Waarom behandeld Israel de VS als een vijand?

[bosstraat5]

The total number of Jewish/Israeli spies convicted or expelled from the United States of America exceeds the number of spies convicted for all other ethnic groups.

Fox News special over Israelische spionnen in de VS

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...sraeli+spyring


1947. Information collected by the ADL in its spy operations on US citizens is used by the House Select Committee on Unamerican Activities. Subcommittee Chair Clare Hoffman dismisses the ADL's reports on suspected communists as hearsay."

1950 John Davitt, former chief of the Justice Department's internal security section notes that the Israeli intelligence service is the second most active in the United States after the Soviets.

1954 A hidden microphone planted by the Israelis is discovered in the Office of the US Ambassador in Tel Aviv.

1956 Telephone taps are found connected to two telephones in the residence of the US military attach in Tel Aviv.

1954 "The Lavon Affair". Israeli agents recruit Egyptian citizens of Jewish descent to bomb Western targets in Egypt, and plant evidence to frame Arabs, in an apparent attempt to upset US-Egyptian relations. Israeli defense minister Pinchas Lavon is eventually removed from office, though many think real responsibility lay with David Ben-Gurion.

1965 Israel apparently illegally obtains enriched uranium from NUMEC Corporation. ( Washington Post, 6/5/86, Charles R. Babcock, "US an Intelligence Target of the Israelis, Officials Say.")

1967 Israel attacks the USS Liberty, an intelligence gathering vessel flying a US flag, killing 34 crew members. See "Assault on the Liberty," by James M. Ennes, Jr. (Random House). In 2004, Captain Ward Boston, Senior Legal Counsel for the Navy's Court of Inquiry into the attack swears under oath that President Lyndon Johnson ordered the investigation to conclude accident, even though the evidence indicates the attack was deliberate. Given the use by Israel of unmarked boats and planes, and the machine-gunning of USS Liberty's lifeboats, the most likely explanation is that USS Liberty was to be sunk with all hands, with evidence left to frame Egypt for the sinking. This would have dragged the US into the war on Israel's side.

1970 While working for Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, Richard Perle is caught by the FBI giving classified information to Israel. Nothing is done.

1978, Stephen Bryen, then a Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffer, is overheard in a DC hotel offering confidential documents to top Israeli military officials. Bryen obtains a lawyer, Nathan Lewin, and the case heads for the grand jury, but is mysteriously dropped. Bryen later goes to work for Richard Perle.

1979 Shin Beth [the Israeli internal security agency] tries to penetrate the US Consulate General in Jerusalem through a "Honey Trap", using a clerical employee who was having an affair with a Jerusalem girl.

1985 The New York Times reports the FBI is aware of at least a dozen incidents in which American officials transferred classified information to the Israelis, quoting [former Assistant Director of the F.B.I.] Mr. [Raymond] Wannal. The Justice Department does not prosecute.

1985 Richard Smyth, the owner of MILCO, is indicted on charges of smuggling nuclear timing devices to Israel ( Washington Post, 10/31/86).

1987 April 24 Wall Street Journal headline: "Role of Israel in Iran-Contra Scandal Won't be Explored in Detail by Panels"

1992 The Wall Street Journal reports that Israeli agents apparently tried to steal Recon Optical Inc's top-secret airborne spy-camera system.

1992 Stephen Bryen, caught offering confidential documents to Israel in 1978, is serving on board of the pro-Israeli Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs while continuing as a paid consultant -- with security clearance -- on exports of sensitive US technology.

1992 "The Samson Option," by Seymour M. Hersh reports, illicitly obtained intelligence was flying so voluminously from LAKAM into Israeli intelligence that a special code name, JUMBO, was added to the security markings already on the documents. There were strict orders, Ari Ben-Menashe recalled: "Anything marked JUMBO was not supposed to be discussed with your American counterparts."

1993. The ADL is caught operating a massive spying operation on critics of Israel, Arab-Americans, the San Francisco Labor Council, ILWU Local 10, Oakland Educational Association, NAACP, Irish Northern Aid, International Indian Treaty Council, the Asian Law Caucus and the San Francisco police. Data collected was sent to Israel and in some cases to South Africa. Pressure from Jewish organizations forces the city to drop the criminal case, but the ADL settles a civil lawsuit for an undisclosed sum of cash.

