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![]() 'The United States of America and the Kosovo Liberation Army stand for the same human values and principles ... Fighting for the KLA is fighting for human rights and American values." So declared the neocon US senator (and current foe of WikiLeaks) Joseph Lieberman back in 1999 at the height of the US-led military intervention against Slobodan Miloševic's Yugoslavia.
It would be interesting to hear what Senator Lieberman makes of the report of the Council of Europe – Europe's premier human rights watchdog – on his favourite band of freedom fighters. The report, which cites FBI and other intelligence sources, details horrific rights abuses it claims have been carried out by the KLA, the west's allies in the war against Yugoslavia 11 years ago. The council claims that civilians – Serbian and non-KLA-supporting Kosovan Albanians detained by the KLA in the 1999 hostilities – were shot in northern Albania and their kidneys extracted and sold on the black market. It names Hashim Thaçi, the former leader of the KLA and Kosovo's prime minister, as the boss of a "mafia-like" group engaged in criminal activity – including heroin trading – since before the 1999 war. The report is a damning indictment not only of the KLA but also of western policy. And it also gives lie to the fiction that Nato's war with Yugoslavia was, in Tony Blair's words, "a battle between good and evil; between civilisation and barbarity; between democracy and dictatorship". It was a fiction many on the liberal left bought into. In 1999 Blair was seen not as a duplicitous warmonger in hock to the US but as an ethical leader taking a stand against ethnic cleansing. But if the west had wanted to act morally in the Balkans and to protect the people in Kosovo there were solutions other than war with the Serbs, and options other than backing the KLA – the most violent group in Kosovan politics. They could have backed genuine multi-party negotiations, or offered to lift sanctions on Belgrade if a peaceful solution to the problem of Kosovo could be found. Instead, a virulently anti-Serb stance led the west into taking ever more extreme positions, and siding with an organisation which even Robert Gelbard, President Clinton's special envoy to Kosovo, described as "without any question, a terrorist group". In 2000 the Sunday Times revealed that, prior to the Nato bombing, US agents had been training the KLA. Shaban Shala, a KLA commander, claimed he had met British and US agents in north Albania in 1996. It was the KLA's campaign of violence against Yugoslav state officials, Serbian and Kosovan civilians in 1998, which led to an escalation of the conflict with the government in Belgrade, with atrocities committed on both sides. We were told the outbreak of war in March 1999 with Nato was the Serbian government's fault, yet Lord Gilbert, the UK defence minister, admitted "the terms put to Miloševic at Rambouillet [the international conference preceding the war] were absolutely intolerable … it was quite deliberate". The subsequent 78-day "humanitarian" bombardment of federal Yugoslavia massively intensified the ethnic cleansing of Kosovan Albanians by Yugoslav forces. Between 2,000 and 10,000 Kosovan Albanians were killed by these forces, with between 500 and 1,500 people killed by the Nato bombing. But even after Russian pressure forced a Yugoslav withdrawal from Kosovo, ethnic cleansing and rights abuses in the region continued. Under the Nato occupation an estimated 200,000 ethnic Serbs, Roma and other minorities from south Kosovo, and almost the whole Serb population of Pristina, have been forced from their homes. A report on Kosovo by Minority Rights Group International claimed: "Nowhere [in Europe] is there such a level of fear for so many minorities that they will be harassed or attacked, simply for who they are." And in October 2010, a report by Human Rights Watch stated that "Roma and related minority groups deported from western Europe to Kosovo face discrimination and severe deprivation amounting to human rights abuse". As for democratic advances, Sunday's elections in Kosovo, boycotted by the Serbian minority, have seen widespread allegations of fraud, with a turnout of 149% reported in one area. Far from being Tony Blair's "good war", Nato's assault on Yugoslavia was in its own way as immoral as the assault on Iraq. But as the Iraq war has become discredited, so it is even more important for the supporters of "liberal interventionism" to promote the line that Kosovo was in some way a success. The Council of Europe's report on the KLA's crimes makes that position much harder to maintain. And if it plays its part in making people more sceptical about any future western "liberal interventions", it is to be warmly welcomed. https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...l-intervention |
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![]() Het regime wil helemaal geen vrede, en wat ze nog minder willen is democratie, dat de bewoners zich kunnen uitspreken over hun eigen lot.
