should be war, I believe they should be sent back to Holland, the french back to france and Belgium wiped from the map. Everyone can pretend it was an experiment and be cheerful that it didnt work out but at least they tried. -my only problem..it's that i am french..from France and i have to deal with this stupid problem all the time, as the flemish don't make any difference, I guess they suppose that we also have to learn dutch in France ! well, tired to explain that i am french and not french-speaking from belgium... so now I speak english to them... it goes better, until they ask me where I am from...even with my accent they think I was from Uk..anyway...at the moment they know that my mother tongue is french they staight change... either don't talk to me or tell me they hate the french..well it's their problem... but my wife is english speaking and when they know that she learns french, strangely they did not talk to her !!! So I am agree that the french-speaking might not make any effort to learn language, but it is really becoming a extreme behaviour from the flemish -French, preferring English to French is not just a matter of political-historical frictions... it's just a language most Flems feel better at ease with (no wonder, these are kindred languages)... younger Flem generations are probably not even capable of having a decent conversation in French... it's like calling the Americans biggots for not being able to speak French at the town hall ![]() -I have no problem with people not speaking french, as i speak english to them...and even for a French I would like that we all speak english and it will make life easier ...but as we are not good in science, a lot of people will never be good in languages. just explain to me why they don't talk anymore to people whom the mother tongue is french or to the people that learn french.. I also would like to know how do you make a difference between a french from france and a french-speaking from belgium...because I can tell you that a lot of french are not aware about your planguage fight and they are really surprise (and I am nice..) when people yield at themm when they ask them soemthing in french !!! -How much longer are you going to keep on talking this rubbish? Really , you should be a politician and go on Belgian TV...blah, bla, blah for hours until your hearts content, about complete non-sense. whats going on in your head? You can speak French , but need to see the car 1st to see if they are real FRENCH (in which case you will be polite) or BELGIAN French in which case you will be the rudest Flemish in the whole of Flandre (which considering the competition would be quite an achievement). The more I get to know about people, the more I like my dog. -I must admit most Flems are stupid ignorant fachists who don't accept financial solidarity between all Belgian regions. Can't stand the rhetorics anymore.This country should unite again in name of human and economical values - I am french from France, better to make it clear here in belgium,and married with an english speaking and ..I am an arab, so in my own country in France I had to manage with racism sometimes, even I still believe that France is open mind (even we have a stupid governement sometimes..).. anyway, I come to belgium and now I have too put with the fact that there is a "racism or fascism", whatever you want to call that, between the flemish and french... then, I am working in flanders,there are first people whom don't talk to me as I am a foreigner, other because I am an arab, and then there are still some whom don't judge me on my face...But don't talk to me as soon as they know that I am " french speaking" !! so at the end, no big talk with people in flanders... even the people who I though are open mind, working for charity, going to help in africa... as soon as they here french they don't want to talk to me.. I also tried to speak flemish, but they still don't like us... -The Flems dont wanna continue to support the poor Wallonians. We gradually loose the Christian and humanistic solidarity values of this country and it makes me sad -The fact is that the most of Flemich are rascist and fascist.It's in their genes.But they won't it never show you,they are going to greet you and to make you feel that you are welcoming. Even if you speak their language,I should rather say their dialects, you won't never been accepted, you'll be just tolerate. I don't understand why they hate so much french speakers..it might be a frustation or because most of them are immigrants of foreginers.Why do they think they're the only one in the country who contriubte financially? It seems being that all walloons gets an unemployement or are poor. If one day Belgium should separate walloons will go with France, Im just wondering with which country flemish will go? They also hate Dutch people. They criticise the ability of French speakers to learn Dutch..But they speak Flemish dialects and not Futch. How many of them speak real Dutch? not too much. Since several years, french people make more effort to learn Dutch meanwhile Femish are not anymore even able to handle a good conversation in French or to speak it. -Just face it, the Flemish hate everything that isn't Flemish. Its true they hate the Wallons but they also hate the French (as in people from France) , the Dutch (incredible as it seems) and anyone with a skin colour darker than cream. Its a nasty little part of belgium , with nasty little people in it and this will never change as this hatred is passed onto the children. Incredibly, I work in Wallonie and there are many Flemish working here also , some of them are really intelligent and are a bit embarrassed with some of the stuff that comes out of Flandre. However, some of them also support Belgium separation?? Yet, they will still continue to work in Wallonie quite nicely thank you. When you talk to these guys you see that conversation is useless , they have been brainwashed by their parents/peers who in turn went through the same with their parents/peers. I am sure that the Serbs & Bosnians have the same mentality. Its really quite sad and spoils which is otherwise a great country to live in. How the EU parliament is located in Belgium is beyond me. -the royal familly speaks dutch but the flemish