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[exodus]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door De anarchistische bankier

Ik snap je punt niet, omdat het geen bewijzen zijn maar aanwijzingen zou er meer reden moet zijn om aan te nemen dat het zogenaamd aangewezene waar is?
Met honderden vaagheden en toevalligheden kun je elke complottheorie onderbouwen. Daar is geen kunst aan, allez, soms wel, maar in het geval van de NWO niet, toch niet naar mijn smaak.

Je moet kijken naar de feiten. De feiten zijn dat de NWO er is. Het feit is dat de internationale bankiers de oorlogen die we in de vorige eeuw gehad hebben hun creatie zijn. De officiële geschiedenis zijn zegt dat die oorlogen er gekomen zijn omdat ze veroorzaakt zijn door een schakel van gebeurtenissen etc.. wij zeggen dat ze gepland zijn en er zijn bewijzen voor.

Je kan inderdaad altijd zeggen dat het geen toeval is en dat er een plan achter zit, maar als de feiten er zijn dan zijn ze er... Trouwens je kan net omgekeerd van elk plan dat in het geheim wordt uitgevoerd, maar met zichtbare en voelbare feiten zeggen dat het "toeval" is.[edit]
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Je moet kijken naar de feiten. De feiten zijn dat de NWO er is. Het feit is dat de internationale bankiers de oorlogen die we in de vorige eeuw gehad hebben hun creatie zijn. De officiële geschiedenis zijn zegt dat die oorlogen er gekomen zijn omdat ze veroorzaakt zijn door een schakel van gebeurtenissen etc.. wij zeggen dat ze gepland zijn en er zijn bewijzen voor.

Je kan inderdaad altijd zeggen dat het geen toeval is en dat er een plan achter zit, maar als de feiten er zijn dan zijn ze er... Trouwens je kan net omgekeerd van elk plan dat in het geheim wordt uitgevoerd, maar met zichtbare en voelbare feiten zeggen dat het "toeval" is.[/size]

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Je moet kijken naar de feiten. De feiten zijn dat de NWO er is. Het feit is dat de internationale bankiers de oorlogen die we in de vorige eeuw gehad hebben hun creatie zijn. De officiële geschiedenis zijn zegt dat die oorlogen er gekomen zijn omdat ze veroorzaakt zijn door een schakel van gebeurtenissen etc.. wij zeggen dat ze gepland zijn en er zijn bewijzen voor.

Je kan inderdaad altijd zeggen dat het geen toeval is en dat er een plan achter zet, maar als de feiten er zijn dan zijn ze er... Trouwens je kan net omgekeerd van elk plan dat in het geheim wordt uitgevoerd, maar met zichtbare en voelbare feiten zeggen dat het "toeval" is.[/size]

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[Pindar]

Je draait de zaken om. Een vergelijkbare redenering: aangezien hemel en aarde geschapen zijn door God, kan de evolutietheorie niet waar zijn, hé?

de evolutie-theorie is inderdaad grote onzin!
Maar niet om de redenen die de meeste denken.
Maar ja, da's weer een hele andere discussie.

met vriendelijke groeten

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de evolutie-theorie is inderdaad grote onzin!
Maar niet om de redenen die de meeste denken.
Maar ja, da's weer een hele andere discussie.

met vriendelijke groeten

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de evolutie-theorie is inderdaad grote onzin!
Maar niet om de redenen die de meeste denken.
Maar ja, da's weer een hele andere discussie.

met vriendelijke groeten

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de evolutie-theorie is inderdaad grote onzin!
Maar niet om de redenen die de meeste denken.
Maar ja, da's weer een heeln andere discussie.

met vriendelijke groeten

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[Pindar]

'This is information from Scott Stevens, a weather man who was just on Coast to Coast. You would not expect him to be a conspiracy type person, but the increasing signs of weather manipulation have taken him there. The web site shows Katrina information. Going to the home-site will give added general information about weather manipulation.'

Bron: http://www.weatherwars.info/Katrina.htm

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'This is information from Scott Stevens, a weather man who was just on Coast to Coast. You would not expect him to be a conspiracy type person, but the increasing signs of weather manipulation have taken him there. The web site shows Katrina information. Going to the home-site will give added general information about weather manipulation.'

Bron: http://www.weatherwars.info/Katrina.htm

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'This is information from Scott Stevens, a weather man who was just on Coast to Coast. You would not expect him to be a conspiracy type person, but the increasing signs of weather manipulation have taken him there. The web site shows Katrina information. Going to the home-site will give added general information about weather manipulation.'

Bron: http://www.weatherwars.info/Katrina.htm

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[Lex Blanca]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door De anarchistische bankier

Als hun voorgevoelens over wat iemand anders denkt inderdaad blijken te kloppen, of als ze een droom hebben die schijnt uit te komen, of bijvoorbeeld ergens lezen dat de secretaresse van President Kennedy Lincoln heette en de secretaris van President Lincoln Kennedy, dan wordt dit alles beschouwd als een bewijs van de even wonderbaarlijke als raadselachtige kosmische harmonie die zich op de een of andere manier in hun eigen persoonlijke heelal doet gelden.

Voorgevoelens over iemand bewijs??Een droom die uitkomt bewijs?? Niet voor mij alleszins.En vast ook niet voor de meeste NWO gelovers.

En dat van Kennedy en Lincoln;er is meer:
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het is geen bewijs,maar wel iets om over na te denken al die toevalligheden.Surtout als je ziet dat het wel zeker is dat Oswald niet alleen handelde.Dat er motief was voor anderen dan Oswald;bvb dat Kennedy 4.7 miliard aan interestvrije$ in de economie ging injecteren met Executive Order 11110 op 4 juni 1963.De dag na zijn begrafenis werd het herroepen enz.
De Warren Commission en andere machtige individuen op de juiste plaatsen om de cover-up in goede banen te leiden en door te geven aan de opvolgers(JFK Jr sterft samen met zijn vrouw kort nadat hij had gezegd dat hij alles in het werk zou stellen om de echte daders van de moord op zijn vader te vinden om voor eens en altijd alle twijfel van tafel te vegen...).
Ik denk niet dat iemand leest:de secretaresse van Kennedy heet Lincoln en visa versa en daaruit besluit dat de moord op Kennedy geen toeval is...

