De nieuwe wereld orde

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door La Chunga

U moet dringend leren begrijpend lezen. Dat is altijd wel voor iets nuttig. Bijvoorbeeld het vermijden van veralgemeningen. Wanneer wordt gesteld 'adepten van' dan betekent dit niet dat iedereen adept is van deze of gene pineut. Geen dank, Akufen.

Niemand is hier een adept van eender wie ook. Kijk eens naar de politiek en zie dan waar het meest aan "verafgoding" wordt gedaan.

[Gun]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door La Chunga

Wij doen ons best onze gasten een gezonde, kritische houding bij te brengen zodat de kans dat ze worden verleid door dromerijen en leugens wordt geminimaliseerd.
Mochten ze desondanks toch NWO-adepten worden, dan is dat maar zo.

Tja, en dan gaat ge hen de BH van Vilvoorde ook moeten laten splitsen

[Akufen]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door La Chunga

Oh neen, jij bent er zo eentje die discussieert om te discussiëren. Nu goed, dat mag! Amuseer je verder.

En jij bent er duidelijk eentje die graag mensen beschuldigd van één van uw favoriete bezigheden, fantaseren.

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De mainstream media, één pot nat, ook in België:

http://www.indymedia.be/nl/node/6862

[Babylonia]

Bagwan is in een ding geslaagd
Hij heeft mensen leren inzien dat blind vertrouwen geven aan het gezag niet goed is voor jezelf.
dat was zijn missie.
ik heb altijd plat gelegen van het lachen met zijn 'volgelingen'
die t niet doorhadden...en zichzelf opgaven voor andere mans idealen en rolls
juste als nu
heel dat pak leugens van onze neo liberale gurus niet doorzien word
american dream freedom and democratie
money money money
rolls rolls rolls rolls rolls
luister naar mijn woorden
kijk niet naar mijn daden
pas als je door hebt dat er veel mooie loze praats verkocht worden over heel de wereld en dat diezelfde mensen hun eigen woorden niet in de praktijk brengen dan word je vrij. integendeel. Ze gebruiken hun woorden om u te misleiden, als rookgordijn voor hun MISDAAD te verbergen.
Net als bagwan
Dat wilde hij de mensen doen inzien.....
heb ik begrepen....

[Pindar]

Honours row deepens as Blair's secret e-mail network is revealed

'Downing Street has a second, hacker-proof e-mail system running alongside the normal No 10 network, Whitehall sources revealed Friday night. The software was ordered by Labour Party chiefs to allow confidential messages to be sent and is so secure it has been used by the Israeli military. The disclosure raises suspicions that the parallel system may have been used to covertly discuss the awarding of knighthoods and peerages to those who have donated

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

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Hier een interview met een getuige die de UFO gezien heeft op de Chicago O"hare ariport waar er hier onlangs al een par keer over gesproken is:

Interview:

Jane Doe (requested anonymity), Gary, Indiana : “A friend and I had gone to O’Hare to the international terminal to pick up a friend of ours who we went to school with. He is a pilot on a run that brings him from France to the U. S. We had gone to pick him up as we have done every few months. In fact, I’m at O’Hare at least two or three times a month picking up assorted friends and dropping them off.

His plane was due in close to 5 p.m. We got there a bit early and were going to park in international. But I never take interstates when possible. I was born in the Washington, D. C. area and there is a beltway there that is an anathema to me. So, I try to take surface streets and I always cut through Chicago rather than take the interstate. So, I was taking
Irving Park over to Manheim Blvd., which runs directly into O’Hare Airport. Where I turn onto Manheim, you only have a couple of blocks to go before the airport and airport property starts right around you then.
From when I turned onto Manheim, there was road work so I was attendant to that. And as soon as I put my attention forward at the airport, I saw it (disk in sky). It was very low. The cloud cover that day was very low as well. It was a uniform cloud cover. It was not like there was a cloud here and there. It was a uniform gray sky all day. I saw this object.
The object was ahead of me and to the left, very north-northwest of where I was and also very close within several blocks of me. I wanted to keep watching the object, so when I pulled off to go to the international terminal parking lot, I pulled into a part of the lot where I could keep watching this thing. Once we parked in the parking lot and got out and started looking at it, there were already some other people who were looking at it. Then for those who weren’t, if they walked near anybody who was watching, those people pointed it out in the sky. There had to be at least two dozen people that I know were watching it at that (international terminal parking lot) location.

Description of Aerial Object

"There was a lustrous quality to it like a pearl that almost made
the metal seem like warm and soft and fuzzy instead of a hard, metallic object."

