De nieuwe wereld orde

[Firestone]

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Nou, er is in ieder geval iets aan de hand!
Hoe verklaren de non-believers dan zoveel moorden onder de wetenschappers?
achh ja! statistiek! ik wacht er op!




zie verder voor langere lijst:

http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scie...cientists.html

Het is uiteraard eerst aan jou om aan te tonen dat:

1. Het hier om moorden gaat.
2. Dat er een statistische afwijking van het "normale" is.

Mensen hebben nu eenmaal de kwalijke neiging te sterven.
Wanneer is een dodenlijst abnormaal? Om dat te kunnen bepalen moet je de volledige relevante populatie bepalen, en dan zien of de gevonden waarden afwijken van wat normaal is.

Eenvoudig en vereenvoudigd voorbeeld (waar de getallen totaal arbitrair zijn).

Stelling: er werden in 2004 in de VS abnormaal veel bakkers vermoord.

Cijfermateriaal (verzonnen dus):
Aantal bakkers in de VS: 500000.
Aantal vermoorde bakkers: 100.
Aantal moorden in de VS: 1 per 100000 inwoners en per jaar.

"Normaal" zou men dus verwachten dat er +/- 5 bakkers vermoord werden. 10 zou nog als een normale afwijking kunnen gelden gezien de lage absolute waarden. Maar 100 is veel te veel, en geeft aan dat er "iets aan de gang is" met deze arme bakkers.

Misschien is bakker een risicoberoep, of misschien is er echt een complot tegen bakkers. Dit moet dan nader onderzocht worden.

Ziezo, Pindar, maak eens een analyse en toon ons dat er iets aan de hand is met de wetenschappers.[edit]
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Het is uiteraard eerst aan jou om aan te tonen dat:

1. Het hier om moorden gaat.
2. Dat er een statistische afwijking van het "normale" is.

Mensen hebben nu eenmaal de kwalijke neiging te sterven.
Wanneer is een dodenlijst abnormaal? Om dat te kunnen bepalen moet je de volledige relevante populatie bepalen, en dan zien of de gevonden waarden afwijken van wat normaal is.

Eenvoudig en vereenvoudigd voorbeeld (waar de getallen totaal arbitrair zijn).

Stelling: er werden in 2004 in de VS abnormaal veel bakkers vermoord.

Cijfermateriaal (verzonnen dus):
Aantal bakkers in de VS: 500000.
Aantal vermoorde bakkers: 100.
Aantal moorden in de VS: 1 per 100000 inwoners en per jaar.

"Normaal" zou men dus verwachten dat er +/- 5 bakkers vermoord werden. 10 zou nog als een normale afwijking kunnen gelden gezien de lage absolute waarden. Maar 100 is veel te veel, en geeft aan dat er "iets aan de gang is" met deze arme bakkers.

Misschien is bakker een risicoberoep, of misschien is er echt een complot tegen bakkers. Dit moet dan nader onderzocht worden.

Ziezo, Pindar, maak eens een analyse en toon ons dat er iets aan de hand is met de wetenschappers.[/size]

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Het is uiteraard eerst aan jou om aan te tonen dat:

1. Het hier om moorden gaat.
2. Dat er een statistische afwijking van het "normale" is.

Mensen hebben nu eenmaal de kwalijke neiging te sterven.
Wanneer is een dodenlijst abnormaal? Om dat te kunnen bepalen moet je de volledige relevante populatie bepalen, en dan zien of de gevonden waarden afwijken van wat normaal is.

Eenvoudig en vereenvoudigd voorbeeld (waar de getallen totaal arbitrair zijn).

Stelling: er werden in 2004 in de VS abnormaal veel bakkers vermoord.

Cijfermateriaal (verzonnen dus):
Aantal bakkers in de VS: 500000.
Aantal vermoorde bakkers: 100.
Aantal moorden in de VS: 1 per 100000 inwoners.

"Normaal" zou men dus verwachten dat er +/- 5 bakkers vermoord werden. 10 zou nog als een normale afwijking kunnen gelden gezien de lage absolute waarden. Maar 100 is veel te veel, en geeft aan dat er "iets aan de gang is" met deze arme bakkers.

Misschien is bakker een risicoberoep, of misschien is er echt een complot tegen bakkers. Dit moet dan nader onderzocht worden.

Ziezo, Pindar, maak eens een analyse en toon ons dat er iets aan de hand is met de wetenschappers.[/size]

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[Pindar]

LOL ik had jou al verwacht, je bent zo voorspelbaar geworden! LOL

1. Het hier om moorden gaat.

begin eens met het artikel te l.e.z.e.n.!!!
staat godbeter het in hoe ze vermoord zijn!

Pindar

[Firestone]

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LOL ik had jou al verwacht, je bent zo voorspelbaar geworden! LOL



begin eens met het artikel te l.e.z.e.n.!!!
staat godbeter het in hoe ze vermoord zijn!

Neen, dat staat er helemaal niet in voor velen!
Er staat hoe ze GESTORVEN zijn, niet hoe ze VERMOORD werden.

Voorbeeldjes:

#76: Todd Kauppila, age 41. Died: May 8, 2005 of hemorrhagic pancreatitis at the Los Alamos hospital, according to the state medical examiner's office.

#75: David Banks, age 55. Died: May 8, 2005. Banks, based in North Queensland, died in an airplane crash, along with 14 others.

#74: Dr. Douglas James Passaro, age 43. Died April 18, 2005 from unknown cause in Oak Park, Illinois.

#73: Geetha Angara, age 43. Died: February 8, 2005. This formerly missing chemist was found in a Totowa, New Jersey water treatment plant's tank. Angara, 43, of Holmdel, was last seen on the night of Feb. 8 doing water quality tests at the Passaic Valley Water Commission plant in Totowa, where she worked for 12 years. Divers found her body in a 35-foot-deep sump opening at the bottom of one of the emptied tanks. Investigators are treating Angara's death as a possible homicide.

#s70-71: Tom Thorne, age 64; Beth Williams, age 53; Died: December 29, 2004. Two wild life scientists, Husband-and-wife wildlife veterinarians who were nationally prominent experts on chronic wasting disease and brucellosis were killed in a snowy-weather crash on U.S. 287 in northern Colorado.

#68: John R. La Montagne, age 61. Died: November 2, 2004. Died while in Mexico, no cause stated, later disclosed as pulmonary embolism.

#64: Dr. John Badwey, age 54. Died: July 21, 2004.

#62: Professor Stephen Tabet, age 42. Died on July 6, 2004 from an unknown illness.

#61: Dr. Larry Bustard, age 53. Died July 2, 2004 from unknown causes.

#60: Edward Hoffman, age 62. Died July 1, 2004 from unknown causes.

#58: Dr. Paul Norman, age 52. Died: June 27, 2004. From Salisbury Wiltshire. Killed when the single-engine Cessna 206 he was piloting crashed in Devon.

#57: Dr. Assefa Tulu, age 45. Died: June 24, 2004....
Found face down, dead in his office. The Dallas County Epidemiologist died of a hemorrhagic stroke.

#56: Thomas Gold, age 84. Died: June 22, 2004. ... Long term battle with heart failure.

#55: Antonina Presnyakova, age 46. Died: May 25, 2004. A Russian scientist at a former Soviet biological weapons laboratory in Siberia died after an accident with a needle laced with ebola.

#52: Ilsley Ingram, age 84. Died on April 12, 2004 from unknown causes.

#50: Vadake Srinivasan, Died: March 13, 2004. Microbiologist crashed car into guard rail in Baton Rouge, LA. Death was ruled a stroke.

#49: Dr. Michael Patrick Kiley, age 62. Died: January 24, 2004. Died of massive heart attack.

#48: Robert Shope, age 74. Died: January 23, 2004. Virus Expert Who Warned of Epidemics, Dies died of lung transplant complications. Later purported to have died of Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis which can be caused by either environmental stimulus or a VIRUS.

#47: Dr Richard Stevens, age 54. Died: January 6, 2004. He had disappeared after arriving for work on 21 July, 2003. A doctor whose disappearance sparked a national manhunt, killed himself because he could not cope with the stress of a secret affair, a coroner has ruled. He was a hematologist. (hematologists analyze the cellular composition of blood and blood producing tissues e.g. bone marrow).