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"How to Identify Misinformation

How can a journalist or a news consumer tell if a story is true or false? There are no exact rules, but the following clues can help indicate if a story or allegation is true.

* Does the story fit the pattern of a conspiracy theory?

* Does the story fit the pattern of an "urban legend?"

* Does the story contain a shocking revelation about a highly controversial issue?

* Is the source trustworthy?

* What does further research tell you?

Does the story fit the pattern of a conspiracy theory?

Does the story claim that vast, powerful, evil forces are secretly manipulating events? If so, this fits the profile of a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are rarely true, even though they have great appeal and are often widely believed. In reality, events usually have much less exciting explanations.

The U.S. military or intelligence community is a favorite villain in many conspiracy theories.

For example, the Soviet disinformation apparatus regularly blamed the U.S. military or intelligence community for a variety of natural disasters as well as political events. In March 1992, then-Russian foreign intelligence chief Yevgeni Primakov admitted that the disinformation service of the Soviet KGB intelligence service had concocted the false story that the AIDS virus had been created in a US military laboratory as a biological weapon. When AIDS was first discovered, no one knew how this horrifying new disease had arisen, although scientists have now used DNA analysis to determine that "all HIV-1 strains known to infect man" are closely related to a simian immunodeficiency virus found in a western equatorial African chimpanzee, Pan troglodytes troglodytes. But the Soviets used widespread suspicions about the U.S. military to blame it for AIDS. (More details on this.)

In his book 9/11: The Big Lie, French author Thierry Meyssan falsely claimed that no plane hit the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. Instead, he claimed that the building had been struck by a cruise missile fired by elements within the U.S. government. No such vast conspiracy existed and many eyewitness accounts and evidence gathered on the scene confirmed that the hijacked airliner had struck the building. But, nevertheless, the book was a best-seller in France and has been translated into 19 languages, demonstrating the power that even the most groundless conspiracy theories can have. (More details on 9/11: The Big Lie.)

Does the story fit the pattern of an "urban legend?"

Is the story startlingly good, bad, amazing, horrifying, or otherwise seemingly "too good" or "too terrible" to be true? If so, it may be an "urban legend." Urban legends, which often circulate by word of mouth, e-mail, or the Internet, are false claims that are widely believed because they put a common fear, hope, suspicion, or other powerful emotion into story form.

For example, after the September 11 attacks, a story arose that someone had survived the World Trade Center collapse by "surfing" a piece of building debris from the 82nd floor to the ground. Of course, no one could survive such a fall, but many initially believed this story, out of desperate hope that some people trapped in the towers miraculously survived their collapse. (More details on this.)

Another September 11 urban legend is that an undamaged Bible was found in the midst of the crash site at the Pentagon. In reality, it was a dictionary. But, if a Bible had survived unscathed, that would have seemed much more significant, and been seen by many as a sign of divine intervention. (More details on this.)

Since 1987, the false story that Americans or others are kidnapping or adopting children in order to use them in organ transplants has been widely believed. There is absolutely no evidence that any such event has ever occurred, but such allegations have won the most prestigious journalism prizes in France in 1995 and Spain in 1996. (More details on this.)

This urban legend is based on fears about both organ transplantation and international adoptions, both of which were relatively new practices in the 1980s. As advances in medical science made organ transplantation more widespread, unfounded fears began to spread that people would be murdered for their organs. At the same time, there were also unfounded fears about the fate of infants adopted by foreigners and taken far from their home countries. The so-called "baby parts" rumor combined both these fears in story form, which gave it great credibility even though there was absolutely no evidence for the allegation.

In late 2004, a reporter for Saudi Arabia's Al Watan newspaper repeated a version of the organ trafficking urban legend, falsely claiming that U.S. forces in Iraq were harvesting organs from dead or wounded Iraqis for sale in the United States. This shows how the details of urban legends can change, to fit different circumstances. (More details in English and Arabic.)

Highly controversial issues

AIDS, organ transplantation, international adoption, and the September 11 attacks are all new, frightening or, in some ways, discomforting topics. Such highly controversial issues are natural candidates for the rise of false rumors, unwarranted fears and suspicions. Another example of a highly controversial issue is depleted uranium, a relatively new armor-piercing substance that was used by the U.S. military for the first time during the 1991 Gulf War.

There are many exaggerated fears about depleted uranium because people associate it with weapons-grade uranium or fuel-grade uranium, which are much more dangerous substances. When most people hear the word uranium, a number of strongly held associations spring to mind, including the atomic bomb, Hiroshima, nuclear reactors, radiation illness, cancer, and birth defects.

Depleted uranium is what is left over when natural uranium is enriched to make weapons-grade or fuel-grade uranium. In the process, the uranium loses, or is depleted, of almost half its radioactivity, which is how depleted uranium gets its name. But facts like this are less important in peoples' minds than the deeply ingrained associations they have with the world "uranium." For this reason, most people believe that depleted uranium is much more dangerous than it actually is. (More details on depleted uranium in English and Arabic.)

Another highly controversial issue is that of forbidden weapons, such as chemical or biological weapons. The United States is regularly, and falsely, accused of using these weapons. (More details on this in English and Arabic.)

In the same way, many other highly controversial issues are naturally prone to misunderstanding and false rumors. Any highly controversial issue or taboo behavior is ripe material for false rumors and urban legends.

Consider the source

Certain websites, publications, and individuals are known for spreading false stories, including:

* Aljazeera.com, a deceptive, look-alike website that has sought to fool people into thinking it is run by the Qatari satellite television station Al Jazeera

* Jihad Unspun, a website run by a Canadian woman who converted to Islam after the September 11 attacks when she became convinced that Osama bin Laden was right

* Islam Memo (Mafkarat-al-Islam), which spreads a great deal of disinformation about Iraq.

