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Oud 14 september 2006, 09:25   #9261
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Te laat, Van Gelre. De discussie tussen Firestone + enkele believers over het 'elkaar beledigen' waaraan ik door mijn tussenkomst een einde wilde maken, is drie uur geleden al afgesloten. Te laat !
Jaja, 'einde wilde maken'..

Te laat? Te laat? Ik ben maar in mijn eentje en geen onderdeel van een werkgroep die met 23 collega's allemaal een uurtje per dag mogen spammen.
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Jaja, 'einde wilde maken'..

Te laat? Te laat? Ik ben maar in mijn eentje en geen onderdeel van een werkgroep die met 23 collega's allemaal een uurtje per dag mogen spammen.
Geen verdachtmakingen en oude koeien uit de sloot halen a.u.b. Ik ben duidelijk geweest, dunkt me.
De volgende keer, Van Gelre !

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Jaja, 'einde wilde maken'..

Te laat? Te laat? Ik ben maar in mijn eentje en geen onderdeel van een werkgroep die met 23 collega's allemaal een uurtje per dag mogen spammen.
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Jaja, 'einde wilde maken'..

Te laat? Te laat? Ik ben maar in mijn eentje en geen onderdeel van een werkgroep die met 23 collega's allemaal een uurtje per dag mogen spammen.
Je bent een zaag.
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Gisteren gaven ze op Arte een reportage over de mensen die op de WTC-site hadden gewerkt en die dodelijk ziek waren geworden. Ze lieten ondermeer een 44-jarige man aan het woord die na zijn werk op de WTC-site niet meer in staat was om te gaan werken. Zijn vrouw had hem in de steek gelaten, hij leefde van een ziekteuitkering ergens alleen in een huisje, sleurde een zak boordevol medicamenten mee (dozen pillen en allerhande beädemingstoestellen), kreeg ondermeer medicamenten tegen astma alhoewel dat nauwelijks werkte enz.

De dokters gaven hem een mix van medicamenten en probeerden uit te zoeken welke medicamenten werkten.

De man zei dat hij voelde dat zijn gezondheidstoestand er alleen maar op achteruit ging en dat hij niet lang meer zou leven.

Op het einde van de reportage zei men dat de man intussen overleden was.

Men spreekt van 6.000 mensen die op deze manier ziek zouden zijn geworden.
En hadden ze enig idee wat die symptomen kon veroorzaakt hebben?
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De heren believers raden mij steeds boeken aan. Misschien mag ik ook andersom een boek aanprijzen: Lees eens 'De slinger van Foucault' van Umberto Eco.

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I'm not sure what all the hoopla is about. Compared to "The Island of the Day Before", Eco's "Pendulum" is a lighthearted ditty of a story. Certainly it doesn't have the cohesion of "The Name of the Rose", but then, it's not meant to.

F.P. is the sort of book that Dan Brown would have written if he weren't an untalented moron, and certainly, given its strong modernist interpretation of history, Eco serves as a necessary precursor to the gnostic romanticism that pervades modern culture. In this sense, Eco is sort of the quintessential European Author. He wears his bored intellectualism smugly on his sleeve. Unlike the puerile Brown, Eco has a mastery of abstract reasoning to back up his hilarious tale.

For the unitiated, F.P. is the story of some two-bit hustlers who are in the business of fleecing self-publishing authors, their speciality being the occult. This brings them in contact with the dregs of the subculture, and as their experiment into tying all of the occult theories together gains momentum, they find themselves sucked into a world of True-Believers.

The web that Eco weaves is indeed complex, and it apparently proves distracting for a number of readers, although Eco intends it to be hypnotizing rather than distracting. One has only to talk to a convinced Freemason to realize that Eco is painting an accurate picture of the conspiring/occult world, but Eco's motive or theme is compromised by this convergence with reality. Where "The Name of the Rose" was a revisionist (and temporally misplaced) assault on the Catholic Church, "Foucault's Pendulum" is a postmodern manifesto. Eco attempts by profusion of facts, absurdity of plot, and ever so slight phase-separation from reality, to bring confusion to the reader's mind and create a distrust of any belief system whatsoever.

Unfortunately, Eco, despite his legitimate intellectual standing, is little more than a would-be heretic in an age where even heresy is ignored. One longs to see Eco transported back in time, when he could nail his theses to the door of the Church and be taken seriously. He is, in many regards, similar to Chesterton's atheist in "The Ball and the Cross" - a post-revolution rebel. As one of the failing adherants of the fad-science of semiotics, Eco sadly carries the banner of 1960's pop-philosophy into the world he and his ilk created. And Foucault's Pendulum, being ultimately dwarfed by its legitimate heir "The Da Vinci Code", is a poignant reminder that one knows the tree by the fruit that it bears.

All this being said, Foucault's Pendulum is the summit of Eco's work - a brilliant creation of complexity and imagination, demonstrating the author's ability to absorb and hold in place an impressive body of knowledge, and to relay it to the reader in a gripping, dynamic plot. Eco praises his own Creator unconsciously in this sincere imitation. Sadly for Eco, his book lacks the one thing he could not give it: a soul.
http://www.amazon.com/Foucaults-Pend...ews/0345368754

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Masonic references in the writings of Umberto Eco
Foucault’s Pendulum
Translated from the Italian by William Weaver. Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Publishers, San Diego, New York, London:1988.


