Re: Dutch language in Belgium.

24 januari 2007, 22:52

"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
> Hello.
>
> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native Belgian).
>
> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal.
> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium?
>
> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but
> "Belgium"
> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study
> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one.
>
> A. M.

As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German and
Dutch.
You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will
serve you better in many countries around the world.
For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an
interesting source.

As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means
that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each other:
their television series are subtitled !
So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, even
smaller than you would think.

24 januari 2007, 23:12

Dixit wrote:

[knip]

>>
>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but
>> "Belgium"
>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study
>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one.
>>
>> A. M.
>
> As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German
> and Dutch.
> You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will
> serve you better in many countries around the world.
> For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an
> interesting source.
>
> As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means
> that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each
> other: their television series are subtitled !
> So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small,
> even smaller than you would think.

En nu de fonetische versie:
Azioe maaite noowe, tie officialle langoeages ...

25 januari 2007, 01:32

"Dixit" <[email protected]> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> news:[email protected]...
> As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German and
> Dutch.
Yes. True.
> You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will
No. Never. I hate French too much. Even though I intend to live in Ath (Aat)!
> serve you better in many countries around the world.
I don't need world - I need only the Netherlands and Germany.
> For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an
> interesting source.
OK, I think that once I used to seen it.
>
> As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means
> that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each other:
> their television series are subtitled !
> So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, even
> smaller than you would think.
Yes - that's only Belgium - nothing more.
So Flemish can be called "Belgian" language since it's not used outside Beglium.
>
Possible for the first time English may be OK? Since you all seems to speak
English in Belgium because instead of learning language of the other 1/2 of
Belgium you prefer to study English (or e. g. Esperanto) - to understand ALL
world, - true?
>
Or probably lerne Deutsch? Warum nicht?

P. S. I also thought that have made an error by posting in be.politics but
soc.culture.belgium appeared to be... frankophone one! :(

25 januari 2007, 10:42

If you intend living in Ath, that's in french speaking region, so
either you learn french or go in the Flamish region...
Zoot

On 25 jan, 00:40, "Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Dixit" <[email protected]> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:news:hyQth.308015$Er5.6106148@p hobos.telenet-ops.be...
>
> > "Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> >news:[email protected]...
> > As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, Germanand
> > Dutch.
> Yes. True.
> > You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that willNo. Never. I hate French too much. Even though I intend to live in Ath (Aat)!> serve you better in many countries around the world.I don't need world - I need only the Netherlands and Germany.> For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an
> > interesting source.OK, I think that once I used to seen it.
>
> > As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means
> > that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each other:
> > their television series are subtitled !
> > So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small,even
> > smaller than you would think.Yes - that's only Belgium - nothing more.
> So Flemish can be called "Belgian" language since it's not used outside Beglium.Possible for the first time English may be OK? Since you all seems to speak
> English in Belgium because instead of learning language of the other 1/2 of
> Belgium you prefer to study English (or e. g. Esperanto) - to understand ALL
> world, - true?Or probably lerne Deutsch? Warum nicht?
>
> P. S. I also thought that have made an error by posting in be.politics but
> soc.culture.belgium appeared to be... frankophone one! :(

25 januari 2007, 20:32

>> You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will
>No. Never. I hate French too much. Even though I intend to live in Ath (Aat)!

Sukkel u bent geen buitenlander, gewoon een troll.
-- :: --

26 januari 2007, 10:42

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German and
>Dutch.
>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will

what a lof of bullshit
poster has indicated he will live in Flanders and therefore he should
learn a language that is spoken in flanders and not in the other
part of the country.
French is no longer the language to learn. Napoleons's time is
history..the internet is english :-)

>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means
>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each other:
>their television series are subtitled !

again a lof of bullshit :-)

>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, even
>smaller than you would think.

You should also tell op that the economic heart of belgium is in
flanders where 6 milion people speak flemish(the majority of
belgium) - Dutch:-)

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26 januari 2007, 11:12

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>news:[email protected]...
>> Hello.
>>
>> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native Belgian).
>>
>> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal.
>> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium?
>>
>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but
>> "Belgium"
>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study
>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one.
>>
>> A. M.
>
>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German and
>Dutch.
>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will
>serve you better in many countries around the world.
>For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an
>interesting source.
>
If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use
would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is
also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a
Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French.
The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish
people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real
problem.
For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's
better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french
speaking people in Belgium.

