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Oud 15 januari 2007, 21:42   #12181
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De bewijzen voor de schadelijke invloed zijn allesbehalve overtuigend, sommige testen die negatieve gevolgen meenden te ontdekken bleken niet reproduceerbaar.
Wat is rationeel?

Vragen naar bewijzen voor schadelijke invloed is één zienswijze.
Het voorzorgsprincipe toepassen bij gerede twijfel, vind ik (en de grote meerderhied van de mensen, veronderstel ik ) rationeler.

Indien we moeten wachten op bewijzen voor schadelijke invloed zullen we nog veel asbest, tabak, softenon,... -schandalen meemaken in de toekomst.
Decennia te laat.

Over aspartaam ed spreek ik me niet uit.
Ik pas echter wel het voorzorgsprincipe toe, al heeft dat ook veel met smaak te maken: ik vind die dingen niet te drinken.

Ik vind niet dat men iets dergelijks noodzakelijk moet verbieden. Men zou gezondheidsbedenkingen gewoon op de verpakking kunnen zetten, met de relativering dat daarover niets bewezen is. Mensen kunnen zelf kiezen.

GMO's is een ander verhaal: daar prevaleert het voorzorgsprincipe, maar vooral is er een probleem in bv. Europa omdat contaminatie heir quasi niet te vermijden is. Coëxistentie met bv. biologische landbouw is onmogelijk, wat onaanvaardbaar is. Daarnaast kunnen effecten op de genetische soortenvariëteit wel eens onomkeerbaar zijn.

In Amerika en Azië zijn gecontroleerde en streng bewaakte teelten misschien wel mogelijk.
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Oud 18 januari 2007, 08:52   #12182
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Voordat hij aftreedt wil Tony Blair nog enkele nieuwe politiestaat maatregelen erdoor drukken. Het aanleggen van megadatabases, gezichtherkingen, microchipping (voor geestelijk zieken!), etc... De control grid wordt verder opgezet, allemaal onder het mom van de strijd tegen terrorisme, dat ze zelf opzettelijk in stand houden.
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Blair Set To Radically Enhance British Police State
While the non-debate over the next leader continues Blair aims to cement the Big Brother agenda before he leaves

Steve Watson
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Wednesday, January 17, 2007


A series of policy review documents have been published today by the Cabinet Office of the British Government that detail Tony Blair's desire to implement radical "crime tackling" measures that would not look out of place in the most hellish of dictatorship states on the face of the planet.
Blair has said that measures including microchipping the mentally ill and injecting sex offenders with hormones to negate their desires, so called "chemical castration", are aimed at ensuring that a "new New Labour" agenda will take the Government into the next election after he steps down.


Blair announced that the measures were intended to shake up a public that are "getting bored" of the government.
One document, entitled Crime, Justice And Cohesion, says there will have to be "trade-offs" between liberty and security as technology and profiling are used to tackle crime.
The policy paper also calls for the possible implementation of technology such as face and voice recognition, a DNA database, identity cards, and satellite surveillance.


The papers come at a time when Blair is fiercely defending plans to centralise data on all citizens, calling it "sharing data in a sensible way so the customer gets a better service", while critics and opposition MPs are labeling it "a database from the cradle to the grave".

The plans for a central database are nothing new, we have previously highlighted the long term agenda to centralise information into one giant hub that will link into the already existing DNA database and hook up to a national ID card.


Without ANY parliamentary debate or legislation, every person in this country is being targeted for inclusion on a DNA database from birth. Hundreds of thousands of children aged between 10 and 18 have had their DNA added to the database despite never being cautioned or charged for any offence.


The British government has also passed legislation to make every offence arrestable. Under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act, this includes not giving your details if stopped by police. Every suspect arrested, even if proven innocent, has their DNA added to the criminal database and stored forever in perpetuity.


Meanwhile EU officials are crying out for a massive pan-European network of DNA and fingerprint databases which would also be open to the Department of Homeland Security in the US. This does not bode well for anyone who values privacy given that the UK, the most advanced big brother state, is also the biggest critic of such a project.
Medical records would be stored on the database also, as well as on an implantable chip that may be given to anyone considered to be mentally unstable. Under the new mental health act you can be sectioned for mild depression.



Take the recent case of Anna McHugh, who visited her GP after a failed intensive cycle of IVF treatment. She admitted that she was a little depressed and needed some help.


Four hours later she found herself admitted to St Pancras Hospital. Then, having admitted to the attending doctor that she had contemplated suicide, she was sectioned under Section 5.2 of the Mental Health Act and detained in a lock-down ward. When her husband tried to rescue her, she was held in a headlock while a doctor discussed her case with him.
In light of this and many other cases, is it so far fetched to imagine people being forcibly implanted with microchips under the mental health act?
The government doesn't seem to think so.


The paper also notes how Switzerland prescribes heroin rather than the substitute methadone to addicts and prisoners in Texas are forced to wear pink T-shirts to make them look gay.


Blair will be proud to see these things and more associated with his legacy in Britain.
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Oud 18 januari 2007, 12:47   #12183
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Interessant... ligt ook in de lijn met de claims dat de zogenaamde olieschaarste fake is.