Voor de meeste gevallen in jouw lijst is het alles behalve zeker dat ze vermoord werden!

Ik wacht uiteraard op jouw statistische analyse (waar je over zwijgt, zal wel toeval zijn).
Hou er ook rekening mee dat een aantal van de vermeende moorden in Irak hebben plaatsgevonden, dat zal ook een effect hebben op jouw berekeningen.

[Firestone]

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begin eens met het artikel te l.e.z.e.n.!!!

Denk jij echt dat jij het warm waten hebt uitgevonden???

Dodenlijsten komen in elke samenzweringstheorie voor (om redenen die elke rationele denker meteen doorheeft ).

/\lcazar is hier enkele maanden ook mee afgekomen, en ook hij is niet verder geraakt dan het anekdotische.

Een lijst van (vermeende) moorden, en dan gewoon beweren dat dat verdacht is.

Standaard onzin, hoor, daar had ik jouw lijst echt niet voor nodig.

[Pindar]

Standaard onzin, hoor, daar had ik jouw lijst echt niet voor nodig.

Ja ja. jij hebt niks nodig, jij weet alles al!

LOL soms lach ik me rot om je opmerkingen en soms
word ik alleen maar depri van je waardeloze getetter. gaaaaaaaaap



met vriendelijke groeten

Pindar[edit]
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Ja ja. jij hebt niks nodig, jij weet alles al!

LOL soms lach ik me rot om je opmerkingen en soms
word ik alleen maar depri van je waardeloze getetter. gaaaaaaaaap



met vriendelijke groeten

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Ja ja. jij hebt niks nodig, jij weet alles al!

LOL soms lach ik me rot om me opmerkingen en soms
word ik alleen maar depri van je waardeloze getetter. gaaaaaaaaap



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[Pindar]

Firestone.

Even een vraagje, heb je "None dare call it conspiracy" nou al
gelezen?
Zo ja, dan had je de vragen hierboven niet eens gesteld.
zo nee, waarom niet? Exodus heeft hem hier gratis on-line staan.
Verklaart heel veel van je vragen hoor, maar ja.
Kom maar terug als je hem gelezen hebt, want eerder snap je er geen joeta van, ok?

met vriendelijke groeten

Pindar

[Firestone]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pindar

Ja ja. jij hebt niks nodig, jij weet alles al!

LOL soms lach ik me rot om je opmerkingen en soms
word ik alleen maar depri van je waardeloze getetter. gaaaaaaaaap

Maar een statistische analyse produceren die aantoont dat er iets aan de hand is kan je niet.
Je reageert ook niet op het feit dat, in tegenstelling tot wat jij beweerde, er helemaal niet staat hoe ze VERMOORD werden.

Zoals steeds vlucht je voor elke inhoudelijke discussie over jouw beweringen.

[exodus]

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Maar een statistische analyse produceren die aantoont dat er iets aan de hand is kan je niet.
Je reageert ook niet op het feit dat, in tegenstelling tot wat jij beweerde, er helemaal niet staat hoe ze VERMOORD werden.

Zoals steeds vlucht je voor elke inhoudelijke discussie over jouw beweringen.

Volgens mij zijn er toch minder vooraanstaande microbiologen dan bakker. Je hebt geen statistische analyse nodig om te zien dat dit een anomalie is.

Btw je zit hier te oordelen en je hebt geen idee waarover je praat. Lees eens None Dare it Call conspiracy, en kijk dan nog eens of het allemaal uit hun context gerukt is.

[Firestone]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Volgens mij zijn er toch minder vooraanstaande microbiologen dan bakker. Je hebt geen statistische analyse nodig om te zien dat dit een anomalie is.

Je hebt wel een analyse nodig (anders kan je gewoon niet weten of er iets aan de hand is). Het gaat trouwens niet alléén over microbiologen.
Je moet ook nog aantonen dat het hier om moorden gaat. In de meeste gevallen uit de lijst is dat helemaal niet zeker.

Dat is het verschil tussen lemmings en believers.

Voor believers volstaat een suggestie.
Lemmings willen echte argumenten.[edit]
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Je hebt wel een analyse nodig (anders kan je gewoon niet weten of er iets aan de hand is). Het gaat trouwens niet alléén over microbiologen.
Je moet ook nog aantonen dat het hier om moorden gaat. In de meeste gevallen uit de lijst is dat helemaal niet zeker.

Dat is het verschil tussen lemmings en believers.

Voor believers volstaat een suggestie.
Lemmings willen echte argumenten.[/size]

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[quote=exodus]Volgens mij zijn er toch minder vooraanstaande microbiologen dan bakker. Je hebt geen statistische analyse nodig om te zien dat dit een anomalie is.

[quote]Je hebt wel een analyse nodig (anders kan je gewoon niet weten of er iets aan de hand is). Het gaat trouwens niet alléén over microbiologen.
Je moet ook nog aantonen dat het hier om moorden gaat. In de meeste gevallen uit de lijst is dat helemaal niet zeker.

Dat is het verschil tussen lemmings en believers.

Voor believers volstaat een suggestie.
Lemmings willen echte argumenten.[/size]

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[exodus]

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Voor believers volstaat een suggestie.
Lemmings willen echte argumenten.

Hier heb je echte argumenten. Uit 1972, maar nog evengoed om de NWO te beschrijven, en toen was er van internet conspiracy-nuts nog geen sprake. Keiharde feiten.

Over none dare it call conspiracy:

First published in 1971, this book has alerted more people to the dangers of the NWO conspiracy than any other book. I recall handing out copies of this book to people in the early 70's. The back cover of the copy I have (a 1971 paperback) has endorsements by heavy-hitters like the chief of security for the Atom Bomb Project, a former assistant to J. Edgar Hoover, the chief investigator to the Reece Committee, the President of the Jewish Right, the former Dean of Notre Dame Law School and one former Secretary of Agriculture. It's obvious, those who have worked high up in the government know that there are power games going on. World events and news are being manipulated for the gain of a few elites. There are other books which go into more detail on these issues. One good one is Anthony Sutton's book about Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution. There are many others.

After reading this book, it's easy to see why it is politically incorrect to use the "C" word (ie. conspiracy).



Klik op de cover om het boek te lezen.

[Firestone]

***zucht***

Pindar komt met zijn dodenlijst.
Wanneer ik daar INHOUDELIJK op inga, beginnen jullie over iets anders.

Altijd opnieuw hetzelfde: jullie willen helemaal geen discussie, alléén maar propaganda maken.

[exodus]

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***zucht***

Pindar komt met zijn dodenlijst.
Wanneer ik daar INHOUDELIJK op inga, beginnen jullie over iets anders.

Altijd opnieuw hetzelfde: jullie willen helemaal geen discussie, alléén maar propaganda maken.

Ik ben er niet meer op ingegaan omdat het geen avance is.

Het boek lezen zal je toch nooit doen. Dat komt omdat je uit vooroordelen handelt. Van dag 1 had je er al iets tegen. En nu ga je zeggend at ik dat niet kan weten maar ik weet het wel, je hebt het onderwerp direct afgekraakt, je hebt er niet voor opengestaan. Je hebt wellicht het meeste gepost in alle NWO draden maar je hebt geen benul van wat het echt is!

[Firestone]

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Ik ben er niet meer op ingegaan omdat het geen avance is.

Het boek lezen zal je toch nooit doen. Dat komt omdat je uit vooroordelen handelt. Van dag 1 had je er al iets tegen. En nu ga je zeggend at ik dat niet kan weten maar ik weet het wel, je hebt het onderwerp direct afgekraakt, je hebt er niet voor opengestaan. Je hebt wellicht het meeste gepost in alle NWO draden maar je hebt geen benul van wat het echt is!

Daarom dat Pindar wel de "dodenlijst" post, maar jullie weigeren te reageren op mijn argumenten.

En zo gaat het steeds. Jullie zijn blind voor elk argument dat de conspiracy-guru's niet goedgekeurd hebben.

[exodus]

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Daarom dat Pindar wel de "dodenlijst" post, maar jullie weigeren te reageren op mijn argumenten.

En zo gaat het steeds. Jullie zijn blind voor elk argument dat de conspiracy-guru's niet goedgekeurd hebben.