>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means
>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each other:
>their television series are subtitled !
>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, even
>smaller than you would think.
>

26 januari 2007, 16:42

"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news: [email protected]...
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native
>>> Belgian).
>>>
>>> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal.
>>> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium?
>>>
>>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but
>>> "Belgium"
>>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study
>>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one.
>>>
>>> A. M.
>>
>>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German
>>and
>>Dutch.
>>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will
>>serve you better in many countries around the world.
>>For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an
>>interesting source.
>>
> If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use
> would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is
> also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a
> Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French.
> The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish
> people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real
> problem.
> For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's
> better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french
> speaking people in Belgium.
>
>>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means
>>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each
>>other:
>>their television series are subtitled !
>>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small,
>>even
>>smaller than you would think.
>>
I don't think "wasdana" could be understood by non flemish speakers! So I
agree Flemish is a dialect, not a language. so it isn't possible to learn
dutch in Flanders, as 99% of the flemish can't speak dutch

Michel.

26 januari 2007, 17:02

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:37:17 +0100, "Hemingway" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
>news: [email protected]...
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> Hello.
>>>>
>>>> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native
>>>> Belgian).
>>>>
>>>> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal.
>>>> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but
>>>> "Belgium"
>>>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study
>>>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one.
>>>>
>>>> A. M.
>>>
>>>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German
>>>and
>>>Dutch.
>>>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will
>>>serve you better in many countries around the world.
>>>For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an
>>>interesting source.
>>>
>> If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use
>> would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is
>> also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a
>> Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French.
>> The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish
>> people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real
>> problem.
>> For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's
>> better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french
>> speaking people in Belgium.
>>
>>>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means
>>>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each
>>>other:
>>>their television series are subtitled !
>>>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small,
>>>even
>>>smaller than you would think.
>>>
>I don't think "wasdana" could be understood by non flemish speakers! So I
>agree Flemish is a dialect, not a language. so it isn't possible to learn
>dutch in Flanders, as 99% of the flemish can't speak dutch
>
>Michel.
>
>
>
Septante is french?

26 januari 2007, 18:02

"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news: [email protected]...
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:37:17 +0100, "Hemingway" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
>>news: [email protected]...
>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native
>>>>> Belgian).
>>>>>
>>>>> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal.
>>>>> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but
>>>>> "Belgium"
>>>>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study
>>>>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one.
>>>>>
>>>>> A. M.
>>>>
>>>>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German
>>>>and
>>>>Dutch.
>>>>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that
>>>>will
>>>>serve you better in many countries around the world.
>>>>For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an
>>>>interesting source.
>>>>
>>> If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use
>>> would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is
>>> also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a
>>> Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French.
>>> The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish
>>> people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real
>>> problem.
>>> For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's
>>> better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french
>>> speaking people in Belgium.
>>>
>>>>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means
>>>>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each
>>>>other:
>>>>their television series are subtitled !
>>>>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small,
>>>>even
>>>>smaller than you would think.
>>>>
>>I don't think "wasdana" could be understood by non flemish speakers! So I
>>agree Flemish is a dialect, not a language. so it isn't possible to learn
>>dutch in Flanders, as 99% of the flemish can't speak dutch
>>
>>Michel.
>>
>>
>>
> Septante is french?

But french understand nonante.

26 januari 2007, 18:12

"Hemingway" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
>
> "Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
> news: [email protected]...
>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:37:17 +0100, "Hemingway" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
>>>news: [email protected]...
>>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native
>>>>>> Belgian).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal.
>>>>>> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but
>>>>>> "Belgium"
>>>>>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to
>>>>>> study
>>>>>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A. M.
>>>>>
>>>>>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German
>>>>>and
>>>>>Dutch.
>>>>>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that
>>>>>will
>>>>>serve you better in many countries around the world.
>>>>>For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an
>>>>>interesting source.
>>>>>
>>>> If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use
>>>> would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is
>>>> also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a
>>>> Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French.
>>>> The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish
>>>> people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real
>>>> problem.
>>>> For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's
>>>> better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french
>>>> speaking people in Belgium.
>>>>
>>>>>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which
>>>>>means
>>>>>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each
>>>>>other:
>>>>>their television series are subtitled !
>>>>>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small,
>>>>>even
>>>>>smaller than you would think.
>>>>>
>>>I don't think "wasdana" could be understood by non flemish speakers! So I
>>>agree Flemish is a dialect, not a language. so it isn't possible to learn
>>>dutch in Flanders, as 99% of the flemish can't speak dutch
>>>
>>>Michel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Septante is french?
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> But french understand nonante.
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And any foreigner would understand:

tis en rututus, en ost rent, rent rin

Osteends

Michel

26 januari 2007, 18:22

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:02:47 +0100, "Hemingway" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
>news: [email protected]...
>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:37:17 +0100, "Hemingway" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
>>>news: [email protected]...
>>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native
>>>>>> Belgian).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal.
>>>>>> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but
>>>>>> "Belgium"
>>>>>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study
>>>>>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A. M.
>>>>>
>>>>>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German
>>>>>and
>>>>>Dutch.
>>>>>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that
>>>>>will
>>>>>serve you better in many countries around the world.
>>>>>For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an
>>>>>interesting source.
>>>>>
>>>> If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use
>>>> would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is
>>>> also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a
>>>> Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French.
>>>> The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish
>>>> people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real
>>>> problem.
>>>> For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's
>>>> better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french
>>>> speaking people in Belgium.
>>>>
>>>>>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means
>>>>>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each
>>>>>other:
>>>>>their television series are subtitled !
>>>>>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small,
>>>>>even
>>>>>smaller than you would think.
>>>>>
>>>I don't think "wasdana" could be understood by non flemish speakers! So I
>>>agree Flemish is a dialect, not a language. so it isn't possible to learn
>>>dutch in Flanders, as 99% of the flemish can't speak dutch
>>>
>>>Michel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Septante is french?
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>But french understand nonante.
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Yes and be looked at like something from outer space.

27 januari 2007, 09:52

Bonjour ou bonsoir Curieuzeneus <[email protected]>,

Le Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:09:52 +0100 dernier, confondant clavier et
VACMA, tu écrivais 44 lignes �* propos de Re: Dutch language in
Belgium. :

>By the way the french spoken in Belgium is
>also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a
>Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French.

I think you better start to learn french; just to know what language
is really spoken in Wallonia !

The french-magyar Belgian !

(ik kan het ook in het nederlands als het moet; maar het zal
natuurlijk in het ABN zijn, niet in je dialekt !)

Doei !

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27 januari 2007, 10:32

"-={ P L M }=-" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
> Bonjour ou bonsoir Curieuzeneus <[email protected]>,
>
> Le Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:21:45 +0100 dernier, confondant clavier et
> VACMA, tu écrivais 87 lignes �* propos de Re: Dutch language in
> Belgium. :
>
>>>But french understand nonante.
>>>
>>Yes and be looked at like something from outer space.
>
> Just like as when you speek dutch (or vlaams) in the middle of France

Just like as when you speek french in the middle of China.

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http://www.snowleopard.org/

27 januari 2007, 10:32

Bonjour ou bonsoir Curieuzeneus <[email protected]>,

Le Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:21:45 +0100 dernier, confondant clavier et
VACMA, tu écrivais 87 lignes �* propos de Re: Dutch language in
Belgium. :

>>But french understand nonante.
>>
>Yes and be looked at like something from outer space.

Just like as when you speek dutch (or vlaams) in the middle of France
!

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27 januari 2007, 10:32

Bonjour ou bonsoir Curieuzeneus <[email protected]>,

Le Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:55:14 +0100 dernier, confondant clavier et
VACMA, tu écrivais 63 lignes �* propos de Re: Dutch language in
Belgium. :

>Septante is french?

Yes, it is, definitively !

And even "nonante" !
Take any french dictionnary, and look at it !

If you are not a "Taal-iban", and can understand a bit of french, have
a look at here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/70_%28nombre%29

Septante and nonante are used in south Belgium, but also in Luxemburg,
in some part of eastern France, in some part of the former Duchy of
Savoie, in Switzerland, in Congo, in Rwanda...

I told you, you better learn french before talking about it !

