aanslagen Londen

[Chipie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door cosmos

Als iedereen even goed zie als ik ,
A-) Amerika
L-) London
L-) London
A-) ?Land hoofdstad met aan A,die het meest de oorlog steund,
H-) ?Laatse waarschuwing ,Heilige oorlog verklaart.
Dan volgen er verschillende tegelijk,en ik geloof als je het niet wil te fanatiek zien wat heeft de Nato,vn,hoofdkwartier in deze oorlog mee ingezet?
Geluk dat men hier in Belgie opensta voor multiculturele samen leving jaren terug.
Hey ,zou dit kunnen ?Dit is nu eenmaal mijn moderne kunst.vrede

En legt nu de terroristische aanslagen in Egypte eens uit...
En die er sinds 11/9 in andere landen, die totaal niets met Irak te maken hebben, gebeurden (cfr India, Indoniesi enz.)....

Simplisme troef.... als ik me niet vergis..[edit]
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En legt nu de terroristische aanslagen in Egypte eens uit...
En die er sinds 11/9 in andere landen, die totaal niets met Irak te maken hebben, gebeurden (cfr India, Indoniesi enz.)....

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En legt nu de terroristische aanslagen in Egypte eens uit...
En die er sinds 11/9 in andere landen, die totaal niets met Irak te maken hebben, gebeuren (cfr India, Indoniesi enz.)....

Simplisme troef.... als ik me niet vergis..[/size]

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[Bolter]

Bommen zijn blijkbaar de V2's van onze tijd...

Slaan plotseling toen zonder voorafgaande waarschuwing en doden meestal volstrekt onschuldigen..
Kunnen ook perfect geplaatst worden onder de naam Vergeltungswaffe...
En er valt nauwelijks iets tegen te beginnen.

Enig probleem..
In 1944 wisten we duidelijk aan welk regime we een eind moesten maken.
In 2005 is de vijand echter overal en nergens....

[filosoof]

tussen de getuigenissen

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Manchester Guardian

Georgia Law was in a nearby carriage:

"I heard popping sounds that sounded like gunshots but quite quiet

blijft toch die geluidsdemper weer bovenkomen...

[filosoof]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Distel

"Speaking at a news conference this afternoon, Sir Ian said the man had been challenged by officers shortly after 10am and was shot after failing to comply."

"Nevertheless the man who was shot was under police observation because he had emerged from a house that was itself under observation because it was linked to the investigation of yesterday's incidents.

He was then followed by surveillance officers to the station. His clothing and his behaviour at the station added to their suspicions."

Uw verhaaltje over de gehaaste passagier lijkt dus maar flinterdun, Filo. Wat niet wegneemt dat ik het zelf ook heel raar vind wat daar gebeurd is.

De metrobestuurders, zitten die ook in het islamitisch complot??

[size=1][size=2]maar afknallen, te beginnen met Filo(Distel op 06/11/2004[/size]) [/size]

[size=1](Ik zal toch eens op de zwarte markt moeten vragen, Radoms zijn niet te duur en deftige kwaliteit, hoorde ik en met al die histories... je weet maar nooit of hij morgen niet plots in mijn metrostation staat met zijn pa en diens collegas: ik ben al verdacht sinds 6/11/2004, dus dat excuus is al klaar voor hen)[/size]

[size=2]Saturday July 23, 07:11 AM[/size]

[size=4]Tube driver had gun pointed at head[/size]

[size=2]The driver of the London Underground train involved in the latest terrorist scare was chased by armed police and had a gun held to his head as he tried to escape the scene of today's shooting, union officials have claimed.

The driver started running along an underground tunnel as passengers were fleeing from Stockwell Tube station following the shooting of a suspect.

He was followed by police who briefly held a gun to his head, according to officials from the train drivers' union Aslef.

When other drivers heard about the incident they were reluctant to continue working normally, said Steve Grant, the union's London officer. He said the incident highlighted the tense atmosphere staff were having to cope with during the present crisis. Mr Grant said police had since apologised about the incident. [/size][edit]
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De metrobestuurders, zitten die ook in het islamitisch complot??

[size=1][size=2]maar afknallen, te beginnen met Filo(Distel op 06/11/2004[/size]) [/size]

[size=1](Ik zal toch eens op de zwarte markt moeten vragen, Radoms zijn niet te duur en deftige kwaliteit, hoorde ik en met al die histories... je weet maar nooit of hij morgen niet plots in mijn metrostation staat met zijn pa en diens collegas: ik ben al verdacht sinds 6/11/2004, dus dat excuus is al klaar voor hen)[/size]

[size=2]Saturday July 23, 07:11 AM[/size]

[size=4]Tube driver had gun pointed at head[/size]

[size=2]The driver of the London Underground train involved in the latest terrorist scare was chased by armed police and had a gun held to his head as he tried to escape the scene of today's shooting, union officials have claimed.