don't like them because they are french speaking.. they like any body at the moment their mother tongue is not french.. I can tell you that i know a lot of french whom tried to make an effort but every time people were ..lets' say "nasty" ..with them because they were french speaking...so tell me ..at one point all the human being will be fed up making any effort... being american you certainly don't see all of that..only what the flemish tells you.. I live in brussels, being spanish it's easy for me to speak french..and peopel refuse to speak to me in flanders knowing that i learned french...is it this kind of people with whom you are friend with ?? also, you might notice the one whom don't speak dutch..then how do you notice the one whom speaks fluent dutch ?? -When i lived in Holland, they described the Flemish as being particularly stupid. Having lived here for years now, cannot say i disagree. -as far as I know... FDF has never bring any law against the flemish !! they are maybe stupid but they just try to go against the flemish government with their stupid laws... whatever you think it's right or not..if we let flanders going like this, they will ask soon the frenchspeaking to wear sign to recognize them like in.. you know what i am talking about.. in germany also they use to not see why it was aproblem to dicriminate jewish.. yes it's quiet different and i maybe exagerate..but just look at how stupid are these actions no right to speak french in cities where there are 80% of french speaking in flemish shool, they have ask the teachers to not speak french to the parents of the children, before there was no problem at all as a lot of french speaking who were not good in dutch wanted their children to learn better than they did.. they ask the children in the shool and in all the sport center no speak only in flemish..go in a sport center and you will see big sign on the wall saying " here we play, we have fun, all in Flemish" !!! law ask to refuse to answer in french even you speak it in all the city hall in flanders people have to notify the coity hall if they see any signs in some shops in french if you try to buy a house in overijse, they ask you if you are not french-speaking as most of the flemish refuse to seel to them do you want more examples... -What I find really funny is the way some (not all) flemish people try and disguise their racist behaviour by blaming it on history and costs of unemployed Walloons. So in the UK , the South is much richer than the North of England. I have never heard people in the UK south demanding separation from the North just because it costs them more in Taxes. At the end of the day its the same COUNTRY...ENGLAND...so everyone has to pay taxes and if there are poorer regions then they are funded by these taxes. Basic Humanity. Of course in the UK they all speak the same language so there is no racism on that front. If you are all Belgians you have to expect that your taxes will go towards the less fortunate and not expect all Flemish taxes will only go towards the Flemish unemployed. Also a note of warning to my lovely Flemish Colleagues...I read that the wealth gap between the North and South of the UK is becoming much smaller....who is to say that in 10/20 years time that the North of the UK will be paying for the poorer South.? Een uitzondering: -John Your 'bonjour' in Flanders is, to you, totally innocent - though perhaps thoughtless. To the Flemish person to whom you directed it, it is, 'I'm from the French-speaking minority. I expect you to speak French to me and I can't even be bothered to learn to say 'hello' in Dutch.' I've lived many years in Flanders but, when I'm in Wallonia, I greet people in French just as, when I'm in UK, I use English. And, if you think that the 'flemish are really close mind', go to Charleroi and see how open-minded they are there if you address them in Dutch. It gets right up my nose to read the regular tirades on this site from people who criticise the Flemish whilst ignoring the fact that the Walloons behave in exactly the same way. Laatst gewijzigd door Eberhard Leclerc : 29 mei 2009 om 12:35. |
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Secretaris-Generaal VN
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![]() Je zou je op de duur werkelijk gaan afvragen waarom al die luitjes eigenlijk in de eerste plaats nog naar hier willen komen, als het hier dan toch zo verdorven en slecht is?
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![]() Achja, allemaal Fransen of mensen die bij de EU-werken en die alleen maar Waalse geluiden horen. Zo kan ik het ook.
En zij moeten zwijgen. Zij kennen hier de gevoeligheden en geschiedenis van dit land niet. |
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![]() JA akkoord, maar wat ik me altijd afvraag is waarom het net de franstalign zijn die goveel gehoor krijgen en begrip?
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![]() Omdat de Vlamingen niet om de 2 minuten bij meester Europa staan te blijten.
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Het feit dat de franstaligen zich met genoegen in de slachtoffer-modderpoel wentelen ( we worden gediscrimineerd door fascisten ) , is ook niet vreemd aan die sympatie en dat medeleven. Laatst gewijzigd door beste vriend : 29 mei 2009 om 13:49. |
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![]() Gisteren een bumperklevende trut op haar plaats gezet. Het enige wat eruit kwam was "sale flamand"...
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Het volk begrijpen plaveit de weg naar leiderschap begrijpen (oude stelregel van het geslacht Atreides) Disce Quasi Semper Victurus, Vive Quasi Cras Moriturus I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’ Support the country you live in or live in the country you support. |
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![]() Ik ben een Nederlander, en mijn liefde voor Vlaanderen is in de loop der jaren ook danig bekoeld. En dit niet door vooroordelen, maar door praktijkervaring. Mijn vooroordelen waren aanvankelijk positief, en zelfs nu wil ik nog steeds graag van Vlaanderen houden. Maar door mijn bittere ervaringen met de Vlamingen is dat niet langer mogelijk. Door de gore hollanderhaat van veel Vlamingen is elke sympathie die ik had verdwenen.
