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![]() Dat je niet met sommige ideeën in deze thread instemd kan ik gerust geloven, maar met uitspraken zoals deze bewijs je dat het niet willen zien is ipv niet zien.
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![]() Wat ik inzie is dat er mensen zijn die zó graag bepaalde zaken w?*llen geloven dat ze ieder gerucht voor wáár aannemen.
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Nou moe! Daaruit blijkt alleen maar dat je maar wat schreeuwt en niks leest! Voor de zoveelste keer, ik en anderen willen dit helemaal niet geloven!!!! Hadden we maar ongelijk! ach laat maar eigenlijk, parels en zwijnen! Pin d'Ar |
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Wie zonder enig spoor van bewijs bepaalde zaken aanneemt w?*l ze blijkbaar aannemen. |
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bv in deze thread staan zat quotes van politici waarin "nwo-new world order" staat. En erzijn zat bewijzen,zoals iemand hierboven schreef, mischien wil je het niet zien, en mischien heb je een andere agenda, maar mischien verveel je je gewoon, want inhoudlijk zijn je laatste postings echt helemaal niks. Maar goed, verder vind ik dat je gewoon recht op je eigen mening hebt, dus tsja. wat doe je hier dan? Pin d'Ar |
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Ik ben zelf een van die mensen die vindt dat die New World Order er moet komen en wel dringend omdat een aantal problemen (demografisch, klimatologisch, armoede en ziekte-epidemien, migratie en emigratie) niet voldoende (kunnen) worden aangepakt met de huidige world order. Er moet dus een verandering komen in bestuursstructuren, internationale instellingen en in de mentaliteit van mensen om meer globaal te denken en te handelen. In een globale wereld zijn immers de problemen van andere mensen en landen meer en meer ook onze problemen. De oude wereld met zijn muren en barrieres (gesymboliseerd door het ijzeren gordijn) is voorbijgestreefd. De huidige wereld is globaal en open : mensen, goederen en informatie zijn niet meer gebonden door locatie maar zijn vrij beschikbaar en verplaatsbaar. De nieuwe wereld orde dient net om deze nieuwe werkelijkheid te beheersen en de problemen die er ontegensprekelijk mee samenhangen aan te pakken. Niet evolueren naar een nieuwe structuur staat gelijk aan ons eigen graf delven. Pindar en Exodus lijken me dan ook grafdelvers par excellence. Gelukkig bewijzen gebeurtenissen zoals Live Earth, de concerten voor hulp aan Afrika en Tsunami-slachtoffers en dergelijke dat er wel degelijk een globaal bewustzijn groeit. De azijnpissers ten spijt : Leve de komende Nieuwe Wereld Orde!!! ![]() Laatst gewijzigd door parcifal : 15 juli 2007 om 10:35. |
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indrukwekkende speech SPEECH BY : THE PRIME MINISTER OF MALAYSIA DATO SERI DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD PLACE : DURBAN, SOUTH AFRICA DATE : 02/09/1998 FUCTION : THE 12th CONFERENCE OF THE HEADS OF STATE OR HEADS OF GOVERNMENT OF THE NON-ALIGNED COUNTRIES (NAM) When NAM was founded in 1961 the world was divided into two blocs, into Eastern and Western camps, into Communists and non-Communists. It was an unstable world, with the nuclear powers accumulating the weapons of mass destruction sufficient to blow up this world. It was a world perpetually on the brink of war. We the weak third world countries lived in a state of trepidation and fear. We felt a need to come together to protect our mostly recently gained independence, our hopes and aspirations. We did not want to be aligned with any of the blocs but to retain our freedom of choice, our own systems of Government, our rights as sovereign nations. In this we felt we could succeed because we were in many instances being wooed by both East and West. We had the option to align ourselves with one or the other. And that option forced the two blocs to treat us with a modicum of consideration. Both were ready to extend help, to give aid and loans and gifts etc. Their courting enabled us to retain our precious independence. We were, I believe, a little bit spoilt because of the courting. Then the Eastern block decided to throw in the towel. They surrendered unconditionally and a bipolar world became unipolar overnight. Some of us liked to believe that the more humane and righteous bloc won. Dictatorships were out and enlightened democracy apparently triumphed. Surely we would be seeing a better world, a world where human rights are respected, where the rule of law prevails internationally and nationally. We would see a world of free countries exercising their rights freely. But I think we are wrong. The loss of the option to defect has exposed us to threats from which we find nowhere to hide. We have to submit or we would be bludgeoned into submission. We have seen ample demonstrations of the kind of things that can happen to those who fail to submit. I will not elaborate but suffice to say that we and our people, innocent or otherwise, are no longer safe. An eye for an eye is said to be the basis of Muslim justice, but for the vengeful powers one eye is not sufficient. Two or more eyes can be exacted for the loss of