Een écht europees referendum

1handclapping · 15 juni 2007, 09:33

I. About the campaign [/FONT][/SIZE]
II. What's at stake at the European Summit
2. Commit to a European referendum
III. Activities
23 March: Campaign kicks-off in Rome!
21 April: Munich launch and street action
16 June: JEF pan-European action day
IV. Supporters update
V. Practical updates
VI. How can you help the campaign?
1. Sign the petition yourself
2. Tell friends and family
3. Link to europeanreferendum.eu
4. Donate to the campaign
5. Join the campaign groups
VII. Who is on the organisational team?
VIII.How to contact us
I. ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN
On 21 April 2007 the campaign for an EU-wide consultative referendum on the European Constitution was officially launched by the Union of European Federalists (UEF) and the Young European Federalists (JEF). The goal of this campaign is to collect at least one million signatures in support of a European referendum to be held on the same day as the next European elections in 2009.
WHY DO WE NEED THIS CAMPAIGN?
An effective European Union must be democratic and founded on popular consent. Therefore any European Constitutional Treaty should be submitted to a consultative referendum of the citizens in all European states on the same day as the European elections in 2009, with a positive result if it is supported by a double majority of citizens and states of the Union.
To read more about the campaign visit the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) section at our website www.europeanreferendum.eu.
II. WHAT'S AT STAKE AT THE EUROPEAN SUMMIT?
The heads of government of the 27 EU member states will meet in Brussels on 21/22 June. Their summit meeting will decide the way forward for the European constitutional treaty. This campaign has been launched with two key demands:
1.COMMIT TO A EUROPEAN CONSTITUTION
The European Council should keep to the idea of a European constitution and reject the minimalist alternative of a mini-Treaty. The previous constitutional treaty was ratified by 18 out of 27 of the member states and received 55 per cent of the votes cast by citizens in the four referendums that were held. This is a mandate for progress, not for retreat.There will be negotiations between now and the end of December to agree a new text for the future of the European Union. In order to deal with the challenges that Europe faces, this text should be ambitious. It should be faithful to the constitutional treaty, and faithful to the idea of Europe.
Read the statement by Mercedes Bresso, president of the UEF here: http://www.federaleurope.org/index.php?id=3327 Read the statement by JEF-Europe here: http://www.jef.eu/index.php?id=1374
2.COMMIT TO A EUROPEAN REFERENDUM
The decision about the future of Europe is not just a matter for the heads of government alone. It should be a matter for all European citizens.That is why the campaign also calls on the European Council to agree to submit the results of their negotiations to a consultative Europe-wide referendum, which should be held in every European country on the same day. Democratic aims can only be achieved by democratic means. That means a European referendum and not a European summit.If you agree that Europe in the future should be united and not divided, and if you agree that European citizens should be entitled to take this decision, then you can add your support to the campaign
Visit our campaign website at www.europeanreferendum.eu
And tell your friends!
III. ACTIVITIES
23 March: CAMPAIGN KICKS-OFF IN ROME!
On Friday, March 23rd, during the celebrations of the 50th anniversary of Rome Treaties in Palazzo Madama (Italian Senate), the European Federalist Movement (MFE - UEF Italy) launched the Campaign for collecting a million signatures to demand a consultative referendum on the European Constitution.
The event has shown the general support surrounding the proposal for a European referendum, which is increasing within the political forces. This proposal is quickly gathering more and more support among the citizens, who welcome favourably the perspective of involving the European people in the process that has to give Europe a Constitution, effectively summarised in the slogan of the Campaign: "Let the European people decide!".
Read more about it here: http://www.taurillon.org/Campaign-for-a-European-Referendum-kicks-off-in-Rome[
21 April: MUNICH LAUNCH AND STREET ACTION