The driver started running along an underground tunnel as passengers were fleeing from Stockwell Tube station following the shooting of a suspect.

He was followed by police who briefly held a gun to his head, according to officials from the train drivers' union Aslef.

When other drivers heard about the incident they were reluctant to continue working normally, said Steve Grant, the union's London officer. He said the incident highlighted the tense atmosphere staff were having to cope with during the present crisis. Mr Grant said police had since apologised about the incident. [/size][/size]

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De metrobestuurders, zitten die ook in het islamitisch complot??


[font=arial][size=2]Saturday July 23, 07:11 AM[/size][/font]

Tube driver had gun pointed at head

[font=arial,helvetica][size=2]The driver of the London Underground train involved in the latest terrorist scare was chased by armed police and had a gun held to his head as he tried to escape the scene of today's shooting, union officials have claimed.

The driver started running along an underground tunnel as passengers were fleeing from Stockwell Tube station following the shooting of a suspect.

He was followed by police who briefly held a gun to his head, according to officials from the train drivers' union Aslef.

When other drivers heard about the incident they were reluctant to continue working normally, said Steve Grant, the union's London officer. He said the incident highlighted the tense atmosphere staff were having to cope with during the present crisis. Mr Grant said police had since apologised about the incident. [/size][/font][/size]

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[filosoof]

De takiteken in Irak:
http://www.reclaimthemedia.org/print.../01/11/4572908
An article written by another embed this week quotes an unnamed Marine lieutenant in Ramadi: “If anyone gets too close to us we fucking waste them. It’s kind of a shame, because it means we’ve killed a lot of innocent people.” This came from a British reporter, traveling with American forces, writing for the respected magazine The Economist. Few American embeds have passed along a quote like that, and I wonder why.

In another passage, the Economist embed observes that bystanders to an ambush are liable to be killed by Marines, who sometimes hide near the body of a dead insurgent and kill whoever comes to collect it. According to that same Marine lieutenant, commenting on the general situation in Iraq: “It gets to the point where you can’t wait to see guys with guns, so you start shooting everybody. It gets to the point where you don’t mind the bad stuff you do.”

Een journalist van "the Economist" zal wel een linkiewinkieterrorist in jouw ogen, veronderstel ik?[edit]
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De takiteken in Irak:
http://www.reclaimthemedia.org/print.../01/11/4572908
An article written by another embed this week quotes an unnamed Marine lieutenant in Ramadi: “If anyone gets too close to us we fucking waste them. It’s kind of a shame, because it means we’ve killed a lot of innocent people.” This came from a British reporter, traveling with American forces, writing for the respected magazine The Economist. Few American embeds have passed along a quote like that, and I wonder why.

In another passage, the Economist embed observes that bystanders to an ambush are liable to be killed by Marines, who sometimes hide near the body of a dead insurgent and kill whoever comes to collect it. According to that same Marine lieutenant, commenting on the general situation in Iraq: “It gets to the point where you can’t wait to see guys with guns, so you start shooting everybody. It gets to the point where you don’t mind the bad stuff you do.”

Een journalist van "the Economist" zal wel een linkiewinkieterrorist in jouw ogen, veronderstel ik?[/size]

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De takiteken in Irak:
http://www.reclaimthemedia.org/print.../01/11/4572908
An article written by another embed this week quotes an unnamed Marine lieutenant in Ramadi: “If anyone gets too close to us we fucking waste them. It’s kind of a shame, because it means we’ve killed a lot of innocent people.” This came from a British reporter, traveling with American forces, writing for the respected magazine The Economist. Few American embeds have passed along a quote like that, and I wonder why.

In another passage, the Economist embed observes that bystanders to an ambush are liable to be killed by Marines, who sometimes hide near the body of a dead insurgent and kill whoever comes to collect it. According to that same Marine lieutenant, commenting on the general situation in Iraq: “It gets to the point where you can’t wait to see guys with guns, so you start shooting everybody. It gets to the point where you don’t mind the bad stuff you do.”
Een journalist van "the Economist" zal wel een linkiewinkieterrorist in jouw ogen, veronderstel ik?[/size]

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De takieken in Irak:
http://www.reclaimthemedia.org/print.../01/11/4572908
An article written by another embed this week quotes an unnamed Marine lieutenant in Ramadi: “If anyone gets too close to us we fucking waste them. It’s kind of a shame, because it means we’ve killed a lot of innocent people.” This came from a British reporter, traveling with American forces, writing for the respected magazine The Economist. Few American embeds have passed along a quote like that, and I wonder why.