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The Diamond Empire: Oppenheimer Family's Cartel, Artificial Scarcity


Ernest Oppenheimer
e Beers is able to create an artificial scarcity of diamonds through its wholly-owned Central Selling Organization (CSO), thus keeping prices high.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartels A cartel is a group of formally independent producers whose goal is to increase their collective profits by means of price fixing, limiting supply, or other restrictive practices.

The US oil and gasoline markets work the same way seeking to restrict the flow of IRAQI oil for example.

http://www.gregpalast.com/the-best-thing-in-the-world-for-big-oil/#more-1468 Now hold on a minute: Why is our government in a “difficult” position if Iraq is a “swing producer” of oil?

The answer was that Saddam was jerking the oil market up and down. One week, without notice, the man in the moustache suddenly announces he’s going to “support the Palestinian intifada” and cuts off all oil shipments. The result: Worldwide oil prices jump up. The next week, Saddam forgets about the Palestinians and pumps to the maximum allowed under the Oil-for-Food Program. The result: Oil prices suddenly dive-bomb. Up, down, up, down. Saddam was out of control.

“Control is what it’s all about,” one oilman told me. “It’s not about getting the oil, it’s about controlling oil’s price.”[/SIZE]
Watch here: (1hr 21 min)

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Oud 18 januari 2007, 16:26   #12184
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House Resolution 33: Recognizing and Honouring Freemasons




'Recognizing the thousands of Freemasons in every State in the Nation and honoring them for their many contributions to the Nation throughout its history.

Whereas Freemasons, whose long lineage extends back to before the Nation's founding, have set an example of high moral standards and charity for all people.
Whereas the Founding Fathers of this great Nation and signers of the Constitution, most of whom were Freemasons, provided a well-rounded basis for developing themselves and others into valuable citizens of the United States.'
Pass the sick bag, please.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=19540


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Oud 18 januari 2007, 16:32   #12185
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Here we goooooooooooooo againnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

niks aan de hand! we zijn veilig! De overheid beschermt ons!!!
sorry moet nu even overgeven




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24 Is Propaganda

'Whether by accident or design, 24 is indoctrinating a generation of Americans into believing that the future of the country will be characterized by paranoia, fear and mass terror, and that the only way to combat such chaos is to give the government unlimited power to "protect" us. Only the government itself can benefit from such brainwashing and that's why the Bush administration and 24 are joined at the hip in a coordinated propaganda assault against the American people.'
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...opaganda24.htm

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Oud 18 januari 2007, 16:33   #12186
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yeck, jaq, gatsie!


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Fox Show "24": Torture on TV

'24 is back on Fox TV -- the hit show starring Kiefer Sutherland, which premiered Sunday night, once again features at least one big torture scene in every episode -- the kind of torture the Bush White House says is necessary to protect us from you-know-who.'
Kenne we vas wenne!

http://www.alternet.org/story/46757/


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Oud 18 januari 2007, 16:36   #12187
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It isn't so!

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Britons to be scanned for FBI database


'Millions of Britons who visit the United States are to have their fingerprints stored on the FBI database alongside those of criminals, in a move that has outraged civil rights groups.

The Observer has established that under new plans to combat terrorism, the US government will demand that visitors have all 10 fingers scanned when they enter the country. The information will be shared with intelligence agencies, including the FBI, with no restrictions on their international use.'
yes it is!!!!


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world...984496,00.html


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Oud 18 januari 2007, 16:37   #12188
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NO! IT ISNT" SO!

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Automatic Scanning Of Every License Plate 'For Crime and Terrorism' Yeah, sure it is. A must watch ...

'Once again a predatory police state society is being created. Police policing everyone now? Searching everyone will be the norm. What's the purpose for this? Mega income generation from catching everyone who has expired tags and or plates?? Of course they will be highlighting the car involved in the robbery, etc. to get the public to support their own enslavement.'
O YES IT IS!!!!

kijken?


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Effe denken wie hier nu zei dat de BBC 'fris' was?


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BBC accused of covering up De Menezes shooting

'The BBC has been accused of covering up the truth after it dropped plans to film a politically sensitive drama about Jean Charles de Menezes who was gunned down by police marksmen at Stockwell Tube station The cousin of the 27-year-old Brazilian electrician said the broadcaster wanted people to "forget" the killing. Jean Charles de Menezes was shot more multiple times on a Victoria Line tube in the wake of the July London bombings two years ago after police mistook him for a terror suspect.
http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?s...nezes_shooting


Hmmm


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The Real Face of the European Union

'The EU has been sold to Britain as our best hope for the future . . . But behind the scenes, has another, more unsettling agenda been unfolding? The European Economic Community (EEC) began for Britain as a free-trade agreement in 1972. Today's European Union is well on its way to becoming a federal superstate, complete with one currency, one legal system, one military, one police force and even its own national anthem.'
helemaal gratis kijken

And so on and so forth


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And.....of we goooooooooooooooooo



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Euro displaces dollar in bond markets

'The euro has displaced the US dollar as the world’s pre-eminent currency in international bond markets, having outstripped the dollar-denominated market for the second year in a row.'