Slaap, kindje, slaap
Daar buiten loopt een schaap,
Een schaap met witte voetjes,
Dat drinkt de melk zo zoetjes,
Melkje van de bonte koe,
Kleine Firestone, doe er je oogjes toe.

[Firestone]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Slaap, kindje, slaap
Daar buiten loopt een schaap,
Een schaap met witte voetjes,
Dat drinkt de melk zo zoetjes,
Melkje van de bonte koe,
Kleine Firestone, doe er je oogjes toe.

Mag ik hieruit afleiden dat jullie gewoon niet in staat zijn enige waarde te geven aan de dodenlijst?
Weer een nepargument dat naar de prullenbak is verwezen.

En binnen enkele weken of maanden verschijnt ze opnieuw!

[Lex Blanca]

Het is een lijst die ik snel gezocht heb;je vindt er zelf vast betere via google.
Niet allemaal,maar toch veel ervan zijn moorden.
Ook enkele vliegtuigcrashes
En het geval Kelly...
En eentje die overreden werd
En eentje die sterft in het labo waar hij werkt...
Nuja,in het geval van de bovenstaande 3 komen we er zker al niet uit...geen bewijs


Here is at least a partial list of dead microbiologists:


July 18, 2003: Dr. David Kelly, a British biological weapons expert

June 24, 2003: Dr. Leland Rickman, a UC San Diego expert on infectious
diseases

November 12 2002: Dr. Benito Que, 52, was "an expert in infectious
diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School

March 25, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Steven Mostow, 63

March 24, 2002: Dead microbiologist: David Wynn-Williams, 55

February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco,Tanya Holzmayer, 46, is shot and killed by a colleague, Guyang Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself.

February 11, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Dr. Ian Langford, 40

February 9, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Victor Korshunov, 56

January 2002: Two dead microbiologists: Ivan Glebov and Alexi
Brushlinski

December 14, 2001: Dead microbiologist: Nguyen Van Set, 44

December 10, 2001: Dead microbiologist: "Dr. Robert Schwartz, 57

November 24, 2001: Three more dead microbiologists: Dr. Yaakov Matzner,
54, dean of the Hebrew University school of medicine; Amiramp Eldor,
59, head of the haematology department at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv
and a world-recognized expert in blood clotting; and Avishai Berkman,
50, director of the Tel Aviv public health department and businessman

November 21, 2001: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian
defector Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64

November 16, 2001: Dr. Don Wiley, 57

November 6, 2001: Jeffry Paris


Now, read the circumstances of the deaths of some of these scientists. It seems microbiology is the most dangerous occupation...


November 6, 2001: Jeffrey Paris' body was found sprawled next to a
three-story parking structure near his office. Mr. Wall, 41, had
studied at the University of California, Los Angeles. He was a
biomedical expert who held a medical degree, and he also specialized
in patent and intellectual property.
November 16, 2001: Dr. Don Wiley, 57, disappears during a business
trip to Memphis, Tennessee. He had just bought tickets to take his son
to Graceland the following day. Police found his rental car on a
bridge outside Memphis. His body was later found in the Mississippi
River. Wiley was one of the world's leading researchers of deadly
viruses, including HIV and the Ebola virus. He was an expert on the
immune system's response to viral attacks
.

November 21, 2001: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian
defector Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64, dies of a stroke. Pasechnik, who
defected to Britain in 1989, succeeded in producing an aerosolized
plague microbe that could survive outside the laboratory. He was
connected to Britain's spy agency and recently had started his own
company. "In the last few weeks of his life he had put his research on
anthrax at the disposal of the [British] Government, in the light of
the threat from bioterrorism.

November 24, 2001: Three more dead microbiologists: A Swissair flight
from Berlin to Zurich crashes during its landing approach; 22 are
killed and nine survive. Among those killed are Dr. Yaakov Matzner,
54, dean of the Hebrew University school of medicine; Amiramp Eldor,
59, head of the haematology department at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv
and a world-recognized expert in blood clotting; and Avishai Berkman,
50, director of the Tel Aviv public health department and businessman

December 10, 2001: Dead microbiologist: "Dr. Robert Schwartz, 57, was
stabbed and slashed with what police believe was a sword in his
farmhouse in Leesberg, Va. His daughter, who identifies herself as a
pagan high priestess, and three of her fellow pagans have been
charged." [Globe and Mail, 5/4/02] All were part of what they called a
coven, and interested in magic, fantasy and self-mutilation. The
police have no motive as to why they would have wanted to kill
Schwartz, who was a single parent and said to be very close to his
children. Schwartz worked at Virginia's Center for Innovative
Technology on DNA sequencing and pathogenic microorganisms.

December 14, 2001: Dead microbiologist: Nguyen Van Set, 44, dies in an
airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia. The lab
had just been written up in the journal Nature for its work in genetic
manipulation and DNA sequencing. Scientists there had created a
virulent form of mousepox. "They realized that if similar genetic
manipulation was carried out on smallpox, an unstoppable killer could
be unleashed,"

January 2002: Two dead microbiologists: Ivan Glebov and Alexi
Brushlinski. Glebov died as the result of a bandit attack and
Brushlinski was killed in Moscow. Both were well known around the
world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.

February 9, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Victor Korshunov, 56, is bashed
over the head and killed at the entrance of his home in Moscow,
Russia. He was the head of the microbiology sub-faculty at the Russian
State Medical University and an expert in intestinal bacteria.

February 11, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Dr. Ian Langford, 40, is found
dead, partially naked and wedged under a chair in his home in Norwich,
England. When found, his house was described as "blood-spattered and
apparently ransacked." He was one of Europe's leading experts on
environmental risk.

February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco: While
taking delivery of a pizza, Tanya Holzmayer, 46, is shot and killed by
a colleague, Guyang Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself.
Holzmayer moved to the US from Russia in 1989. Her research focused on
the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best
by medicine. Holzmayer was focusing on helping create new drugs that
interfere with replication of the virus that causes AIDS. One year
earlier, Holzmayer obeyed senior management orders to fire Huang.

March 24, 2002: Dead microbiologist: David Wynn-Williams, 55, is hit
by a car while jogging near his home in Cambridge, England. He was an
astrobiologist with the Antarctic Astrobiology Project and the NASA
Ames Research Center. He was studying the capability of microbes to
adapt to environmental extremes, including the bombardment of
ultraviolet rays and global warming.

March 25, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Steven Mostow, 63, dies when the
airplane he was piloting crashes near Denver, Colorado. He worked at
the Colorado Health Sciences Centre and was known as "Dr. Flu" for his
expertise in treating influenza, and expertise on bioterrorism. Mostow
was one of the country's leading infectious disease experts.

November 12 2002: Dr. Benito Que, 52, was "an expert in infectious
diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School. Police
originally suspected that he had been beaten on in a carjacking in the
medical school's parking lot. Strangely enough, though, his body
showed no signs of a beating.

June 24, 2003: Dr. Leland Rickman, a UC San Diego expert on infectious
diseases and, since Sept. 11, 2001 a consultant on bioterrorism. He
was 47. Rickman died while on a teaching assignment in Lesotho, a
small country bordered on all sides by South Africa. He had complained
of a headache, but the cause of death was not immediately known. The
physician had been working in Lesotho with Dr. Chris Mathews, director
of the UC San Diego Medical Center's Owen Clinic, teaching African
medical personnel about the prevention and treatment of AIDS.Rickman,
the incoming president of the Infectious Disease Assn. of California,
was a multidisciplinary professor and practitioner with expertise in
infectious diseases, internal medicine, epidemiology, microbiology and
antibiotic utilization

July 18, 2003: David Kelly, a British biological weapons expert, was
said to have slashed his own wrists while walking near his home. Kelly
was the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific officer and senior
adviser to the proliferation and arms control secretariat, and to the
Foreign Office's non-proliferation department. The senior adviser on
biological weapons to the UN biological weapons inspections teams
(Unscom) from 1994 to 1999, he was also, in the opinion of his peers,
pre-eminent in his field, not only in this country, but in the world.[edit]
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Het is een lijst die ik snel gezocht heb;je vindt er zelf vast betere via google.
Niet allemaal,maar toch veel ervan zijn moorden.
Ook enkele vliegtuigcrashes
En het geval Kelly...
En eentje die overreden werd
En eentje die sterft in het labo waar hij werkt...
Nuja,in het geval van de bovenstaande 3 komen we er zker al niet uit...geen bewijs


Here is at least a partial list of dead microbiologists:


July 18, 2003: Dr. David Kelly, a British biological weapons expert

June 24, 2003: Dr. Leland Rickman, a UC San Diego expert on infectious
diseases

November 12 2002: Dr. Benito Que, 52, was "an expert in infectious
diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School

March 25, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Steven Mostow, 63

March 24, 2002: Dead microbiologist: David Wynn-Williams, 55

February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco,Tanya Holzmayer, 46, is shot and killed by a colleague, Guyang Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself.