In another passage, the Economist embed observes that bystanders to an ambush are liable to be killed by Marines, who sometimes hide near the body of a dead insurgent and kill whoever comes to collect it. According to that same Marine lieutenant, commenting on the general situation in Iraq: “It gets to the point where you can’t wait to see guys with guns, so you start shooting everybody. It gets to the point where you don’t mind the bad stuff you do.”[/size]

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[Distel]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door filosoof

De metrobestuurders, zitten die ook in het islamitisch complot??

Zijn er metrobestuurders neergeschoten misschien?

[size=1][size=2]maar afknallen, te beginnen met Filo(Distel op 06/11/2004[/size]) [/size]

Blijkbaar zijn de argumenten op?

[Distel]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door filosoof

De takiteken in Irak:
http://www.reclaimthemedia.org/print.../01/11/4572908
An article written by another embed this week quotes an unnamed Marine lieutenant in Ramadi: “If anyone gets too close to us we fucking waste them. It’s kind of a shame, because it means we’ve killed a lot of innocent people.” This came from a British reporter, traveling with American forces, writing for the respected magazine The Economist. Few American embeds have passed along a quote like that, and I wonder why.

In another passage, the Economist embed observes that bystanders to an ambush are liable to be killed by Marines, who sometimes hide near the body of a dead insurgent and kill whoever comes to collect it. According to that same Marine lieutenant, commenting on the general situation in Iraq: “It gets to the point where you can’t wait to see guys with guns, so you start shooting everybody. It gets to the point where you don’t mind the bad stuff you do.”

Een journalist van "the Economist" zal wel een linkiewinkieterrorist in jouw ogen, veronderstel ik?

En wat heeft dat te maken met het optreden van de politie in Londen?

Uw discours lijkt mij trouwens verdacht veel op een Filo-versie van "alle moslims zijn crimineel"...

[filosoof]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Distel

Zijn er metrobestuurders neergeschoten misschien?



Blijkbaar zijn de argumenten op?

Wie haalt het in zijn hoofd een metrobestuurder met een wapen te bedreigen?

[filosoof]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Distel

En wat heeft dat te maken met het optreden van de politie in Londen?

Uw discours lijkt mij trouwens verdacht veel op een Filo-versie van "alle moslims zijn crimineel"...

Discours? Ik haal feiten aan...

[Distel]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door filosoof

Wie haalt het in zijn hoofd een metrobestuurder met een wapen te bedreigen?

Een ordehandhaver die terecht moet veronderstellen dat een verdacht individu een potentiële zelfmoordenaar is die hem kan ombrengen.

Vanuit de luie filosofische zetel is het natuurlijk heel wat makkelijker om rust en kalmte te prediken.

[Distel]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door filosoof

Discours? Ik haal feiten aan...

Feiten die niks met onze discussie te maken hebben, en die gelijkaardig zijn aan de feiten die door een welbepaalde partij werden aangehaald en aldus de VZW's van die partij een veroordeling opleverden.

[filosoof]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Distel

Een ordehandhaver die terecht moet veronderstellen dat een verdacht individu een potentiële zelfmoordenaar is die hem kan ombrengen.

Vanuit de luie filosofische zetel is het natuurlijk heel wat makkelijker om rust en kalmte te prediken.

En metrobestuurders horen daarbij?
Misschien ben JIJ in MIJN ogen wel een "verdacht individu", of is het net omgekeerd..er waren al bedreigingen, die je nu weglacht: Dan zoek ik misschien toch beter naar een Radom?? http://www.mbi.ufl.edu/papkelab/curios/radom-2.JPG[edit]
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Misschien ben JIJ in MIJN ogen wel een "verdacht individu", of is het net omgekeerd..er waren al bedreigingen, die je nu weglacht: Dan zoek ik misschien toch beter naar een Radom?? http://www.mbi.ufl.edu/papkelab/curios/radom-2.JPG[/size]

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Misschien ben JIJ in MIJN ogen wel een "verdacht individu", er waren al bedreigingen, die je nu weglacht: Dan zoek ik misschien toch beter naar een Radom?? http://www.mbi.ufl.edu/papkelab/curios/radom-2.JPG[/size]

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En metrobestuurders horen daarbij?
Misschien ben JIJ in MIJN ogen wel een "verdacht individu", er waren al bedreigingen, die je nu weglacht: Dan zoek ik misschien toch beter naar een Radom?? http://www.mbi.ufl.edu/papkelab/curios/radom-2.JPG[/size]

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Misschien ben JIJ in MIJN ogen wel een "verdacht individu", er waren al bedreigingen, die je nu weglacht: Dan zoek ik misschien toch beter naar een Radom?? http://www.mbi.ufl.edu/papkelab/curios/radom-2.JPG[/size]

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[filosoof]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Distel

Een ordehandhaver die terecht moet veronderstellen dat een verdacht individu een potentiële zelfmoordenaar is die hem kan ombrengen.

Vanuit de luie filosofische zetel is het natuurlijk heel wat makkelijker om rust en kalmte te prediken.