ISBN: 0-15-132765-3 [Hardcover, 641 pages.] Three Milan editors, who have spent altogether too much time rewriting crackpot manuscripts on conspiracy theories and the occult, decide to write their own explanation for world events. Then the fictional world they have created takes on a life of its own. Although this is a work of fiction, many of the characters and references are real. This mixing of fact and fiction only fuels public confusion about Freemasonry.
These knghts supposedly escaped, took refuge in Scotland, and joined a Masonic lodge in Kilwinning. According to the legend they became part of the society of Freemasons, who served as guardians of the secrets of the Temple of Solomon. Ah, here we are; I thought so. This writer, too, claims that the origins of Masonry lie in the Templar’s escape to Scotland. [77] That was how the Freemasons was born later spreading throughout the world. [122] The sages of the Great White Fraternity were also the founders of the first Masonic lodge, back in the days of King Solomon. It was clear, from his works, that dante had been a Rosicrusian and a Mason--as had Saint Thomas, incidentally. [203] "What do you mean, later? That’s the same argument Bramanti used to prove Dante was Mason. If the Corpus repeats ideas of Plato and Jesus, it must have been written after them!" [207] "Weren't you listening? Pythagoras, Dante, the Virgin Mary and the Masons. Always out to screw us. Make umbada, not love." [210]
On page 239, the chapter head lists the High Grades of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite while page 245 lists the Grades of the Antient and Primitive Memphis-Misraim Rite.
But I wouldn't neglect this manuscript about Masonic symbolism in the grotto of Lourdes.[273] Come, come, these are occultist’s tales. You are behaving like vulgar Freemasons. [280] The Revue internationale des sociétés secrètes, which talks about a Jewish-Masonic-Bolshevik plot." "But on January 14, 1937, Dmitri Navachine, Mason and Martinist...."[316] 'Hitler was a Rosicrusian influenced by the Masons...." [317] Garamond was overwhelmed. "But are they... Masons?"
"And what," Agliè replied, "does Mason mean? They are the adepts of a chivalric order inspired by the Rosicrusians, and indirectly by the Templars."
"But what does that have to do with the Masons?" Garamond asked again.
"If what you saw has anything in common with the Masons, it’s the fact that Bramanti’s rite is also a pastime for provincial politicians and professional men. It was thus from the beginning: Freemasonry was weak exploitation of the Templars legend. [354] "But," Diotallevi asked, "how do we find the link between Bacon’s followers and the revolutionary groups of the late eighteenth century?"
"Could Freemasonry be the answer?" Belbo said. [420]

Chapter 75 [page 421] is a timeline running from the 1645 founding of the Invisible college by Ashmole to a 1936 visit from Comt de Saint-Germain, including the 1717 creation of the Great Lodge" in London, the birth of the Thule Society in 1918, and many other Masonic and occult references.
"In the eighteenth century, in London, there were lodges of genuine masons, and they were called operative lodges. Then, gradually, some idle but thoroughly respectable gentlemen were determined to join operative masonry, so it became symbolic, philosophical masonry." [427] "...These are the reasons for the Masonc masquarade: the apron, the trowel, the T square. Masonry became fashionable, attracting the aristocracy with the genealogical tables it hinted at, but it appealed even more to the bourgeoisie, who now not only could hobnob with the nobles but were actually permitted to wear a short sword. In the wretched modern world at its birth, the nobles need a place where they can come in contact with the new producers of capitol, and the new producers of capitol are looking to be ennobled."
"But the Templars seem to have emerged later."
"The one who first established a direct relationship with the Templars, Ramsey, I'd prefer not to discuss. I suspect he was put up to it by the Jesuits. His preaching led to the birth of the Scottish wing of Masonry."
"Scottish?"
"The Scottish Rite was a Franco-German invention. London Masonry had established three degrees: entered apprentice, fellowcraft, and master. Scottish Masonry multiplied the degrees because doing so meant multiplying the levels of initiation and secrecy...."
"But what was the secret?"
"There was no secret, obviously. [428] "In short, the Duke of Bruswick, seeing the confusion around him left by Hund, realized that at this juncture there were three conflicting currents in the German Masonic world: the sapiential-occultist camp, including some Rosicrucians; the rationalist camp; and the anarchist-revolutionary camp of the Illuminati of Bavaria." [431] "It’s possible that Weishaupt’s Illuminati were really on the side of Jacobin Masonry and had infiltrated the neo-Templar branch to destry it." [433] "It’s all clear now. The English Templars put forth the Masonic proposal in order to make all the initiates of Europe rally around the Baconian plan." [434] "Masonry was the cover, the pretext behind which all these agents of different groups--God knows where the Paulicians and Jerusalemites were--met and clashed, each trying to tear a piece of the secret from the others." [434] For example, current Masonic studies believe that the Illuminati of Bavaria, who advocated the destruction of nations and the destabilization of the state, inspired not only the anarchism of Bakunin but also Marxism itself. [468] I remembered the reservation Agliè had expressed about Ramsey, the first to posit a direct connection between the Masons and the Templars; Agliè said that Ramsey had ties with Catholic circles. In fact Voltaire had already denounced Ramsey as a tool of the Jesuits. Faced with the birth of English Freemasonry, the Jesuits in France responded with Scottish neo-Templarism. [475] "In the true Masonic code no other god will be found save Mani. He is the god of the cabalist Masons, of the ancient Rosicrucians, of the Martinist Masons...." --Abbé Barruel [477] Napoleon did not hesitate: he decided to join them. He had his brother named grand master of the Great Orient, and he himself, according to many sources, made contact with the Masons and became a very high official in their ranks. [477] But in 1806 he [Napoleon] received a letter from a certain Captain Simonini, who reminded him that Mani and the Old Man of the Mountain were also Jews, that Masonry had been founded by the Jews, and that the Jews had infiltrated all the existing secret societies.[480] "The business about visual education stultifying the masses is a clear allusion to the educational program of Léon Bourgeous, who had five Masons in his government." [485] "After the Rosicrusians turn up in France, the Jesuits reverse the Plan, replacing it with its negative: discrediting the Baconians and the emerging English Masonry.
When the Jesuits invent neo-Templarism, the Marquis de Luchet attributes the Plan to the neo-Templars. The Jesuits, who by now are jettisoning the neo-Templars, copy Luchet, through Barruel, but they attribute the Plan to all Freemasons in general." [486] "There is no need to mutiply the evidence to prove that this degree of Rosy Cross was skillfully introduced by the leaders of Masonry.... The doctrine, its hatred, and its sacriligious practices, exactly those of the Cabala, of the Gnostics, and of the Manicheans, reveals to us the identity of the authors, namily the Jewish Cabalists. —Mons. Léon Meurin. [488] A final touch to the mosaic: browsing at a bookstall in Piazza Castello, I found a German work on Masonry, anonymous, in which an unknown hand had added, on the flyleaf, a note to the effect that the text was the work of one Karl Aug. Ragotgky. [491]