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27 januari 2007, 10:52

Vitae forma vocatur "Hemingway" <[email protected]>, die Fri, 26 Jan
2007 18:14:26 +0100, in littera
<[email protected]> in foro be.politics(et
aliis) vere scripsit quod sequitur:

>
>"Hemingway" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
>[email protected]...
>>
>> "Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
>> news: [email protected]...
>>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:37:17 +0100, "Hemingway" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
>>>>news: [email protected]...
>>>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native
>>>>>>> Belgian).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal.
>>>>>>> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but
>>>>>>> "Belgium"
>>>>>>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to
>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A. M.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>Dutch.
>>>>>>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that
>>>>>>will
>>>>>>serve you better in many countries around the world.
>>>>>>For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an
>>>>>>interesting source.
>>>>>>
>>>>> If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use
>>>>> would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is
>>>>> also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a
>>>>> Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French.
>>>>> The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish
>>>>> people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real
>>>>> problem.
>>>>> For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's
>>>>> better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french
>>>>> speaking people in Belgium.
>>>>>
>>>>>>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which
>>>>>>means
>>>>>>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each
>>>>>>other:
>>>>>>their television series are subtitled !
>>>>>>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small,
>>>>>>even
>>>>>>smaller than you would think.
>>>>>>
>>>>I don't think "wasdana" could be understood by non flemish speakers! So I
>>>>agree Flemish is a dialect, not a language. so it isn't possible to learn
>>>>dutch in Flanders, as 99% of the flemish can't speak dutch
>>>>
>>>>Michel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Septante is french?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> But french understand nonante.
>>
>And any foreigner would understand:
>
>tis en rututus, en ost rent, rent rin
>
>Osteends
>
>Michel
>

Hie kent nietend van 't Oostèènds, hie!

Vanuut Oostèènde,

Den Fustihateure
aka
--
Fusti

27 januari 2007, 10:52

Vitae forma vocatur Curieuzeneus <[email protected]>, die
Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:55:14 +0100, in littera
<[email protected]> in foro be.politics(et
aliis) vere scripsit quod sequitur:

>On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:37:17 +0100, "Hemingway" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
>>news: [email protected]...
>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native
>>>>> Belgian).
>>>>>
>>>>> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal.
>>>>> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but
>>>>> "Belgium"
>>>>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study
>>>>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one.
>>>>>
>>>>> A. M.
>>>>
>>>>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German
>>>>and
>>>>Dutch.
>>>>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will
>>>>serve you better in many countries around the world.
>>>>For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an
>>>>interesting source.
>>>>
>>> If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use
>>> would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is
>>> also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a
>>> Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French.
>>> The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish
>>> people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real
>>> problem.
>>> For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's
>>> better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french
>>> speaking people in Belgium.
>>>
>>>>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means
>>>>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each
>>>>other:
>>>>their television series are subtitled !
>>>>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small,
>>>>even
>>>>smaller than you would think.
>>>>
>>I don't think "wasdana" could be understood by non flemish speakers! So I
>>agree Flemish is a dialect, not a language. so it isn't possible to learn
>>dutch in Flanders, as 99% of the flemish can't speak dutch
>>
>>Michel.
>>
>>
>>
>Septante is french?

Yesss sssirrrr... but no longer used in France since 1789.
--
Fusti

27 januari 2007, 11:22

On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:25:14 +0100, -={ P L M }=-
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Bonjour ou bonsoir Curieuzeneus <[email protected]>,
>
>Le Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:21:45 +0100 dernier, confondant clavier et
>VACMA, tu écrivais 87 lignes �* propos de Re: Dutch language in
>Belgium. :
>
>>>But french understand nonante.
>>>
>>Yes and be looked at like something from outer space.
>
>Just like as when you speek dutch (or vlaams) in the middle of France
>!
Then you deserve to be looked at like something from outer space.

27 januari 2007, 11:32

On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:23:55 +0100, -={ P L M }=-
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Bonjour ou bonsoir Curieuzeneus <[email protected]>,
>
>Le Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:55:14 +0100 dernier, confondant clavier et
>VACMA, tu écrivais 63 lignes �* propos de Re: Dutch language in
>Belgium. :
>
>
>>Septante is french?
>
>Yes, it is, definitively !
>
>And even "nonante" !
>Take any french dictionnary, and look at it !
>
>If you are not a "Taal-iban", and can understand a bit of french, have
>a look at here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/70_%28nombre%29
>
>Septante and nonante are used in south Belgium, but also in Luxemburg,
>in some part of eastern France, in some part of the former Duchy of
>Savoie, in Switzerland, in Congo, in Rwanda...
>
>I told you, you better learn french before talking about it !