Shot man not connected to bombing
A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed.

A Scotland Yard statement said the shooting was a "tragedy" which was regretted by the Metropolitan Police.

The man was shot dead after police followed him from a south London flat to Stockwell Tube station on Friday.

Two other men have been arrested and are being questioned after bombers targeted three Tube trains and a bus.

The statement read: "We believe we now know the identity of the man shot at Stockwell Underground station by police on Friday 22nd July 2005, although he is still subject to formal identification.






"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005.

"For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets."

The statement confirmed the man was followed by police from a block of flats that was under surveillance.

His death is being investigated by officers from the MPS Directorate of Professional Standards, and will be referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

Arrests

Two men are still being held at Paddington Green police station, central London, in connection with Thursday's attacks.



The first man was arrested at around 1630 BST on Friday during a raid on a block of flats near to Oval and Stockwell Tube stations.

Eyewitnesses said he was led away with a woman and child.

The second man was arrested late on Friday night, also in the Stockwell area.

Both are being held under anti-terrorism legislation which gives police 14 days before they have to bring charges.

CCTV images

Scotland Yard said they had been contacted by over 500 members of the public following the release of CCTV footage of four suspects.

Detectives said they were hopeful of useful lines of inquiry coming from the calls and e-mails.

Three devices found after the failed bombings were the same size and weight as those used in the suicide attacks of 7 July, which killed scores.

The fourth was smaller, apparently contained in a plastic box. The same chemicals appear to have been used.

They targeted Oval, Warren Street and Shepherd's Bush stations and a bus in Hackney.

The Hammersmith and City line train was removed from Shepherd's Bush station on Saturday afternoon.

Transport for London said it hoped to have trains running on the line from Paddington to Hammersmith on Saturday evening.





1: Witnesses report seeing up to 20 plain clothes police officers chase a man into Stockwell Tube station from the street
2: One person says the man vaulted the automatic ticket barriers as he made his way to the platforms
3: The most direct route is via this escalator or the staircase that sits alongside it
4: Police challenge the man but he apparently refuses to obey instructions and after running onto a northbound Northern line train, he is shot dead

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm

Published: 2005/07/23 17:05:06 GMT

© BBC MMV

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Scotland Yard(volgens de BBC)

"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005.

"For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets."

"Délit de mauvaise gueule" heet dat in 't frans
Enfin, daar kunnen hij en zijn familie blij mee zijn, maar bij Scotland Yard zitten er zoveel "linkiewinkies", hé?
Iemand die opgelucht moet zijn: die metrobestuurder...
Als 't aan Distel lag...gewoon afknallen, die verdachte figuren, niet waar Distel? Ik vind jou ook al lang verdacht... (moet ik dan toch maar die Radom en een sheriff's ster zoeken?)

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Shot man not connected to bombing
A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed.

A Scotland Yard statement said the shooting was a "tragedy" which was regretted by the Metropolitan Police.

The man was shot dead after police followed him from a south London flat to Stockwell Tube station on Friday.

Two other men have been arrested and are being questioned after bombers targeted three Tube trains and a bus.

The statement read: "We believe we now know the identity of the man shot at Stockwell Underground station by police on Friday 22nd July 2005, although he is still subject to formal identification.






"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005.

"For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets."

The statement confirmed the man was followed by police from a block of flats that was under surveillance.

His death is being investigated by officers from the MPS Directorate of Professional Standards, and will be referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

Arrests

Two men are still being held at Paddington Green police station, central London, in connection with Thursday's attacks.



The first man was arrested at around 1630 BST on Friday during a raid on a block of flats near to Oval and Stockwell Tube stations.

Eyewitnesses said he was led away with a woman and child.

The second man was arrested late on Friday night, also in the Stockwell area.

Both are being held under anti-terrorism legislation which gives police 14 days before they have to bring charges.

CCTV images

Scotland Yard said they had been contacted by over 500 members of the public following the release of CCTV footage of four suspects.

Detectives said they were hopeful of useful lines of inquiry coming from the calls and e-mails.

Three devices found after the failed bombings were the same size and weight as those used in the suicide attacks of 7 July, which killed scores.

The fourth was smaller, apparently contained in a plastic box. The same chemicals appear to have been used.

They targeted Oval, Warren Street and Shepherd's Bush stations and a bus in Hackney.

The Hammersmith and City line train was removed from Shepherd's Bush station on Saturday afternoon.

Transport for London said it hoped to have trains running on the line from Paddington to Hammersmith on Saturday evening.