As well, there are several references to Cagliostro, the Comte de Saint-Germain, Martinism, McGregor Mathers, the Bavarian Illuminati, the Ordo Templi Orientis and many other historical figures and groups who have played a role in Freemasonry’s history.
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/eco.html

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THE SECRET TEACHINGS OF ALL AGES

by Manly P. Hall
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/index.htm

Nuff said




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Secret Societies on the History Channel with David Icke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRmXAeRInHM

o.m. Bilderburg,Trilaterale commisie etc, Skull en Bones etc



This was made and first broadcast before 9/11 and how prophetic it has proved to be

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How 'Conspiracy Kooks' Became More Credible Than the White House

'In the next 5 to 10 years, we are all going to live in a global version of Nazi Germany.' - David Icke

'Basically, all the conspiracy theories about secret societies wanting to take over the world are wrong.' - Daniel Pipes

'Anyone who's ever tuned into the History Channel's "Secret Societies" recognizes these quotes from its opening segment. As part of the "History's Mysteries" series, "Secret Societies" is a fun, often sensational journey inside the world of would-be cabals and plots for world domination.

Featuring volleyed testimony from various experts, the program mixes factual information and historical trivia with open speculation on the role secret societies may have played in these events. "Do shadowy and clandestine groups really rule the world?" host Arthur Kent campily inquires, before hinting at hidden subtext behind historical moments.'
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributor...edibility.html

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aha!!!!!
zoals we al gezegd hadden ivm remote vieuwing, en de oorsprong van
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Physics could be turned on its head by a monster machine that can make black holes and may provide the first real evidence that extra dimensions exist. Scientists have no idea what they will find when the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) starts smashing elementary particles together next year at energies never reached before.

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RELATIE TUSSEN MIND-CONTOL EN SATANISME


Mind Control Slavery and the New World Order

High-tech slavery is alive and well on planet Earth. Ever since World War II when the United States Government's Project Paperclip sponsored the resettlement of about 2,000 high-level Nazis in the United States, the technology of mind-control programming has advanced rapidly.

"The Germans under the Nazi government began to do serious scientific research into trauma-based mind control," write Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler in their book, The Illuminati Formula used to create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave. "Under the auspices of the Kaiser Wilhelm Medical Institute in Berlin, Josef Mengele conducted mind-control research on thousands of twins and thousands of other hapless victims."

Mengele, known as "the Angel of Death", was one of the approximately 900 military scientists and medical researchers secretly exfiltrated into the United States, where he continued his 'research' and trained others in the black arts of mind control. This work in behaviour manipulation was later incorporated into the CIA's projects Bluebird and Artichoke which, in 1953, became the notorious MKULTRA. The CIA claims that these programs were discontinued, but there is no credible evidence that "The Search for the Manchurian Candidate" (the title of the definitive book by John Marks) ever ceased.

In fact, Captain John McCarthy, US Army Special Forces (Ret.), who ran CIA assassination teams out of Saigon during the Vietnam War, told his friend, LAPD whistleblower Mike Ruppert, that "MKULTRA is a CIA acronym that officially stands for 'Manufacturing Killers Utilizing Lethal Tradecraft Requiring Assassinations'". Thus the CIA's official obsession with producing programmed killers through the MKULTRA contained more than 149 sub-programs in fields ranging from biology, pharmacology, psychology to laser physics and ESP.

More recently, new evidence points to the continuous use of so-called trauma-based programming techniques to accomplish the same goal. This includes the deliberate induction of Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) in involuntary human subjects - in essence, human guinea pigs.

MPD has been reclassified by the American Psychiatric Association as Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). The psychiatrists' bible, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV, p. 487), characterises it by:

A. The presence of two or more distinct personality states;
B. At least two of these identities or personality states recurrently take control of the person's behaviour;
C. Inability to recall important personal information that is too extensive to be explained by ordinary forgetfulness;
D. The disturbance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance or a general medical condition.

No matter what name is assigned to the problem, however, to create this condition by conscious intent is an atrocity so depraved that trauma-based mind-control programming remains the de facto Secret Holocaust of the 20th century. Known as the Monarch Project, it has been verified and corroborated by numerous survivors like Cathy O'Brien, author of TranceFormation of America, Brice Taylor, author of Starshine, and K. Sullivan, author of MK. No paper trail has been found which leads from the CIA's MKULTRA program to the Monarch Project - a catchword for mind control which involves US military, CIA, NASA and other government agencies.

The Franklin Cover-up, attorney John W. DeCamp's groundbreaking book about high-level pedophilia, also describes the sordid details of Monarch. "Drugs are not the deepest level of government-sponsored evil," he writes. "I think the lowest level of Hell is reserved for those who conjured up and carried out the 'Monarch Project'. 'Monarch' refers to young people in America who were victims of mind-control experiments run either by US government agencies such as CIA or military intelligence agencies."

DeCamp's client, Monarch abuse survivor Paul Bonacci, has a story which parallels the victimology of O'Brien, Taylor and Sullivan - an extensive cross-corroboration of perpetrators and their methodology. It's simply "the production of a horde of children in whom the soul is crushed, who would spy, whore, kill and commit suicide", in the words of investigative reporter Anton Chaitkin, quoted by DeCamp in his book.