If Flemish is a dialect and not Dutch, why should the language spoken
outside of France be considered as French and not as a dialect?
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/70_%28nombre%29
<mais par rapport �* l’usage courant en France, ils sont perçus comme
régionaux ou vieillis.>
Merci pour le lien.

24 januari 2007, 22:52	#1
Dixit Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. "Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht news:[email protected]... > Hello. > > I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native Belgian). > > So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal. > Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium? > > Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but > "Belgium" > type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study > Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one. > > A. M. As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German and Dutch. You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will serve you better in many countries around the world. For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an interesting source. As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each other: their television series are subtitled ! So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, even smaller than you would think.

24 januari 2007, 23:12	#2
Gunter Schelfhout Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. Dixit wrote: [knip] >> >> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but >> "Belgium" >> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study >> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one. >> >> A. M. > > As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German > and Dutch. > You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will > serve you better in many countries around the world. > For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an > interesting source. > > As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means > that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each > other: their television series are subtitled ! > So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, > even smaller than you would think. En nu de fonetische versie: Azioe maaite noowe, tie officialle langoeages ...

25 januari 2007, 01:32	#3
Aksimian Minsskij Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. "Dixit" <[email protected]> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ: news:[email protected]... > > "Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht > news:[email protected]... > As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German and > Dutch. Yes. True. > You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will No. Never. I hate French too much. Even though I intend to live in Ath (Aat)! > serve you better in many countries around the world. I don't need world - I need only the Netherlands and Germany. > For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an > interesting source. OK, I think that once I used to seen it. > > As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means > that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each other: > their television series are subtitled ! > So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, even > smaller than you would think. Yes - that's only Belgium - nothing more. So Flemish can be called "Belgian" language since it's not used outside Beglium. > Possible for the first time English may be OK? Since you all seems to speak English in Belgium because instead of learning language of the other 1/2 of Belgium you prefer to study English (or e. g. Esperanto) - to understand ALL world, - true? > Or probably lerne Deutsch? Warum nicht? P. S. I also thought that have made an error by posting in be.politics but soc.culture.belgium appeared to be... frankophone one! :(

25 januari 2007, 10:42	#4
zoot Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. If you intend living in Ath, that's in french speaking region, so either you learn french or go in the Flamish region... Zoot On 25 jan, 00:40, "Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> wrote: > "Dixit" <[email protected]> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:news:hyQth.308015$Er5.6106148@p hobos.telenet-ops.be... > > > "Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht > >news:[email protected]... > > As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, Germanand > > Dutch. > Yes. True. > > You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that willNo. Never. I hate French too much. Even though I intend to live in Ath (Aat)!> serve you better in many countries around the world.I don't need world - I need only the Netherlands and Germany.> For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an > > interesting source.OK, I think that once I used to seen it. > > > As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means > > that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each other: > > their television series are subtitled ! > > So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small,even > > smaller than you would think.Yes - that's only Belgium - nothing more. > So Flemish can be called "Belgian" language since it's not used outside Beglium.Possible for the first time English may be OK? Since you all seems to speak > English in Belgium because instead of learning language of the other 1/2 of > Belgium you prefer to study English (or e. g. Esperanto) - to understand ALL > world, - true?Or probably lerne Deutsch? Warum nicht? > > P. S. I also thought that have made an error by posting in be.politics but > soc.culture.belgium appeared to be... frankophone one! :(

25 januari 2007, 20:32	#5
Frank --::-- Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. >> You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will >No. Never. I hate French too much. Even though I intend to live in Ath (Aat)! Sukkel u bent geen buitenlander, gewoon een troll. -- :: --

26 januari 2007, 10:42	#6
nieuwslezer Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]> wrote: >As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German and >Dutch. >You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will what a lof of bullshit poster has indicated he will live in Flanders and therefore he should learn a language that is spoken in flanders and not in the other part of the country. French is no longer the language to learn. Napoleons's time is history..the internet is english :-) >As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means >that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each other: >their television series are subtitled ! again a lof of bullshit :-) >So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, even >smaller than you would think. You should also tell op that the economic heart of belgium is in flanders where 6 milion people speak flemish(the majority of belgium) - Dutch:-) ======================================== directe democratie http://www.referendumplatform.nl/ een rook en CO melder kan uw leven redden http://www.brandwonden.be/index.php/...ookmelders/nl/