1: Witnesses report seeing up to 20 plain clothes police officers chase a man into Stockwell Tube station from the street
2: One person says the man vaulted the automatic ticket barriers as he made his way to the platforms
3: The most direct route is via this escalator or the staircase that sits alongside it
4: Police challenge the man but he apparently refuses to obey instructions and after running onto a northbound Northern line train, he is shot dead

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm

Published: 2005/07/23 17:05:06 GMT

© BBC MMV

"Délit de mauvaise gueule" heet dat in 't frans
Enfin, daar kunnen hij en zijn familie blij mee zijn, maar bij Scotland Yard zitten er zoveel "linkiewinkies", hé?
Iemand die opgelucht moet zijn: die metrobestuurder...
Als 't aan Distel lag...gewoon afknallen, die verdachte figuren, niet waar Distel? Ik vind jou ook al lang verdacht... (moet ik dan toch maar die Radom en een sheriff's ster zoeken?)

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Shot man not connected to bombing
A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed.

A Scotland Yard statement said the shooting was a "tragedy" which was regretted by the Metropolitan Police.

The man was shot dead after police followed him from a south London flat to Stockwell Tube station on Friday.

Two other men have been arrested and are being questioned after bombers targeted three Tube trains and a bus.

The statement read: "We believe we now know the identity of the man shot at Stockwell Underground station by police on Friday 22nd July 2005, although he is still subject to formal identification.






"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005.

"For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets."

The statement confirmed the man was followed by police from a block of flats that was under surveillance.

His death is being investigated by officers from the MPS Directorate of Professional Standards, and will be referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

Arrests

Two men are still being held at Paddington Green police station, central London, in connection with Thursday's attacks.



The first man was arrested at around 1630 BST on Friday during a raid on a block of flats near to Oval and Stockwell Tube stations.

Eyewitnesses said he was led away with a woman and child.

The second man was arrested late on Friday night, also in the Stockwell area.

Both are being held under anti-terrorism legislation which gives police 14 days before they have to bring charges.

CCTV images

Scotland Yard said they had been contacted by over 500 members of the public following the release of CCTV footage of four suspects.

Detectives said they were hopeful of useful lines of inquiry coming from the calls and e-mails.

Three devices found after the failed bombings were the same size and weight as those used in the suicide attacks of 7 July, which killed scores.

The fourth was smaller, apparently contained in a plastic box. The same chemicals appear to have been used.

They targeted Oval, Warren Street and Shepherd's Bush stations and a bus in Hackney.

The Hammersmith and City line train was removed from Shepherd's Bush station on Saturday afternoon.

Transport for London said it hoped to have trains running on the line from Paddington to Hammersmith on Saturday evening.





1: Witnesses report seeing up to 20 plain clothes police officers chase a man into Stockwell Tube station from the street
2: One person says the man vaulted the automatic ticket barriers as he made his way to the platforms
3: The most direct route is via this escalator or the staircase that sits alongside it
4: Police challenge the man but he apparently refuses to obey instructions and after running onto a northbound Northern line train, he is shot dead

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm

Published: 2005/07/23 17:05:06 GMT

© BBC MMV

"Délit de mauvaise gueule" heet dat in 't frans
Enfin, daar kunnen hij en zijn familie blij mee zijn, maar bij Scotland Yard zitten er zoveel "linkiewinkies", hé?
Als 't aan Distel lag...gewoon afknallen, die verdachte figuren, niet waar Distel? Ik vind jou ook al lang verdacht... (moet ik dan toch maar die Radom en een sheriff's ster zoeken?)[/size]

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Shot man not connected to bombing
A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed.

A Scotland Yard statement said the shooting was a "tragedy" which was regretted by the Metropolitan Police.

The man was shot dead after police followed him from a south London flat to Stockwell Tube station on Friday.

Two other men have been arrested and are being questioned after bombers targeted three Tube trains and a bus.

The statement read: "We believe we now know the identity of the man shot at Stockwell Underground station by police on Friday 22nd July 2005, although he is still subject to formal identification.






"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005.

"For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets."

The statement confirmed the man was followed by police from a block of flats that was under surveillance.

His death is being investigated by officers from the MPS Directorate of Professional Standards, and will be referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

Arrests

Two men are still being held at Paddington Green police station, central London, in connection with Thursday's attacks.



The first man was arrested at around 1630 BST on Friday during a raid on a block of flats near to Oval and Stockwell Tube stations.

Eyewitnesses said he was led away with a woman and child.

The second man was arrested late on Friday night, also in the Stockwell area.

Both are being held under anti-terrorism legislation which gives police 14 days before they have to bring charges.

CCTV images

Scotland Yard said they had been contacted by over 500 members of the public following the release of CCTV footage of four suspects.

Detectives said they were hopeful of useful lines of inquiry coming from the calls and e-mails.

Three devices found after the failed bombings were the same size and weight as those used in the suicide attacks of 7 July, which killed scores.

The fourth was smaller, apparently contained in a plastic box. The same chemicals appear to have been used.

They targeted Oval, Warren Street and Shepherd's Bush stations and a bus in Hackney.