Recovering Monarch victims speak of ongoing trauma through "ritual abuse", also known as "satanic ritual abuse" because of the identifiable iconography of a belief structure associated with Satanism or Luciferianism. By using drugs, hypnosis, torture and electroshock, the Monarch criminal perpetrators have produced new and succeeding generations of victims.

This is not science fiction, but science fact. MPD involves the creation of personality "alters": alternative personalities or personality fragments which can be used for specific tasks - usually for illegal activities like delivering drugs or other black-market activities (mules), messages (couriers) or killings (assassins). These alters, or soul fragments, are segregated and compartmentalised within the victim's mind by the repeated use of stun guns, drugs and hypnosis, which isolates the memories of their experiences.

An alter can be accessed by anyone who knows the "codes" or "triggers". These triggers, which induce an altered or trance state in a programmed victim, can be anything including telephone tones, nursery rhymes, dialogue from certain movies or hand signals.

According to Springmeier and Wheeler, whose 468-page book has become a reference in the field, "...the basis for the success of the Monarch mind-control programming is that different personalities or personality parts called 'alters' can be created who do not know each other, but who can take the body at different times. The amnesia walls that are built by traumas form a protective shield of secrecy that prevents the abusers from being found out and prevents the front personalities who hold the body much of the time to know how their system of alters is being used."

The mind-control programming, however, has not worked according to plan. In fact, the perpetrators, in their arrogance and hubris, never dreamed that their methods could fail. The retrieval of survivors' photographic-like memories of actual abuse incidents, including images, sounds and smells, constitutes a major exposure of human rights abuses. These victims bear witness to the secret atrocities of the so-called New World Order.

MORE ON ILLUMINATI MIND CONTROL
According to John Coleman, author of Conspirators Hierarchy: The Committee of 300: "...the Illuminati is very much alive and well in America... Since the Illuminati is also known as Satanism, it must follow that the CIA was controlled by a Satanist while Dulles had charge of it. The same holds true for George Bush [a member of the Order of Skull and Bones].

"Given the ghastly mind-control experiments constantly being conducted by the CIA, and its past connections to fiendish monsters like Dr Campbell and Dr Sidney Gottlieb, it does not take much to conclude that the CIA follows satanic roads," Coleman concludes in his monograph, "Illuminati in America".

With regards to "the brainwashing capabilities of the Tavistock Institute as well as US Department of Defense projects like the Advanced Research Project Agency", Coleman writes that "...the bottom line of the projects is mind control as predicted by the book, The Technotronic Era, by Zbigniew Brzezinski. The project goes by the name 'Monarch Program' and it is a vast project involving not only the CIA but the Army, Air Force and Navy with all of their skills and vast resources."

SULLIVAN'S TRAVELS
The horrific torture and sexual abuse of children, also called "satanic ritual abuse", has been a key component in the creation of mind-controlled slaves.

Mind-control survivor K. Sullivan has written an astounding book called MK, a fictionalised account of her life, which describes the world of multiple personalities. To her credit, Sullivan has been able to reconstruct from her memories the actual mechanics and methodology of going from one alter state to another. A programmed assassin and sex slave, Sullivan says she was abused and raped by Robert Maxwell, Henry Kissinger, George Bush and Billy Graham, among others. One of her controllers was deceased CIA operative James Jesus Angleton, who has been widely regarded as a KGB and Mossad asset.

In a recent interview, Sullivan spoke about her background as a "family-generational slave" to the elite and about her stepfather, now deceased, who was initially her primary programmer. His cover was a church-going, upstanding citizen, a professional mechanical and systems engineer with a curious interest in robotics.

"There were a number of people who trained, conditioned, then broke my will, broke my psyche and programmed me in different altered states," she said in a recent interview. "My father was the one who did me the most. He did it through terror. He did it through torture. He was a very brilliant man, and he seemed to enjoy doing it to me and other children."

Confirming that her father was "horribly abused as a child", Sullivan added: "I know that for certain. His father was a Welsh Druid who had been sold as a child to a ship captain who brought him over to the US. At least that's the mentality in my family, for slavery of children to be okay. I heard this from older family members. They've never denied it. But my grandfather was a covert Druid as well. I'm sure he brought the religion over with him. One of the things he would do is go to the graveyard near his house and dig up bodies, then take them into the basement and take them apart and have fun with them. And he also did rituals out in the woods sometimes at night. He would sacrifice babies. And I was exposed to that. So I'm sure my father was, too, which left him no other alternative but to become like his father."

And how is this behaviour related to Satanism or is it just generational child abuse?

"I think it's both," she answered slowly. "And what it boils down to is these people are doing illegal activities. Criminals tend to find criminals. They tend to gravitate toward each other. It's amazing how they can find each other out. My grandfather developed connections to the Mafia in our area. I understand it was the Colombo family. I don't know what he did exactly, but I do have one memory of riding in a cement truck where he and other drivers with cement trucks were using the cement from the trucks to bury several bodies. So I guess they just did whatever needed to be done. That was in New York and Pennsylvania. My father was an assassin as well as other things, and these people really enjoy killing people. He killed people more for favours than for hire. He got to have as many kids as he wanted to raise."

Her father also had CIA and NASA connections. "The CIA work seems to be rather covert. He worked for Western Electric and later on for AT&T," Sullivan said. "I found out, since then, that Western Electric has had very strong CIA ties. I have been able to go through some of his papers since his death in 1990, and I have found on his desk calendar for that year that he had several contacts with NASA. Since then I have remembered that there were several facilities that he took me to that were NASA facilities. The NASA connections seem to be directly connected to the Paperclip connection. The Nazis were brought into the country and then were integrated into the NASA structure after the war.