February 11, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Dr. Ian Langford, 40

February 9, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Victor Korshunov, 56

January 2002: Two dead microbiologists: Ivan Glebov and Alexi
Brushlinski

December 14, 2001: Dead microbiologist: Nguyen Van Set, 44

December 10, 2001: Dead microbiologist: "Dr. Robert Schwartz, 57

November 24, 2001: Three more dead microbiologists: Dr. Yaakov Matzner,
54, dean of the Hebrew University school of medicine; Amiramp Eldor,
59, head of the haematology department at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv
and a world-recognized expert in blood clotting; and Avishai Berkman,
50, director of the Tel Aviv public health department and businessman

November 21, 2001: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian
defector Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64

November 16, 2001: Dr. Don Wiley, 57

November 6, 2001: Jeffry Paris


Now, read the circumstances of the deaths of some of these scientists. It seems microbiology is the most dangerous occupation...


November 6, 2001: Jeffrey Paris' body was found sprawled next to a
three-story parking structure near his office. Mr. Wall, 41, had
studied at the University of California, Los Angeles. He was a
biomedical expert who held a medical degree, and he also specialized
in patent and intellectual property.
November 16, 2001: Dr. Don Wiley, 57, disappears during a business
trip to Memphis, Tennessee. He had just bought tickets to take his son
to Graceland the following day. Police found his rental car on a
bridge outside Memphis. His body was later found in the Mississippi
River. Wiley was one of the world's leading researchers of deadly
viruses, including HIV and the Ebola virus. He was an expert on the
immune system's response to viral attacks
.

November 21, 2001: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian
defector Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64, dies of a stroke. Pasechnik, who
defected to Britain in 1989, succeeded in producing an aerosolized
plague microbe that could survive outside the laboratory. He was
connected to Britain's spy agency and recently had started his own
company. "In the last few weeks of his life he had put his research on
anthrax at the disposal of the [British] Government, in the light of
the threat from bioterrorism.

November 24, 2001: Three more dead microbiologists: A Swissair flight
from Berlin to Zurich crashes during its landing approach; 22 are
killed and nine survive. Among those killed are Dr. Yaakov Matzner,
54, dean of the Hebrew University school of medicine; Amiramp Eldor,
59, head of the haematology department at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv
and a world-recognized expert in blood clotting; and Avishai Berkman,
50, director of the Tel Aviv public health department and businessman

December 10, 2001: Dead microbiologist: "Dr. Robert Schwartz, 57, was
stabbed and slashed with what police believe was a sword in his
farmhouse in Leesberg, Va. His daughter, who identifies herself as a
pagan high priestess, and three of her fellow pagans have been
charged." [Globe and Mail, 5/4/02] All were part of what they called a
coven, and interested in magic, fantasy and self-mutilation. The
police have no motive as to why they would have wanted to kill
Schwartz, who was a single parent and said to be very close to his
children. Schwartz worked at Virginia's Center for Innovative
Technology on DNA sequencing and pathogenic microorganisms.

December 14, 2001: Dead microbiologist: Nguyen Van Set, 44, dies in an
airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia. The lab
had just been written up in the journal Nature for its work in genetic
manipulation and DNA sequencing. Scientists there had created a
virulent form of mousepox. "They realized that if similar genetic
manipulation was carried out on smallpox, an unstoppable killer could
be unleashed,"

January 2002: Two dead microbiologists: Ivan Glebov and Alexi
Brushlinski. Glebov died as the result of a bandit attack and
Brushlinski was killed in Moscow. Both were well known around the
world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.

February 9, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Victor Korshunov, 56, is bashed
over the head and killed at the entrance of his home in Moscow,
Russia. He was the head of the microbiology sub-faculty at the Russian
State Medical University and an expert in intestinal bacteria.

February 11, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Dr. Ian Langford, 40, is found
dead, partially naked and wedged under a chair in his home in Norwich,
England. When found, his house was described as "blood-spattered and
apparently ransacked." He was one of Europe's leading experts on
environmental risk.

February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco: While
taking delivery of a pizza, Tanya Holzmayer, 46, is shot and killed by
a colleague, Guyang Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself.
Holzmayer moved to the US from Russia in 1989. Her research focused on
the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best
by medicine. Holzmayer was focusing on helping create new drugs that
interfere with replication of the virus that causes AIDS. One year
earlier, Holzmayer obeyed senior management orders to fire Huang.

March 24, 2002: Dead microbiologist: David Wynn-Williams, 55, is hit
by a car while jogging near his home in Cambridge, England. He was an
astrobiologist with the Antarctic Astrobiology Project and the NASA
Ames Research Center. He was studying the capability of microbes to
adapt to environmental extremes, including the bombardment of
ultraviolet rays and global warming.

March 25, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Steven Mostow, 63, dies when the
airplane he was piloting crashes near Denver, Colorado. He worked at
the Colorado Health Sciences Centre and was known as "Dr. Flu" for his
expertise in treating influenza, and expertise on bioterrorism. Mostow
was one of the country's leading infectious disease experts.

November 12 2002: Dr. Benito Que, 52, was "an expert in infectious
diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School. Police
originally suspected that he had been beaten on in a carjacking in the
medical school's parking lot. Strangely enough, though, his body
showed no signs of a beating.

June 24, 2003: Dr. Leland Rickman, a UC San Diego expert on infectious
diseases and, since Sept. 11, 2001 a consultant on bioterrorism. He
was 47. Rickman died while on a teaching assignment in Lesotho, a
small country bordered on all sides by South Africa. He had complained
of a headache, but the cause of death was not immediately known. The
physician had been working in Lesotho with Dr. Chris Mathews, director
of the UC San Diego Medical Center's Owen Clinic, teaching African
medical personnel about the prevention and treatment of AIDS.Rickman,
the incoming president of the Infectious Disease Assn. of California,
was a multidisciplinary professor and practitioner with expertise in
infectious diseases, internal medicine, epidemiology, microbiology and
antibiotic utilization

July 18, 2003: David Kelly, a British biological weapons expert, was
said to have slashed his own wrists while walking near his home. Kelly
was the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific officer and senior
adviser to the proliferation and arms control secretariat, and to the
Foreign Office's non-proliferation department. The senior adviser on
biological weapons to the UN biological weapons inspections teams
(Unscom) from 1994 to 1999, he was also, in the opinion of his peers,
pre-eminent in his field, not only in this country, but in the world.[/size]

[size=1]Edit:[/size]

[size=1]After edit by Lex Blanca on 09-09-2005 at 20:02
Reason:
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Het is een lijst die ik snel gezocht heb;je vindt er zelf vast betere via google.
Niet allemaal,maar toch veel ervan zijn moorden.
Ook enkele vliegtuigcrashes
En het geval Kelly...
En eentje die overreden werd
En eentje die sterft in het labo waar hij werkt...
Nuja,in het geval van de laatste 3 komen we er zker al niet uit...geen bewijs


Here is at least a partial list of dead microbiologists:


July 18, 2003: Dr. David Kelly, a British biological weapons expert

June 24, 2003: Dr. Leland Rickman, a UC San Diego expert on infectious
diseases

November 12 2002: Dr. Benito Que, 52, was "an expert in infectious
diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School

March 25, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Steven Mostow, 63

March 24, 2002: Dead microbiologist: David Wynn-Williams, 55

February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco,Tanya Holzmayer, 46, is shot and killed by a colleague, Guyang Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself.