26 januari 2007, 11:12	#7
Curieuzeneus Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]> wrote: > >"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht >news:[email protected]... >> Hello. >> >> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native Belgian). >> >> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal. >> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium? >> >> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but >> "Belgium" >> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study >> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one. >> >> A. M. > >As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German and >Dutch. >You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will >serve you better in many countries around the world. >For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an >interesting source. > If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French. The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real problem. For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french speaking people in Belgium. >As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means >that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each other: >their television series are subtitled ! >So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, even >smaller than you would think. >

26 januari 2007, 16:42	#8
Hemingway Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. "Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news: [email protected]... > On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >>"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht >>news:[email protected]... >>> Hello. >>> >>> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native >>> Belgian). >>> >>> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal. >>> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium? >>> >>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but >>> "Belgium" >>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study >>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one. >>> >>> A. M. >> >>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German >>and >>Dutch. >>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will >>serve you better in many countries around the world. >>For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an >>interesting source. >> > If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use > would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is > also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a > Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French. > The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish > people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real > problem. > For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's > better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french > speaking people in Belgium. > >>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means >>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each >>other: >>their television series are subtitled ! >>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, >>even >>smaller than you would think. >> I don't think "wasdana" could be understood by non flemish speakers! So I agree Flemish is a dialect, not a language. so it isn't possible to learn dutch in Flanders, as 99% of the flemish can't speak dutch Michel.

26 januari 2007, 17:02	#9
Curieuzeneus Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:37:17 +0100, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> wrote: > >"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de >news: [email protected]... >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht >>>news:[email protected]... >>>> Hello. >>>> >>>> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native >>>> Belgian). >>>> >>>> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal. >>>> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium? >>>> >>>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but >>>> "Belgium" >>>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study >>>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one. >>>> >>>> A. M. >>> >>>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German >>>and >>>Dutch. >>>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that will >>>serve you better in many countries around the world. >>>For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an >>>interesting source. >>> >> If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use >> would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is >> also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a >> Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French. >> The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish >> people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real >> problem. >> For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's >> better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french >> speaking people in Belgium. >> >>>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means >>>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each >>>other: >>>their television series are subtitled ! >>>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, >>>even >>>smaller than you would think. >>> >I don't think "wasdana" could be understood by non flemish speakers! So I >agree Flemish is a dialect, not a language. so it isn't possible to learn >dutch in Flanders, as 99% of the flemish can't speak dutch > >Michel. > > > Septante is french?

26 januari 2007, 18:02	#10
Hemingway Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. "Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news: [email protected]... > On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:37:17 +0100, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >>"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de >>news: [email protected]... >>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht >>>>news:[email protected]... >>>>> Hello. >>>>> >>>>> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native >>>>> Belgian). >>>>> >>>>> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal. >>>>> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium? >>>>> >>>>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but >>>>> "Belgium" >>>>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study >>>>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one. >>>>> >>>>> A. M. >>>> >>>>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German >>>>and >>>>Dutch. >>>>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that >>>>will >>>>serve you better in many countries around the world. >>>>For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an >>>>interesting source. >>>> >>> If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use >>> would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is >>> also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a >>> Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French. >>> The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish >>> people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real >>> problem. >>> For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's >>> better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french >>> speaking people in Belgium. >>> >>>>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means >>>>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each >>>>other: >>>>their television series are subtitled ! >>>>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, >>>>even >>>>smaller than you would think. >>>> >>I don't think "wasdana" could be understood by non flemish speakers! So I >>agree Flemish is a dialect, not a language. so it isn't possible to learn >>dutch in Flanders, as 99% of the flemish can't speak dutch >> >>Michel. >> >> >> > Septante is french? But french understand nonante.