(More details on Islam Memo and Jihad Unspun in English and Arabic.)

There are many conspiracy theory websites, which contain a great deal of unreliable information. Examples include:

* Rense.com

* Australian "private investigator" Joe Vialls, who died in 2005

* Conspiracy Planet

Extremist groups, such as splinter communist parties, often publish disinformation. This can be especially difficult to identify if the false allegations are published by front groups. Front groups purport to be independent, non-partisan organizations but actually controlled by political parties or groups. Some examples of front groups are:

* The International Action Center, which is a front group for a splinter communist party called the Workers World Party

* The Free Arab Voice, a website that serves as a front for Arab communist Muhammad Abu Nasr and his colleagues.

(More details on Muhammad Abu Nasr in English or Arabic.)

Research the allegations

The only way to determine whether an allegation is true or false is to research it as thoroughly as possible. Of course, this may not always be possible given publication deadlines and time pressures, but there is no substitute for thorough research, going back to the original sources. Using the Internet, many allegations can be fairly thoroughly researched in a matter of hours.

For example, in July 2005, the counter-misinformation team researched the allegation that U.S. soldiers in Iraq had killed innocent Iraqi boys playing football and then "planted" rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) next to them, to make it appear that they were insurgents.

Using a variety of search terms in "Google," a researcher was able to find the article and photographs upon which the allegations were based. Because weapons did not appear in the initial photographs, but did appear in later photographs, some observers believed this was evidence that the weapons had been planted and that the boys who had been killed were not armed insurgents.

The researcher was also able to find weblog entries (numbered 100 and 333, on June 26 and July 15, 2005) from the commanding officer of the platoon that was involved in the incident and another member of his platoon. The weblog entries made it clear that:

* the teenaged Iraqi boys were armed insurgents;

* after the firefight between U.S. troops and the insurgents was over, the dead, wounded and captured insurgents were initially photographed separated from their weapons because the first priority was to make sure that it was impossible for any of the surviving insurgents to fire them again;

* following medical treatment for the wounded insurgents, they were photographed with the captured weapons displayed, in line with Iraqi government requirements;

* the insurgents were hiding in a dense palm grove, where visibility was limited to 20 meters, not a likely place for a football game, and they were seen carrying the RPGs on their shoulders.

Thus, an hour or two of research on the Internet was sufficient to establish that the suspicions of the bloggers that the weapons had been planted on innocent Iraqi boys playing football were unfounded.

Finally, if the counter-misinformation team can be of help, ask us. We can't respond to all requests for information, but if a request is reasonable and we have the time, we will do our best to provide accurate, authoritative information. "

bron: http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archiv...27-595713.html

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[Lex Blanca]

Hehe,ik was er ook al es op uitgekomen ....idd lachen.

[exodus]

[size=4]Harnessing Weather: Allegations Surface That US, Russia Have Technology to Manage Hurricanes[/size]

American Free Press/Mike Blair | September 5 2005

Author Sydney Sheldon said, “The old adage that everyone talks about the weather but no one does anything about it is no longer valid,” in an afterword to his fascinating novel Are You Afraid of the Dark?

“Today,” Sheldon continued, “two superpowers have the ability to control weather around the world: the United States and Russia. Other countries, probably China and North Korea, are working feverishly to catch up.”

As this article was being written the aftereffects of Hurricane Katrina were still being felt in the southeastern United States, after it caused billions of dollars in damage along the Gulf of Mexico coast, and the death toll from the killer storm was still being tabulated.

Could this devastation have been avoided? Could Katrina itself have been avoided as a death-dealing hurricane?

The answers to both questions are probably “Yes.” The ability of Russia and the United States to create storms of this magnitude definitely exists.

The big question that remains is, why, then, wasn’t Katrina stopped before it devastated three states—Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi—along the Gulf Coast?

There could be any number of reasons, but all would be mere speculation, as the fact is nothing was done to stop Katrina.

Those who doubt that Katrina, or any other hurricane, could be stopped—or created—can find substantiation in a long-forgotten article by Chen May Yee in the Nov. 13, 1997, issue of The Wall Street Journal.

The article recounts an offer by the Russians to aid Malaysia to create a typhoon to dissipate a pall of smoke that hung over the country—and still does—caused by the burning of large sections of the rain forests in Indonesia and Sumatra.

To quote from the article: Datuk Law Hieng Ding, Malaysia’s minister for science, technology and the environment at the time, said his country “would use special technology to create an artificial cyclone to clean the air.”

The article went on to say that a Malaysian company, BicCure Sdn. Bhd., would sign a memorandum of understanding with a government-owned Russian company to create a cyclone that would cause torrential rains and thus cleanse the air over Malaysia of the smoke and ash.

What Russian company was the Malaysian official talking about?

On Oct. 2, 1992, The Wall Street Journal reported that a Russian company, Elate Intelligent Technologies, Inc., has weather control equipment for sale and uses the advertising slogan of “weather made to order.”

Igor Pirogoff, director of the company, said “Elate is capable of fine-tuning weather patterns over a 200-squaremile area for as little as $200 U.S. per day,” the newspaper reported.

A year before the article was written, Hurricane Andrew caused $30 billion in damages as it plowed through the South. Pirogoff said Andrew could have been turned into “a wimpy little squall.”

According to a UN pamphlet, titled Basic Facts about the United Nations, which was published in 1994, the world body negotiated the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques in 1977. This “prohibits the use of techniques that would have widespread, long-lasting or severe effects through deliberate manipulation of natural processes and cause such phenomena as earthquakes, tidal waves, and changes in climate and in weather patterns.”

Getting back to Malaysia, where the potential for creating or dissipating cyclones seems to have made its first appearance, there was never any follow-up to the stories about Elate and whether in fact the cyclone was created, although it was approved by the Malaysian government.