one. It does not matter if the eyes belong to the innocent. The important thing is to teach the world a lesson. Submit or be damned. But physical assault is not the only weapon of the powerful. A new weapon has been found which is even more effective. Merely by devaluing the currency of a nation and so impoverishing it, submission can be obtained even from the proudest and the most independent of nations. The highly successful dragons and tigers of East Asia have now found how flimsy are their great economies. They had thought that their mastery of industrial technologies and management skills would enable them to grow into developed nations, able to compete in the market place with the most developed nations of the Western bloc. But in a few months their decades of achievements have been destroyed and they are reduced to begging for help. When we achieved independence the world believed in the sovereignty of nation-states. Proudly we maintained that our internal affairs and our internal policies are our own to determine. Our former colonisers should leave us alone. While the Cold War lasted they did. But once the Cold War was over the triumphant victors began to enunciate new concepts of international relations which could give them back their dominant imperial role. After the Gulf War demonstrated that indeed there is now only one power , a new concept of international relations was introduced. Briefly no country is sovereign if that country is judged by the Western bloc to have breached their norms of correct behaviour. Initially violation of human rights is expected to warrant interference in the internal affairs of independent nations. Very quickly the right to interfere extended to political and economic systems or policies. Now every nation must adopt the so-called free and open market system which will enable the rich and avaricious capitalists of the Western nations to enter and leave any country at will. They can own and set up banks and businesses everywhere and anywhere unfettered by the national needs and aspirations of any nation. They must be free to revalue and devalue currencies and shares unimpeded by Government rules, laws and regulations. They will control and determine the exchange rates of all currencies anywhere, anytime. But the world must not know who they are and how they work. While they require Governments to be open and transparent, they themselves will remain shadowy and their operation closed to inspection. The countries of the world have two choices, submit or be impoverished by having their currencies devalued and their share markets destroyed. Unfortunately whether they submit or they don't the result is the same. From being stable and prosperous they will now become poverty- stricken and beset with political and social turmoil. Today more than 25 million workers in the countries attacked by these capitalists(George Soros!) have lost their jobs. This means that they have no food, no medicine and no milk for their children. For this the blame is put squarely on the Governments of these countries for not providing a safety net in the form of unemployment benefits. And so millions of workers in East Asia are now unemployed because the countries are being forced to accept the so-called superior Western practices. With tens of thousands of businesses and many scores of banks folding up Governments are now without adequate revenue to pay wages and fund public works. The loans they have been forced to take will ensure that for decades to come they will be debt slaves to the rich in the world. The protests of the victims are not only ignored but they are actually censored by the international media controlled by the West. Apparently freedom of speech and the press is not for everyone. Logically globalisation and a borderless world should mean not just a free flow of capital across borders but also of people. Yet the proponents of a borderless world object strongly to the free flow of people into their countries. The tendency of the rich and the powerful to interpret everything to their advantage is not confined to countering alleged terrorism and the markets of the world. It extends into ideology and systems of decision making and Governments. Thus the world is being told and indeed being pressured into the acceptance of liberal democracy and the will of the majority. Those who fail to accept democratic practices of the most liberal kind are subjected to harassments, sanctions, bad-mouthing by the media and a variety of threats and pressures. That such acts are actually undemocratic do not bother the liberal democrats of the first world. Thus leaders of independent nations are kidnapped and tried under laws which they never subscribed to, harbours are mined and economic sanctions applied unilaterally. Yet in the United Nations there is not the slightest semblance of democracy. Anyone of five countries can veto the will of the majority, in fact can do anything they like in the name of the Organisation simply because they won a war fifty years ago. And so one country can reject the will of six billion inhabitants of this planet while demanding that other countries accept liberal democracy. They see no