Ondertussen in Guantanamo Bay

[Jos Verhulst]

Een FBI-agent die verslag uitbracht over de mishandelingen van hun gevangenen door de Amerikanen in Guantanamo Bay, meldde dat hij een ‘ondervraging’ zag waarbij de gevangene in een Israëlische vlag was gehuld door zijn folteraars.

“In one of the e-mails message, dated from August, the writer reports more than once witnessing prisoners chained to the floor in a fetal position, with no food or water. They had often soiled themselves.

On one occasion, the temperature in a room was lowered so much the barefooted detainee shivered. In another, the room was so hot the detainee had pulled out some of his hair before passing out.(...)
In one e-mail, the writer described seeing a “detainee sitting on the floor of the interview room with an Israeli flag draped around him, loud music being played and a strobe light flashing.” Another Guantanamo prisoner has, in a court petition, described detainees wrapped in Israeli flags, among other allegations. At the time, a Guantanamo Bay spokesman denied his statements.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6741220/

Twee prangende vragen: (a) hoe komen die Israëlische vlaggen in Guantanamo? en (b) waarom gebruiken Amerikaanse folteraars een Israëlische vlag?


Zie ook:
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=4242

[big bad wolf]

provocatie natuurlijk. Israël wordt over de hele Arabische wereld beschouwd als de vijand van de moslims, door ze dan in een Israëlische vlag te steken, kan je ze makkelijk op stang jagen..

[ingenious]

je vraagt je eigenlijk af waarom we een universeel verdrag voor de rechten van de mens of een conventie van genève hebben. en dat is dan een zogenaamd 'beschaafd' land.

[illwill]

Ik hoop dat jullie nu toch iets hebben tegen het martelen of zijn jullie nu echt aan het klagen over iemand in een vlag rollen? Hadden jullie gezwegen indien men hen hoofd eraf hadden gesneden zonder vlag zoals de terroristen doen?

[ingenious]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door illwill

Ik hoop dat jullie nu toch iets hebben tegen het martelen of zijn jullie nu echt aan het klagen over iemand in een vlag rollen? Hadden jullie gezwegen indien men hen hoofd eraf hadden gesneden zonder vlag zoals de terroristen doen?

ja ja, ik ben voorstander van martelen, maar een isrealische vlag gebruiken vind ik een schande! man, dat zo'n vraag nog maar in je opkomt.

[Isegrim]

Het zal wel geen geheim zijn zeker dat de VS heel wat meer Joodse inwoners hebben als Israël en dat die zeer veel invloed hebben.
Dus : wie kaatst kan de bal verwachten.

[illwill]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door ingenious

ja ja, ik ben voorstander van martelen, maar een isrealische vlag gebruiken vind ik een schande! man, dat zo'n vraag nog maar in je opkomt.

Waarom is israelische vlag dan 2x in de tekst in het opvallend rood gemarkeerd?

[ingenious]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door illwill

Waarom is israelische vlag dan 2x in de tekst in het opvallend rood gemarkeerd?

omdat de topicstarter dat waarschijnlijk vreemd vond en er een topic voor opstartte. wil dit zeggen dat hij die martelingen niet erg vindt? ik denk het niet.

verder sprak je in je post meerdere mensen aan "jullie", waaruit ik afleidde dat je dacht dat mijn opmerking over die vlaggen ging. dat was dus niet zo.

[Jos Verhulst]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door illwill

Waarom is israelische vlag dan 2x in de tekst in het opvallend rood gemarkeerd?

Uiteraard verwerp ik het martelen.
Maar ik vind het zeer vreemd dat soldaten van het Amerikaanse leger zich bij het mishandelen en vernederen van gevangenen bedienen van Israëlische vlaggen. Ze hadden evengoed een Amerikaanse vlag kunnen gebruiken. Tenslotte zijn ze toch mensen aan het mishandelen die zijn aangehouden, althans officieel, omdat ze tegen de USA actief zijn.
Ik vind het überhaupt al raar dat op een Amerikaanse legerbasis Israëlische vlaggen aanwezig zijn.
Zou dit 'incident' er niet kunnen op wijzen dat er ook in het US-leger , met name in martelcentra waar informatie wordt verzameld, heel wat mensen rondlopen die sterke Israëlische sympathieën hebben? En dat de via marteling bekomen informatie bijvoorbeeld ook naar Israël gaat?