A call by American Free Press to the Malaysian Embassy in
Washington found no one there with any knowledge of the
subject.

However, there was more success when the Malaysian delegation to the UN was contacted in New York. There, a spokesman claimed to have no knowledge of the creation of a cyclone, but was willing to discuss weather control in his country.

The official said that, by using weather control technology, rain could be created and was being created over the nation’s capital of Kuala Lumpur.

He said that often rain was created over the city to cleanse the air of the smoke emanating from Indonesia, and particularly Sumatra.

He indicated he did not know if the technology being used had been obtained from Russia, but it would appear that such technology to create rain on demand would not have been developed in a Third World country like Malaysia.

There have been numerous reports in recent years about strange changes in the jet stream, which have created alterations in the weather.

In 1982 a report by a Pentagon researcher, identified as L. Ponte, noted that “the Soviets have made advances in bending the all-important jet stream that sweeps across Siberia to set global wind patterns. By using explosive devices in the jet stream, scientists are trying to make it dip and rise in a wave that could replace the frigid Siberian winters with milder air from the South.”

How this would affect weather in other parts of the world was not reported by Ponte, but there have been dozens of reports since his 1982 report about changes in the jet stream’s normal behavior.

In 1996, a group of seven U.S. Air Force officers, who had prepared a research paper about weather warfare, issued a report, which concluded that there was technology under development that would provide “warriors of the future” with the means to control the course of military conflicts, including through the use of weather modification.

The study also states that manipulation of precipitation, storms and fog could improve America’s own weather but could also involve controlling the ionosphere to guarantee U.S. dominance of worldwide communications.

Is major weather control really possible? Is weather manipulation a means of conducting war? If not, why in 1977 did the United States, the then-Soviet Union and dozens of other countries believe it was a good idea to enact a UN treaty banning weather manipulation as a means of conducting war?

In the afterword of his book, Sheldon concludes:

“Weather is the most powerful force we know. Whoever controls it can disrupt world economies with perpetual rainstorms or tornadoes; wipe out crops in a drought; cause earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis; close world airports and cause devastation on enemy battlefields. “We could all sleep better if a world leader said, ‘Everyone talks about the weather, but no one does anything about it, and it was true.”[edit]
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[size=4]Harnessing Weather: Allegations Surface That US, Russia Have Technology to Manage Hurricanes[/size]

American Free Press/Mike Blair | September 5 2005

Author Sydney Sheldon said, “The old adage that everyone talks about the weather but no one does anything about it is no longer valid,” in an afterword to his fascinating novel Are You Afraid of the Dark?

“Today,” Sheldon continued, “two superpowers have the ability to control weather around the world: the United States and Russia. Other countries, probably China and North Korea, are working feverishly to catch up.”

As this article was being written the aftereffects of Hurricane Katrina were still being felt in the southeastern United States, after it caused billions of dollars in damage along the Gulf of Mexico coast, and the death toll from the killer storm was still being tabulated.

Could this devastation have been avoided? Could Katrina itself have been avoided as a death-dealing hurricane?

The answers to both questions are probably “Yes.” The ability of Russia and the United States to create storms of this magnitude definitely exists.

The big question that remains is, why, then, wasn’t Katrina stopped before it devastated three states—Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi—along the Gulf Coast?

There could be any number of reasons, but all would be mere speculation, as the fact is nothing was done to stop Katrina.

Those who doubt that Katrina, or any other hurricane, could be stopped—or created—can find substantiation in a long-forgotten article by Chen May Yee in the Nov. 13, 1997, issue of The Wall Street Journal.

The article recounts an offer by the Russians to aid Malaysia to create a typhoon to dissipate a pall of smoke that hung over the country—and still does—caused by the burning of large sections of the rain forests in Indonesia and Sumatra.

To quote from the article: Datuk Law Hieng Ding, Malaysia’s minister for science, technology and the environment at the time, said his country “would use special technology to create an artificial cyclone to clean the air.”

The article went on to say that a Malaysian company, BicCure Sdn. Bhd., would sign a memorandum of understanding with a government-owned Russian company to create a cyclone that would cause torrential rains and thus cleanse the air over Malaysia of the smoke and ash.

What Russian company was the Malaysian official talking about?

On Oct. 2, 1992, The Wall Street Journal reported that a Russian company, Elate Intelligent Technologies, Inc., has weather control equipment for sale and uses the advertising slogan of “weather made to order.”

Igor Pirogoff, director of the company, said “Elate is capable of fine-tuning weather patterns over a 200-squaremile area for as little as $200 U.S. per day,” the newspaper reported.

A year before the article was written, Hurricane Andrew caused $30 billion in damages as it plowed through the South. Pirogoff said Andrew could have been turned into “a wimpy little squall.”

According to a UN pamphlet, titled Basic Facts about the United Nations, which was published in 1994, the world body negotiated the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques in 1977. This “prohibits the use of techniques that would have widespread, long-lasting or severe effects through deliberate manipulation of natural processes and cause such phenomena as earthquakes, tidal waves, and changes in climate and in weather patterns.”

Getting back to Malaysia, where the potential for creating or dissipating cyclones seems to have made its first appearance, there was never any follow-up to the stories about Elate and whether in fact the cyclone was created, although it was approved by the Malaysian government.

A call by American Free Press to the Malaysian Embassy in
Washington found no one there with any knowledge of the
subject.

However, there was more success when the Malaysian delegation to the UN was contacted in New York. There, a spokesman claimed to have no knowledge of the creation of a cyclone, but was willing to discuss weather control in his country.

The official said that, by using weather control technology, rain could be created and was being created over the nation’s capital of Kuala Lumpur.

He said that often rain was created over the city to cleanse the air of the smoke emanating from Indonesia, and particularly Sumatra.