February 11, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Dr. Ian Langford, 40

February 9, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Victor Korshunov, 56

January 2002: Two dead microbiologists: Ivan Glebov and Alexi
Brushlinski

December 14, 2001: Dead microbiologist: Nguyen Van Set, 44

December 10, 2001: Dead microbiologist: "Dr. Robert Schwartz, 57

November 24, 2001: Three more dead microbiologists: Dr. Yaakov Matzner,
54, dean of the Hebrew University school of medicine; Amiramp Eldor,
59, head of the haematology department at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv
and a world-recognized expert in blood clotting; and Avishai Berkman,
50, director of the Tel Aviv public health department and businessman

November 21, 2001: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian
defector Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64

November 16, 2001: Dr. Don Wiley, 57

November 6, 2001: Jeffry Paris


Now, read the circumstances of the deaths of some of these scientists. It seems microbiology is the most dangerous occupation...


November 6, 2001: Jeffrey Paris' body was found sprawled next to a
three-story parking structure near his office. Mr. Wall, 41, had
studied at the University of California, Los Angeles. He was a
biomedical expert who held a medical degree, and he also specialized
in patent and intellectual property.
November 16, 2001: Dr. Don Wiley, 57, disappears during a business
trip to Memphis, Tennessee. He had just bought tickets to take his son
to Graceland the following day. Police found his rental car on a
bridge outside Memphis. His body was later found in the Mississippi
River. Wiley was one of the world's leading researchers of deadly
viruses, including HIV and the Ebola virus. He was an expert on the
immune system's response to viral attacks
.

November 21, 2001: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian
defector Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64, dies of a stroke. Pasechnik, who
defected to Britain in 1989, succeeded in producing an aerosolized
plague microbe that could survive outside the laboratory. He was
connected to Britain's spy agency and recently had started his own
company. "In the last few weeks of his life he had put his research on
anthrax at the disposal of the [British] Government, in the light of
the threat from bioterrorism.

November 24, 2001: Three more dead microbiologists: A Swissair flight
from Berlin to Zurich crashes during its landing approach; 22 are
killed and nine survive. Among those killed are Dr. Yaakov Matzner,
54, dean of the Hebrew University school of medicine; Amiramp Eldor,
59, head of the haematology department at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv
and a world-recognized expert in blood clotting; and Avishai Berkman,
50, director of the Tel Aviv public health department and businessman

December 10, 2001: Dead microbiologist: "Dr. Robert Schwartz, 57, was
stabbed and slashed with what police believe was a sword in his
farmhouse in Leesberg, Va. His daughter, who identifies herself as a
pagan high priestess, and three of her fellow pagans have been
charged." [Globe and Mail, 5/4/02] All were part of what they called a
coven, and interested in magic, fantasy and self-mutilation. The
police have no motive as to why they would have wanted to kill
Schwartz, who was a single parent and said to be very close to his
children. Schwartz worked at Virginia's Center for Innovative
Technology on DNA sequencing and pathogenic microorganisms.

December 14, 2001: Dead microbiologist: Nguyen Van Set, 44, dies in an
airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia. The lab
had just been written up in the journal Nature for its work in genetic
manipulation and DNA sequencing. Scientists there had created a
virulent form of mousepox. "They realized that if similar genetic
manipulation was carried out on smallpox, an unstoppable killer could
be unleashed,"

January 2002: Two dead microbiologists: Ivan Glebov and Alexi
Brushlinski. Glebov died as the result of a bandit attack and
Brushlinski was killed in Moscow. Both were well known around the
world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.

February 9, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Victor Korshunov, 56, is bashed
over the head and killed at the entrance of his home in Moscow,
Russia. He was the head of the microbiology sub-faculty at the Russian
State Medical University and an expert in intestinal bacteria.

February 11, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Dr. Ian Langford, 40, is found
dead, partially naked and wedged under a chair in his home in Norwich,
England. When found, his house was described as "blood-spattered and
apparently ransacked." He was one of Europe's leading experts on
environmental risk.

February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco: While
taking delivery of a pizza, Tanya Holzmayer, 46, is shot and killed by
a colleague, Guyang Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself.
Holzmayer moved to the US from Russia in 1989. Her research focused on
the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best
by medicine. Holzmayer was focusing on helping create new drugs that
interfere with replication of the virus that causes AIDS. One year
earlier, Holzmayer obeyed senior management orders to fire Huang.

March 24, 2002: Dead microbiologist: David Wynn-Williams, 55, is hit
by a car while jogging near his home in Cambridge, England. He was an
astrobiologist with the Antarctic Astrobiology Project and the NASA
Ames Research Center. He was studying the capability of microbes to
adapt to environmental extremes, including the bombardment of
ultraviolet rays and global warming.

March 25, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Steven Mostow, 63, dies when the
airplane he was piloting crashes near Denver, Colorado. He worked at
the Colorado Health Sciences Centre and was known as "Dr. Flu" for his
expertise in treating influenza, and expertise on bioterrorism. Mostow
was one of the country's leading infectious disease experts.

November 12 2002: Dr. Benito Que, 52, was "an expert in infectious
diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School. Police
originally suspected that he had been beaten on in a carjacking in the
medical school's parking lot. Strangely enough, though, his body
showed no signs of a beating.

June 24, 2003: Dr. Leland Rickman, a UC San Diego expert on infectious
diseases and, since Sept. 11, 2001 a consultant on bioterrorism. He
was 47. Rickman died while on a teaching assignment in Lesotho, a
small country bordered on all sides by South Africa. He had complained
of a headache, but the cause of death was not immediately known. The
physician had been working in Lesotho with Dr. Chris Mathews, director
of the UC San Diego Medical Center's Owen Clinic, teaching African
medical personnel about the prevention and treatment of AIDS.Rickman,
the incoming president of the Infectious Disease Assn. of California,
was a multidisciplinary professor and practitioner with expertise in
infectious diseases, internal medicine, epidemiology, microbiology and
antibiotic utilization

July 18, 2003: David Kelly, a British biological weapons expert, was
said to have slashed his own wrists while walking near his home. Kelly
was the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific officer and senior
adviser to the proliferation and arms control secretariat, and to the
Foreign Office's non-proliferation department. The senior adviser on
biological weapons to the UN biological weapons inspections teams
(Unscom) from 1994 to 1999, he was also, in the opinion of his peers,
pre-eminent in his field, not only in this country, but in the world.[/size]

[size=1]Edit:[/size]

[size=1]After edit by Lex Blanca on 09-09-2005 at 19:57
Reason:
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Het is een lijst die ik snel gezocht heb;je vindt er zelf vast betere via google.
Niet allemaal,maar toch veel ervan zijn moorden.
Ook enkele vliegtuigcrashes


Here is at least a partial list of dead microbiologists:


July 18, 2003: Dr. David Kelly, a British biological weapons expert

June 24, 2003: Dr. Leland Rickman, a UC San Diego expert on infectious
diseases

November 12 2002: Dr. Benito Que, 52, was "an expert in infectious
diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School

March 25, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Steven Mostow, 63

March 24, 2002: Dead microbiologist: David Wynn-Williams, 55

February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco,Tanya Holzmayer, 46, is shot and killed by a colleague, Guyang Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself.

February 11, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Dr. Ian Langford, 40

February 9, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Victor Korshunov, 56

January 2002: Two dead microbiologists: Ivan Glebov and Alexi
Brushlinski

December 14, 2001: Dead microbiologist: Nguyen Van Set, 44

December 10, 2001: Dead microbiologist: "Dr. Robert Schwartz, 57

November 24, 2001: Three more dead microbiologists: Dr. Yaakov Matzner,
54, dean of the Hebrew University school of medicine; Amiramp Eldor,
59, head of the haematology department at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv
and a world-recognized expert in blood clotting; and Avishai Berkman,
50, director of the Tel Aviv public health department and businessman

November 21, 2001: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian
defector Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64

November 16, 2001: Dr. Don Wiley, 57

November 6, 2001: Jeffry Paris


Now, read the circumstances of the deaths of some of these scientists. It seems microbiology is the most dangerous occupation...