Its appearance was unusual because it seemed very reflective of color, almost mirror-like. Yet, at the same time it did not impress me as being a highly polished thing. There are some things about the surface of this thing that I can’t really express in words. It in no way gave the appearance of a highly mirrored object, yet I could tell when I saw it on Manheim Blvd., for example, that the object looked more to me like the cell phone photograph (disc in upper right of photo and O’Hare Airport in bottom left with angled horizon).

When I was on Manheim Blvd. at an angle that showed me more of the side of the craft, that’s really the closest thing to what I saw (first cell phone image). It had that same light on top and darkening on the bottom, which when I got into a position in the parking lot and could see the bottom of the thing more that was even more clear as a dark gray bottom effect under it. But it had kind of a pearly quality from the side when the light was more fully on it.

When I was at the international terminal, I could get more of an underneath angle and from there it looked like a darker gray and you could see it was a much lighter color up towards the top. I got the feeling that the shadow on the bottom had something to do with reflectivity of the object.
I got the sense the craft was rotating somewhat rapidly in a counterclockwise motion. I just caught this motion that wasn’t just random distortion around it – there seemed to be a cyclical pattern involved. It didn’t really seem to wobble, unless it was such a fast wobble that accounts for the lack of sharpness of the object.

COULD YOU ESTIMATE ITS DIAMETER?

I thought at the time from the side was it was probably around 25 feet in diameter at most, just based on my proximity to the two angles I saw it (from Manheim Blvd. and from the international parking lot). And I would guess it was about 6 to 8 feet in its height at the highest point.

SIX TO EIGHT FEET HIGH AND TWENTY-FIVE FEET IN DIAMETER. COULD YOU EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THE USE OF PEARLY SURFACE?

There was something about the surface – I don’t know if it was caused by the rotation – but on the one hand it seemed to mirror whatever sources of light and shadow were around it. Yet, at the same time, it didn’t strike me as a highly polished metallic surface.

YET, IT APPEARED LIKE THE LUSTRE OF A PEARL?

Exactly. There was a lustrous quality to it like a pearl that almost made the metal seem like warm and soft and fuzzy instead of a hard, metallic object.

AND IT WAS DEFINITELY SPINNING COUNTERCLOCKWISE?

That is my impression. It seemed there was a rhythmic motion, very rapid, but consistent in a counterclockwise direction.

WOULD YOU SAY IT WAS EGG-SHAPED OR ANOTHER SHAPE?

I would not say egg-shaped because the elliptical part of it was really even, whereas an egg is kind of bigger on one side than the other. This was more an even shape, but a very curved shape. I know some of the people who first described it said it looked like a Frisbee. But a Frisbee is a lot flatter than this was. It was not the stereotypical disc. There was a lot more structure to it than that.

IF AN EGG WERE EVEN PROPORTIONED, WOULD THE DISK HAVE BEEN EGG-SHAPED IN THAT DEFINITION?

Yes, a bit more when seen from the side. When seen from underneath or at the angle I saw from the parking lot, you could kind of get a more disc-like look from it.

SO IT WAS ROUND, BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERHAPS LIKE AN EXPANDED DISC, TALLER.

Exactly. It would have to be taller in the middle with no serious sharp angles at the end – just rounded curve at the sides, rather than the usual saucer-on-saucer straight edge kind of joint.

Round Craft Below Low Cloud Ceiling

HOW HIGH WAS IT ABOVE YOU AS YOU STOOD WATCHING IT IN THE PARKING LOT?

I wasn’t directly underneath it by a long shot. I was at an angle to it at that point. Where I stopped, I was looking close to due west, but that still put it over the main terminal airport area. But I was well under a quarter mile from it. I estimated at the time that the clouds were probably around 1800 feet high.

I THINK OFFICIALLY IT WAS CLOSER TO 1500 FEET.

It was a very low ceiling day and this thing was below the clouds. I wouldn’t say it was much below the clouds.

LET’S SAY THEN THAT IT WAS LESS THAN A QUARTER MILE FROM WHERE YOU ALL WERE IN THE INTERNATIONAL PARKING LOT AND MAYBE AT ABOUT 1,000 FEET?

Yes, I would say 1,000 to 1,200 feet. It was a little under the cloud level. It was a hazy day, as well, though. But it was not foggy. Visibility was not that great, but within that quarter-mile distance, it was perfect. You couldn’t mistake what you were seeing.