He indicated he did not know if the technology being used had been obtained from Russia, but it would appear that such technology to create rain on demand would not have been developed in a Third World country like Malaysia.

There have been numerous reports in recent years about strange changes in the jet stream, which have created alterations in the weather.

In 1982 a report by a Pentagon researcher, identified as L. Ponte, noted that “the Soviets have made advances in bending the all-important jet stream that sweeps across Siberia to set global wind patterns. By using explosive devices in the jet stream, scientists are trying to make it dip and rise in a wave that could replace the frigid Siberian winters with milder air from the South.”

How this would affect weather in other parts of the world was not reported by Ponte, but there have been dozens of reports since his 1982 report about changes in the jet stream’s normal behavior.

In 1996, a group of seven U.S. Air Force officers, who had prepared a research paper about weather warfare, issued a report, which concluded that there was technology under development that would provide “warriors of the future” with the means to control the course of military conflicts, including through the use of weather modification.

The study also states that manipulation of precipitation, storms and fog could improve America’s own weather but could also involve controlling the ionosphere to guarantee U.S. dominance of worldwide communications.

Is major weather control really possible? Is weather manipulation a means of conducting war? If not, why in 1977 did the United States, the then-Soviet Union and dozens of other countries believe it was a good idea to enact a UN treaty banning weather manipulation as a means of conducting war?

In the afterword of his book, Sheldon concludes:

“Weather is the most powerful force we know. Whoever controls it can disrupt world economies with perpetual rainstorms or tornadoes; wipe out crops in a drought; cause earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis; close world airports and cause devastation on enemy battlefields. “We could all sleep better if a world leader said, ‘Everyone talks about the weather, but no one does anything about it, and it was true.”[/size]

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Harnessing Weather: Allegations Surface That US, Russia Have Technology to Manage Hurricanes

American Free Press/Mike Blair | September 5 2005

Author Sydney Sheldon said, “The old adage that everyone talks about the weather but no one does anything about it is no longer valid,” in an afterword to his fascinating novel Are You Afraid of the Dark?

“Today,” Sheldon continued, “two superpowers have the ability to control weather around the world: the United States and Russia. Other countries, probably China and North Korea, are working feverishly to catch up.”

As this article was being written the aftereffects of Hurricane Katrina were still being felt in the southeastern United States, after it caused billions of dollars in damage along the Gulf of Mexico coast, and the death toll from the killer storm was still being tabulated.

Could this devastation have been avoided? Could Katrina itself have been avoided as a death-dealing hurricane?

The answers to both questions are probably “Yes.” The ability of Russia and the United States to create storms of this magnitude definitely exists.

The big question that remains is, why, then, wasn’t Katrina stopped before it devastated three states—Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi—along the Gulf Coast?

There could be any number of reasons, but all would be mere speculation, as the fact is nothing was done to stop Katrina.

Those who doubt that Katrina, or any other hurricane, could be stopped—or created—can find substantiation in a long-forgotten article by Chen May Yee in the Nov. 13, 1997, issue of The Wall Street Journal.

The article recounts an offer by the Russians to aid Malaysia to create a typhoon to dissipate a pall of smoke that hung over the country—and still does—caused by the burning of large sections of the rain forests in Indonesia and Sumatra.

To quote from the article: Datuk Law Hieng Ding, Malaysia’s minister for science, technology and the environment at the time, said his country “would use special technology to create an artificial cyclone to clean the air.”

The article went on to say that a Malaysian company, BicCure Sdn. Bhd., would sign a memorandum of understanding with a government-owned Russian company to create a cyclone that would cause torrential rains and thus cleanse the air over Malaysia of the smoke and ash.

What Russian company was the Malaysian official talking about?

On Oct. 2, 1992, The Wall Street Journal reported that a Russian company, Elate Intelligent Technologies, Inc., has weather control equipment for sale and uses the advertising slogan of “weather made to order.”

Igor Pirogoff, director of the company, said “Elate is capable of fine-tuning weather patterns over a 200-squaremile area for as little as $200 U.S. per day,” the newspaper reported.

A year before the article was written, Hurricane Andrew caused $30 billion in damages as it plowed through the South. Pirogoff said Andrew could have been turned into “a wimpy little squall.”

According to a UN pamphlet, titled Basic Facts about the United Nations, which was published in 1994, the world body negotiated the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques in 1977. This “prohibits the use of techniques that would have widespread, long-lasting or severe effects through deliberate manipulation of natural processes and cause such phenomena as earthquakes, tidal waves, and changes in climate and in weather patterns.”

Getting back to Malaysia, where the potential for creating or dissipating cyclones seems to have made its first appearance, there was never any follow-up to the stories about Elate and whether in fact the cyclone was created, although it was approved by the Malaysian government.

A call by American Free Press to the Malaysian Embassy in
Washington found no one there with any knowledge of the
subject.

However, there was more success when the Malaysian delegation to the UN was contacted in New York. There, a spokesman claimed to have no knowledge of the creation of a cyclone, but was willing to discuss weather control in his country.

The official said that, by using weather control technology, rain could be created and was being created over the nation’s capital of Kuala Lumpur.

He said that often rain was created over the city to cleanse the air of the smoke emanating from Indonesia, and particularly Sumatra.

He indicated he did not know if the technology being used had been obtained from Russia, but it would appear that such technology to create rain on demand would not have been developed in a Third World country like Malaysia.

There have been numerous reports in recent years about strange changes in the jet stream, which have created alterations in the weather.

In 1982 a report by a Pentagon researcher, identified as L. Ponte, noted that “the Soviets have made advances in bending the all-important jet stream that sweeps across Siberia to set global wind patterns. By using explosive devices in the jet stream, scientists are trying to make it dip and rise in a wave that could replace the frigid Siberian winters with milder air from the South.”

How this would affect weather in other parts of the world was not reported by Ponte, but there have been dozens of reports since his 1982 report about changes in the jet stream’s normal behavior.