"My father, because of his Celtic background, had very low self-esteem," continued Sullivan. "Being exposed to some of these Nazi war criminals seemed to mean a whole lot to him because he had a mother that was German. Between the Celtic background and a German mother, these men built up his self-esteem as far as being Aryan. He very much identified with them, and I think, from what I understand, he got a lot of his training especially from one man I knew as Dr Schwartz. He had slightly wavy black hair and very dark eyes. He was slim. I can't say his height because I was just a child. He had a definite German accent. People called him Herr Doctor or Dr Schwartz, one of the two. Sometimes he was called Dr Black. He was a pedophile for sure and he was a very cold man. He liked to make kids think that they would feel safe with him, but he would do something that would upset the children and then they would be afraid of him after that."

MULTI-MODE PROGRAMMING
Sullivan said that she was used to sexually service both males and females in the Beta mode, and to do assassination, bodyguarding and intrusions in hostage situations in the Delta mode.

And what is Alpha, Beta, Delta and Theta programming?

"Alpha was the basis for all the other programs," she continued. "It seems to be where a lot of information was stored in my memory, in my mind, that was used by programmers to develop the other programs. It's where some of my more generic alter states were also stored. Beta was the sexual servicing part of me. They also sometimes called the alter state 'Barbie'. It was supposed to be named after Klaus Barbie." Like Barbie doll?

Survivors Cathy O'Brien and Brice Taylor were also subjected to Beta, or sex-slave, programming. They, like actress Marilyn Monroe, were called "presidential models", mind-controlled slaves for the use of high-level politicians.

According to Springmeier's book, "...in 1981, the New World Order made training films for their novice programmers. Monarch slave Cathy O'Brien was used to make the film How To Divide a Personality and How To Create a Sex Slave. Two Huntsville porn photographers were used to help NASA create these training films."

Sullivan recalled: "I was used both as a child and as an adult in those alter states, and I had more than one. In those alter states I would not resist. I had no anger. I was an absolute sexual slave and I would do whatever I was told to do."

Delta programming is military-assassin programming that has trickled into popular consciousness through movies like La Femme Nikita, its American remake, Point of No Return, and The Long Kiss Goodnight.

Regarding the Delta programming, Sullivan said: "...it was when I was used to do hits, kills, and also bodyguarding and hostage extraction. I had a great number of alter personalities that had specialised training and had different modes to do different things."

Why was the training kept separate for different alters?

"Part of it was so I wouldn't recall too much at any one time - if I did start to remember," she said. "And also because they hand-pick each part out for a certain type of situation. If you had a part coming out that was very loyal to people that that part was bodyguarding, you don't want that part going off and killing somebody. And you don't want a part that's specifically programmed to kill coming out and feeling sorry for the target. So you have to keep the emotions and the motives separate as well. And so that's why they had to have different parts."

Sullivan's description of Theta programming seems to correlate with the development and use of so-called extrasensory powers and extraphysical abilities.

"Theta was where they used - I don't like the word 'psychic' because I think it's been so misused - thought energy," she said. "I just knew it as magnetic-type energy from the individual to do a number of different things that they were experimenting with, including long-distance mind connection with other people - even in other countries. I guess you would call it 'remote viewing' - where I could see what a person was doing in another state in a room or something like that.

"It was both actual programming and experimentation. Because what they did - they kept it encapsulated in several parts of me, several altered states. It was a lot of training, a lot of experimentation."

Theta programming also implies the use of thought energy to kill someone at a distance.

"A lot of times I ran across other victims with Theta programming," Sullivan said in a recent CKLN radio interview. "One of the movie and book themes they used extensively was Dune, by Frank Herbert. It won't be too hard to figure because what they taught us was that we could cause things to happen to other people. It was to build up rage inside. It would come out in a form of pure energy that would hit them... They had talked about people imploding internally in their digestive organs. I don't know because I can't see what goes on inside another body, but I do know that it does work."

The calculated admixture of doing good and evil seems to be a hallmark of the Illuminati methodology. It's as if they recognise, at a spiritual level, that all the horrible karma they create can be balanced by generous philanthropic gestures; for example, giving a billion dollars to the United Nations, or other feats of extraordinary compassion.

"Also, they tried to use me for hands-on healing because I had a grandmother who was a healer from Sweden," said Sullivan. "So they were trying - that was me and several other survivors I talked to since - to use them in that mode also. And hands-on healing means that you would focus electromagnetic energy into the other person's body."

BRICE TAYLOR'S ORDEAL
Another book, Brice Taylor's Starshine: One Woman's Valiant Escape from Mind Control, corroborates Cathy O'Brien's and K. Sullivan's experiences. Even though it's a fictionalised account, the book clearly indicates that major crimes have been - and are being - committed by the major players of the world's power elites.

Brice Taylor was also a "presidential model", and in a recent interview she went into intimate details of her many experiences with politicians promoting the New World Order.

"What it [being a presidential model] means," she explained, "is that your program is to have sex with presidents; and I did overhear this, that different politicians were encouraged to use CIA escorts for sex, so they wouldn't be in a vulnerable position if they ever disclosed any national security secrets to anyone on the outside, or for blackmail."

And how would she characterise this so-called New World Order?

"It is an attempt to bring in a One World Government in which elite families have things the way they want. Their belief was that the planet was overpopulated and that something had to be done: psychological and biological warfare. They considered mind control as a tool, their ace in the hole, something really different that would act as an invisible weapon."

ADVENTURES WITH HENRY K. AND THE COUNCIL
In her recovery, Brice Taylor also had memories of being used by Henry Kissinger as a mind-controlled courier.

"If you program someone to have a perfect photographic memory and total recall, then you have the capacity to be able to deal with many different tasks and assignments simultaneously," she explains. "Henry Kissinger created a 'mindfile' inside of my head. I would be sent around to all these leaders to keep their data - on some of their projects or whatever their agenda was - sorted. When they'd meet people, I would be programmed by either Kissinger or Nelson Rockefeller. This was in the mid-1960s."