Many Watched for At Least
10 Minutes and Took Photographs

We watched it from the international parking lot for about ten minutes (and about 5 more minutes before while driving). There were many people there taking photos – cell phones and digital cameras. So, there ARE pictures out there.
One gentleman was in a little group that had clustered around where I was standing, he had a digital camera and he was planning to pick up relatives “from the old country.” He hadn’t seen them in years, so he had taken his camera to photograph them. He stood there just shooting photo after photo after photo. There are many photographs out there. That is part of my purpose in contacting AboveTopSecret.com about this because it had people doing research on the photos and a core group of them sounded serious enough that I decided it can’t hurt to email and talk to you and say to other people: ‘This story is not going to die. And you’re not necessarily going to be considered a freak. And look, you can do this anonymously. Please get the photos out!’
This was the most plainly visible event and for it to be coming down at an airport like O’Hare in the daytime, very obviously not caring who is watching – and indeed might be soliciting observations! I really thought the thing was going to land. You realized when you were watching it that if that happens, everything is going to be different from now on, every single thing in the world!’
I really thought that whatever is in that thing – and believe me, there was no mistaking it for a lenticular cloud or any weather phenomena (Federal Aviation Administration tried to dismiss the multiple eyewitness sighting as a weather phenomenon). This was very clearly something solid, something metallic, and something under control.

Atmosphere Disturbed Around Aerial Craft
"It was almost visually like if you were watching a distant cloud of gnats.
You would not be able to see the gnats, but you would be
able to see the impression of motion."
YOU DESCRIBED THAT IT WAS SPINNING. COULD YOU SEE ANY KIND OF DISTORTION IN THE AIR AROUND IT?
Yes, there was distortion very close to the craft. It did not at any point expand out from it that I saw. It was very close to the craft. It was almost as if you could see constant motion in the air very close to it.
It almost seemed like the air was excited around it – that there was motion in it. It was almost visually like if you were watching a distant cloud of gnats. You would not be able to see the gnats, but you would be able to see the impression of motion. It was kind of like that around the object.

Disc Punched Hole Through Clouds

"The hole was there. Everybody was just open-mouthed
that the craft did go through the clouds. People gasped. Several people
screamed because nobody had anticipated motion."
When it did take off, it went from basically zero to God only knows how fast. There was no acceleration. It just went. It did punch a hole through the clouds. [ See 010207 Earthfiles. ] I wasn’t directly underneath the hole. It kind of angled in our direction slightly to the east, I believe. It did leave a hole and it didn’t even seem that the clouds moved as it punched through. But then after it was gone, they began filling back in. That was it. The hole was there. Everybody was just open-mouthed that the craft did go through the clouds. People gasped. Several people screamed because nobody had anticipated motion. At that point, most of us had been watching it for at least a few minutes at that point.

SEVERAL FOR TEN MINUTES.

At least because there were several people who were watching it when I got into the parking lot.

AND YOU WERE THERE FOR AT LEAST TEN MINUTES.

I was there for about ten minutes and I had seen it on Manheim Blvd for about three or four minutes earlier. So, overall from when I first saw it to when it punched a hole in the clouds, probably thirteen to fourteen minutes.

YOU WERE SEEING IT STATIONARY WITH A SPINNING QUALITY AND THIS GNAT-LIKE DISTURBANCE OF THE ATMOSPHERE AROUND IT, WHEN IT MOVED, WAS IT JUST A STRAIGHT SHOT UP? WHAT HAPPENED?

From a dead stop, suddenly you saw the motion. You saw it go up those few hundred feet, but it was almost so fast that you couldn’t even process it until after it was gone. There was no acceleration. No noise that I could tell. But there were jet engines and there was the heavily trafficked road between us and the object. But there really seemed to be no noise that I could perceive from it. Probably the United workers fairly well under it could tell better on that.
It just at a slight angle in our direction, which would have been slightly east, it just was gone!

THE HOLE WAS INSTANTANEOUS?

Instantaneous.

COULD YOU SEE BLUE SKY THROUGH IT?

I wasn’t under the hole right under it to see that. I could not see blue sky, but I could see the hole, the shadow. I could see there was a hole there. I do know that some people took photos of that. I can’t tell you how much I want to see the photos that I know are out there coming out to the public. There were plenty of people with digital cameras. And there were several cars that stopped on Manheim Blvd. which is a very busy road at that time of day who had stopped who were taking photos of the object. There have to be at least several dozen photographs of this thing out there.
This was the most impactful sighting I can imagine, unless it had dropped down completely to the ground and entities got out! I cannot imagine what it would take to be more convincing to anyone than seeing this object. There was no way it was anything other than a solid metallic object, (spinning counterclockwise)."