November 6, 2001: Jeffrey Paris' body was found sprawled next to a
three-story parking structure near his office. Mr. Wall, 41, had
studied at the University of California, Los Angeles. He was a
biomedical expert who held a medical degree, and he also specialized
in patent and intellectual property.
November 16, 2001: Dr. Don Wiley, 57, disappears during a business
trip to Memphis, Tennessee. He had just bought tickets to take his son
to Graceland the following day. Police found his rental car on a
bridge outside Memphis. His body was later found in the Mississippi
River. Wiley was one of the world's leading researchers of deadly
viruses, including HIV and the Ebola virus. He was an expert on the
immune system's response to viral attacks
.

November 21, 2001: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian
defector Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64, dies of a stroke. Pasechnik, who
defected to Britain in 1989, succeeded in producing an aerosolized
plague microbe that could survive outside the laboratory. He was
connected to Britain's spy agency and recently had started his own
company. "In the last few weeks of his life he had put his research on
anthrax at the disposal of the [British] Government, in the light of
the threat from bioterrorism.

November 24, 2001: Three more dead microbiologists: A Swissair flight
from Berlin to Zurich crashes during its landing approach; 22 are
killed and nine survive. Among those killed are Dr. Yaakov Matzner,
54, dean of the Hebrew University school of medicine; Amiramp Eldor,
59, head of the haematology department at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv
and a world-recognized expert in blood clotting; and Avishai Berkman,
50, director of the Tel Aviv public health department and businessman

December 10, 2001: Dead microbiologist: "Dr. Robert Schwartz, 57, was
stabbed and slashed with what police believe was a sword in his
farmhouse in Leesberg, Va. His daughter, who identifies herself as a
pagan high priestess, and three of her fellow pagans have been
charged." [Globe and Mail, 5/4/02] All were part of what they called a
coven, and interested in magic, fantasy and self-mutilation. The
police have no motive as to why they would have wanted to kill
Schwartz, who was a single parent and said to be very close to his
children. Schwartz worked at Virginia's Center for Innovative
Technology on DNA sequencing and pathogenic microorganisms.

December 14, 2001: Dead microbiologist: Nguyen Van Set, 44, dies in an
airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia. The lab
had just been written up in the journal Nature for its work in genetic
manipulation and DNA sequencing. Scientists there had created a
virulent form of mousepox. "They realized that if similar genetic
manipulation was carried out on smallpox, an unstoppable killer could
be unleashed,"

January 2002: Two dead microbiologists: Ivan Glebov and Alexi
Brushlinski. Glebov died as the result of a bandit attack and
Brushlinski was killed in Moscow. Both were well known around the
world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.

February 9, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Victor Korshunov, 56, is bashed
over the head and killed at the entrance of his home in Moscow,
Russia. He was the head of the microbiology sub-faculty at the Russian
State Medical University and an expert in intestinal bacteria.

February 11, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Dr. Ian Langford, 40, is found
dead, partially naked and wedged under a chair in his home in Norwich,
England. When found, his house was described as "blood-spattered and
apparently ransacked." He was one of Europe's leading experts on
environmental risk.

February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco: While
taking delivery of a pizza, Tanya Holzmayer, 46, is shot and killed by
a colleague, Guyang Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself.
Holzmayer moved to the US from Russia in 1989. Her research focused on
the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best
by medicine. Holzmayer was focusing on helping create new drugs that
interfere with replication of the virus that causes AIDS. One year
earlier, Holzmayer obeyed senior management orders to fire Huang.

March 24, 2002: Dead microbiologist: David Wynn-Williams, 55, is hit
by a car while jogging near his home in Cambridge, England. He was an
astrobiologist with the Antarctic Astrobiology Project and the NASA
Ames Research Center. He was studying the capability of microbes to
adapt to environmental extremes, including the bombardment of
ultraviolet rays and global warming.

March 25, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Steven Mostow, 63, dies when the
airplane he was piloting crashes near Denver, Colorado. He worked at
the Colorado Health Sciences Centre and was known as "Dr. Flu" for his
expertise in treating influenza, and expertise on bioterrorism. Mostow
was one of the country's leading infectious disease experts.

November 12 2002: Dr. Benito Que, 52, was "an expert in infectious
diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School. Police
originally suspected that he had been beaten on in a carjacking in the
medical school's parking lot. Strangely enough, though, his body
showed no signs of a beating.

June 24, 2003: Dr. Leland Rickman, a UC San Diego expert on infectious
diseases and, since Sept. 11, 2001 a consultant on bioterrorism. He
was 47. Rickman died while on a teaching assignment in Lesotho, a
small country bordered on all sides by South Africa. He had complained
of a headache, but the cause of death was not immediately known. The
physician had been working in Lesotho with Dr. Chris Mathews, director
of the UC San Diego Medical Center's Owen Clinic, teaching African
medical personnel about the prevention and treatment of AIDS.Rickman,
the incoming president of the Infectious Disease Assn. of California,
was a multidisciplinary professor and practitioner with expertise in
infectious diseases, internal medicine, epidemiology, microbiology and
antibiotic utilization

July 18, 2003: David Kelly, a British biological weapons expert, was
said to have slashed his own wrists while walking near his home. Kelly
was the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific officer and senior
adviser to the proliferation and arms control secretariat, and to the
Foreign Office's non-proliferation department. The senior adviser on
biological weapons to the UN biological weapons inspections teams
(Unscom) from 1994 to 1999, he was also, in the opinion of his peers,
pre-eminent in his field, not only in this country, but in the world.[/size]

[size=1]Before any edits, post was:
--------------------------------

Here is at least a partial list of dead microbiologists:


July 18, 2003: Dr. David Kelly, a British biological weapons expert

June 24, 2003: Dr. Leland Rickman, a UC San Diego expert on infectious
diseases

November 12 2002: Dr. Benito Que, 52, was "an expert in infectious
diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School

March 25, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Steven Mostow, 63

March 24, 2002: Dead microbiologist: David Wynn-Williams, 55

February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco,Tanya Holzmayer, 46, is shot and killed by a colleague, Guyang Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself.

February 11, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Dr. Ian Langford, 40

February 9, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Victor Korshunov, 56

January 2002: Two dead microbiologists: Ivan Glebov and Alexi
Brushlinski

December 14, 2001: Dead microbiologist: Nguyen Van Set, 44

December 10, 2001: Dead microbiologist: "Dr. Robert Schwartz, 57

November 24, 2001: Three more dead microbiologists: Dr. Yaakov Matzner,
54, dean of the Hebrew University school of medicine; Amiramp Eldor,
59, head of the haematology department at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv
and a world-recognized expert in blood clotting; and Avishai Berkman,
50, director of the Tel Aviv public health department and businessman

November 21, 2001: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian
defector Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64

November 16, 2001: Dr. Don Wiley, 57

November 6, 2001: Jeffry Paris


Now, read the circumstances of the deaths of some of these scientists. It seems microbiology is the most dangerous occupation...


November 6, 2001: Jeffrey Paris' body was found sprawled next to a
three-story parking structure near his office. Mr. Wall, 41, had
studied at the University of California, Los Angeles. He was a
biomedical expert who held a medical degree, and he also specialized
in patent and intellectual property.
November 16, 2001: Dr. Don Wiley, 57, disappears during a business
trip to Memphis, Tennessee. He had just bought tickets to take his son
to Graceland the following day. Police found his rental car on a
bridge outside Memphis. His body was later found in the Mississippi
River. Wiley was one of the world's leading researchers of deadly
viruses, including HIV and the Ebola virus. He was an expert on the
immune system's response to viral attacks
.

November 21, 2001: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian
defector Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64, dies of a stroke. Pasechnik, who
defected to Britain in 1989, succeeded in producing an aerosolized
plague microbe that could survive outside the laboratory. He was
connected to Britain's spy agency and recently had started his own
company. "In the last few weeks of his life he had put his research on
anthrax at the disposal of the [British] Government, in the light of
the threat from bioterrorism.