1995 The Defense Investigative Service circulates a memo warning US military contractors that " Israel aggressively collects [ US] military and industrial technology." The report stated that Israel obtains information using "ethnic targeting, financial aggrandizement, and identification and exploitation of individual frailties" of US citizens.

1996 A General Accounting Office report "Defense Industrial Security: Weaknesses in US Security Arrangements With Foreign-Owned Defense Contractors" found that according to intelligence sources "Country A" (identified by intelligence sources as Israel, Washington Times, 2/22/96) "conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the United States of any US ally." The Jerusalem Post (8/30/96) quoted the report, "Classified military information and sensitive military technologies are high-priority targets for the intelligence agencies of this country." The report described "An espionage operation run by the intelligence organization responsible for collecting scientific and technologic information for [ Israel] paid a US government employee to obtain US classified military intelligence documents." The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (Shawn L. Twing, April 1996) noted that this was "a reference to the
1985 arrest of Jonathan Pollard, a civilian US naval intelligence analyst who provided Israel's LAKAM [Office of Special Tasks] espionage agency an estimated 800,000 pages of classified US intelligence information."

The GAO report also noted that "Several citizens of [ Israel] were caught in the United States stealing sensitive technology used in manufacturing artillery gun tubes."

1996 An Office of Naval Intelligence document, "Worldwide Challenges to Naval Strike Warfare" reported that " US technology has been acquired [by China] through Israel in the form of the Lavi fighter and possibly SAM [surface-to-air] missile technology." Jane's Defense Weekly (2/28/96) noted that "until now, the intelligence community has not openly confirmed the transfer of US technology [via Israel] to China." The report noted that this "represents a dramatic step forward for Chinese military aviation." (Flight International, 3/13/96)

1997 An Army mechanical engineer, David A. Tenenbaum, "inadvertently" gives classified military information on missile systems and armored vehicles to Israeli officials (New York Times, 2/20/97).

1997 The Washington Post reports US intelligence has intercepted a conversation in which two Israeli officials had discussed the possibility of getting a confidential letter that then-Secretary of State Warren Christopher had written to Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat. One of the Israelis, identified only as Dov, had commented that they may get the letter from Mega, the code name for Israel's top agent inside the United States.

1997 US ambassador to Israel, Martin Indyk, complains privately to the Israeli government about heavy-handed surveillance by Israeli intelligence agents.

1997 Israeli agents place a tap on Monica Lewinsky's phone at the Watergate and record phone sex sessions between her and President Bill Clinton. The Ken Starr report confirms that Clinton warned Lewinsky their conversations were being taped and ended the affair. At the same time, the FBI's hunt forMega is called off.

2001 It is discovered that US drug agent's communications have been penetrated. Suspicion falls on two companies, AMDOCS and Comverse Infosys, both owned by Israelis. AMDOCS generates billing data for most US phone companies and is able to provide detailed logs of who is talking to whom. Comverse Infosys builds the tapping equipment used by law enforcement to eavesdrop on all American telephone calls, but suspicion forms that Comverse, which gets half of its research and development budget from the Israeli government, has built a back door into the system that is being exploited by Israeli intelligence and that the information gleaned on US drug interdiction efforts is finding its way to drug smugglers. The investigation by the FBI leads to the exposure of the largest foreign spy ring ever uncovered inside the United States, operated by Israel. Half of the suspected spies have been arrested when 9-11 happens. On 9-11, 5 Israelis are arrested for dancing and cheering while the World Trade Towers collapse. Supposedly employed by Urban Moving Systems, the Israelis are caught with multiple passports and a lot of cash. Two of them are later revealed to be Mossad. As witness reports track the activity of the Israelis, it emerges that they were seen at Liberty Park at the time of the first impact, suggesting a foreknowledge of what was to come. The Israelis are interrogated, and then eventually sent back to Israel. The owner of the moving company used as a cover by the Mossad agents abandons his business and flees to Israel. The United States Government then classifies all of the evidence related to the Israeli agents and their connections to 9-11. All of this is reported to the public via a four part story on Fox News by Carl Cameron. Pressure from Jewish groups, primarily AIPAC, forces Fox News to remove the story from their website. Two hours prior to the 9-11 attacks, Odigo, an Israeli company with offices just a few blocks from the World Trade Towers, receives an advance warning via the internet. The manager of the New York Office provides the FBI with the IP address of the sender of the message, but the FBI does not follow up.