The European referendum campaign was officially launched in Munich during the Federal Committee meeting of UEF with discussion in the Bavarian parliament, featuring Mercedes Bresso, president of UEF, Claudia Roth, president of the German Greens and Paolo Ponzano, Director of the Task Force on the future of the Union and Institutional Matters.
In the city centre members of JEF-Germany organised a street action collecting signatures for the campaign. To read more about the action and see the photos go to http://www.jef.de/.
16 June: JEF PAN-EUROPEAN ACTION DAY
Whereas several of Europe's leaders are talking about burying the European constitution alive, JEF has got a solution: Let the European People decide! Together with UEF we are supporting the 1 million signatures in support of a pan-European consultative referendum on a (revised) European constitution - www.europeanreferendum.eu
The action will take place Saturday 16 June - just one week before the Summit and a few days before Merkel concludes the German Presidency - i.e. straight in the spotlight!
We hope you will join in so that jointly we can send a strong message to the summit! Please contact [email protected] to let her know that you are taking part in the action and to get further information and material.
And good luck!
IV. SUPPORTERS UPDATE
Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, president of the European Convention, signs our petition during a street action in Rome, Italy marking the 50th anniversary of the Rome Treaties.Gérard Onesta, French MEP from the European Greens and Vice-President of the European Parliament officially supports the European referendum campaign and spreads the word about it in his newsletter.
Jürgen Habermas, the famous German philosopher in favour of a Euro-wide referendum; read the interview at http://europeanreferendum.blogspot.com[
V. PRACTICAL UPDATES
THE COUNTER: on June 13 we have reached more than 7000 signatures!LANGUAGE VERSIONS: the referendum website is now available in the following languages: English, French, German, and - new - in Italian and Finnish! Czech, Esperanto and Slovenian will follow next week while many others are still in the pipe-line.
VI. HOW CAN YOU HELP THE CAMPAIGN?
1.Sign the petition yourself
The first thing is obviously to sign the petition on www.europeanreferendum.eu yourself.
2.Tell friends and family
There are many, many ways in which you can promote the campaign. The most basic thing is obviously to tell friends and family about the campaign. Don't get on their nerves - and don't force anyone to sign. But if you tell many people around you, you might be surprised by how many people are actually sympathetic to our campaign and our ideas.
3. Link to europeanreferendum.eu[
If you are running your own website or even a blog you can make a very valuable contribution to the campaign: Publish a banner for the campaign. You can download two different banners on the campaign website. If you want you can even add the banner to your own E-mail signature - we know that this is something for the very committed.
4. Donate to the campaign
This is a self-financing campaign. Therefore we are highly depended on financial support by individuals. Your financial support will help the campaign to attract more publicity. You can donate to the campaign through PayPal: even a small donation of a few euros helps the campaign, but obviously large donations will help more. There is a button on the website from which you can directly reach our PayPal site: https://www.europeanreferendum.eu/en...tml?no_cache=1
5. Join the campaign groups
Campaigning actions will be taking place in the following countries/cities on Saturday 16 June 2007: Barcelona, Edinburgh, York, Athens, Lisbon, Vienna, Graz, Turin, Cagliari, Castelfranco, Verona, Padova, Prato, Bucharest, Berlin and many more.Please contact your nearest JEF/UEF sections for more details.Ongoing campaign groups: if you want to help out with translating the website into other European languages and/or help develop our communication feel free to contact us.
VII. THE ORGANISATIONAL TEAMCampaign officer: Peter MatjasicCampaign coordination: Hanneli Ebding, Francesco Ferrero, Richard Laming, Florian Rodeit and Peter Strempel.
VIII. HOW TO CONTACT US
Referendum on Europe Campaign Secretariat Chaussée de Wavre 214d 1050 Brussels Belgium ]Email: [email protected][To join this e-mailing list, please reply to this e-mail with "subscribe" in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this e-mailing list, please reply to this e-mail with "unsubscribe" in the subject line.