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o yes!

Chips push through nano-barrier

'The next milestone in the relentless pursuit of smaller, higher performance microchips has been unveiled. Chip-maker Intel has announced that it will start manufacturing processors using transistors just 45 nanometres (billionths of a metre) wide.'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6299147.stm


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How low can you go: Babies 'removed from families to meet targets'

'The MPs fear a rise in the number of young children being taken into care in England and Wales is linked to pressure on councils to increase adoption rates. Lib Dem MP John Hemming, who has tabled a Commons motion on the issue, said it was a "national scandal".'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6297573.stm



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[Pindar]

potverrrrr

Pentagon PSYOPs directed against DC anti-war marchers

'First, the corporate media attempted to ignore the January 27th anti-war march on Washington. As the Internet and progressive talk radio spread the word about the march and groups around the nation began to mobilize their members to participate in it, the Bush administration -- now armed with all sorts of Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) "non-lethal" toys, decided to stage a test of an anti-crowd microwave weapon, code named "Sheriff," in a demonstration for the media at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia.'

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

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[Pindar]

Here ye go!

Deciphering of earliest Semitic text reveals talk of snakes and spells

'Deciphering of earliest Semitic text reveals talk of snakes and spells A 5,000-year-old Semitic text dealing with magical spells and snakes has been deciphered from an ancient Egyptian pyramid inscription, the Hebrew University of Jerusalem announced Monday.

The texts, which were first discovered a century ago in a 24th Century BCE Egyptian pyramid, are the earliest continuous Semitic texts ever to have been deciphered, said Semitic languages Prof. Richard Steiner of New York's Yeshiva University in a premiere presentation at the Hebrew University. The passages, serpent spells written in hieroglyphic characters, are estimated to have been written between the 25th to the 30th centuries BCE'

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...ticle/ShowFull


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Hier nog een goed stuk over hoe mensen die geloven in de NWO behandelt worden, en de zwakte van de argumenten van de "tegenstanders", en waarom ze er niet in willen geloven.

Why is it that virtually all "reputable" scholars and mass media columnists and commentators reject the cause and effect or conspiratorial theory of history? Primarily, most scholars follow the crowd in the academic world just as most women follow fashions. To buck the tide means social and professional ostracism. The same is true of the mass media. While professors and pontificators profess to be tolerant and broadminded, in practice it's strictly a one way street-with all traffic flowing left. A Maoist can be tolerated by Liberals of Ivory Towerland or by the Establishment's media pundits, but to be a conservative, and a conservative who propounds a conspiratorial view, is absolutely verboten. Better you should be a drunk at a national WCTU convention!


Secondly, these people have over the years acquired a strong vested emotional interest in their own errors. Their intellects and egos are totally committed to the accidental theory. Most people are highly reluctant to admit that they have been conned or have shown poor judgment. To inspect the evidence of the existence of a conspiracy guiding our political destiny from behind the scenes would force many of these people to repudiate a lifetime of accumulated opinions. It takes a person with strong character indeed to face the facts and admit he has been wrong even if it was because he was uninformed. Such was the case with the author of this book. It was only because he set out to prove the conservative anti-Communists wrong that he happened to end up writing this book. His initial reaction to the conservative point of view was one of suspicion and hostility; and it was only after many months of intensive research that he had to admit that he had been "conned."

The most effective weapons used against the conspiratorial theory of history are ridicule and satire. These extremely potent weapons can be cleverly used to avoid any honest attempt at refuting the facts. After all, nobody likes to be made fun of. Rather than be ridiculed most people will keep quiet; and, this subject certainly does lend itself to ridicule and satire.


One technique which can be used is to expand the conspiracy to the extent it becomes absurd. For instance, our man from the Halls of Poison Ivy might say in a scoffingly arrogant tone, "I suppose you believe every liberal professor gets a telegram each morning from conspiracy headquarters containing his orders for the day's brainwashing of his students?" Some conspiratorialists do indeed overdraw the picture by expanding the conspiracy (from the small clique which it is) to include every local knee-jerk liberal activist and government bureaucrat. Or, because of racial or religious bigotry, they will take small fragments of legitimate evidence and expand them into a conclusion that will support their particular prejudice, i.e., the conspiracy is totally "Jewish," "Catholic," or "Masonic". These people do not help to expose the conspiracy, but, sadly play into the hands of those who want the public to believe that all conspiratorialists are screwballs.