2001 The FBI is investigating 5 Israeli moving companies as possible fronts for Israeli intelligence.

2001 JDL's Irv Rubin arrested for planning to bomb a US Congressman. He dies before he can be brought to trial.

2002 The DEA issues a report that Israeli spies, posing as art students, have been trying to penetrate US Government offices.

2002 police near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station in southern Washington State stop a suspicious truck and detain two Israelis, one of whom is illegally in the United States. The two men were driving at high speed in a Ryder rental truck, which they claimed had been used to "deliver furniture." The next day, police discovered traces of TNT and RDX military-grade plastic explosives inside the passenger cabin and on the steering wheel of the vehicle. The FBI then announces that the tests that showed explosives were false positives by cigarette smoke, a claim test experts say is ridiculous. Based on an alibi provided by a woman, the case is closed and the Israelis are handed over to INS to be sent back to Israel. One week later, the woman who provided the alibi vanishes.

2003 The Police Chief of Cloudcroft stops a truck speeding through a school zone. The drivers turn out to be Israelis with expired passports. Claiming to be movers, the truck contains junk furniture and several boxes. The Israelis are handed over to immigration. The contents of the boxers are not revealed to the public.

2003 Israel deploys assassination squads into other countries, including the United States. The US Government does not protest.

2004 Police near the Nuclear Fuel Services plant in Tennessee stop a truck after a three mile chase, during which the driver throws a bottle containing a strange liquid from the cab. The drivers turn out to be Israelis using fake Ids. The FBI refuses to investigate and the Israelis are released.

2004 Two Israelis try to enter Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base, home to eight Trident submarines. The truck tests positive for explosives.

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"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.


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Katya and Sayanin: A Katya is a Jewish spy. The Sayanin are those Jews resident in the host nation who provide support and assistance to the spies in their missions. In 1979 an ex-CIA official said "Mossad can go to any distinguished American Jew and ask for help." (9/3/1979, Newsweek) Some years ago an analysis of the Forbes list of billionaires found that almost 40% were Jews. Did they have some assistance from Jerusalem in acquiring their money? Were the 200 Israeli spies expelled after 9/11 the only spies they have in this country? If it were any other country and we caught 200 spies what would we have done? Why did the spy story only run on one network? Why did the spy story disappear from the Fox News website?
As Jews make up about 2% of our population and blacks make up about 14% there should be 6 times as many black spies as there are Jewish spies wouldn't you think? I can't think of any black spies.


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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared."

(Cicero)

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door bosstraat5

Waarom behandelt Israel de VS als een vijand?

Prietpraat

[La Chunga]

Is het mogelijk dat ik tussen het ellenlange propaganda-materiaal uw mening niet opmerkte? Of bent u ook zo'n copy/past-poster die z'n eigenste encyclopedietje wereldkundig maakt?

[Raven]

Naast het feit dat hier nog de linkse-propaganda praat zou moeten gescheiden worden van de werkelijkheid, denk ik dat vooral het Amerikaanse binnenlandse veiligheidsbeleid veel vis vangt de laatste jaren. En niet alleen de Israëlisch.

Integenstelling tot bv een België, dat de draaischijf is van het internationale terrorisme, omdat onze veiligheidsdiensten een handvol ouwe rukkers zijn die al jaren op pensioen moesten.

[kilgore]

Hebt gij misschien een probleem?Zucht.

[bosstraat5]

vooralsnog is Antoon de enige die een onjuistheit heeft kunnen weerleggen

[Nussbaum]

Ik denk niet dat Israel de VS anders behandelt dan andere bevriende landen en verder bespioneert de VS zelf ook bevriende landen. Spioneren is uiteraard verkeerd maar Israel heeft er geen monopolie op.