26 januari 2007, 18:12	#11
Hemingway Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. "Hemingway" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news: [email protected]... > > "Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de > news: [email protected]... >> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:37:17 +0100, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de >>>news: [email protected]... >>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht >>>>>news:[email protected]... >>>>>> Hello. >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native >>>>>> Belgian). >>>>>> >>>>>> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal. >>>>>> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium? >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but >>>>>> "Belgium" >>>>>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to >>>>>> study >>>>>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one. >>>>>> >>>>>> A. M. >>>>> >>>>>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German >>>>>and >>>>>Dutch. >>>>>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that >>>>>will >>>>>serve you better in many countries around the world. >>>>>For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an >>>>>interesting source. >>>>> >>>> If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use >>>> would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is >>>> also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a >>>> Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French. >>>> The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish >>>> people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real >>>> problem. >>>> For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's >>>> better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french >>>> speaking people in Belgium. >>>> >>>>>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which >>>>>means >>>>>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each >>>>>other: >>>>>their television series are subtitled ! >>>>>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, >>>>>even >>>>>smaller than you would think. >>>>> >>>I don't think "wasdana" could be understood by non flemish speakers! So I >>>agree Flemish is a dialect, not a language. so it isn't possible to learn >>>dutch in Flanders, as 99% of the flemish can't speak dutch >>> >>>Michel. >>> >>> >>> >> Septante is french? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But french understand nonante. > And any foreigner would understand: tis en rututus, en ost rent, rent rin Osteends Michel

26 januari 2007, 18:22	#12
Curieuzeneus Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:02:47 +0100, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> wrote: > >"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de >news: [email protected]... >> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:37:17 +0100, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de >>>news: [email protected]... >>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht >>>>>news:[email protected]... >>>>>> Hello. >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native >>>>>> Belgian). >>>>>> >>>>>> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal. >>>>>> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium? >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but >>>>>> "Belgium" >>>>>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to study >>>>>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one. >>>>>> >>>>>> A. M. >>>>> >>>>>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German >>>>>and >>>>>Dutch. >>>>>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that >>>>>will >>>>>serve you better in many countries around the world. >>>>>For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an >>>>>interesting source. >>>>> >>>> If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use >>>> would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is >>>> also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a >>>> Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French. >>>> The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish >>>> people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real >>>> problem. >>>> For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's >>>> better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french >>>> speaking people in Belgium. >>>> >>>>>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which means >>>>>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each >>>>>other: >>>>>their television series are subtitled ! >>>>>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, >>>>>even >>>>>smaller than you would think. >>>>> >>>I don't think "wasdana" could be understood by non flemish speakers! So I >>>agree Flemish is a dialect, not a language. so it isn't possible to learn >>>dutch in Flanders, as 99% of the flemish can't speak dutch >>> >>>Michel. >>> >>> >>> >> Septante is french? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >But french understand nonante. > Yes and be looked at like something from outer space.

27 januari 2007, 09:52	#13
-={ P L M }=- Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. Bonjour ou bonsoir Curieuzeneus <[email protected]>, Le Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:09:52 +0100 dernier, confondant clavier et VACMA, tu écrivais 44 lignes �* propos de Re: Dutch language in Belgium. : >By the way the french spoken in Belgium is >also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a >Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French. I think you better start to learn french; just to know what language is really spoken in Wallonia ! The french-magyar Belgian ! (ik kan het ook in het nederlands als het moet; maar het zal natuurlijk in het ABN zijn, niet in je dialekt !) Doei ! -- Meilleurs sentiments de la part de PLM (Pour me joindre par e-mail, "philippe" suivit de @ et du nom de domaine ci dessous) -={ Rail Savoie http://www.RailSavoie.fr }=-

27 januari 2007, 10:32	#14
Ghingis Khan Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. "-={ P L M }=-" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht news:[email protected]... > Bonjour ou bonsoir Curieuzeneus <[email protected]>, > > Le Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:21:45 +0100 dernier, confondant clavier et > VACMA, tu écrivais 87 lignes �* propos de Re: Dutch language in > Belgium. : > >>>But french understand nonante. >>> >>Yes and be looked at like something from outer space. > > Just like as when you speek dutch (or vlaams) in the middle of France Just like as when you speek french in the middle of China. -- Ghingis Khan http://www.lotuschild.org/ http://www.khadag.org/ http://www.snowleopard.org/