Ik vraag mij nog altijd af, waarom de oorlog in Irak nu eigenlijk begonnen is. De officiële redenen, massavernietigingswapens en gebrek aan democratie in irak, zijn volkomen nep. Maar wat is dan wel de reden? Olie? Maar Irak produceert tot op heden geen olie voor de US. Omsingeling van China/ preventieve afsnijden van China van de Perzische golf? Of zou het kunnen dat die oorlog geheel of gedeeltelijk gevoerd wordt ten dienste van Israëlische strategische belangen?

Ik vind het buitengewoon moeilijk om daar een klare kijk op te krijgen.
Misschien kan een bijzonderheid zoals diegene die ik in deze topic vermeldde, enige onthullende waarde hebben.

[Herr Flick]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jos Verhulst

Een FBI-agent die verslag uitbracht over de mishandelingen van hun gevangenen door de Amerikanen in Guantanamo Bay, meldde dat hij een ‘ondervraging’ zag waarbij de gevangene in een Israëlische vlag was gehuld door zijn folteraars.

“In one of the e-mails message, dated from August, the writer reports more than once witnessing prisoners chained to the floor in a fetal position, with no food or water. They had often soiled themselves.

On one occasion, the temperature in a room was lowered so much the barefooted detainee shivered. In another, the room was so hot the detainee had pulled out some of his hair before passing out.(...)
In one e-mail, the writer described seeing a “detainee sitting on the floor of the interview room with an Israeli flag draped around him, loud music being played and a strobe light flashing.” Another Guantanamo prisoner has, in a court petition, described detainees wrapped in Israeli flags, among other allegations. At the time, a Guantanamo Bay spokesman denied his statements.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6741220/

Twee prangende vragen: (a) hoe komen die Israëlische vlaggen in Guantanamo? en (b) waarom gebruiken Amerikaanse folteraars een Israëlische vlag?


Zie ook:
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=4242

Zou het niet om ingehuurde specialisten kunnen gaan... Mossad agenten dus...

Ik denk dat de CIA daar nog wat van kan leren als het om harde moslimterrroristen kraken gaat.

[Herr Flick]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door ingenious

je vraagt je eigenlijk af waarom we een universeel verdrag voor de rechten van de mens of een conventie van genève hebben. en dat is dan een zogenaamd 'beschaafd' land.

Ja je kan je dat afvragen, ...

natuurlijk houd de andere kant hem ook niet aan de regels... En als ze zo'n terrorist kunnen kraken door hem wat pijn te doen, en op die manier honderden levens kunnen redden, heb ik daar persoonlijk eigenlijk geen problemen mee, ik zou het persoonlijk misschien ook doen, om een gevaarlijk iemand aan het praten te krijgen.

Natuurlijk moet je wel zo slim zijn geen foto's te laten lekken, en enkel diegene aan te pakken die werkelijk iets te betekenen hebben.

[ingenious]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Herr Flick

Ja je kan je dat afvragen, ...

natuurlijk houd de andere kant hem ook niet aan de regels... En als ze zo'n terrorist kunnen kraken door hem wat pijn te doen, en op die manier honderden levens kunnen redden, heb ik daar persoonlijk eigenlijk geen problemen mee, ik zou het persoonlijk misschien ook doen, om een gevaarlijk iemand aan het praten te krijgen.

Natuurlijk moet je wel zo slim zijn geen foto's te laten lekken, en enkel diegene aan te pakken die werkelijk iets te betekenen hebben.

ik niet. het is niet omdat een ander zich niet aan de mensenrechten houdt, dat ik me tot hetzelfde niveau moet verlagen. en eigenlijk gaat het niet alleen over dat martelen alleen. dat is natuurlijk het ergste, maar er zijn nog wel wat rechten geschonden me dunkt.

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jos Verhulst

Een FBI-agent die verslag uitbracht over de mishandelingen van hun gevangenen door de Amerikanen in Guantanamo Bay, meldde dat hij een ‘ondervraging’ zag waarbij de gevangene in een Israëlische vlag was gehuld door zijn folteraars.

“In one of the e-mails message, dated from August, the writer reports more than once witnessing prisoners chained to the floor in a fetal position, with no food or water. They had often soiled themselves.

On one occasion, the temperature in a room was lowered so much the barefooted detainee shivered. In another, the room was so hot the detainee had pulled out some of his hair before passing out.(...)
In one e-mail, the writer described seeing a “detainee sitting on the floor of the interview room with an Israeli flag draped around him, loud music being played and a strobe light flashing.” Another Guantanamo prisoner has, in a court petition, described detainees wrapped in Israeli flags, among other allegations. At the time, a Guantanamo Bay spokesman denied his statements.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6741220/

Twee prangende vragen: (a) hoe komen die Israëlische vlaggen in Guantanamo? en (b) waarom gebruiken Amerikaanse folteraars een Israëlische vlag?