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![]() De Albanese Kosovaren vaagden ook hun voeten aan de Servische grondwet en toen de Serviërs (over)reageerden waren ze ook de jos in de internationale gemeenschap. Gelijk hebben (voor zover dit al het geval is) en gelijk krijgen zijn verschillende zaken.
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inderdaad, omdat elk ander volk in dezelfde positie zich niet zo met zich laten rondrijden. Vandaar krijg je dat dus ècht niet uitgelegd in het buitenland! |
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De waarheid is niet meer dan de leugen die de mensen van je verwachten.’ (Gerrit Komrij) Laatst gewijzigd door globalmedia : 29 mei 2009 om 14:21. |
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Gouverneur
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![]() Spinoza, ik ben toevallig een halve Nederlandse. Ik heb een deel van mijn leven in Nederland gewoond en ik kan je verzekeren dat er een enorm gore Vlamingenhaat of Belgenhaat leeft in Noord-Brabant (waar ik gewoond heb en nog steeds familie heb wonen). De haat komt echt van 2 kanten hoor ! Je wilt echt niet weten hoe zwaar ik gepest ben geweest, en hoe ergerlijk en racistisch heel wat opmerkingen van vrienden en buren van mijn familieleden overkomen als ik eens op bezoek ben.
Dat de expats zo negatief over Vlamingen doen is louter te wijten aan een steeds opnieuw aangescherpt vooroordeel dat je in de "vreemde" pers kunt terugvinden. Met deze pers bedoel ik de journalisten die in Brussel gevestigd zijn en voor buitenlandse media werken. Zij lepelen de Vlamingen-haat van onze eigen journalisten maar al te graag op ! En het argument dat Vlaanderen fascistisch zou zijn... 1 woord... REX. Helaas kennen de expats en buitenlandse correspondenten de Belgische geschiedenis niet, en zullen zij bij het uiten van dat woord nietsbegrijpend de schouders ophalen. ![]()
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![]() Tja die reacties zijn overdreven, het gaat om perceptie meer niet. En de laatste reactie is even juist of fout als alle andere uit dit artikel.
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![]() Tja, de Vlamingen doen dan ook nooit moeite om hun zaak (zaken) aan iemand uit te leggen. Proberen hun nationalisme evenmin te onderbouwen. Probeer als anderstalige maar eens degelijke informatie vast te krijgen daarover.
De slogans zijn nog altijd die van twintig jaar geleden. Kijk naar de aanpak van andere volkeren: die maken keer op keer analyses van "de nieuwe situatie" en passen hun discours aan. Verfijnen die ook en gaan op zoek naar theoretische onderbouwing van hun standpunten. Als Vlaams-nationalist moet je kunnen uitleggen waarvoor jouw nationalisme staat. Tegelijkertijd kan je er niet naast, zoals Spinoza aangeeft, dat heel wat Vlamingen heel snel naar een scheldwoordenboek grijpen wanneer ze te maken krijgen met iemand met andere eigenschappen zoals taal, huidskleur, cultuur... Vorige week zei ik nog tegen een buitenlandse gesprekspartner dat "Vlaanderen een mentale revolutie" nodig heeft.
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I have a total irreverence for anything connected with society except that which makes the roads safer, the beer stronger, the food cheaper and the old men and old women warmer in the winter and happier in the summer. Laatst gewijzigd door Txiki : 29 mei 2009 om 14:35. |
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![]() Met als risico uiteraard dat die "arme" Franstaligen internationaal symphatie zullen winnen omdat ze "onderdrukt" worden door die "rijke" Vlamingen. Globaal genomen zijn seperatisten en seperatistische regio's meestal de snoodaards in de internationale gemeenschap tenzij ze arm zijn en onderdrukt worden (wat in het geval van Vlaanderen behalve sommige in Vlaanderen niemand gelooft.) Rechtse economen (en hun woordvoerders in de pers) en nationalisten zullen Vlaanderen wellicht (ook al passen ze hun logica niet toe op hun eigen thuissituatie) wel steunen maar volgens mij zal Vlaanderen in een communautair conflict met de Franstaligen altijd de boeman zijn.
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![]() Spijker op de kop maar vindt u dit correct?
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Het volk begrijpen plaveit de weg naar leiderschap begrijpen (oude stelregel van het geslacht Atreides) Disce Quasi Semper Victurus, Vive Quasi Cras Moriturus I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’ Support the country you live in or live in the country you support. |
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