"Intellectuals" are fond of mouthing cliches like "The conspiracy theory is often tempting. However, it is overly simplistic." To ascribe absolutely everything that happens to the machinations of a small group of power hungry conspirators is overly simplistic. But, in our opinion nothing is more simplistic than doggedly holding onto the accidental view of major world events.

[La Chunga]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Hier nog een goed stuk over hoe mensen die geloven in de NWO behandelt worden, en de zwakte van de argumenten van de "tegenstanders", en waarom ze er niet in willen geloven.

Bron?

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door La Chunga

Bron?

None dare call it conspiracy van Gary Allen uit 1971.

Staat trouwens gratis te lezen op internet.

[Gun]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Hier nog een goed stuk over hoe mensen die geloven in de NWO behandelt worden, en de zwakte van de argumenten van de "tegenstanders", en waarom ze er niet in willen geloven.

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Bovenstaande stuk is volgens mij een van de cruxen (niet de enige maar toch een belangrijke) van waarom mensen de NWO niet willen accepteren:

Secondly, these people have over the years acquired a strong vested emotional interest in their own errors. Their intellects and egos are totally committed to the accidental theory. Most people are highly reluctant to admit that they have been conned or have shown poor judgment.

Het is inderdaad zo dat velen, als ze de NWO als waar moeten aannemen, impliciet voor zichzelf moeten toegeven dat ze het eerst niet "doorhadden", dat ze misleidt zijn geweest en inderdaad "poor judgement hadden" op bepaalde punten. Vooral voor diegene met grote ego's kan dat wel eens ene probleem zijn.

[parcifal]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Het is inderdaad zo dat velen, als ze de NWO als waar moeten aannemen, impliciet voor zichzelf moeten toegeven dat ze het eerst niet "doorhadden", dat ze misleidt zijn geweest en inderdaad "poor judgement hadden" op bepaalde punten. Vooral voor diegene met grote ego's kan dat wel eens ene probleem zijn.

Je slaat ernaar als een blinde naar een piñata.

Het is nog altijd heel, heel eenvoudig : als je een case kan maken, maak
dan je case. Maar door te zwammen, wat je nu al zoveel maand doet,
overtuig je niemand met enig kritische terughoudendheid.

Poor judgement kan ik met zekerheid bewijzen bij jou en Pindar, de pot verwijt de ketel dus dat ie zwart ziet.

En about ego's : dat is irrelevant.
Als a en b factueel worden vastgesteld en leiden tot c, dan zal ik dat aanvaarden. No matter wat mijn eigen ideen daarrond zijn.
Dat noemen ze objectiviteit en die is heus wel aanwezig.

Als er een biologisch onderzoeker is die een taxonomisch rapport opstelt van een blauw wezentje met een witte puntmuts die meer dan geregeld het woord 'smurf' gebruikt, en dat rapport wordt geverifieerd door peers, dan zal ik dat aanvaarden.
Ook al heb ik het niet echt voor smurfen en heb ik mij al eerder sceptisch uitgelaten over de mogelijkheid van hun bestaan.

Catch my drift?

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Interessante voordracht van David Icke, deel 3 van "Secrets of the matrix". Interessant, zeker ook voor disbelievers, omdat hij hier o.a over reptielen praat. Zo kan men het eens horen uit zijn eigen mond met de nodige uitleg erbij. Ook praat hij over andere dimensies en de uiteindelijke aard van onze realiteit.

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?doc...+of+the+matrix

[Akufen]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door parcifal

En about ego's : dat is irrelevant.
Als a en b factueel worden vastgesteld en leiden tot c, dan zal ik dat aanvaarden. No matter wat mijn eigen ideen daarrond zijn.

a) temperatuur staal te laag
b) schade impact te klein
c) instorting zéér snel
d) beton ging zo goed als volledig over in stof, bij zwaartekracht is dit onmogelijk
e) kracht aanwezig die stalen kolommen kon wegslingeren
f) typische demolitie "squibs"
g) "voetprint-instorting" ondanks kanteling bij begin van instorting
h) enorme rookontwikkeling met hete gassen bij instorting
i) verpulvering tot minuscule deeltjes van vrijwel alles binnenin te toren
j) WTC7 vertoont klassieke demolitie kenmerken, implosie ipv WTC1/2 explosie
k) "incendiary" gevonden
l) eerste 3 stalen hoogbouwen die volledig instorten na brand.

"ik weet van geen bewijzen"