Zie ook:
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=4242

Nog twee prangende vragen : (c) hoe komt het dat je het verhaal zonder boe of ba gelooft en als waar aanneemt, en geen rekening houdt met wat er verder staat : "a Guantanamo Bay spokesman denied his statements" en (d) mocht het waar zijn, is het dan zo erg , een vlag? Wat een zware folterpraktijk, zeg!

[exodus]

Hier is wat er gebeurt in Guantanamo. Dit stukje heeft alles weg van een echte nachtmerrie. Amerika is zogezegd het vrije bastion. Een democratische supermacht waar de westerse waarden nog altijd hoog in het vaandel gedragen worden. Dit is slechts schijn voor het miltair-industrieel complex en de intlichtingendiensten. Martelen , drugs dealen, allemaal op hoog niveau. Mind controle door traumatizatie. Ze hebben het werk van de Duitsers overgenomen sinds W.O II.... Ze moeten niet onderdoen voor gelijk welke schurkenstaat in de wereld. Integendeel, het is nog wetenschappelijker.

Prisoners Were Experimented On In Guantanamo's Torture Chambers
[size=3]
Granma International | December 25 2004[/size]

AFTER Australian David Hicks’ horrific revelations concerning the torture he suffered in the Guantánamo concentration camp, including mysterious injections with substances of unknown origin, the lawyer for two of the French detainees: Nizar Sassi and Mourad Benchellali, released in July, recently announced in Paris that his clients suspect that they were also the victims of experiments in one of the most sinister interrogation centers at the US military base.

In the latest edition of the French magazine Le Nouvel Observateur, lawyer Jacques Debray reported that Sassi and Benchellali, who were also forced to take suspect medication, are now wondering if they were victims of experiments carried out by their torturers.

To date, his clients have only agreed to recount a few details of what happened to them in Guantánamo, says Debray; “the French Intelligence Agency DST has explained to them that that would be better while other French nationals are still detained there,” said the lawyer.

“But they have described similar scenes to those in Abu Ghraib,” he affirmed, specifying that the two former detainees, arrested in Pakistan and in US custody after the invasion of Afghanistan, didn’t even know that there was a war in Iraq until after their release.

“In Guantánamo, they were received by U.S. soldiers who urinated on them when they were taken off the plane. At no point did they know why they were there,” he related.

“They were interrogated at least 100 times, and before their interrogations, they would be taken past certain rooms from where they could hear screams. Nizar also told me that they were chained up in a room equipped with one-way mirrors where it was extremely cold.

They also recounted that there were chambers where they would have to listen to extremely violent music.

The two former Guantánamo detainees also spoke of “strange” medications that they were forced to take. “Once, after having received one of those medications, Nizar fainted and thinks that he was drugged without his knowledge for one or two days. They also received injections. They do not know what medication they were given but the two affirmed that one of the other detainees was covered in a rash after having received these medications.”

“They are wondering if they were experimented on, “ the Parisian lawyer affirmed.

“The medication bottles bore numbers and a doctor visited them to ask them if the medicines had had any effect. Other than those questionings, they were unable to see a doctor, except on one or two occasions, because in Guantánamo, everything functioned on a reward system; Nizar had to wait one year before seeing a dentist.

Nizar and Benchellali affirmed that there were an “impressive number of psychiatrists” in Guantánamo and units reserved “for those who went crazy.”

Medical experiments on prisoners are strictly prohibited by the UN convention against torture and other treaties concerning cruel, inhumane or degrading punishment.

David Hicks, one of the few detainees to have been formally charged and who was provided with lawyers given his status as an Australian citizen, recently disclosed in a sworn affidavit, made public in his country, that he was forcibly injected with drugs.

In an affidavit provided by his defense attorneys in Australia, Hicks details the torture he suffered at the hands of his U.S. interrogators, explaining how they banged his head on the asphalt, with his eyes blindfolded, during interrogations that lasted for hours.

Meanwhile, they also deprived him of food and made him run in shackles that tore the skin off his ankles.

Captured while fighting for the Taliban in Afghanistan, 29-year-old Hicks was moved to Guantánamo in January 2002.

”I have been struck with hands, fists, and a rifle butt,” he affirmed in the statement, also taken up by the Australian press.