----

Kortom : Europa zal democratisch zijn, of niet zijn (dit initiatief werd reeds eerder aangekondigd). Vanzelfsprekend zal ik de teksten eveneens in
het frans, nederlands, duits en Esperanto op het forum zetten.

Op deze draad kan je ook diverse url's opgeven (ik zal er nog zelf plaatsen) ove Europese sites, blogs van politici e.d. die rechtstreeks met Europa en de Europese gedachte te maken hebben, alsook over de europese partijen en hun opinies in diverse kwesties.

Sjaax · 15 juni 2007, 13:00

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door 1handclapping

If you agree that Europe in the future should be united and not divided, and if you agree that European citizens should be entitled to take this decision, then you can add your support to the campaign

Met andere woorden: alleen als ik instem met een verenigd Europa kan ik steun geven aan een referendumcampagne.

Dit lijkt me toch wel een textueel foutje!

Pelgrim · 15 juni 2007, 13:22

Liever niet. Elk land moet apart een referendum organiseren. Als vijftien landen ja zeggen en tien landen nee worden tien landen verplicht mee te gaan. Die tien landen moeten het recht hebben buiten het vierde Reich te blijven. Die landen die de EU grondwet willen invoeren moeten dat dan maar onderling doen.

1handclapping · 26 juni 2007, 17:37

Kijk : de belgische grondwet is nooit door een volksreferendum goedgekeurd.
Derhalve stel ik voor dat het principe "grondwet goed te keuren door een referendum" wordt ingevoerd & laat ons dat dan ook meteen, in elke gemeente afzonderlijk doen.. of in elke provincie ? Om het even, maar wetten en principes moeten gelijk zijn.. watvoor een europese staat geldt, moet ook voor een belgische gelden. Ik ben overigens volkomen akkoord met het feit dat het niet het "woord" grondwet is dat van een verdragstekst een grondwet of een gewoon verdrag maakt. Wat men de burgers nu wil wijsmaken is dat het geven van staatsbevoegdheden aan een internationaal lichaam daar nog geen "staat" van maakt. Er is vast en zeker een "kritische massa" die maakt dat de EU een staat is, indien nu nog niet, dan wel vanaf 2017 bv. Die lidstaten die daar niet van willen weten moeten kunnen uittreden.. dat is precies een van de nieue elementen in de grondwet die geen grondwet maar een verdrag is..

Dus de procedure om van de EU verlost te geraken is simpel :
1° Het verdrag in werking laten treden
2° Volgens art.. voetnoten.. het verdrag voor je land opzeggen.

Je kan vanzelfsprekend een referendum organizeren zonder dat dit referendum reeds een wettelijk kader heeft.. het effect zal allesbehalve vrijblijvend zijn.. Het Nederlandse referendum over het verdrag tot instelling van een grondwet was ook niet bindend, de toenmalige Nederlandse regering had het gewoon naast zich kunnen leggen (bij een geringere meerderheid hadden ze het waarschijnlijk ook gedaan).

Ik zou in ieder geval aan zulk referendum meewerken - voor de EU tegenstanders en/of de tegenstanders van de voorliggende verdragswijziging die sterk op een grondwet lijkt maar het niet is, is het een gedroomde kans om dat verdrag af te schieten.. kortom men is democraat of men is het niet.
Als er bij een aanvaarding van dit Eu staats-en regeringsleiders voorstel
een land/natie is die er toch niet van wil weten kunnen ze middels het nieuwe verdrag de unie gerust verlaten...

Pelgrim · 26 juni 2007, 18:13

De meest democratische staat in de wereld blijkt toch weer Venezuela te zijn. Daar werd niet alleen de grondwet via referendum aangenomen, maar werd de grondwetgevende vergadering zélf rechtstreeks verkozen.
Van Chavez kunnen de zogenaamde 'democraten' hier dus wel wat leren.