Blijkbaar zijn ze bang van de opinie van die bevolkingen. En blijkbaar geldt dat ook voor het Westen, dat het regime met een vingerknip kan dwingen zo n vredesplan te aanvaarden. De reactie van het regime zal het "globale zuiden" er niet van overtuigen hun kant te kiezen, in tegendeel. SINGAPORE, June 3 (Reuters) - Indonesia's defence minister on Saturday proposed a peace plan to end the war in Ukraine, calling for a demilitarised zone and a United Nations referendum in what he called disputed territory. Ukrainian foreign ministry spokesperson Oleg Nikolenko dismissed the plan, reiterating Kyiv's position that Russia should withdraw its troops from Ukraine. Speaking on the same panel, Josep Borrell Fontelles, high representative and vice president of the European Union's European Commission, noted that if military support for Ukraine stopped, the war would quickly end - but with that country's sovereignty falling to outside aggression. https://www.reuters.com/world/indone...an-2023-06-03/ Laatst gewijzigd door tomm : 4 juni 2023 om 17:27. |
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Het lot van Oekraine is veel te belangrijk voor West-Europa ! |
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Nooit gehoord van de "Rode Terreur"? Wat hadden bijvoorbeeld de kinderen van de tsaar misdaan, misschien? De bittere waarheid is dat de Bolsjewieken op bijzonder brutale wijze de 'Revolutie' gekaapt hebben, en daarbij geen ogenblik aarzelden over (grote hopen) lijken te gaan. Zelfs, of misschien beter nog: VOORAL mede-revolutionairen mochten het bekopen. ![]()
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Uiteraard ga ik niet akkoord met het vermoorden van kinderen, maar die kinderen konden als troonopvolger een grote rol spelen. Maar de Sovjets roeiden geen Joden, etc. uit puur en alleen om hun afkomst, zoals de Witten dat wel deden. De overgrote meerderheid van de ter dood veroordeelden waren politieke tegenstanders, rijke boeren die zich verzetten tegen de collectivisatie, partijgenoten waarvan Stalin dacht dat ze een gevaar vormden, generaals, enzovoort. We hebben het nu over jaren 20, etc. toen Westerse rijken op grote schaal gruwelijke misdaden pleegden op de gekoloniseerde volkeren, maar dat vinden westerse historici en media precies minder interessant dan de misdaden van de bolsjevieken. Overigens in Rusland waren westerse troepen, ze beschouwden Rusland onder de tsaren als een soort halve kolonie en westerse bedrijven hadden er hele sectoren in handen. De Engelsen hadden bvb. een concentratiekamp in Noord-Rusland tijdens de burgeroorlog. In naam van het Britse koningshuis bvb. werden gruwelijke misdaden gepleegd. Al hun paleizen en bezittingen werden gefinancierd door die landen en hun bevolking keihard uit te buiten. Toch werden al duizend keer meer boeken en artikels geschreven over Diana of over de misdaden van de Russen dan daarover. De Chinezen en het globale zuiden zijn die misdaden alvast niet vergeten, en hebben de gigantische hypocrisie van het Westen wel door. Laatst gewijzigd door tomm : 4 juni 2023 om 20:55. |
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"Met de huidige technologie kun je zelfs camera s bij mensen thuis plaatsen, en als die iets anders dan Frans horen, komt er automatisch een drone om die woning te vernietigen."Dat wordt waarschijnlijk op dit ogenblik uitgerold in Oekraïne. Oekraïne is een eerste test van de Angelsaksen op dit vlak, net zoals het ook voor heel wat andere zaken een laboratorium is (herinner de biolabs, een onderwerp waaromtrent weinig tot niets in het nieuws komt). Dystopische technologie heet dat. Men heeft de gewoonte hieromtrent met een beschuldigende vinger naar China te wijzen maar of dat klopt is wat anders. Men wijst vanuit de Angelsaksische wereld graag naar China terwijl het in de praktijk veeleer omgekeerd is, m.n. wat de Angelsaksen momenteel in Oekraïne doen met een Orwelliaanse applicatie genaamd Diia. Ze willen daar verder in gaan en de applicatie in meer landen toepassen. Dit is mijns inziens een gevaar, niet alleen voor Oekraïne, maar voor heel Europa en heel wat andere landen, dewelke een laboratorium kunnen worden, bestuurd door dystopische technologie afkomstig uit een vreemd continent.