In 1996, a group of seven U.S. Air Force officers, who had prepared a research paper about weather warfare, issued a report, which concluded that there was technology under development that would provide “warriors of the future” with the means to control the course of military conflicts, including through the use of weather modification.

The study also states that manipulation of precipitation, storms and fog could improve America’s own weather but could also involve controlling the ionosphere to guarantee U.S. dominance of worldwide communications.

Is major weather control really possible? Is weather manipulation a means of conducting war? If not, why in 1977 did the United States, the then-Soviet Union and dozens of other countries believe it was a good idea to enact a UN treaty banning weather manipulation as a means of conducting war?

In the afterword of his book, Sheldon concludes:

“Weather is the most powerful force we know. Whoever controls it can disrupt world economies with perpetual rainstorms or tornadoes; wipe out crops in a drought; cause earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis; close world airports and cause devastation on enemy battlefields. “We could all sleep better if a world leader said, ‘Everyone talks about the weather, but no one does anything about it, and it was true.”[/size]

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Het is hier al verschillende keren ter sprake gekomen dat FEMA een agentschap is dat Amerika zal veranderen in een miltaire dictatuur iun geval van een catastrofisch evenement zoals een grootschalige terroristiche aanval.

Het blijkt meer en meer dat FEMA de gang van zaken in New Orleans saboteert om zelf meer rechtvaardiging voor controle te hebben. Daarin ligt de verklaring voor het "lakse" en "laattijdige" optreden van de regering. Het is express vertraagd en gesaboteerd om Martial Law achtige toestanden te krijgen.

FEMA Deliberately Sabotaging Hurricane Relief Efforts

[Firestone]

FEMA probeert meer macht te verkrijgen door opzettelijk onbekwaam te zijn!

En als ze bekwaam zouden zijn geweest, dan was dat voor de conspiracy-freaks een BEWIJS dat FEMA alle steun van de NWO krijgt.

Steeds hetzelfde verschijnsel: wat er ook gebeurt is een bewijs voor NWO!

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FEMA probeert meer macht te verkrijgen door opzettelijk onbekwaam te zijn!

En als ze bekwaam zouden zijn geweest, dan was dat voor de conspiracy-freaks een BEWIJS dat FEMA alle steun van de NWO krijgt.

Steeds hetzelfde verschijnsel: wat er ook gebeurt is een bewijs voor NWO!

Er is toch iets dat jij maar niet wil begrijpen hé: creeër een probleem waar je zelf de oplossing voor achter de hand hebt en zo verstevig je je machtsbasis.

[Pindar]

creeër een probleem waar je zelf de oplossing voor achter de hand hebt en zo verstevig je je machtsbasis.

Heageliaanse dialectiek heet dat.
mooi he?


met vriendelijke groeten

Pindar

[Firestone]

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Er is toch iets dat jij maar niet wil begrijpen hé: creeër een probleem waar je zelf de oplossing voor achter de hand hebt en zo verstevig je je machtsbasis.

Wat is het dan, Exodus?

Moet FEMA meer middelen van de regering krijgen om rampen te bestrijden of niet?

Als het antwoord ja is, dan zeggen jullie "Aha, daar heb je het, ze versterken FEMA als onderdeel van hun duivels NWO-superplan"!
Als het antwoord neen is, dan zeggen jullie "Aha, daar heb je het, ze verzwakken FEMA opzettelijk als onderdeel van hun duivels NWO-superplan"!

Waardeloze theorie dus, zonder de minste voorspellingskracht.

[Pindar]

Waardeloze theorie dus, zonder de minste voorspellingskracht.

Nou nou nou,
Ze zijn de trots van Amerika aan het breken.
En ze gaan nu net zoveel chaos creeren tot de mensen
zelf gaan roepen om een oplossing.
En wat denk je dat die oplossing zal zijn????



met vriendelijke groeten

Pindar

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Moet FEMA meer middelen van de regering krijgen om rampen te bestrijden of niet?

Als het antwoord ja is, dan zeggen jullie "Aha, daar heb je het, ze versterken FEMA als onderdeel van hun duivels NWO-superplan"!
Als het antwoord neen is, dan zeggen jullie "Aha, daar heb je het, ze verzwakken FEMA opzettelijk als onderdeel van hun duivels NWO-superplan"!

Waardeloze theorie dus, zonder de minste voorspellingskracht.

Dat is niet zo. Als ze FEMA zouden verzwakken dan zou ik er niet direct een verklaring voor hebben. De feiten wijzen echter aan dat FEMA er is om amerika over te nemen.

En ze zijn n u al eht klimaat aan het creeëren. Vind je het normaal ofzo dat mensen die eten stelen worden doodgeschoten ter plekke zonder enige vorm van proces. Er zullen inderdaad wel plunderaars bij zitten die uit zijn op winst, maar er zullen ook mensen tussen zitten die kinderen hebben en eten stelen omdat ze er nodig hebben. Ook de kinderen worden gefouilleerd voordat ze geëvacueerd worden!
Je mag ons dan niet geloven en denken dat er geen plan achter zit, amerika is een militaire dictatuur aan het worden. Als je denkt dat er daar geen plan achter zit dan ben je naief. Een staat wordt automatisch een militaire dictatuur.

[Pindar]

Tsja, vooral door blijven slapen!


"New World Orleans: Microcosm for the "New America"
Special report on the elite police state takeover


Steve Watson | September 5 2005

Imagine an America where everyone is displaced. It's survival of the fittest as all law and order has broken down. Martial law has been declared with 24 hr curfews, Posse Comitatus has been overturned and there are troops on the streets shooting anyone who disobeys their orders. Thousands and thousands of people are starving but the authorities will not allow aid in any significant amounts. Large crowds are quelled with the use of sonic lasers, whilst overhead drone aircraft monitor the area, checking for any anomalous activity.