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door bosstraat5

vooralsnog is Antoon de enige die een onjuistheid heeft kunnen weerleggen

Heel jouw verhaal is prietpraat. Wat valt er nog te weerleggen?

[Samsa]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Raven

Naast het feit dat hier nog de linkse-propaganda praat zou moeten gescheiden worden van de werkelijkheid, denk ik dat vooral het Amerikaanse binnenlandse veiligheidsbeleid veel vis vangt de laatste jaren. En niet alleen de Israëlisch.

Integenstelling tot bv een België, dat de draaischijf is van het internationale terrorisme, omdat onze veiligheidsdiensten een handvol ouwe rukkers zijn die al jaren op pensioen moesten.

"links"? misschien is het je nog niet opgevallen maar bosstraat is een behoorlijk antisemitische asshole, iets wat niet bepaald tot "links" behoort, eerder tot fascistoïde extreem-rechts

[Brandaan]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Nussbaum

Spioneren is uiteraard verkeerd

Waarom?

[Nussbaum]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Brandaan

Waarom?

Lijkt me dat zoiets tegen de wet van het land waar men spioneert. Het ene land respecteert dan dus niet de wetten van het ander land.

[Brandaan]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Nussbaum

Lijkt me dat zoiets tegen de wet kan zijn van het land waar men spioneert. Het ene land respecteert dan dus niet de wetten van het ander land.

Uiteraard is zoiets tegen de wet, maar iets verkeerd noemen gaat niet over de legaliteit van iets, het gaat over de morele kant van de zaak. Dus wat is er immoreel aan spionage? In mijn ogen is het een volstrekt aanvaardbare methode om informatie in te winnen.

[Nussbaum]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Brandaan

Uiteraard is zoiets tegen de wet, maar iets verkeerd noemen gaat niet over de legaliteit van iets, het gaat over de morele kant van de zaak. Dus wat is er immoreel aan spionage? In mijn ogen is het een volstrekt aanvaardbare methode om informatie in te winnen.

Wel zo bedoelde ik het wel. Het punt van mijn reactie was dat het niet israel en slechts israel is dat spioneert, andere landen doen dat ook. Van de VS zou je net zo'n lijst kunnen maken, ongetwijfelt ook van China en Frankrijk.

[krizis]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Raven

Naast het feit dat hier nog de linkse-propaganda praat zou moeten gescheiden worden van de werkelijkheid, denk ik dat vooral het Amerikaanse binnenlandse veiligheidsbeleid veel vis vangt de laatste jaren. En niet alleen de Israëlisch.

Integenstelling tot bv een België, dat de draaischijf is van het internationale terrorisme, omdat onze veiligheidsdiensten een handvol ouwe rukkers zijn die al jaren op pensioen moesten.

link -rechts, links-rechts, links-rechts ... What the fuck man, kijk eens verder dan uw neus, links en rechts :s denk eens niet zo zwart-wit ... de wereld bestaat niet uit links en rechts, goed en fout ... der ligt nog heel wat tussen ... en anti-zionistisme is helemaal niet hetzelfde als anti-semitisme trouwens ... ik las dat hier ergens ...

[Vorenus]

Het ene land bespioneert het andere land. Niets nieuws onder de zon. De mens doet dit sinds de oudheid.

[bosstraat5]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Raven

Naast het feit dat hier nog de linkse-propaganda praat zou moeten gescheiden worden van de werkelijkheid,...

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Samsa

"links"? misschien is het je nog niet opgevallen maar bosstraat is een behoorlijk antisemitische asshole, iets wat niet bepaald tot "links" behoort, eerder tot fascistoïde extreem-rechts

zou het kunnen dat jullie wat "achter" zijn?

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Preuße

Grappig om zien dat zowel extreem-linkse nutjobs �* la Kif-Kif en extreem-rechste nurjobs �* la Sinistra moeilijkheden hebben met dit forum Vrijheid is voor de extremisten soms een beetje veel om dragen, nee?