contradiction in their stand. The interpretations of the United Nations' Resolutions have been appropriated by a few powers in the United Nations Security Council. The United Nations General Assembly is totally ignored and bypassed. And so the United Nations' Resolutions in favour of their proteges are upheld while those in favour of the countries not categorised as their clients are either misinterpreted or ignored. The United Nations is a great concept but it was formed by an exclusive club of Nations who presumed they had a monopoly of the right to determine the shape of this world forever because they won World War II. It was an example of justice according to the victors. Such justice is obviously biased. But nevertheless they will resist any reform of the United Nations which might impinge upon their right to use the United Nations to legitimise their national policies. Democratic processes are no argument for them to change their stance. They and in particular the most powerful among them will do just what they like in the furtherance of their national policies. (...) fifty years of being free, largely on account of the Eastern and Western blocs confronting each other, our freedom is being eroded and colonialism is coming back. Of course it is not going to take the same form, but it is colonialism all the same. The strong and the mighty will quite literally rule us, determine our fate and our roles in the international scheme of things. Poor as we are we will be exploited even as in the past they exploited us. Our only hope lies in staying together. The relevance of being non-aligned in a unipolar world may be questioned. But there are any number of reasons for us to stay together. Divided one by one we will succumb. But in unity there is a chance that we will survive and possibly retain our integrity and independence. We now know that the weapons to be used against us are not just military force but also economic forces. The assaults through economic forces are more subtle but are no less damaging and effective compared with military assaults. We need to know about the economic forces that may be used and how we may defend ourselves. As with the struggle against colonisation, the time may come when the good elements among the powerful will see the injustice of their ways and throw their weight behind us. It may take a long time as indeed colonialism took a long time to be condemned. But God Willing, the day will come when justice will triumph. Until then let us keep NAM alive and let us do what we can for ourselves. |
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![]() Idd een interessante bijdrage !! Maar elkeen met een nuchtere perceptie ziet dit toch .. ![]() Laatst gewijzigd door blabylonia : 15 juli 2007 om 20:22. |
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Jij die hier al 'maanden' zeurt om argumenten die het bestaan van een New World Order zouden bewijzen, ten spijt van al die quotes, massa's informatie over gelieerde machtsinstituten en hun 'officiele' frontwerkers, alsook verdoken groeperingen die hun hand hebben in wat we vandaag zien als de 'stand van zaken' in de wereld; wanneer jij maar 'blind' bleef zien', en ontkennen, en diverse bronnen en personen telkenmale naar fantasieland bleef verbannen, kom jij nu doodleuk zeggen dat ''er een NWO bestaat waarnaar gestreefd wordt'' ?! Citaat:
Mocht het je ontglipt zijn: net daar wringt het schoentje. De hedendaagse problemen komen grotendeels voort uit de duistere Box van Pandora van weleer. Daarom is het belangrijk het kluwen van historische precedenten te verbinden zodat wij -de burgers van deze aarde- kunnen toetsen of dat deze 'zelfverklaarde' toekomstige heersers/instituten willen streven om het 'menselijke ras' in een hogere dimensie te brengen: die van humanitaire en spirituele broederlijkheid, met fysische basiscomforten voor iedereen, en waar elke Geest zijn creatieve ontwikkeling vrijelijk ter goeder trouw van het collectief kan waarmaken. Zodat een ware Evolutie van de Goede Geest zich kan manifesteren. Citaat:
De huidige wereld is wel globaal gemaakt, maar niet open. Mensen van derde wereld landen worden niet zomaar in de eerste wereld toegelaten. Kapitaal kan daarentegen van en naar overal gesluist worden. Democratisch, niet?! Progressief zolang het een bepaalde werelddeel, of een bepaalde klasse/groepering goed uitkomt. Citaat:
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![]() Live Earth is een appel aan diegenen die zich schuldig voelen voor de hedendaagse evoluties (hoewel dat publiek louter 'volgers' van een beleid zijn). Lijkt me niet meer dan een lapje voor het bloeden om een smeulende laag van de bevolking te misleiden en hen een 'podium' te schenken om 'schoon schip' met hun sentiment te maken. Het feit dat we naast onze opvoeding, die gebaseerd is op het onderbouwen van onze historische koloniale politiek, een 'officiele' vrije-tijds opvoeding krijgen, in de trend van concerten en acties in functie van 'een leefbare aarde', 'red-Afrika' en 'stop de natuurrampen', is een teken van de hypocrisie waar ons systeem op teert. Dit toont nogmaals hoe fout onze samenleving werkt, en welke mechanismen in het leven geroepen worden om diegenen die toch 'issues' hebben met de gang van zaken, gesust kunnen worden. ![]() Laatst gewijzigd door blabylonia : 16 juli 2007 om 02:43. |