But who's running the 'show'?

"I think there's this other layer that I call 'the Council' in my book," Taylor explained. "I know that this is a group of men that stand head and shoulders above even Kissinger and the Rockefellers. They have been genetically engineered in a way that they have [she hesitated, searching for the right words] different leadership abilities and that they are actually the ones running the plan."

They refer to themselves as "the Council"?

"Yes. When I was telling other people within the intelligence community about it that were involved in it, they said they call themselves the Council. The CIA has all these mind-control operatives that are working for the Government. Then there's the Council, which also understands about the mind-control project. But the Council is not CIA controlled. They could take someone like myself and be able to debrief me to find out what my agenda was."

MORE BAD MEMORIES
And how did Ms Taylor first figure out she was suffering from MPD and that she was a programmed multiple?

"It started in 1985," said Taylor. "I had a very serious car accident in which my head went through the windshield. I began to have memory flashes like a memory bleed-through from one alter to another. I think what occurred was I began having access to both sides of my brain. Before, with all the sophisticated programming, half my brain was shut away from me. Now the neuron pathways had opened up because of the accident. I know of other women who have also had memories come back."

So a blow to the brain had broken up the programming?

"Exactly," she said. "What happened is my memories began coming back. I was in school, working on my Master's degree in psychology, when a flood of memories came back. I have a closet full of journals. I wrote down everything I was remembering. Once I got to a certain level, I had a lot of therapeutic support because, every time I'd start remembering, I'd want to hurt myself or kill myself. I lost control of my body in a car on the freeway in the fast lane one time as I was trying to really understand how programming worked. I was trying to understand from inside; a part of me was trying to explain programming to me, and I was on the freeway in the fast lane and I could not move my body. It was terrifying. These are the kinds of things I had to constantly fight.

"When I deprogrammed I literally spent two years in my bedroom, drinking coffee, just writing everything down," she said. "They programmed me with perfect photographic memory. When memories came back, like the ones with Kissinger, I not only could hear his words and his voice, I could smell his cigar. I could smell his farts. I mean, I could hear and see as I remembered everything in my mind."

THE SATANIC RITUAL MURDER CONNECTION
Missing children, sexual abuse of children and pedophilia around the world all point to the involvement of an organised network of high-level criminals who covertly control the legal system. Former FBI agent and private investigator Ted Gunderson agrees. He claims that "there's a considerable overlap from various groups and organisations, but one of the driving forces is the satanic cult movement today".

In his video, Satanism and the CIA's International Trafficking of Children, Gunderson refers to the notorious black magician Aleister Crowley. "The Satanists have used his writings as a guide," he says, referring to Crowley's Magick in Theory and Practice.

In Chapter XII, "Of the Bloody Sacrifice" (p. 94), Crowley writes: "It would be unwise to condemn as irrational the practice of those savages who tear the heart and liver from an adversary and devour them while yet warm. In any case it was the theory of the ancient Magicians that any living being is a storehouse of energy, varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal, and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of the animal this energy is liberated suddenly.

"The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle [the satanic circle] or the Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape. An animal should be selected whose nature accords with that of the ceremony - thus by sacrificing a female lamb one would not obtain any appreciate quantity of the fierce energy useful to the Magician who was invoking Mars. In such a case a ram would be more suitable. And this ram should be virgin - the whole potential of its original total energy should not have been diminished in any way. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains that greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim."

"We're talking about human sacrifice here," says Gunderson.

More recently the 'tradition' of human sacrifice has been promoted by the late Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan, who wrote in the Satanic Bible (p. 88) that "the only time a Satanist would perform a human sacrifice would be if he were to serve a twofold purpose; that being to release the magickian's [sic] wrath in throwing a curse and, more importantly, to dispose of a totally obnoxious and deserving person".

Note the casual reference to murdering someone because he or she 'displeased' the Satanist/black magician. Ding dong, LaVey is dead, but his crimes live on. He's been named by several of his victim-slaves as a mind-control perpetrator. The late 'perp' himself wrote in the Satanic Bible (p. 90) that "the ideal sacrifice may be emotionally insecure, but nonetheless can in the machinations of his insecurity cause severe damage to your tranquility or sound reputation".

The Satanists, after all, follow Crowley's injunction: "Do what thou wilt. That is the the law." In other words, Satanists as gods themselves will decide what to do - bypassing God's laws as well as the laws of men. It sounds like the modus operandi of the Illuminati.

Gunderson makes this further comment in his video: "In my estimation, there are over three million practising Satanists in America today. How did I come up with these figures? I have informants. For instance, in the South Bay area of Los Angeles with a population of 200,000, he told me there are 3,000 practising Satanists. That is where the well-known McMartin Preschool case took place. I have an informant in Lincoln, Nebraska. In Iowa City, Iowa, a town of 150,000 - 1,500 Satanists. It averages to about 1.5 per cent of the population."

Gunderson asserts that "...50,000 to 60,000 individuals are sacrificed every year. There are about eight satanic holidays."

The sick joke of it all? The FBI keeps a count of stolen or missing cars, but has yet to keep a tab on missing children in America.

CRYPTO-SATANIST IN THE FBI?
You shouldn't be surprised to know that FBI Supervisory Special Agent Kenneth V. Lanning, of the Behavioral Science Unit of the National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime, denies the existence of satanic ritual abuse in his 1992 Investigator's Guide to Allegations of Ritual Child Abuse. Lanning's intellectual posturing and specious reasoning should be studied as a prime example of serpentine logic. His semantics are brilliant, as he claims that "the words 'satanic', 'occult' and 'ritual' are often used interchangeably" and "it is difficult to define Satanism precisely". Then he frames the discussion of Satanism in non-judgemental terms, that "it is important to realize that for some people any religious belief system other than their own is satanic".