27 januari 2007, 10:52	#17
Fustigator Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. Vitae forma vocatur "Hemingway" <[email protected]>, die Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:14:26 +0100, in littera <[email protected]> in foro be.politics(et aliis) vere scripsit quod sequitur: > >"Hemingway" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news: >[email protected]... >> >> "Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de >> news: [email protected]... >>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:37:17 +0100, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"Curieuzeneus" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de >>>>news: [email protected]... >>>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:52:13 GMT, "Dixit" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"Aksimian Minsskij" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht >>>>>>news:[email protected]... >>>>>>> Hello. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want to imigrate to Belgium soon (because my father is native >>>>>>> Belgian). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So I need to speak Vlaanderen taal. >>>>>>> Maybe it's good idea to study a bit BEFORE arriving to Belgium? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe there's places on the web where I can study not "Holland" but >>>>>>> "Belgium" >>>>>>> type of Dutch??? Since in Russia here I can only find sources to >>>>>>> study >>>>>>> Nederlanden taal, but not a Vlaanderen one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A. M. >>>>>> >>>>>>As you might know, the official languages of Belgium are French, German >>>>>>and >>>>>>Dutch. >>>>>>You are better of learning French, as that is a world language, that >>>>>>will >>>>>>serve you better in many countries around the world. >>>>>>For questions about Belgian culture soc.culture.belgium may also be an >>>>>>interesting source. >>>>>> >>>>> If you come to live in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, what use >>>>> would learning french have? By the way the french spoken in Belgium is >>>>> also a dialect, just look at the smiles on the French people when a >>>>> Walloon is speaking what he thinks is French. >>>>> The Dutch you can learn on the net is understood by the Flemish >>>>> people, some words have different prononciaton but it's not a real >>>>> problem. >>>>> For real information about Belgium and centrainly Flanders, it's >>>>> better to look on the net then reading a forum dominated by the french >>>>> speaking people in Belgium. >>>>> >>>>>>As you correctly pointed out, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, which >>>>>>means >>>>>>that the Dutch and the Flemish even have troubles understanding each >>>>>>other: >>>>>>their television series are subtitled ! >>>>>>So the actual region in which you can use Flemish is, very, very small, >>>>>>even >>>>>>smaller than you would think. >>>>>> >>>>I don't think "wasdana" could be understood by non flemish speakers! So I >>>>agree Flemish is a dialect, not a language. so it isn't possible to learn >>>>dutch in Flanders, as 99% of the flemish can't speak dutch >>>> >>>>Michel. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Septante is french? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> But french understand nonante. >> >And any foreigner would understand: > >tis en rututus, en ost rent, rent rin > >Osteends > >Michel > Hie kent nietend van 't Oostèènds, hie! Vanuut Oostèènde, Den Fustihateure aka -- Fusti

27 januari 2007, 11:22	#19
Curieuzeneus Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:25:14 +0100, -={ P L M }=- <[email protected]> wrote: >Bonjour ou bonsoir Curieuzeneus <[email protected]>, > >Le Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:21:45 +0100 dernier, confondant clavier et >VACMA, tu écrivais 87 lignes �* propos de Re: Dutch language in >Belgium. : > >>>But french understand nonante. >>> >>Yes and be looked at like something from outer space. > >Just like as when you speek dutch (or vlaams) in the middle of France >! Then you deserve to be looked at like something from outer space.

27 januari 2007, 11:32	#20
Curieuzeneus Berichten: n/a	Re: Dutch language in Belgium. On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:23:55 +0100, -={ P L M }=- <[email protected]> wrote: >Bonjour ou bonsoir Curieuzeneus <[email protected]>, > >Le Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:55:14 +0100 dernier, confondant clavier et >VACMA, tu écrivais 63 lignes �* propos de Re: Dutch language in >Belgium. : > > >>Septante is french? > >Yes, it is, definitively ! > >And even "nonante" ! >Take any french dictionnary, and look at it ! > >If you are not a "Taal-iban", and can understand a bit of french, have >a look at here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/70_%28nombre%29 > >Septante and nonante are used in south Belgium, but also in Luxemburg, >in some part of eastern France, in some part of the former Duchy of >Savoie, in Switzerland, in Congo, in Rwanda... > >I told you, you better learn french before talking about it ! If Flemish is a dialect and not Dutch, why should the language spoken outside of France be considered as French and not as a dialect? http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/70_%28nombre%29 <mais par rapport �* l’usage courant en France, ils sont perçus comme régionaux ou vieillis.> Merci pour le lien.