“I was beaten while under the influence of sedatives that were forcibly administered via injections,” he stated.

He said that appearances by members of the Internal Reaction Force (IRF), a military squad utilized to terrorize “uncooperative” detainees with its dogs - were so common that it was said that the attacked detainees had been “IRF’ed.”

He confirmed that on one occasion he did not see daylight for eight months.

A military court is to try Hicks in March, it was added.

The affidavit confirmed that numerous doctors collaborated on inflicting the torture.

The system created by the Pentagon and the CIA in Guantánamo cannot be considered anything other than an intentional system of cruel, unusual and degrading treatment and a form of torture,” observed the Red Cross in its report sent to Washington, according to The New York Times.

The Red Cross confirmed that doctors and nurses advised the interrogators of prisoners’ physical vulnerabilities, something that the report describes as a flagrant violation of medical ethics.

According to the Times, the torture experts at Guantánamo are able to seek advice from a group called the Behavioral Science Consultation Team, also known as “Biscuit.”

As far back as last August, the prestigious British medical journal The Lancet disclosed that doctors and other health professionals were complicit actors in the torture that took place in Abu Ghraib as well as in Afghanistan and that they were collaborating on the design and practice of psychological and physically coercive interrogation.

The Guantánamo concentration camp, established on the illegally occupied territory of the same name, is under the command of US General Jay W. Hood.

The Red Cross International Committee presented the confidential report to the U.S. government in July following an inspection visit by a delegation to Guantánamo the previous month. Copies of the report were distributed in the White House, the Pentagon and in the State Department. Without any result.

The revelations contained in the affidavit by Australian national Hicks and the suspicions raised by lawyer Jacques Debray occurred shortly after the publication of a report by the Red Cross that denounced the doctors who acted as advisors to the torturers at the U.S. military base.

THE FBI CONFIRMS THE HORROR

In emails recently received by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the FBI has involuntarily confirmed the horror lurking behind the bars of the cells installed there by the administration at the illegal US military base in Guantánamo.

“I have seen a detainee seated on the floor of an interrogation room, wrapped in an Israeli flag, with loud music and flashes from an stroboscope,” an agent told his superiors in a email dated last July 30.

The FBI erased the names of its agents and the dates of the described incidents in the emails obtained by the ACLU. FBI agents have participated in 747 detainee interrogations in Guantánamo, according to its own reports.

“On some occasions, I entered interrogation rooms and found a detainee tied down in a fetal position on the floor, without a chair, food or water. In most cases they had urinated or defecated on themselves, and they were left like that for 18 to 24 hours or more,” said the other agent.

A FBI representative related that he had visited an “almost unconscious” prisoner in a room where the temperature was certainly well above 38 degrees and there was a quantity of hair on the floor.”

The detainee “had apparently torn out his hair during the night,” he explained.

[Herr Flick]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door ingenious

ik niet. het is niet omdat een ander zich niet aan de mensenrechten houdt, dat ik me tot hetzelfde niveau moet verlagen. en eigenlijk gaat het niet alleen over dat martelen alleen. dat is natuurlijk het ergste, maar er zijn nog wel wat rechten geschonden me dunkt.

Er zijn inderdaad een hoop rechten geschonden, langs een andere kant, gaat het hier om guerilliastrijders, die zich zelf niet aan de conventie van geneve houden, men mag ze zelf omdat ze strijden zonder uniform gewoon executeren.

Ik wil hier niet zeggen dat al die gasten op Guantanamo maar moeten geëxecuteerd worden, of gemarteld. Ik wil enkel effe opmerken dat het zelf ook geen lieverdjes zijn en misschien wel belangrijke informatie hebben over mogelijke aanslagen, enz... en dat men dan wat zachte dwang mag uitoefenen om die info te bekomen.

[ingenious]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Herr Flick

Er zijn inderdaad een hoop rechten geschonden, langs een andere kant, gaat het hier om guerilliastrijders, die zich zelf niet aan de conventie van geneve houden, men mag ze zelf omdat ze strijden zonder uniform gewoon executeren.

Ik wil hier niet zeggen dat al die gasten op Guantanamo maar moeten geëxecuteerd worden, of gemarteld. Ik wil enkel effe opmerken dat het zelf ook geen lieverdjes zijn en misschien wel belangrijke informatie hebben over mogelijke aanslagen, enz... en dat men dan wat zachte dwang mag uitoefenen om die info te bekomen.

ik volg het niet allemaal zo goed, maar zijn er overlaatst niet een hele hoop gevangen gewoon vrij gelaten? wie zegt dat dat allemaal over guerillastrijders gaat die gevoelige info bezitten?