Any form of Local and State government has been abandoned and officials have been forcibly removed against their wills. The elite infiltrators of the Federal Government watch on from afar, in control of everything, answering to no one and getting fat off the profits of their own corrupt inactivity which brought about the situation in the first instance. They like it that way, it suits them down to the ground, why should they do anything to improve the situation?

This is the nightmare situation of a New World Order takeover in America. It [size=3]is what we have been warning the world about for years. It is no longer some distant possibility on the horizon that our children may have to endure and fight against, it is here, it is now.[/size] New Orleans is a testing ground for this exact scenario, all this is going on there now. We are witnessing in New Orleans, the construction of a microcosm for a "New America" and a New World Order."

zie verder: http://infowars.net/Pages/Sept05/050...ld_Orleans.htm

En geen bla bla meer
je ziet het godverjezus voor je eigen ogen gebeuren!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

met vriendelijke groeten

Pindar[edit]
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Tsja, vooral door blijven slapen!


"New World Orleans: Microcosm for the "New America"
Special report on the elite police state takeover


Steve Watson | September 5 2005

Imagine an America where everyone is displaced. It's survival of the fittest as all law and order has broken down. Martial law has been declared with 24 hr curfews, Posse Comitatus has been overturned and there are troops on the streets shooting anyone who disobeys their orders. Thousands and thousands of people are starving but the authorities will not allow aid in any significant amounts. Large crowds are quelled with the use of sonic lasers, whilst overhead drone aircraft monitor the area, checking for any anomalous activity.

Any form of Local and State government has been abandoned and officials have been forcibly removed against their wills. The elite infiltrators of the Federal Government watch on from afar, in control of everything, answering to no one and getting fat off the profits of their own corrupt inactivity which brought about the situation in the first instance. They like it that way, it suits them down to the ground, why should they do anything to improve the situation?

This is the nightmare situation of a New World Order takeover in America. It [size=3]is what we have been warning the world about for years. It is no longer some distant possibility on the horizon that our children may have to endure and fight against, it is here, it is now.[/size] New Orleans is a testing ground for this exact scenario, all this is going on there now. We are witnessing in New Orleans, the construction of a microcosm for a "New America" and a New World Order."

zie verder: http://infowars.net/Pages/Sept05/050...ld_Orleans.htm

En geen bla bla meer
je ziet het godverjezus voor je eigen ogen gebeuren!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

met vriendelijke groeten

Pindar[/size]

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Tsja, vooral door blijven slapen!


"New World Orleans: Microcosm for the "New America"
Special report on the elite police state takeover


Steve Watson | September 5 2005

Imagine an America where everyone is displaced. It's survival of the fittest as all law and order has broken down. Martial law has been declared with 24 hr curfews, Posse Comitatus has been overturned and there are troops on the streets shooting anyone who disobeys their orders. Thousands and thousands of people are starving but the authorities will not allow aid in any significant amounts. Large crowds are quelled with the use of sonic lasers, whilst overhead drone aircraft monitor the area, checking for any anomalous activity.

Any form of Local and State government has been abandoned and officials have been forcibly removed against their wills. The elite infiltrators of the Federal Government watch on from afar, in control of everything, answering to no one and getting fat off the profits of their own corrupt inactivity which brought about the situation in the first instance. They like it that way, it suits them down to the ground, why should they do anything to improve the situation?

This is the nightmare situation of a New World Order takeover in America. It is what we have been warning the world about for years. It is no longer some distant possibility on the horizon that our children may have to endure and fight against, it is here, it is now. New Orleans is a testing ground for this exact scenario, all this is going on there now. We are witnessing in New Orleans, the construction of a microcosm for a "New America" and a New World Order."

zie verder: http://infowars.net/Pages/Sept05/050...ld_Orleans.htm

En geen bla bla meer
je ziet het godverjezus voor je eigen ogen gebeuren!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

met vriendelijke groeten

Pindar[/size]

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[Firestone]

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Dat is niet zo. Als ze FEMA zouden verzwakken dan zou ik er niet direct een verklaring voor hebben. De feiten wijzen echter aan dat FEMA er is om amerika over te nemen.

En ze zijn n u al eht klimaat aan het creeëren. Vind je het normaal ofzo dat mensen die eten stelen worden doodgeschoten ter plekke zonder enige vorm van proces. Er zullen inderdaad wel plunderaars bij zitten die uit zijn op winst, maar er zullen ook mensen tussen zitten die kinderen hebben en eten stelen omdat ze er nodig hebben. Ook de kinderen worden gefouilleerd voordat ze geëvacueerd worden!
Je mag ons dan niet geloven en denken dat er geen plan achter zit, amerika is een militaire dictatuur aan het worden. Als je denkt dat er daar geen plan achter zit dan ben je naief. Een staat wordt automatisch een militaire dictatuur.

Amerikaanse reactionnairen roepen al een eeuw lang dat de federale regering "hun vrijheden" gaat afnemen en een dictactuur vestigen.

Als de politie de plunderaars laat begaan zullen jullie wel beweren dat dit in het Grote Plan past om de toestand verder te laten escaleren.

Doen ze iets==>NWO
Doen ze het tegengestelde==>NWO
Doen ze niets==>NWO

Wie denkt dat achter de gebeurtenissen in New Orleans een groot plan schuilgaat begrijpt niets (maar dan ook NIETS) van hoe de Amerikaanse samenleving in elkaar zit. De complexiteit ervan alléén maakt ze totaal onvatbaar voor de simplistische plannen die jullie beschrijven.

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Als de politie de plunderaars laat begaan zullen jullie wel beweren dat dit in het Grote Plan past om de toestand verder te laten escaleren.

Dus je keurt het afknallen van mensen zonder enige vorm van proces goed?

Doen ze iets==>NWO
Doen ze het tegengestelde==>NWO
Doen ze niets==>NWO

Wie denkt dat achter de gebeurtenissen in New Orleans een groot plan schuilgaat begrijpt niets (maar dan ook NIETS) van hoe de Amerikaanse samenleving in elkaar zit. De complexiteit ervan alléén maakt ze totaal onvatbaar voor de simplistische plannen die jullie beschrijven.