15 juni 2007, 09:33	#1
1handclapping Europees Commissaris Geregistreerd: 3 juli 2003 Locatie: Antwerpen-Deurne Berichten: 7.132	Een écht europees referendum I. About the campaign [/FONT][/SIZE] II. What's at stake at the European Summit 2. Commit to a European referendum III. Activities 23 March: Campaign kicks-off in Rome! 21 April: Munich launch and street action 16 June: JEF pan-European action day IV. Supporters update V. Practical updates VI. How can you help the campaign? 1. Sign the petition yourself 2. Tell friends and family 3. Link to europeanreferendum.eu 4. Donate to the campaign 5. Join the campaign groups VII. Who is on the organisational team? VIII.How to contact us I. ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN On 21 April 2007 the campaign for an EU-wide consultative referendum on the European Constitution was officially launched by the Union of European Federalists (UEF) and the Young European Federalists (JEF). The goal of this campaign is to collect at least one million signatures in support of a European referendum to be held on the same day as the next European elections in 2009. WHY DO WE NEED THIS CAMPAIGN? An effective European Union must be democratic and founded on popular consent. Therefore any European Constitutional Treaty should be submitted to a consultative referendum of the citizens in all European states on the same day as the European elections in 2009, with a positive result if it is supported by a double majority of citizens and states of the Union. To read more about the campaign visit the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) section at our website www.europeanreferendum.eu. II. WHAT'S AT STAKE AT THE EUROPEAN SUMMIT? The heads of government of the 27 EU member states will meet in Brussels on 21/22 June. Their summit meeting will decide the way forward for the European constitutional treaty. This campaign has been launched with two key demands: 1.COMMIT TO A EUROPEAN CONSTITUTION The European Council should keep to the idea of a European constitution and reject the minimalist alternative of a mini-Treaty. The previous constitutional treaty was ratified by 18 out of 27 of the member states and received 55 per cent of the votes cast by citizens in the four referendums that were held. This is a mandate for progress, not for retreat.There will be negotiations between now and the end of December to agree a new text for the future of the European Union. In order to deal with the challenges that Europe faces, this text should be ambitious. It should be faithful to the constitutional treaty, and faithful to the idea of Europe. Read the statement by Mercedes Bresso, president of the UEF here: http://www.federaleurope.org/index.php?id=3327 Read the statement by JEF-Europe here: http://www.jef.eu/index.php?id=1374 2.COMMIT TO A EUROPEAN REFERENDUM The decision about the future of Europe is not just a matter for the heads of government alone. It should be a matter for all European citizens.That is why the campaign also calls on the European Council to agree to submit the results of their negotiations to a consultative Europe-wide referendum, which should be held in every European country on the same day. Democratic aims can only be achieved by democratic means. That means a European referendum and not a European summit.If you agree that Europe in the future should be united and not divided, and if you agree that European citizens should be entitled to take this decision, then you can add your support to the campaign Visit our campaign website at www.europeanreferendum.eu And tell your friends! III. ACTIVITIES 23 March: CAMPAIGN KICKS-OFF IN ROME! On Friday, March 23rd, during the celebrations of the 50th anniversary of Rome Treaties in Palazzo Madama (Italian Senate), the European Federalist Movement (MFE - UEF Italy) launched the Campaign for collecting a million signatures to demand a consultative referendum on the European Constitution. The event has shown the general support surrounding the proposal for a European referendum, which is increasing within the political forces. This proposal is quickly gathering more and more support among the citizens, who welcome favourably the perspective of involving the European people in the process that has to give Europe a Constitution, effectively summarised in the slogan of the Campaign: "Let the European people decide!". Read more about it here: http://www.taurillon.org/Campaign-for-a-European-Referendum-kicks-off-in-Rome[ 21 April: MUNICH LAUNCH AND STREET ACTION The European referendum campaign was officially launched in Munich during the Federal Committee meeting of UEF with discussion in the Bavarian parliament, featuring Mercedes Bresso, president of UEF, Claudia Roth, president of the German Greens and Paolo Ponzano, Director of the Task Force on the future of the Union and Institutional Matters. In the city centre members of JEF-Germany organised a street action collecting signatures for the campaign. To read more about the action and see the photos go to http://www.jef.de/. 