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Hier is wat er gebeurt in Guantanamo. Dit stukje heeft alles weg van een echte nachtmerrie. Amerika is zogezegd het vrije bastion. Een democratische supermacht waar de westerse waarden nog altijd hoog in het vaandel gedragen worden. Dit is slechts schijn voor het miltair-industrieel complex en de intlichtingendiensten. Martelen , drugs dealen, allemaal op hoog niveau. Mind controle door traumatizatie. Ze hebben het werk van de Duitsers overgenomen sinds W.O II.... Ze moeten niet onderdoen voor gelijk welke schurkenstaat in de wereld. Integendeel, het is nog wetenschappelijker.

Prisoners Were Experimented On In Guantanamo's Torture Chambers
[size=3]
Granma International | December 25 2004[/size]

AFTER Australian David Hicks’ horrific revelations concerning the torture he suffered in the Guantánamo concentration camp, including mysterious injections with substances of unknown origin, the lawyer for two of the French detainees: Nizar Sassi and Mourad Benchellali, released in July, recently announced in Paris that his clients suspect that they were also the victims of experiments in one of the most sinister interrogation centers at the US military base.

In the latest edition of the French magazine Le Nouvel Observateur, lawyer Jacques Debray reported that Sassi and Benchellali, who were also forced to take suspect medication, are now wondering if they were victims of experiments carried out by their torturers.

To date, his clients have only agreed to recount a few details of what happened to them in Guantánamo, says Debray; “the French Intelligence Agency DST has explained to them that that would be better while other French nationals are still detained there,” said the lawyer.

“But they have described similar scenes to those in Abu Ghraib,” he affirmed, specifying that the two former detainees, arrested in Pakistan and in US custody after the invasion of Afghanistan, didn’t even know that there was a war in Iraq until after their release.

“In Guantánamo, they were received by U.S. soldiers who urinated on them when they were taken off the plane. At no point did they know why they were there,” he related.

“They were interrogated at least 100 times, and before their interrogations, they would be taken past certain rooms from where they could hear screams. Nizar also told me that they were chained up in a room equipped with one-way mirrors where it was extremely cold.

They also recounted that there were chambers where they would have to listen to extremely violent music.

The two former Guantánamo detainees also spoke of “strange” medications that they were forced to take. “Once, after having received one of those medications, Nizar fainted and thinks that he was drugged without his knowledge for one or two days. They also received injections. They do not know what medication they were given but the two affirmed that one of the other detainees was covered in a rash after having received these medications.”

“They are wondering if they were experimented on, “ the Parisian lawyer affirmed.

“The medication bottles bore numbers and a doctor visited them to ask them if the medicines had had any effect. Other than those questionings, they were unable to see a doctor, except on one or two occasions, because in Guantánamo, everything functioned on a reward system; Nizar had to wait one year before seeing a dentist.

Nizar and Benchellali affirmed that there were an “impressive number of psychiatrists” in Guantánamo and units reserved “for those who went crazy.”

Medical experiments on prisoners are strictly prohibited by the UN convention against torture and other treaties concerning cruel, inhumane or degrading punishment.

David Hicks, one of the few detainees to have been formally charged and who was provided with lawyers given his status as an Australian citizen, recently disclosed in a sworn affidavit, made public in his country, that he was forcibly injected with drugs.

In an affidavit provided by his defense attorneys in Australia, Hicks details the torture he suffered at the hands of his U.S. interrogators, explaining how they banged his head on the asphalt, with his eyes blindfolded, during interrogations that lasted for hours.

Meanwhile, they also deprived him of food and made him run in shackles that tore the skin off his ankles.

Captured while fighting for the Taliban in Afghanistan, 29-year-old Hicks was moved to Guantánamo in January 2002.

”I have been struck with hands, fists, and a rifle butt,” he affirmed in the statement, also taken up by the Australian press.

“I was beaten while under the influence of sedatives that were forcibly administered via injections,” he stated.

He said that appearances by members of the Internal Reaction Force (IRF), a military squad utilized to terrorize “uncooperative” detainees with its dogs - were so common that it was said that the attacked detainees had been “IRF’ed.”

He confirmed that on one occasion he did not see daylight for eight months.

A military court is to try Hicks in March, it was added.

The affidavit confirmed that numerous doctors collaborated on inflicting the torture.