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Hebben de Russen in die 100 jaar nog steeds niets geleerd ? Laatst gewijzigd door cato : 4 juni 2023 om 22:49. |
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![]() Rusland wordt inderdaad al 100 jaar in de tang genomen door de Angelsaksen. Zie de Hartland theorie van Mackinder. Eens die tang eraf gehaald kan de belegering beëindigd worden en kan Rusland zijn normale plaats opnieuw innemen.
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![]() Het neoconservatieve (en ook neoliberale) mantra nog eens herhaald:
https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/st...41864626311168 "If Ukraine pulls out then we're all looking at a world war" Dus, hier heb je het, zwart op wit, de Angelsaksen gaan er een wereldoorlog van maken.
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“They’re Not After Me, They’re After You. I’m Just In the Way.” Donald J. Trump Laatst gewijzigd door stab : 5 juni 2023 om 09:10. |
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Hartland theorie: voorbijgestreefd door de FEITEN ! |
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![]() Nog steeds minder dan 10000 burgerslachtoffers, dat is erg weinig voor een oorlog op zulke schaal in een verstedelijkt land. In Irak bijna een miljoen volgens sommige tellingen, dus de Russen hebben alvast meer geleerd dan de Amerikanen.
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Het Westen had het einde van de koude oorlog kunnen aangrijpen om constructief met de Russen samen te werken maar ze besloten deze landen te destabiliseren, omsingelen, aan te vallen (Servie bvb.) en verarmen. (zie boven) De huidige oorlog is daar een rechtstreeks gevolg van. |
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Oekraine kende zware hongersnoden net voor de bolsjevieken aan de macht kwamen. Oekraine en Rusland werden al eeuwen geteisterd door hongersnoden, de laatste was in de jaren 30. Dat de "Holodomor" de schuld van de Bolsjevieken zou zijn werd voor het eerst beweert door een zekere Goebbels. |
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![]() An astonishing misconception exists among the most prominent West European circles as to the danger which communism presents to the life of the individual and of the nation. Such people still cling to their opinion in face of the terrible and devastating experiences of the past eighteen years in Russia.