As Pilate asked "What is truth?", Lanning asks "What is Satanism?" He writes that at "...law enforcement training conferences, it is witchcraft, santeria, paganism and the occult that are most often referred to as forms of Satanism. It may be a matter of definition, but these things are not necessarily the same as traditional Satanism." He almost trips over himself declaiming the impossibility of knowing the definition. Then he dismisses satanic ritual abuse as a simple psychological problem: "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder".

Of course, if he had taken the time to interview true believers, he would know that it's an actual belief system based on the ritual performance of torture and murder in loyalty to Satan and as an exchange for future rewards from the forces of darkness.

Lanning's denial, ignoring the evidence of mind-control atrocities and ritual abuse, is astonishing. Is Lanning a crypto-Satanist? He's publicly denied it, but he didn't have to bother. His "freedom of religion" is protected by the US Constitution.

FATAL JUSTICE REVISITED
Private investigator Ted L. Gunderson was dragged kicking and screaming into the netherworld of Satanism, child kidnapping, drug smuggling and other corruption.

Before he retired in 1979, Gunderson was the FBI Special Agent in Charge (SAC) in Los Angeles. He headed the FBI office, where he had 800 people under him and a yearly budget of over US$24 million. Since then, Gunderson's role as a private investigator and security consultant has led him to expose CIA drug dealing, child kidnapping and trafficking, mind control, and satanic murder-for-hire groups. He has also investigated many high-profile cases like the Dr Jeffrey McDonald case, the McMartin Preschool case, Nebraska's Franklin Cover-up case, the Oklahoma City Bombing case, the Inslaw/Octopus case, and many other real-life criminal conspiracies.

"Shortly after my retirement, I was asked to investigate the Jeffrey R. McDonald case as a private investigator," said Gunderson in a recent interview. "He's a doctor who was convicted of murdering his wife and two children at Fort Bragg, North Carolina on February 17, 1970. I put in about 2,000 hours on the case. He had been convicted and sentenced to three consecutive life sentences. Much to my surprise, the evidence that I read, the information I developed...I've established beyond any question of a doubt that this man is absolutely innocent."

Jerry Allen Potter, author of Fatal Justice, a powerful point-by-point refutation of Joe McGinnis's cover-up book, Fatal Vision, agrees. His book exposes McGinnis's best-seller as pure fiction.

Gunderson continued: "I obtained a signed confession from Helena Stokely, the girl in the floppy hat, for those who are familiar with the case. She said Dr McDonald did not commit these crimes. They were committed, she said '...by my satanic cult group. It was my initiation into the cult that night,' she said."

After a while, Gunderson realised that the McDonald case was a classic case of US Government crime and cover-up.

"She gave me detailed information about movements within the house. She told me she attempted to ride a rocking horse in the child's bedroom that night, but she couldn't ride it because the spring was broken. The only way she could have known that was to have been there that night.

"I submitted an 1100-plus page report in March 1981 to Judge William Webster, who was then the head of the FBI, with a personal letter to him and to the US Department of Justice. Much to my surprise, my 19 witnesses including Helena Stokely started calling me and telling me, 'Hey Ted, they're trying to get me to recant.' And I'm telling myself, 'That isn't the responsibility of the FBI. The FBI is supposed to gather information, not destroy it.' And that was my first clue that we had a serious problem in that case and in the other cases I handled. I noticed in each instance that evidence was destroyed, lost, stolen; that there were strong indications of corruption.

"So I asked myself, 'What's going on here?' And over the years I started gathering materials. Up until about two years ago, I kept saying, 'There's a loose-knit network operating in this country, involving drugs, pedophilia, prostitution, corruption, etc. From my research, I'm convinced it's much more serious. It's much more than a loose-knit network. It is a conspiracy. And you know how the media goes after you when you use that 'c'-word. And I'm going to prove it to you. By the way, this conspiracy involves pornography, drugs, pedophilia and organised child kidnapping.

"My 'missing children' lecture documents that the Finders, an organisation in Washington, DC, is a CIA front," said Gunderson. "It's a covert operation involved in international trafficking of children."

He was referring to a US Customs Service report which states that the Finders case is to be closed because it is "an internal CIA matter".

Gunderson added: "These people - the satanic movement in the world - have set up preschools for the purpose of getting their hands on our children. The parents drop them off at nine in the morning and pick them up at night."

Far-fetched? Think again. In The Law Is For All, Aleister Crowley writes: "Moreover, the Beast 666 [Crowley's reference to himself] adviseth that all children shall be accustomed from infancy to witness every type of sexual act, as also the process of birth, lest falsehood fog and mystery stupefy their minds whose error else might thwart and misdirect the growth of their subconscious system of self-symbolism."

SPIRITUAL WARFARE AND SATANIC IMPERIALISM
Sexual abuse of children and horrific mind control technology may be tenets of 'faith' for the Satanist believer as well as the programmer. Or they may be symptomatic of a larger struggle on a cosmic scale. When you peer in the face of Absolute Evil, you cannot remain complacent.

Therapist Dr M. Scott Peck, author of The People of the Lie, writes: "...at one point I defined evil as 'the exercise of political power that is the imposition of one's will upon others by overt or covert coercion in order to avoid...spiritual growth'".

Psychologist Erich Fromm, author of The Heart of Man, defines this struggle between Good and Evil as biophilia (the love of life) vs necrophilia (the love of death). "The necrophilous person is driven by the desire to transform the organic into the inorganic, to approach life mechanically as if all living persons were things," he writes. "The necrophilous person can relate to an object - a flower or a person - only if he possesses it; hence a threat to his possession is a threat to himself... He loves control and in the act of controlling he kills life... 'Law and order' for them are idols..."

In the end, it may be that spiritual warfare - or the clash of the absolutes - is the real reason why ritual abuse and high-tech mind control have been exposed. Satanic imperialism continues unabated, and the battle for planet Earth moves to the next stage.
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Dear Lovers of Liberty, the struggle is just beginning! Get ready...