The system created by the Pentagon and the CIA in Guantánamo cannot be considered anything other than an intentional system of cruel, unusual and degrading treatment and a form of torture,” observed the Red Cross in its report sent to Washington, according to The New York Times.

The Red Cross confirmed that doctors and nurses advised the interrogators of prisoners’ physical vulnerabilities, something that the report describes as a flagrant violation of medical ethics.

According to the Times, the torture experts at Guantánamo are able to seek advice from a group called the Behavioral Science Consultation Team, also known as “Biscuit.”

As far back as last August, the prestigious British medical journal The Lancet disclosed that doctors and other health professionals were complicit actors in the torture that took place in Abu Ghraib as well as in Afghanistan and that they were collaborating on the design and practice of psychological and physically coercive interrogation.

The Guantánamo concentration camp, established on the illegally occupied territory of the same name, is under the command of US General Jay W. Hood.

The Red Cross International Committee presented the confidential report to the U.S. government in July following an inspection visit by a delegation to Guantánamo the previous month. Copies of the report were distributed in the White House, the Pentagon and in the State Department. Without any result.

The revelations contained in the affidavit by Australian national Hicks and the suspicions raised by lawyer Jacques Debray occurred shortly after the publication of a report by the Red Cross that denounced the doctors who acted as advisors to the torturers at the U.S. military base.

THE FBI CONFIRMS THE HORROR

In emails recently received by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the FBI has involuntarily confirmed the horror lurking behind the bars of the cells installed there by the administration at the illegal US military base in Guantánamo.

“I have seen a detainee seated on the floor of an interrogation room, wrapped in an Israeli flag, with loud music and flashes from an stroboscope,” an agent told his superiors in a email dated last July 30.

The FBI erased the names of its agents and the dates of the described incidents in the emails obtained by the ACLU. FBI agents have participated in 747 detainee interrogations in Guantánamo, according to its own reports.

“On some occasions, I entered interrogation rooms and found a detainee tied down in a fetal position on the floor, without a chair, food or water. In most cases they had urinated or defecated on themselves, and they were left like that for 18 to 24 hours or more,” said the other agent.

A FBI representative related that he had visited an “almost unconscious” prisoner in a room where the temperature was certainly well above 38 degrees and there was a quantity of hair on the floor.”

The detainee “had apparently torn out his hair during the night,” he explained.

Daar gaat ie weer.

Wanneer kom je met het verhaal dat in feite Saddam Hoessein zelf zijn folterpraktijken van weleer heeft mogen uitvoeren in Guantanamo Bay? Hij is toch dè kenner op dat gebied. En misschien zelfs ook lid van Skulls and Bones.

[Wreker]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jos Verhulst

Een FBI-agent die verslag uitbracht over de mishandelingen van hun gevangenen door de Amerikanen in Guantanamo Bay, meldde dat hij een ‘ondervraging’ zag waarbij de gevangene in een Israëlische vlag was gehuld door zijn folteraars.

“In one of the e-mails message, dated from August, the writer reports more than once witnessing prisoners chained to the floor in a fetal position, with no food or water. They had often soiled themselves.

On one occasion, the temperature in a room was lowered so much the barefooted detainee shivered. In another, the room was so hot the detainee had pulled out some of his hair before passing out.(...)
In one e-mail, the writer described seeing a “detainee sitting on the floor of the interview room with an Israeli flag draped around him, loud music being played and a strobe light flashing.” Another Guantanamo prisoner has, in a court petition, described detainees wrapped in Israeli flags, among other allegations. At the time, a Guantanamo Bay spokesman denied his statements.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6741220/

Twee prangende vragen: (a) hoe komen die Israëlische vlaggen in Guantanamo? en (b) waarom gebruiken Amerikaanse folteraars een Israëlische vlag?


Zie ook:
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=4242

Wat is daar nu zo erg aan? Het is toch maar een lapje stof?

[Herr Flick]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door ingenious

ik volg het niet allemaal zo goed, maar zijn er overlaatst niet een hele hoop gevangen gewoon vrij gelaten? wie zegt dat dat allemaal over guerillastrijders gaat die gevoelige info bezitten?

Niet allemaal, hé daarmee dat ik ook specifiek zeg, strijders die info bezitten...

[snoodaard]

De moslimextremisten mogen volgens de conventie van Geneve doodgeschoten worden want wie geen uniform draagt mag de wapens niet opnemen.Hetzelfde gold in feite voor al de verzetslui in WO II.