November 24, 2001: Three more dead microbiologists: A Swissair flight
from Berlin to Zurich crashes during its landing approach; 22 are
killed and nine survive. Among those killed are Dr. Yaakov Matzner,
54, dean of the Hebrew University school of medicine; Amiramp Eldor,
59, head of the haematology department at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv
and a world-recognized expert in blood clotting; and Avishai Berkman,
50, director of the Tel Aviv public health department and businessman

December 10, 2001: Dead microbiologist: "Dr. Robert Schwartz, 57, was
stabbed and slashed with what police believe was a sword in his
farmhouse in Leesberg, Va. His daughter, who identifies herself as a
pagan high priestess, and three of her fellow pagans have been
charged." [Globe and Mail, 5/4/02] All were part of what they called a
coven, and interested in magic, fantasy and self-mutilation. The
police have no motive as to why they would have wanted to kill
Schwartz, who was a single parent and said to be very close to his
children. Schwartz worked at Virginia's Center for Innovative
Technology on DNA sequencing and pathogenic microorganisms.

December 14, 2001: Dead microbiologist: Nguyen Van Set, 44, dies in an
airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia. The lab
had just been written up in the journal Nature for its work in genetic
manipulation and DNA sequencing. Scientists there had created a
virulent form of mousepox. "They realized that if similar genetic
manipulation was carried out on smallpox, an unstoppable killer could
be unleashed,"

January 2002: Two dead microbiologists: Ivan Glebov and Alexi
Brushlinski. Glebov died as the result of a bandit attack and
Brushlinski was killed in Moscow. Both were well known around the
world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.

February 9, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Victor Korshunov, 56, is bashed
over the head and killed at the entrance of his home in Moscow,
Russia. He was the head of the microbiology sub-faculty at the Russian
State Medical University and an expert in intestinal bacteria.

February 11, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Dr. Ian Langford, 40, is found
dead, partially naked and wedged under a chair in his home in Norwich,
England. When found, his house was described as "blood-spattered and
apparently ransacked." He was one of Europe's leading experts on
environmental risk.

February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco: While
taking delivery of a pizza, Tanya Holzmayer, 46, is shot and killed by
a colleague, Guyang Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself.
Holzmayer moved to the US from Russia in 1989. Her research focused on
the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best
by medicine. Holzmayer was focusing on helping create new drugs that
interfere with replication of the virus that causes AIDS. One year
earlier, Holzmayer obeyed senior management orders to fire Huang.

March 24, 2002: Dead microbiologist: David Wynn-Williams, 55, is hit
by a car while jogging near his home in Cambridge, England. He was an
astrobiologist with the Antarctic Astrobiology Project and the NASA
Ames Research Center. He was studying the capability of microbes to
adapt to environmental extremes, including the bombardment of
ultraviolet rays and global warming.

March 25, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Steven Mostow, 63, dies when the
airplane he was piloting crashes near Denver, Colorado. He worked at
the Colorado Health Sciences Centre and was known as "Dr. Flu" for his
expertise in treating influenza, and expertise on bioterrorism. Mostow
was one of the country's leading infectious disease experts.

November 12 2002: Dr. Benito Que, 52, was "an expert in infectious
diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School. Police
originally suspected that he had been beaten on in a carjacking in the
medical school's parking lot. Strangely enough, though, his body
showed no signs of a beating.

June 24, 2003: Dr. Leland Rickman, a UC San Diego expert on infectious
diseases and, since Sept. 11, 2001 a consultant on bioterrorism. He
was 47. Rickman died while on a teaching assignment in Lesotho, a
small country bordered on all sides by South Africa. He had complained
of a headache, but the cause of death was not immediately known. The
physician had been working in Lesotho with Dr. Chris Mathews, director
of the UC San Diego Medical Center's Owen Clinic, teaching African
medical personnel about the prevention and treatment of AIDS.Rickman,
the incoming president of the Infectious Disease Assn. of California,
was a multidisciplinary professor and practitioner with expertise in
infectious diseases, internal medicine, epidemiology, microbiology and
antibiotic utilization

July 18, 2003: David Kelly, a British biological weapons expert, was
said to have slashed his own wrists while walking near his home. Kelly
was the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific officer and senior
adviser to the proliferation and arms control secretariat, and to the
Foreign Office's non-proliferation department. The senior adviser on
biological weapons to the UN biological weapons inspections teams
(Unscom) from 1994 to 1999, he was also, in the opinion of his peers,
pre-eminent in his field, not only in this country, but in the world.[/size]

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op terzake gehoord:


vogelgriep in ons landje : makkelijk 500.000 doden, einde economie.

ik zeg: wat een 'geluk' dat al die microbiologen dood zijn, ze zouden in the heat of the battle ( lees: dieoff ) wel eens iets tegen vieze beestjes kunnen vinden.

[praha]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Firestone

Het is uiteraard eerst aan jou om aan te tonen dat:

1. Het hier om moorden gaat.
2. Dat er een statistische afwijking van het "normale" is.

Mensen hebben nu eenmaal de kwalijke neiging te sterven.
Wanneer is een dodenlijst abnormaal? Om dat te kunnen bepalen moet je de volledige relevante populatie bepalen, en dan zien of de gevonden waarden afwijken van wat normaal is.

Eenvoudig en vereenvoudigd voorbeeld (waar de getallen totaal arbitrair zijn).

Stelling: er werden in 2004 in de VS abnormaal veel bakkers vermoord.

Cijfermateriaal (verzonnen dus):
Aantal bakkers in de VS: 500000.
Aantal vermoorde bakkers: 100.
Aantal moorden in de VS: 1 per 100000 inwoners en per jaar.

"Normaal" zou men dus verwachten dat er +/- 5 bakkers vermoord werden. 10 zou nog als een normale afwijking kunnen gelden gezien de lage absolute waarden. Maar 100 is veel te veel, en geeft aan dat er "iets aan de gang is" met deze arme bakkers.

Misschien is bakker een risicoberoep, of misschien is er echt een complot tegen bakkers. Dit moet dan nader onderzocht worden.

Ziezo, Pindar, maak eens een analyse en toon ons dat er iets aan de hand is met de wetenschappers.

sorry hoor ... vuursteentje dat ik je weer eens belast met een opmerking zonder eerst al die believers eens stevig aan de tand te voelen en hun met geladen pistool tegen de slaap dwing hun verondschuldigingen te maken voor alle beledigingen tegenover jou

volstaat bv een hoge afwijking in een leeftijdspecifiek sterftecijfer in een deelpopulatie met een bepaald gemeenschappelijke eigenschap ook om te besluiten dat er misschien 'iets aan de hand kan zijn' met dat deel ?

[Firestone]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door praha

sorry hoor ... vuursteentje dat ik je weer eens belast met een opmerking zonder eerst al die believers eens stevig aan de tand te voelen en hun met geladen pistool tegen de slaap dwing hun verondschuldigingen te maken voor alle beledigingen tegenover jou

Dat je de believers niet aanpakt en hun beledigingen niet erg vindt is jouw probleem.

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door praha

volstaat bv een hoge afwijking in een leeftijdspecifiek sterftecijfer in een deelpopulatie met een bepaald gemeenschappelijke eigenschap ook om te besluiten dat er misschien 'iets aan de hand kan zijn' met dat deel ?

Toon dat dan aan, rekening houdend met andere relevante factoren (de doden in Irak bijvoorbeeld).

Merk op dat de believers weigeren in te gaan op mijn argumenten, maar wel al conclusies trekken uit deze "dodenlijsten". Bedroevend niveau, eigenlijk.[edit]
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Dat je de believers niet aanpakt en hun beledigingen niet erg vindt is jouw probleem.

Toon dat dan aan, rekening houdend met andere relevante factoren (de doden in Irak bijvoorbeeld).

Merk op dat de believers weigeren in te gaan op mijn argumenten, maar wel al conclusies trekken uit deze "dodenlijsten". Bedroevend niveau, eigenlijk.[/size]

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Dat je de believers niet aanpakt en hun beledigingen niet erg vindt is jouw probleem.

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[Lex Blanca]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Firestone

Merk op dat de believers weigeren in te gaan op mijn argumenten, maar wel al conclusies trekken uit deze "dodenlijsten". Bedroevend niveau, eigenlijk.

De meeste believers maken hier denk ik niet echt een zwaar issue van.Veralgemenen...

Het is denk ik belangrijker of het vooraanstande microbiologen zijn.Een deel van de lijst bestaat uit 7 dode microbiologen (boven al vernoemd met doodsorzaak) tussen 12 nov. 2001 en 11 feb. 2002 (3 maand dus).6 op "onnatuurlijke" wijze en 1 waar vraagtekens bij staan.