The Hammersmith and City line train was removed from Shepherd's Bush station on Saturday afternoon.

Transport for London said it hoped to have trains running on the line from Paddington to Hammersmith on Saturday evening.





1: Witnesses report seeing up to 20 plain clothes police officers chase a man into Stockwell Tube station from the street
2: One person says the man vaulted the automatic ticket barriers as he made his way to the platforms
3: The most direct route is via this escalator or the staircase that sits alongside it
4: Police challenge the man but he apparently refuses to obey instructions and after running onto a northbound Northern line train, he is shot dead

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm

Published: 2005/07/23 17:05:06 GMT

© BBC MMV

"Délit de mauvaise gueule" heet dat in 't frans
Enfin, daar kunnen hij en zijn familie blij mee zijn, maar bij Scotland Yard zitten er zoveel "linkiewinkies", hé?
Als 't aan Distel lag...gewoon afknallen, die verdachte figuren, niet waar Distel? Ik vind jou ook al lang verdacht... (moet ik dan toch maar die Radom en een sheriff's ster zoeken?)[/size]

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Interessant wel:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door de BBC-site

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
Shot man not connected to bombing


A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed.

The man, who died at Stockwell Tube on Friday, has been named by police as Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes, 27.

Maakt direct de theorie van Distel dat de man al een verdachte was "enigszins " onwaarschijnlijk: een braziliaanse moslim, 't kan, maar hoe waarschiinlijk???

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door The Scotsman

There has to be a shoot-to-kill policy, concedes Ken Livingstone (Burgemeester van Londen

MICHAEL HOWIE


POLICE have to have a shoot-to-kill policy to counter the mounting terrorist threat in London, Ken Livingstone conceded yesterday.

With the capital on high alert after two sets of terrorist attacks in as many weeks, the city's mayor indicated that decisive action would be necessary.


Muslim leaders, however, said sections of the community were living in fear of a shoot-to-kill policy after a man - not one of the four sought bombers - was shot by officers at Stockwell tube station yesterday.

Following the first wave of London bombings on 7 July, it emerged that armed officers could be given shoot-to-kill orders to fire at the heads of suicide bombers.

Under a plan known as Operation Kratos, police could in extreme circumstances shoot suspected suicide bombers in the head. Normal firearms rules allow officers to pursue a shoot-to-stop policy and fire at the chests of targets, with the intention of stopping and disabling, but not killing.

But the Met has been advised by Israeli security officials that this is not adequate, as even after several shots they can still trigger an explosive device.

Scotland Yard yesterday insisted the policy of armed police was to "shoot to stop" when there was an imminent threat to life.

But Mr Livingstone said: "If you are dealing with someone who might be a suicide bomber, if they remain conscious they could trigger plastic explosives or whatever device is on them, and therefore overwhelmingly in these circumstances it is going to be a shoot-to-kill policy."

Speaking of yesterday's operations, he said: "With each of these attacks, we have responded more rapidly and effectively and I'm glad it went as well as it did."

Police sources and security experts said it was clear that officers were operating under revised guidelines.

"Clarification has been issued in response to the threat from suicide bombers," said Charles Shoebridge, a security analyst and former counter terrorism officer. "In the past, shooting at the person's trunk was considered the most effective way of disabling a person. However, this approach could detonate a suicide bomb, so the only realistic alternative is a shot to the head."

Muslim community leaders said they were taking calls from fellow Muslims who are afraid they may be targeted simply because they are carrying the wrong bag or wearing the wrong clothes.

The Muslim Council of Britain urged Scotland Yard to explain why police shot dead the Asian man who has been described as a "suspected suicide bomber". According to an eyewitness report the man was shot with five bullets. Spokesman Inayat Bunglawala said: "There may well be reasons why police felt it was necessary to unload multiple bullets into this man and shoot him dead, but they need to make those reasons clear.

"It is vital that police give a statement about exactly what occurred and explain why this man was shot dead rather than arrested and brought to trial."

Mr Bunglawala said Muslims were nervous and feared reprisal attacks.

He said: "I have just had one phone call saying, 'What if I was carrying a rucksack?' We are getting phone calls from quite a lot of Muslims who are distressed about what may be a shoot-to-kill policy."

Meanwhile, Norman Brennan, director of the Victims of Crime Trust and a serving officer with the British Transport Police, defended officers' right to kill.

"To protect society and themselves, the police have the right in law to use the force that they believe to be appropriate with the threat posed by anyone whose intention is to destroy the lives of others through acts of terrorism or any other reason," he said.

JUDGMENT CALL

ANALYSIS

THERE are three criteria when deciding whether to use authorised firearms officers (AFOs), writes Ian Gordon.
First, where a person is in possession of a firearm;
second, if a person has immediate access to a firearm; and,
third, where a person is otherwise so dangerous that an officer's use of a firearm may be necessary.