Destroy the dollar and it helps you to replace it with the Amero, the currency of the planned North American Union.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/572b41a6-a41...0779e2340.html


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The Diamond Empire: The Oppenheimer (Rothschild) family cartel

'De Beers is able to create an artificial scarcity of diamonds through its wholly-owned Central Selling Organization (CSO), thus keeping prices high. A cartel is a group of formally independent producers whose goal is to increase their collective profits by means of price fixing, limiting supply, or other restrictive practices

film at eleven

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don't think we are no Target here!


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Cheney admits expanded military spying role inside US


'US Vice-President Dick Cheney has admitted that the US military and CIA have been spying on the financial dealings of Americans -- intelligence gathering normally authorized only by civilian policing agencies.

The New York Times broke the story overnight, reporting that the Department of Defense and Central Intelligence Agency had been using "national security letters" to obtain the banking and credit records of Americans and foreigners suspected of terrorist activities in the United States.'

lezen?

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Ach, man, zet vlug uw zilverpapieren hoedje op, zoals deze pipo hier:

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Ach, man, zet vlug uw zilverpapieren hoedje op, zoals deze pipo hier:

Dat zilverpapier is een manipulatie van de media dat dit zou werken !!!

De NWO heeft hier al lang een oplossing voor of een andere geheime methode alleen is deze zo geheim dat alleen ingewijden deze weten.

Je snapt het niet he . Alumium hoedjes verkopen->fluor als afval->giftige tandpasta->mensen ziek maken->voordelig voor de NWO.

Tot zover deze cynische reply

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Oud 19 januari 2007, 09:13   #12196
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Ze willen de dissidente stemmen smoren.... weeral een aanval op internet en mensen die kritische informatie versprienden ermee.
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Bloggers Who Criticize Government May Face Prison

Bill would allow rounding up and imprisoning of non-registered political writers
Steve Watson

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Thursday, January 18, 2007
You'd be forgiven for thinking that it was some new restriction on free speech in Communist China. But it isn't. The U.S. Government wants to force bloggers and online grassroots activists to register and regularly report their activities to Congress in the latest astounding attack on the internet and the First Amendment.
Richard A. Viguerie, Chairman of GrassrootsFreedom.com, a website dedicated to fighting efforts to silence grassroots movements, states:
"Section 220 of S. 1, the lobbying reform bill currently before the Senate, would require grassroots causes, even bloggers, who communicate to 500 or more members of the public on policy matters, to register and report quarterly to Congress the same as the big K Street lobbyists. Section 220 would amend existing lobbying reporting law by creating the most expansive intrusion on First Amendment rights ever. For the first time in history, critics of Congress will need to register and report with Congress itself."
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Gordon Brown , de kandidaat eerste minister in de U.K als opvolger van Tony Blair, heeft gisteren in een speech een van zijn visies uiteengezet. Een ervan is een nieuwe wereld orde (in zijn eigen woorden). Laat het duidelijk zijn wie hij dient....



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"We can help to build things and shape this new world order in a way that is good for Britain and British values," he said.


Earlier, when he and Alistair Darling, the Trade and industry secretary, visited companies which have invested in Britain and British companies, Mr Brown trumpeted the strength of the British-Indian partnership.
Speaking to the Confederation of Indian Industry in Bangalore on his first visit to the sub-continent, he challenged institutions to reform to meet the needs of this century.


He pointed out that the institutions had dealt with the demands of the world during the Cold War, but now needed to change to meet the demands of the modern world.


He said: "I believe that it is only now, as we see the impact of globalisation, that we can also imagine the full shape of the emerging new world order - a new world economic, political and social order, driven forward not just by considerations of the balance of military strength and ordinary political power, but by the seismic shift in social and economic power brought forward by globalisation."
http://infowars.net/articles/january...07_b_Brown.htm
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hey exodus
afschaffen van democratie en technocratie invoeren is ook een nieuwe wereldorde hoor. Zijn we een goeie discussie in Europa sectie over aant voeren. Ben ik nu ook aanhanger gezien ik democratie uitmaak?

Alles wat strookt met het huidige wereldbeeld is een nieuwe wereldorde. Er valt zoveel onder dat begrip. Als je iedereen die iets anders dan het huidig systeem wilt NWO fanaat noemt...
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hey exodus
afschaffen van democratie en technocratie invoeren is ook een nieuwe wereldorde hoor. Zijn we een goeie discussie in Europa sectie over aant voeren. Ben ik nu ook aanhanger gezien ik democratie uitmaak?

Alles wat strookt met het huidige wereldbeeld is een nieuwe wereldorde. Er valt zoveel onder dat begrip. Als je iedereen die iets anders dan het huidig systeem wilt NWO fanaat noemt...
Valt te bezien hoe jij jouw NWO omschrijft
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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door 2004gun Bekijk bericht
Valt te bezien hoe jij jouw NWO omschrijft
Als de chaostheorie alleen beetje ingewikkelder en uitgebreider.

Post er later wel iets over, als ik kan replyen op iemands visie.
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