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![]() By Kent Olsen, correspondent to Jyllands-Posten
A broad alliance of grass-roots movements have gone to the prosecutors of several states to hinder the dissemination of the Quran. According to the indictment, the Quran is not just a religious and historic book, but also a political book, which is incompatible with the constiution. Berlin At the prosecutor’s office at Gorch-Forck-Wall 15 in Hamburg, an unusual letter was received Monday morning, containing an indictment filed this weekend. The indictment targeted the Quran, charging that the holy book of the Moslems, according to the accuser, is incompatible with the German constitution. “Support Denmark!” The accuser is “Bundesverband der Bürgerbewegungen (BVB)”, which concerns itself with, in its own words, “defending basic rights and freedoms” against Islam. The extensive international furore, allegedly caused by the Muhammed cartoons, has made clear the relevancy of the alliance. Its homepage is decorated with a Danish flag with the words “Support Denmark! Defend the Free World” superimposed on it. The indictment has been filed in several states, including Hamburg, Niedersachsen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Bayern and probably more. In several talkshows on German TV, conservative politicians have pointed out that the Quran is incompatible with the German constitution. The Turkish-born writer Serap Cileli said on January 29 this year that “the Quran must be considered a historic document. It is not compatible with our constitution and Human Rights.” Now the alliance wants the matter tried at the courts. Potent political book The author of the indictment in Hamburg, Jutta Starke, says that the Quran was reported to the police two or three years ago, but that the report was dismissed on the grounds that it was a book of only historical interest. “The events of the last months have made clear that the Quran isn’t just a historical book, but very much a potent political book, a thing which we document extensively in the indictment,” Jutta Starke says. She says it is a task of sisyphean dimensions to inform the media, politicians and churches of the true intentions of Islam in the enlightened world of the West. “We are grateful to Jyllands-Posten that discussions about Islam have now become possible,” says Jutta Starke. “You suffer for all of Europe and that’s why we find it indecent that Europe hasn’t loudly, in unison, taken a stand for Freedom of Speech against the laws of the Quran.” The indictment consists of five pieces of paper and a number of appendices. The indictment says that it is not against Islam’s spiritual message, but against the judicial and political message. The decisive count of the indictment “is in the Quran’s status vis a vis the Federal Republic of Germany’s constitution”. In the appendices to the indictment, 200 points have been listed “where the Quran is against and claims itself above the constitution.” The Quran has an answer to everything It is pointed out that the Quran to Moslems is the end all, be all in matters of faith, in matters of society and state and in the discourse with people of different views. The Quran says that it is the words of Allah. According to the views of several, including leading, Moslems in Germany, it is literally and absolutely true at all time and in all places, the indictment says. The newly elected German-born chairman of the Moslem Central Council of German, Ayyub Axel Köhler, is quoted in the indictment: “A constitution after the principle of the division of powers into the legislative, the executive and the judicial powers, is nowhere to be found in the Islamic theory of the State. From an Islamic viewpoint, this is obvious, since the laws – the laws of God – in the form of sharia, are already made and thus no legislative power is needed, in that sense of the word. Only Allah is the legislative power.” Muslim Chancellor A prominent Moslem, Ibrahim El-Zayat, is quoted as saying that he thinks it is possible that “the Federal Chancellor in 2020 is a Moslem, born and raised in Germany, that the Federal Supreme Court has a Moslem judge, and that a Moslem representative will be on the Federal Radio/TV Council to secure the Moslem citizens’ constitutionally guaranteed rights.” “This land is our land and it is our duty to make positive changes. With the help of Allah, we will make it a paradise on Earth, by making available the Islamic ummah (ED: Islamic community) and all of mankind. Allah doesn’t change the situation of a people till the people have changed the situtation,” El-Zayad is quoted as saying. Violence against the infidels The indictment is against the 200 verses of 114 suras (chapters) of the Quran that are not compatible with the constitution, including demagoguery, incitement to murder, murder and mutilation, war, acceptance of thievery against infidels, meaning all non-Moslems. Verses are also pointed out where the equal rights of men and women are not upheld and where people of different faiths are oppressed. Example: “The unbelievers among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians): They are the vilest of all creatures.” (Sura 98:6) According to the indictment that paragraph violates Article 4 of the Constitution and Paragraph 166 of the Penal Code. |
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Eur. Commissievoorzitter
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![]() Hoe meer je tegen iets vecht, hoe meer je er op gaat lijken.
Als we beginnen met boeken te verbieden, zakken we dan niet af richting Taliban? Laatst gewijzigd door Flippend Rund : 1 april 2006 om 08:52. |
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Secretaris-Generaal VN
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![]() MeinKampf is toch ook verboden?
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Banneling
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Banneling
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De koran is het gevaarlijkste hersenvirus dat ooit bedacht werd. Een goede evolutie deze aanklacht. Dit moeten we op de voet opvolgen. Laatst gewijzigd door Darwin : 1 april 2006 om 10:12. |
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Het CGKR moet zo rap mogelijk worden opgedoekt, daarin sta ik geheel aan uw kant. |
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#7 |
Eur. Commissievoorzitter
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![]() Jij mag boeken verbranden, want je hebt een goede reden? De Taliban is er net zo goed van overtuigd dat ze een goede reden hebben.
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Hun 'goede reden' is het verplicht nakwekken van de hallucinaties van een analfabeet in ruil voor 72 maagden. |
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![]() Nee, de tragedie die zich onspint in Irak is het gevolg van het hersenloos nakwekken van religieuze onzin door Sjiieten en Soennieten. De ene groep wil al wat meer naar de achterlijkheid dan de andere, en conform de basics van de leerstellingen van hun moordprofeet mag daar gerust een burgeroorlog voor gevoerd worden. Religieuze zotten tegen religieuze zotten.
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![]() Koran wordt aangeklaagd
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Je gaat weeral offtopic. De koran wordt aangeklaagd voor opruiende haattaal, het aanzetten van geweld tegenover andersdenkenden en haar incompatibilliteit met democratische grondbeginselen, en hup de geflipte staat onmiddellijk paraat om het islamofascistisch denken te verdedigen. Rare hersenkronkels hebben die multiculadepten. Een vb-ber verbrandt een papieren vlagske en ze worden uitzinning van woede tot hysterisch toe, maar moord, onderdrukking, sexisme in de naam van een moordboekje vinden ze dan weer heerlijk. ![]() |
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The method of science is tried and true. It is not perfect, it's just the best we have. And to abandon it, with its skeptical protocols is the pathway to a dark age. -- Carl Sagan |
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![]() Wat bereik je eigenlijk als je de Koran verbiedt? Weinig waarschijnlijk.
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Banneling
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Dat het debat hierover wordt gelanceerd : The indictment is against the 200 verses of 114 suras (chapters) of the Quran that are not compatible with the constitution, including demagoguery, incitement to murder, murder and mutilation, war, acceptance of thievery against infidels, meaning all non-Moslems. Verses are also pointed out where the equal rights of men and women are not upheld and where people of different faiths are oppressed. Opmerkelijk dat de boe-roepers over bij voorbeeld het 70-puntenplan van het VB als eerste in de rij staan om het op te nemen voor "incitement to murder, murder and mutilation, war, acceptance of thievery against infidels, meaning all non-Moslems. Verses are also pointed out where the equal rights of men and women are not upheld and where people of different faiths are oppressed". |
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