16 June: JEF PAN-EUROPEAN ACTION DAY Whereas several of Europe's leaders are talking about burying the European constitution alive, JEF has got a solution: Let the European People decide! Together with UEF we are supporting the 1 million signatures in support of a pan-European consultative referendum on a (revised) European constitution - www.europeanreferendum.eu The action will take place Saturday 16 June - just one week before the Summit and a few days before Merkel concludes the German Presidency - i.e. straight in the spotlight! We hope you will join in so that jointly we can send a strong message to the summit! Please contact [email protected] to let her know that you are taking part in the action and to get further information and material. And good luck! IV. SUPPORTERS UPDATE Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, president of the European Convention, signs our petition during a street action in Rome, Italy marking the 50th anniversary of the Rome Treaties.Gérard Onesta, French MEP from the European Greens and Vice-President of the European Parliament officially supports the European referendum campaign and spreads the word about it in his newsletter. Jürgen Habermas, the famous German philosopher in favour of a Euro-wide referendum; read the interview at http://europeanreferendum.blogspot.com[ V. PRACTICAL UPDATES THE COUNTER: on June 13 we have reached more than 7000 signatures!LANGUAGE VERSIONS: the referendum website is now available in the following languages: English, French, German, and - new - in Italian and Finnish! Czech, Esperanto and Slovenian will follow next week while many others are still in the pipe-line. VI. HOW CAN YOU HELP THE CAMPAIGN? 1.Sign the petition yourself The first thing is obviously to sign the petition on www.europeanreferendum.eu yourself. 2.Tell friends and family There are many, many ways in which you can promote the campaign. The most basic thing is obviously to tell friends and family about the campaign. Don't get on their nerves - and don't force anyone to sign. But if you tell many people around you, you might be surprised by how many people are actually sympathetic to our campaign and our ideas. 3. Link to europeanreferendum.eu[ If you are running your own website or even a blog you can make a very valuable contribution to the campaign: Publish a banner for the campaign. You can download two different banners on the campaign website. If you want you can even add the banner to your own E-mail signature - we know that this is something for the very committed. 4. Donate to the campaign This is a self-financing campaign. Therefore we are highly depended on financial support by individuals. Your financial support will help the campaign to attract more publicity. You can donate to the campaign through PayPal: even a small donation of a few euros helps the campaign, but obviously large donations will help more. There is a button on the website from which you can directly reach our PayPal site: https://www.europeanreferendum.eu/en...tml?no_cache=1 5. Join the campaign groups Campaigning actions will be taking place in the following countries/cities on Saturday 16 June 2007: Barcelona, Edinburgh, York, Athens, Lisbon, Vienna, Graz, Turin, Cagliari, Castelfranco, Verona, Padova, Prato, Bucharest, Berlin and many more.Please contact your nearest JEF/UEF sections for more details.Ongoing campaign groups: if you want to help out with translating the website into other European languages and/or help develop our communication feel free to contact us. VII. THE ORGANISATIONAL TEAMCampaign officer: Peter MatjasicCampaign coordination: Hanneli Ebding, Francesco Ferrero, Richard Laming, Florian Rodeit and Peter Strempel. VIII. HOW TO CONTACT US Referendum on Europe Campaign Secretariat Chaussée de Wavre 214d 1050 Brussels Belgium ]Email: [email protected][To join this e-mailing list, please reply to this e-mail with "subscribe" in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this e-mailing list, please reply to this e-mail with "unsubscribe" in the subject line. ---- Kortom : Europa zal democratisch zijn, of niet zijn (dit initiatief werd reeds eerder aangekondigd). Vanzelfsprekend zal ik de teksten eveneens in het frans, nederlands, duits en Esperanto op het forum zetten. Op deze draad kan je ook diverse url's opgeven (ik zal er nog zelf plaatsen) ove Europese sites, blogs van politici e.d. die rechtstreeks met Europa en de Europese gedachte te maken hebben, alsook over de europese partijen en hun opinies in diverse kwesties. __________________ Deze gebruikersnaam wordt niet meer benut - maar wel mijn werkelijke naam : Roger Verhiest Laatst gewijzigd door 1handclapping : 15 juni 2007 om 09:58.