There's a requirement that firearms are only used when at least one of those criteria are met.

It has to be an incident where there is deemed to be a genuine risk of loss of life, be it to a member of the public, a police officer or even the person themselves.

You have sometimes to make a judgment call on information and intelligence that's available. On a normal day it would be a chief constable, or the strategic commander, who would authorise the use of firearms. He or she would base the decision on all the intelligence and information available. The key factor is the team work between the strategic commander, who we call "gold", and the officer in command of the situation on the ground ("silver").

Firearms officers don't go on missions on their own; it's controlled, it's imperative everyone is fully briefed.

But when you have a spontaneous incident you need to respond very quickly, again based on available intelligence. That's where armed response units are used.

We have a very thorough selection process for AFOs. Nobody is forced into it, they volunteer. Those selected undergo an intensive initial training programme, then continue to train on a regular basis, not only in using weapons, but also on the tactics to be used.

When AFOs are confronted with an incident, the training will then kick in. They can open fire only when it is absolutely necessary, when there is nothing else they can do to incapacitate the threat. They are there to save lives.

It's a question of weighing up risk in a split second. "If I do nothing, what happens?". "If I do this, will it prevent anything more serious happening?" It's a difficult judgment call. All we can do is make sure they are trained as best they can be.

We have a very rigorous training process, but on many occasions we are dealing with the unknown.

The bottom line is, if they believe that a significant and immediate threat to life is there, AFOs have to act; they have to incapacitate and try to remove the risk.

• Ian Gordon is deputy chief constable of Tayside and Scotland's senior adviser on police firearms policy.



This article:

http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1669962005

London bombings:

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1312

Wikinews - "Citizen journalism" on London bombings
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Explosio..._across_London

Flickr - London bombings
http://www.flickr.com/groups/74918957@N00/pool/

Nu hebben ze een "bruine" afgeknald, mét hun vergunning en was die smeerlap godverdomme toch nog een Braziliaan: die vreemdelingen doen het expres, alleen om de politie zwart te maken!
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Maakt direct de theorie van Distel dat de man al een verdachte was "enigszins " onwaarschijnlijk: een braziliaanse moslim, 't kan, maar hoe waarschiinlijk???

Nu hebben ze een "bruine" afgeknald, mét hun vergunning en was die smeerlap godverdomme toch nog een Braziliaan: die vreemdelingen doen het expres, alleen om de politie zwart te maken!
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Interessant wel:

Maakt direct de theorie van Distel dat de man al een verdachte was "enigszins " onwaarschijnlijk: een braziliaanse moslim, 't kan, maar hoe waarschiinlijk???

Nu hebben ze een "bruine" afgeknald, met hun vergunning en was die smeerlap godverdomme toch nog een Braziliaan: die vreemdelingen doen het expres, alleen om de politie zwart te maken!
Kamikazelasteraars zijn het, hé, Distel??[/size]

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Heel erg.
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Apart: blijft de vraag, waarom de man op de loop ging, terwijl hij kennelijk toch al was aangesproken.

[filosoof]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Manchester Guardian

A senior Metropolitan police source with knowledge of firearms procedures said of the shooting at Stockwell: "This was an intelligence led operation, within the parameters of Kratos." Officially the Met will not talk about Kratos, but the tactics have been in place for a year and were developed after British officers learnt from their Israeli counterparts how best to tackle suicide bombers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlo...534753,00.html
D�*�*r zal die Braziliaan blij mee zijn...

[filosoof]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door willem1940NLD

Heel erg.
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Apart: blijft de vraag, waarom de man op de loop ging, terwijl hij kennelijk toch al was aangesproken.

Suggestie:taalprobleem:in Brazilië spreekt men portugees. Misschien is men daar niet gewend, afgeschoten te worden als men loopt om zijn trein te halen? Naief natuurlijk?

[filosoof]

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Responsi...ned_by_experts
Responsibility claim for London attacks questioned by experts
MSNBC translator Jacob Keryakes has stated that the claim of responsibility for the London bombings of July 7, supposedly made by a militant Islamist group, contains an error in one of the Quranic verses that it cites, suggesting that the claim may be phony. "This is not something al-Qaida would do," he said.

The claim of responsibility by The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe for the London attacks has also been questioned on the grounds that the rhetoric is not consistent with militant Islamic ideology. The statement asked "the Nation of Islam and the Nation of Arabism to rejoice" about the attacks.

According to the Associated Press, Islamic expert Mishari al-Thaidi wrote in an essay published Saturday in the London-based Arabic Asharq Al Awsat newspaper: "What strikes attention here is addressing the Arab nation. The Jihadists have never recognized Arab nationalism. This is close to pan-Arab or Baathist terminology."
Nu weer dat...
Hoe méér ik erover lees, hoe meer onwaarschijnlijkheden en tegenspraken er opduiken.