DAt denk je, en je gebruikt hier weer valse argumenten.
Het is niet moeilijk om 1 iemand in te huren en naar een reddingshelicopter te laten inschieten, en dan de media het verhaal te laten opblazen.

Wij zeggen dat er een plan achter zit. Feit is dat ze enorm traag gereageerd hebben. Dit is GEEN toeval. Als ze willen kunnen ze direct reageren. Bovendien duiken er weer feiten op dat FEMA de boel express vertraagde. Maar je , je bekijkt de feiten niet.

[Firestone]

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Dus je keurt het afknallen van mensen zonder enige vorm van proces goed?

WAAR HEB JE DAT GELEZEN??????????????

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

DAt denk je, en je gebruikt hier weer valse argumenten.
Het is niet moeilijk om 1 iemand in te huren en naar een reddingshelicopter te laten inschieten, en dan de media het verhaal te laten opblazen.

Wij zeggen dat er een plan achter zit. Feit is dat ze enorm traag gereageerd hebben. Dit is GEEN toeval. Als ze willen kunnen ze direct reageren. Bovendien duiken er weer feiten op dat FEMA de boel express vertraagde. Maar je , je bekijkt de feiten niet.

Jij veronderstelt altijd dat "ze" oppermachtig zijn en alles ogenblikkelijk kunnen als ze maar willen.
Dat is echt zoals men in de oudheid in de Goden geloofde.
Totaal onrealistisch en heel naïef.

FEMA vertraagde niets opzettelijk, dat is weer zo'n verzinsel.
Als iets niet perfect is is het voor jullie een Groot Complot.
Neen, het is de complexiteit van de samenleving, iets wat jullie blijkbaar niet kunnen begrijpen.
Bij zowat elke ramp maakt men dat mee, in de VS en in elk ander land.[edit]
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WAAR HEB JE DAT GELEZEN??????????????

Jij veronderstelt altijd dat "ze" oppermachtig zijn en alles ogenblikkelijk kunnen als ze maar willen.
Dat is echt zoals men in de oudheid in de Goden geloofde.
Totaal onrealistisch en heel naïef.

FEMA vertraagde niets opzettelijk, dat is weer zo'n verzinsel.
Als iets niet perfect is is het voor jullie een Groot Complot.
Neen, het is de complexiteit van de samenleving, iets wat jullie blijkbaar niet kunnen begrijpen.
Bij zowat elke ramp maakt men dat mee, in de VS en in elk ander land.[/size]

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WAAR HEB JE DAT GELEZEN??????????????

Jij veronderstelt altijd dat "ze" oppermachtig zijn en alles ogenblikkelijk kunnen als ze maar willen.
Dat is echt zoals men in de oudheid in de Goden geloofde.
Totaal onrealistisch en heel naiëf.

FEMA vertraagde niets opzettelijk, dat is weer zo'n verzinsel.
Als iets niet perfect is is het voor jullie een Groot Complot.
Neen, het is de complexiteit van de samenleving, iets wat jullie blijkbaar niet kunnen begrijpen.[/size]

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WAAR HEB JE DAT GELEZEN??????????????:evil :

Jij veronderstelt altijd dat "ze" oppermachtig zijn en alles ogenblikkelijk kunnen als ze maar willen.
Dat is echt zoals men in de oudheid in de Goden geloofde.
Totaal onrealistisch en heel naiëf.

FEMA vertraagde niets opzettelijk, dat is weer zo'n verzinsel.
Als iets niet perfect is is het voor jullie een Groot Complot.
Neen, het is de complexiteit van de samenleving, iets wat jullie blijkbaar niet kunnen begrijpen.[/size]

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Neen, het is de complexiteit van de samenleving, iets wat jullie blijkbaar niet kunnen begrijpen.
Bij zowat elke ramp maakt men dat mee, in de VS en in elk ander land.

Tuurlijk is de maatschappij complex, net zoals het geheel machtstructuren van de NWO en de onderliggende persistentie van het complot doorheen een machtspyramide. Iets wat jullie niet kunnen begrijpen. Voor jou is de wereld ingedeeld in insiders en niet-insiders , van enige grijswaarde is geen sprake. Tuurlijk dat het NWO-complot zo niet te begrijpen is.

[Firestone]

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Tuurlijk is de maatschappij complex, net zoals het geheel machtstructuren van de NWO en de onderliggende persistentie van het complot doorheen een machtspyramide. Iets wat jullie niet kunnen begrijpen. Voor jou is de wereld ingedeeld in insiders en niet-insiders , van enige grijswaarde is geen sprake. Tuurlijk dat het NWO-complot zo niet te begrijpen is.

Het spijt me, maar jij zit hier heel de tijd te verkondigen dat X een insider is, Y een insider is, Z een insider is. Dat krant A een NWO-orgaan is, krant B ook, enz...
(Op bewijzen van deze beweringen wacht ik al lang niet meer.)

Kom dus niet af met "Voor jou is de wereld ingedeeld in insiders en niet-insiders", want dat is precies wat jij doet, niet ik.[edit]
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Het spijt me, maar jij zit hier heel de tijd te verkondigen dat X een insider is, Y een insider is, Z een insider is. Dat krant A een NWO-orgaan is, krant B ook, enz...
(Op bewijzen van deze beweringen wacht ik al lang niet meer.)

Kom dus niet af met "Voor jou is de wereld ingedeeld in insiders en niet-insiders", want dat is precies wat jij doet, niet ik.[/size]

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Het spijt, maar jij zit hier heel de tijd te verkondigen dat X een insider is, Y een insider is, Z een insider is. Dat krant A een NWO-orgaan is, krant B ook, enz...

Kom dus niet af met "Voor jou is de wereld ingedeeld in insiders en niet-insiders", want dat is precies wat jij doet, niet ik.[/size]

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