26 juni 2007, 17:37	#4
1handclapping Europees Commissaris Geregistreerd: 3 juli 2003 Locatie: Antwerpen-Deurne Berichten: 7.132	Kijk : de belgische grondwet is nooit door een volksreferendum goedgekeurd. Derhalve stel ik voor dat het principe "grondwet goed te keuren door een referendum" wordt ingevoerd & laat ons dat dan ook meteen, in elke gemeente afzonderlijk doen.. of in elke provincie ? Om het even, maar wetten en principes moeten gelijk zijn.. watvoor een europese staat geldt, moet ook voor een belgische gelden. Ik ben overigens volkomen akkoord met het feit dat het niet het "woord" grondwet is dat van een verdragstekst een grondwet of een gewoon verdrag maakt. Wat men de burgers nu wil wijsmaken is dat het geven van staatsbevoegdheden aan een internationaal lichaam daar nog geen "staat" van maakt. Er is vast en zeker een "kritische massa" die maakt dat de EU een staat is, indien nu nog niet, dan wel vanaf 2017 bv. Die lidstaten die daar niet van willen weten moeten kunnen uittreden.. dat is precies een van de nieue elementen in de grondwet die geen grondwet maar een verdrag is.. Dus de procedure om van de EU verlost te geraken is simpel : 1° Het verdrag in werking laten treden 2° Volgens art.. voetnoten.. het verdrag voor je land opzeggen. Je kan vanzelfsprekend een referendum organizeren zonder dat dit referendum reeds een wettelijk kader heeft.. het effect zal allesbehalve vrijblijvend zijn.. Het Nederlandse referendum over het verdrag tot instelling van een grondwet was ook niet bindend, de toenmalige Nederlandse regering had het gewoon naast zich kunnen leggen (bij een geringere meerderheid hadden ze het waarschijnlijk ook gedaan). Ik zou in ieder geval aan zulk referendum meewerken - voor de EU tegenstanders en/of de tegenstanders van de voorliggende verdragswijziging die sterk op een grondwet lijkt maar het niet is, is het een gedroomde kans om dat verdrag af te schieten.. kortom men is democraat of men is het niet. Als er bij een aanvaarding van dit Eu staats-en regeringsleiders voorstel een land/natie is die er toch niet van wil weten kunnen ze middels het nieuwe verdrag de unie gerust verlaten... __________________ Deze gebruikersnaam wordt niet meer benut - maar wel mijn werkelijke naam : Roger Verhiest

15 juni 2007, 13:22	#3
Pelgrim Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 30 april 2002 Locatie: Bankrijk Berichten: 49.945	Liever niet. Elk land moet apart een referendum organiseren. Als vijftien landen ja zeggen en tien landen nee worden tien landen verplicht mee te gaan. Die tien landen moeten het recht hebben buiten het vierde Reich te blijven. Die landen die de EU grondwet willen invoeren moeten dat dan maar onderling doen.

26 juni 2007, 18:13	#5
Pelgrim Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 30 april 2002 Locatie: Bankrijk Berichten: 49.945	De meest democratische staat in de wereld blijkt toch weer Venezuela te zijn. Daar werd niet alleen de grondwet via referendum aangenomen, maar werd de grondwetgevende vergadering zélf rechtstreeks verkozen. Van Chavez kunnen de zogenaamde 'democraten' hier dus wel wat leren.