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Responsibility claim for London attacks questioned by experts
MSNBC translator Jacob Keryakes has stated that the claim of responsibility for the London bombings of July 7, supposedly made by a militant Islamist group, contains an error in one of the Quranic verses that it cites, suggesting that the claim may be phony. "This is not something al-Qaida would do," he said.

The claim of responsibility by The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe for the London attacks has also been questioned on the grounds that the rhetoric is not consistent with militant Islamic ideology. The statement asked "the Nation of Islam and the Nation of Arabism to rejoice" about the attacks.

According to the Associated Press, Islamic expert Mishari al-Thaidi wrote in an essay published Saturday in the London-based Arabic Asharq Al Awsat newspaper: "What strikes attention here is addressing the Arab nation. The Jihadists have never recognized Arab nationalism. This is close to pan-Arab or Baathist terminology."
Nu weer dat...
Hoe méér ik erover lees, hoe meer onwaarschijnlijkheden en tegenspraken er opduiken.


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MSNBC translator Jacob Keryakes has stated that the claim of responsibility for the London bombings of July 7, supposedly made by a militant Islamist group, contains an error in one of the Quranic verses that it cites, suggesting that the claim may be phony. "This is not something al-Qaida would do," he said.

The claim of responsibility by The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe for the London attacks has also been questioned on the grounds that the rhetoric is not consistent with militant Islamic ideology. The statement asked "the Nation of Islam and the Nation of Arabism to rejoice" about the attacks.

According to the Associated Press, Islamic expert Mishari al-Thaidi wrote in an essay published Saturday in the London-based Arabic Asharq Al Awsat newspaper: "What strikes attention here is addressing the Arab nation. The Jihadists have never recognized Arab nationalism. This is close to pan-Arab or Baathist terminology."
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MSNBC translator Jacob Keryakes has stated that the claim of responsibility for the London bombings of July 7, supposedly made by a militant Islamist group, contains an error in one of the Quranic verses that it cites, suggesting that the claim may be phony. "This is not something al-Qaida would do," he said.

The claim of responsibility by The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe for the London attacks has also been questioned on the grounds that the rhetoric is not consistent with militant Islamic ideology. The statement asked "the Nation of Islam and the Nation of Arabism to rejoice" about the attacks.

According to the Associated Press, Islamic expert Mishari al-Thaidi wrote in an essay published Saturday in the London-based Arabic Asharq Al Awsat newspaper: "What strikes attention here is addressing the Arab nation. The Jihadists have never recognized Arab nationalism. This is close to pan-Arab or Baathist terminology."
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Responsi...ned_by_experts

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Responsibility claim for London attacks questioned by experts
MSNBC translator Jacob Keryakes has stated that the claim of responsibility for the London bombings of July 7, supposedly made by a militant Islamist group, contains an error in one of the Quranic verses that it cites, suggesting that the claim may be phony. "This is not something al-Qaida would do," he said.

The claim of responsibility by The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe for the London attacks has also been questioned on the grounds that the rhetoric is not consistent with militant Islamic ideology. The statement asked "the Nation of Islam and the Nation of Arabism to rejoice" about the attacks.

According to the Associated Press, Islamic expert Mishari al-Thaidi wrote in an essay published Saturday in the London-based Arabic Asharq Al Awsat newspaper: "What strikes attention here is addressing the Arab nation. The Jihadists have never recognized Arab nationalism. This is close to pan-Arab or Baathist terminology."
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Responsi...ned_by_experts

Nu weer dat...
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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door filosoof

Suggestie:taalprobleem:in Brazilië spreekt men portugees. Misschien is men daar niet gewend, afgeschoten te worden als men loopt om zijn trein te halen? Naief natuurlijk?

en om politiemannen die met wapens dreigen te herkennen moet je uiteraard de taal van dat land spreken?

[willem1940NLD]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door filosoof

Suggestie:taalprobleem:in Brazilië spreekt men portugees. Misschien is men daar niet gewend, afgeschoten te worden als men loopt om zijn trein te halen? Naief natuurlijk?

Doodmaken vind ik gruwelijk en zo mogelijk nog erger als dat bij "misverstand" plaats vindt.

Ik wacht liever nog iets meer informatie af dan dat ik tot speculaties overga, kan voorlopig alleen maar meer vraagtekens plaatsen.
Hoe waarschijnlijk lijkt het dat binnen Engeland een buitenlander moederziel alleen zich verplaatst die echt totaal geen Engels kent?

Mijn ervaring met Brazilianen (alleen binnen Nederland) is dat zij, indien aangesproken, altijd antwoord zullen geven, desnoods in hun eigen taal.

Uit het verhaal en/of het Nieuws op Nederlandse Radio-1 meende ik op te maken dat het volgen cq de achtervolging al even duurde.