Millions of workers on hunger-wages such as are not thought of in western Europe, millions of afflicted and sorrowing peasants who have been robbed of their land, which is being completely ruined by the stupid experiment of a paralysing collectivism, famine which claims millions of victims year after year in a country of such vast extent that it might serve as a granary for the whole of Europe, the formation and equipping of an army which, according to the claims of all leading Bolshevists, is to be used for carrying out the world revolution, the brutal and merciless domination of this madly-led apparatus of State and Party at the hands of a small terrorist minority which is mostly Jewish—all this speaks another language, a language which the world cannot listen to permanently because it rings with the story of nameless suffering and indescribable hardships borne by a nation of a hundred-and-sixty million people. Swept clear of internal enemies and united under the National Socialist standard, Germany placed herself at the head of the groups marshalled in the fight against the international bolshevisation of the world. Herein she is quite aware that she is fulfilling a world mission which reaches out beyond all national frontiers. On the successful issue of this mission depends the fate of our civilised nations. As National Socialists, we have seen Bolshevism through and through. We recognise it beneath all its masks and camouflages. It stands before us derobed of its trappings, bare and naked in its whole miserable imposture. We know what its teachings are, but we know also what it is in practice. Murder of individuals, murder of hostages and mass murder are the favourite means applied by Bolshevism to get rid of all opposition to its propaganda. The Jewish Tschekist, Bela Kun, made an experiment which rivalled the Paris Commune in bloodshed when he ordered the execution of 60,000 to 70,000 people in the Crimea. For the most part, these executions were carried out with machine-guns. At the Municipal Hospital in Alupka, 272 sick and wounded were brought out on stretchers in front of the gate of the Institution and there shot. The truth of this has been officially confirmed in the report made to the Geneva Red Cross. During the 133 days of his Terror Rule in Hungary the Jew, Bela Kun, had innumerable men murdered. The names of 570 of those have been given in official documents. In November 1934, the Chinese Marshal, Tschiangkaischek, made public the information that in the province of Kiangsi one million people were murdered by the communists and six millions robbed of all their possessions. All these blood-stained and horror-raising events have reached a climax in the mass murders committed throughout Soviet Russia. According to returns given by the Soviets themselves and taking reliable sources into account, the number of persons executed within the first 5 years of Soviet rule must be placed at about 1,860,000, in round numbers. Of these, 6,000 were teachers and professors, 8,800 were doctors of medicine, 54,000 were army officers, 260,000 soldiers, 105,000 police officials, 49,000 gendarmes, 12,800 civil servants, 355,000 persons of the upper classes, 192,000 workers, 815,000 peasants. The Soviet statistician, Oganowsky, estimates the number of persons who died of hunger in the years 1921/1922 at 5,200,000. The Austrian Cardinal-Archbishop, Monsignor Innitzer, said in his appeal of July 1934, that millions of people were dying of hunger throughout the Soviet Union. During his speech delivered before the House of Lords on the 25th of July, 1934, the Archbishop of Canterbury, speaking on reports relative to the famine victims in Soviet Russia in 1933, said that the number was nearer to six than three millions. The Social Democratic “League of Geman Freethinkers” alone had a membership of 600,000. The Communist “League of Proletarian Freethinkers” had close on 160,000 members. Almost without exception, the intellectual leaders of Marxist atheism in Germany were Jews, among them being Erich Weinert, Felix Abraham, Dr. Levy-Lenz and others. . The complete abrogation of those paragraphs of the law dealing with the crime of abortion, and the right to have abortion procured free of charge in State Hospitals. 2. Non-interference with prostitution. 3. The abrogation of all bourgeois-capitalistic regulations in regard to marriage and divorce. 4. Official registration to be optional and the children to be educated by the community. 5. Abrogation of all penalties for sexual perversities and amnesty to be granted to all persons condemned as “sexual criminals.” It was the Jew who discovered Marxism. It is the Jew who for decades past has endeavoured to stir up world revolutions through the medium of Marxism. It is the Jew who is today at the head of Marxism in all the countries of the world. Only in the brain of a nomad who is without nation, race and country could this satanism have been hatched. And only one possessed of a satanic malevolence could launch this revolutionary attack. For Bolshevism is nothing less than brutal materialism speculating on the baser instincts of mankind. And in its fight against West European civilisation it makes use of the lowest human passions in the interests of International Jewry. Of the