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Deze kan ook tellen SPEECH BY THE PRIME MINISTER OF MALAYSIA, THE HONOURABLE DATO SERI DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD AT THE ANNUAL SEMINAR OF THE WORLD BANK IN HONG KONG ON SATURDAY, 20 SEPTEMBER 1997 AT 5.30 PM *Dr Mahathir was sitting next to Sir James Wolfensohn who could but shake his head as Mahathir proceeded to tear strips of the global financial establishment.* "There may be no conspiracy as such but it is quite obvious that a few at least, media as well as fund managers, have their own agenda which they are determined to carry out." "International trading makes currency exchange necessary. Otherwise we may have to resort to barter. Buying and selling currency to finance trade is fine. But out of this evolved pure trade in currency as a commodity." "The traders apparently make billions with each transaction. But when the funds at their disposal is huge and they are in a position to influence the values of the currencies with their investments and divestments then the currency market become cash cows to them. They cannot fail to make a profit whichever way the index goes." "And we are told that we are not worldly if we do not appreciate the workings of the international financial market. Great countries tell us that we must accept being impoverished because that is what international finance is all about. Obviously we are not sophisticated enough to accept losing money so that the manipulators become richer." " We are also warned that these are powerful people. If we make a noise or we act in any way to frustrate them they would be annoyed. And when they are annoyed they can destroy us altogether, they can reduce us to basket cases. We have to accept that they are around, that they will always be around and that there really is nothing we can do about it. They will determine whether we prosper or we don't." "I mention all these because society must be protected from unscrupulous profiteers. I know I am taking a big risk to suggest it, but I am saying that currency trading is unnecessary, unproductive and immoral. It should be stopped. It should be made illegal. We don't need currency trading. We need to buy money only when we want to finance real trade. Otherwise we should not buy or sell currencies as we sell commodities." "We still believe there are sincere investors out there. But there are also quite a few rogues who can cause an avalanche forcing others to run for cover." "We have other big ideas to prosper our neighbours, to prosper everyone, the developed countries included. But we are not going to be allowed to do this because you don't like us to have big ideas. It is not proper. It is impudent for us to try, or to even say we are going to do it. If we even say that when we have the money we will carry on with our big projects, you will make sure we won't have the money by forcing the devaluation of our currency." *Dr Mahathir was sitting next to Sir James Wolfensohn who could but shake his head as Mahathir proceeded to tear strips of the global financial establishment.* ![]() deze heeft ook stof doen opwaaien Speech by Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad of Malaysia to the Tenth Islamic Summit Conference Putrajaya, Malaysia, October 16, 2003 "The Europeans killed 6 million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them." "They survived 2000 years of pogroms not by hitting back, but by thinking. They invented and successfully promoted Socialism, Communism, human rights and democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so they may enjoy equal rights with others. With these they have now gained control of the most powerful countries and they, this tiny community, have become a world power. We cannot fight them through brawn alone. We must use our brains also. Of late because of their power and their apparent success they have become arrogant. And arrogant people, like angry people will make mistakes, will forget to think. They are already beginning to make mistakes. And they will make more mistakes. There may be windows of opportunity for us now and in the future. We must seize these opportunities." dit was zijn laatste toespraak voor de UN als eerste minister ADDRESS BY THE HONOURABLE DATO' SERI MAHATHIR MOHAMAD PRIME MINISTER OF MALAYSIA AT THE GENERAL DEBATE OF THE FIFTY-EIGHT SESSION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, NEW YORK THURSDAY, 25 SEPTEMBER, 2003 en die eindigde met "The world has lost its way. The world is moving too fast. We need to pause, to take stock of things. There is a Malay saying that when one loses his way he should go back to the beginning. We need to go back to the beginning. If we dare to admit it much of the problems that we face today are due to the arbitrary expropriation of the land of the Palestinians in order to create the State of Israel to solve the European Jewish problem. I thank you." Laatst gewijzigd door bosstraat5 : 16 juli 2007 om 06:41. |
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