- On Nov. 12, Benito Que
- On Nov. 16, Don C. Wiley
- On Nov. 23, Vladimir Pasechnik
- On Dec. 10, Robert Schwartz
- On Dec, 11, Set Van Nguyen
- On Feb. 8, Vladimir Korshunov
- And on Feb. 11, Ian Langford

Mssn is het mogelijk dit te vgl met andere beroepen...

De lijst is veel langer (verre van compleet),maar als dit idd vooraanstaande microbiologen zijn,is het dan statistisch gezien verdacht?
Hoe weet je hoeveel microbiologen er zijn?
Is het belangrijk wat voor soort microbiologen ze zijn?
Is het belangrijk waarmee ze bezig waren op het moment van hun dood?
Als er bvb 10000 microbiologen zijn en er worden er 100 meer vermoord dan in een andere beroepstak;dan scheelt dat 0,1%-mssn beter met getallen werken dan met %?[edit]
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[size=1]After edit by Lex Blanca on 11-09-2005 at 17:46
Reason:
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De meeste believers maken hier denk ik niet echt een zwaar issue van.Veralgemenen...

Het is denk ik belangrijker of het vooraanstande microbiologen zijn.Een deel van de lijst bestaat uit 7 dode microbiologen (boven al vernoemd met doodsorzaak) tussen 12 nov. 2001 en 11 feb. 2002 (3 maand dus).6 op "onnatuurlijke" wijze en 1 waar vraagtekens bij staan.


- On Nov. 12, Benito Que
- On Nov. 16, Don C. Wiley
- On Nov. 23, Vladimir Pasechnik
- On Dec. 10, Robert Schwartz
- On Dec, 11, Set Van Nguyen
- On Feb. 8, Vladimir Korshunov
- And on Feb. 11, Ian Langford

Mssn is het mogelijk dit te vgl met andere beroepen...

De lijst is veel langer (verre van compleet),maar als dit idd vooraanstaande microbiologen zijn,is het dan statistisch gezien verdacht?
Hoe weet je hoeveel microbiologen er zijn?
Is het belangrijk wat voor soort microbiologen ze zijn?
Is het belangrijk waarmee ze bezig waren op het moment van hun dood?
Als er bvb 10000 microbiologen zijn en er worden er 100 meer vermoord dan in een andere beroepstak;dan scheelt dat 0,1%-mssn beter met getallen werken dan met %?[/size]

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[size=1]After edit by Lex Blanca on 11-09-2005 at 17:42
Reason:
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De meeste believers maken hier denk ik niet echt een zwaar issue van.Veralgemenen...

Het is denk ik belangrijker of het vooraanstande microbiologen zijn.Een deel van de lijst bestaat uit 7 dode microbiologen (boven al vernoemd met doodsorzaak) tussen 12 nov. 2001 en 11 feb. 2002 (3 maand dus).6 op "onnatuurlijke" wijze en 1 waar vraagtekens bij staan.


- On Nov. 12, Benito Que
- On Nov. 16, Don C. Wiley
- On Nov. 23, Vladimir Pasechnik
- On Dec. 10, Robert Schwartz
- On Dec, 11, Set Van Nguyen
- On Feb. 8, Vladimir Korshunov, 56, was found dead on a Moscow street.
- And on Feb. 11, Ian Langford

Mssn is het mogelijk dit te vgl met andere beroepen...

De lijst is veel langer (verre van compleet),maar als dit idd vooraanstaande microbiologen zijn,is het dan statistisch gezien verdacht?
Hoe weet je hoeveel microbiologen er zijn?
Is het belangrijk wat voor soort microbiologen ze zijn?
Is het belangrijk waarmee ze bezig waren op het moment van hun dood?
Als er bvb 10000 microbiologen zijn en er worden er 100 meer vermoord dan in een andere beroepstak;dan scheelt dat 0,1%-mssn beter met getallen werken dan met %?[/size]

[size=1]Edit:[/size]

[size=1]After edit by Lex Blanca on 11-09-2005 at 17:41
Reason:
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De meeste believers maken hier denk ik echt een zwaar issue van.Veralgemenen...

Het is denk ik belangrijker of het vooraanstande microbiologen zijn.Een deel van de lijst bestaat uit 7 dode microbiologen (boven al vernoemd met doodsorzaak) tussen 12 nov. 2001 en 11 feb. 2002 (3 maand dus).6 op "onnatuurlijke" wijze en 1 waar vraagtekens bij staan.


- On Nov. 12, Benito Que
- On Nov. 16, Don C. Wiley
- On Nov. 23, Vladimir Pasechnik
- On Dec. 10, Robert Schwartz
- On Dec, 11, Set Van Nguyen
- On Feb. 8, Vladimir Korshunov, 56, was found dead on a Moscow street.
- And on Feb. 11, Ian Langford

Mssn is het mogelijk dit te vgl met andere beroepen...

De lijst is veel langer (verre van compleet),maar als dit idd vooraanstaande microbiologen zijn,is het dan statistisch gezien verdacht?
Hoe weet je hoeveel microbiologen er zijn?
Is het belangrijk wat voor soort microbiologen ze zijn?
Is het belangrijk waarmee ze bezig waren op het moment van hun dood?
Als er bvb 10000 microbiologen zijn en er worden er 100 meer vermoord dan in een andere beroepstak;dan scheelt dat 0,1%-mssn beter met getallen werken dan met %?[/size]

[size=1]Edit:[/size]

[size=1]After edit by Lex Blanca on 11-09-2005 at 17:40
Reason:
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De meeste believers maken hier denk ik echt een zwaar issue van.Veralgemenen...

Het is denk ik belangrijker of het vooraanstande microbiologen zijn.Een deel van de lijst bestaat uit 7 dode microbiologen (boven al vernoemd met doodsorzaak) tussen 12 nov. en 11 feb. (3 maand dus).6 op "onnatuurlijke" wijze en 1 waar vraagtekens bij staan.


- On Nov. 12, Benito Que
- On Nov. 16, Don C. Wiley
- On Nov. 23, Vladimir Pasechnik
- On Dec. 10, Robert Schwartz
- On Dec, 11, Set Van Nguyen
- On Feb. 8, Vladimir Korshunov, 56, was found dead on a Moscow street.
- And on Feb. 11, Ian Langford

Mssn is het mogelijk dit te vgl met andere beroepen...

De lijst is veel langer,maar als dit idd vooraanstaande microbiologen zijn,is het dan statistisch gezien verdacht?
Hoe weet je hoeveel microbiologen er zijn?
Is het belangrijk wat voor soort microbiologen ze zijn?
Is het belangrijk waarmee ze bezig waren op het moment van hun dood?
Als er bvb 10000 microbiologen zijn en er worden er 100 meer vermoord dan in een andere beroepstak;dan scheelt dat 0,1%-mssn beter met getallen werken dan met %?[/size]

[size=1]Before any edits, post was:
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Het is denk ik belangrijker of het vooraanstande microbiologen zijn.Een deel van de lijst bestaat uit 7 dode microbiologen (boven al vernoemd met doodsorzaak) tussen 12 nov. en 11 feb. (3 maand dus).6 op "onnatuurlijke" wijze en 1 waar vraagtekens bij staan.


- On Nov. 12, Benito Que
- On Nov. 16, Don C. Wiley
- On Nov. 23, Vladimir Pasechnik
- On Dec. 10, Robert Schwartz
- On Dec, 11, Set Van Nguyen
- On Feb. 8, Vladimir Korshunov, 56, was found dead on a Moscow street.
- And on Feb. 11, Ian Langford

Mssn is het mogelijk dit te vgl met andere beroepen...

De lijst is veel langer,maar als dit idd vooraanstaande microbiologen zijn,is het dan statistisch gezien verdacht?
Hoe weet je hoeveel microbiologen er zijn?
Is het belangrijk wat voor soort microbiologen ze zijn?
Is het belangrijk waarmee ze bezig waren op het moment van hun dood?
Als er bvb 10000 microbiologen zijn en er worden er 100 meer vermoord dan in een andere beroepstak;dan scheelt dat 0,1%-mssn beter met getallen werken dan met %?[/size]

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