so most authoritative functionaries from the Party and State in the highest councils of the U.S.S.R. we find that more than 20 are Jews and only 17 Russians, whereas the percentage of Jews to the whole population of the U.S.S.R. is only 1.8. The People’s Commissary for the Interior (formerly Tscheka or O.G.P.U.) is the Jew Jagoda. In the Communist International (the “General Staff of the World Revolution”)-the Jew Pjatnitzki plays the most important role. The leadership of the Bolshevic revolutionary movement in all countries lay and still lies in Jewish hands. In some countries, such as Poland and Hungary, they are in exclusive control of this movement. In the trial against the Jewish communist Schmelz in March 1935, the Polish Police Commissioner Landébzrski declared as witness that 98% of those arrested in Poland on charges of communistic intrigues were Jews. The actual leader in the movement for the Bolshevisation of China is the Jew Borodin-Grusenberg. As far as we ourselves are concerned, we have completely overcome this menace. Indeed perhaps, outside of his work in Germany, the greatest service which our Führer has rendered the world is that here in Germany he has set up a barrier against world Bolshevism against which the waves of this vile Asiatic-Jewish flood break in vain. He has taught us not only to recognise Bolshevism as the world’s greatest enemy but also to meet it face to face and crush it. Instead of this teaching he has supplied a new and better and nobler ideal for the liberation of a whole nation. In the Sign of this Idea we have fought our battles and brought our banners to victory. This ideal has enabled us to free Germany from the menace of Bolshevism and banish it once and for all from the German nation. Today we know how to cope with these insidious forces. The nation has been rendered immune against the poison of the red anarchy. It has repudiated the false and hollow catch-words of the communistic world propaganda. Seriously and industriously and with patience and discipline it has given itself to the solution of problems which arise out of its own destiny. History will one day give due credit to the Führer for having saved Germany from the most acute and deadly peril by overthrowing Bolshevism and thereby saving the whole civilisation of the West from the abyss that yawned before it. I hope that it will not be left to posterity to recognise the greatness of this historic mission, but that it will acknowledged by our contemporaries and that they will decide to act upon the truth of its teachings. As the true and loyal Old Guard of the Führer and the Party, we rejoice that we are standing under his banners in this most decisive struggle that the history of the world has experienced. The following note is appended to the end of Goebbels’ speech: “In the famine spring that is now coming in, shall similar events recur as those which took place in the year 1933, when numberless innocent people in the Ukraine, the Volga district, in the Northern Caucasus and other areas perished of hunger? “The undersigned organisations have until now taken up the position that questions of humanity and provision for relief ought to be considered independently of political and social interests. They consider it a duty of the most elementary human and purely charitable nature not to remain silent about these conditions but to allow the voice of conscience speak again. For the sake of the starving and dying people, and to avoid a catastrophe such as that of 1933, they demand that the situation should be made entirely clear and that the necessary provision for relief should be assured.” Als je het virulent antisemitisme even opzij zet, is de Nazi-propaganda identiek aan de anti-communistische, anti-Russische westerse proopaganda. Ten andere deheer Goebbels WAS een West-Europeaan, en wilde de westerse samenleving behoeden voor het communisme en de "Mongoolse hordes" uit het Oosten. De leugens over de zogenaamde Holodomar werden voor het eerst ter sprake gebracht door deheer Goebbels, waarna de westerse propaganda de nazi- propaganda gewoon kopieerde. Wat we onder andere leren van Goebbels is dat de Sovjets zowaar seksuele opvoeding gaven, en de vrouw als gelijk aan de man beschouwden, de gruwel! https://research.calvin.edu/german-p...ive/goeb58.htm Pastoors en flaminganten riepen op om te gaan vechten tegen de goddeloze Russen, een propaganda die zeer gelijkaardig is aan de huidige propaganda. Met enkele verschillen toen waren de Russen voorgesteld als Joden, vrouwvriendelijk en "seksuele perverten" (homo's) nu beweert de westerse propagandamachine net het omgekeerde, dat de Russen homofoob, mysogeen en antisemitisch zouden zijn. Beide zijn leugenachtige overdrijvingen. Laatst gewijzigd door tomm : 5 juni 2023 om 10:52. |
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![]() Als je het virulent antisemitisme opzij zet is er niet veel meer mis met het nazisme he.
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![]() Het zal nog niet zijn! In de praktijk was het toch effe anders. Als men in die tijd ook maar enige kritiek had op Hitler, of op de NSDAP, vloog men in geen tijd de bak in, of erger nog, naar een concentratiekamp. En dus : nie swaanse aub.
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