Are you aware by May of 2008 the law will require you to carry a national identification card?


Are you aware that there are plans being developed to have all Americans embedded with a Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) computer chip under their skin so they can be tracked wherever they go?

Are you aware the Supreme Court has ruled that the government has no authority to impose a direct unapportioned tax on the labor of the American people, and the 16th Amendment does not give the government that power?

Are you aware that computer voting machines can be rigged and there is no way to ensure that your vote is counted?

Aaron Russo is proud to announce the opening of "America: Freedom to Fascism" in theaters around the country. Tell your friends, family and co-workers - Everyone must see this film! Please forward this email to everyone you know!
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ja en nee

zo staat bv het vrijheidsbeeld in de USA voor vrijheid
In 'werkelijkheid' of vanuit een andere cultuur (illuminati)
staat ie voor Queen Semerimis.en dat maakt het beeld meteen minder fris
btw het beeld is geschonken door franse vrijmetselaars aan de vrijmetselaars in de USA
De toorts die ze ddraagt staat voor 'illumination' kennnis die
wij, het vee het klootjes volk niet hebben.
Deze toorts zie je heel veel in logo''s terug. Toeval?? denk het toch eg niet!
Semerimis zei je? En wie mag dit wel wezen? Google leverde niet echt veel historische referenties op over die naam
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Stephen F. Roberts: "...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
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Semerimis zei je? En wie mag dit wel wezen? Google leverde niet echt veel historische referenties op over die naam

een 'godin' aanbeden door de vrijmetselaars(>33)

lees mijn aanbevolen boek
of bv dit:

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The founder of Babylon according to ancient texts and legend was Nimrod who reigned with his wife, Queen Semiramis. Nimrod was described as a ‘mighty tyrant' and one of the ‘giants.' The Arabs believed that after the flood it was Nimrod who built or rebuilt the amazing structure at Baalbek in Lebanon with its three stones weighing 800 tons each. It was said that he ruled the region that is now Lebanon and, according to Genesis, the first centers of Nimrod's kingdom were Babylon, Akkad and others in the land of Shinar (Sumer). Later he expanded further into Assyria to build cities like Nineveh where many of the Sumerian Tablets were found.

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Daarom dat het Shell noemt. Als het Shell noemt was de "normale" bedoeling een schelp hé. Ik denk dat het net een zon moet voorstellen.
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Ja, dat is een mogelijke uitleg, maar het komt ook van het alziend ook hoor. dit kan je zien aan een vroeger logo waarin het oog in een pyramide wordt gestopt:

Stel nu dat het inderdaad gekozen is voor zijn betekenis, welke betekenis attribueer je dan aan dit symbool?

Enkele links die je mischien helpen

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Die obelisk is door een romeins keizer gestolen in Egypte en in het colloseum geplaatst en is later door een middeleeuwse paus naar het St Pietersplein verplaatst. Hoe die obelisk in Washington is beland weet ik niet (komt die echt uit Egypte of is het namaak). Ik zie hier absoluut de symboliek niet van in.
Tegenwoordig pikken ze toch echt wel alles eh?
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Hoe maak je van dit een zon?





Stel nu dat het inderdaad gekozen is voor zijn betekenis, welke betekenis attribueer je dan aan dit symbool?

Enkele links die je mischien helpen

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence

het oog van Horus (Daar komt het woord horizon vandaan)
Horus-sun. En wat is de occulte (verborgen) betekenis van het
"het oog van Horus"? Het oog van "de architect van het universum " en
da is volgens de vrijmetselaren (>33) de duivel of lucifer!

And so on and so forth


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pfff hebben wa al niet vaak gezegd dat de officiele geschiedschrijving hogwash is? aha
Graag had ik geweten hoe je deze statement kan maken, om de geschiedenis te vervalsen moet je namelijk alle geschiedkundigen in uwe zak hebben, i find that highly unlikely.
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Ik heb hier zelfs titels neergezet over het shape shiften en dan is
het opeens stil, heel stil
Maar goed zal het nog een keer doen:
Je verwacht toch niet dat wij nu allemaal naar buiten gaan lopen om dat boek te kopen?

BTW, even een logische denkoefening, volgens jou zijn de media, de geschiedenis & de wetenschap bedrog, als dit waar is, hoe kan je dan met enige zekerheid weten dat dit boek, dat via de media (pers) verdeeld word, correct is & geen bedrog?
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Stephen F. Roberts: "...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
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Graag had ik geweten hoe je deze statement kan maken, om de geschiedenis te vervalsen moet je namelijk alle geschiedkundigen in uwe zak hebben, i find that highly unlikely.
Ok dit is een fout die vele mensen maken
Ten eerste heb je een idee hoe ze het gedaan zoudebn hebben,
namelijk alle geschiedkundigen in uw zak hebben.
Welnu, dat vergelijkt u met wat mogelijk is en dan zegt U
dat het niet kan. nee , idd niet volgens Uw voorstelling
Maar het kan vrij simpel hoor. indoctrineer iedereen dat jouw instelling solide en betrouwbaar is. Geef daarna verkeerde info en voila!
(dit is een van de voorbeelden hoe het werkt)
Mijn bekende voorbeeld is dat veel tandartsen, nog steeds, fluoride
aansmeren, ondanks dat het geen fris goedje is.
En als je vraagt waarom ze het aansmeren zeggen ze doodleuk dat ze
dat geleerd hebben! Al die tandartsen volgen dus de officiele versie om
hun eigen redenen.Om er bij te horen, om niet na te hoeven denken, om
de groepsdruk, om hun hoofd niet buiten het maaiveld te steken,
omdat ze onder druk gezet worden door de faraceurische industrie etc
Ben ik een beetje duidelijk?

And so on and so forth

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