Europa moet islam ultimatum stellen!

[hotschizodiscocop]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door liberalist_NL

Een koude klots water tegen je gezicht helpt misschien.

Waarom zou ik dat doen? Ik mag toch kritisch denken.

[liberalist_NL]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door hotschizodiscocop

Waarom zou ik dat doen? Ik mag toch kritisch denken.

Zeer zeker, maar u zei dat u schizofrene neigingen had. Een verfrissing kan je erbij houden.

[hotschizodiscocop]

Die schizofrene neigingen zijn dan wel het gevolg van kritische reflectie en dat hou ik er graag bij.

[liberalist_NL]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door hotschizodiscocop

Die schizofrene neigingen zijn dan wel het gevolg van kritische reflectie en dat hou ik er graag bij.

Lijkt me best wel leuk. Ik heb doorgaans paddestoelen nodig voor zo'n effect.

[Lincoln]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door liberalist_NL

Neen, het is een goed staaltje van de voordelen afwegen tegen de nadelen, zonder iets immoreels te doen. Het heet having your cake, and eating it too.

Zoals bush dat gedaan heeft eh ?

[hotschizodiscocop]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door liberalist_NL

Lijkt me best wel leuk. Ik heb doorgaans paddestoelen nodig voor zo'n effect.

Ik had het niet over hallucinaties. Had het eerder over "spirituele schizofrenie".

[liberalist_NL]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door hotschizodiscocop

Ik had het niet over hallucinaties. Had het eerder over "spirituele schizofrenie".

Wat is het verschil?

[liberalist_NL]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Lincoln

Zoals bush dat gedaan heeft eh ?

Bush heeft helemaal niet gekregen wat hij wou. En zijn redenen waren ook al nergens op gebaseerd. Niet echt te vergelijken.

Bovendien, ook een hele hoop slachtoffers. En nauwelijks echte slechteriken gepakt.

[hotschizodiscocop]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door liberalist_NL

Wat is het verschil?

Hallucinaties zijn organische verschijnsels. Spirituele schizofrenie gaat eerder over persoonlijkheid in de psychologische zin van het woord. Heeft niks met hersenen of drugs te maken.

[Jozef Ostyn]

Ultimatums kunnen zo contraproductief werken. Vraag het maar aan Nelly Maes.

[liberalist_NL]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door hotschizodiscocop

Hallucinaties zijn organische verschijnsels. Spirituele schizofrenie gaat eerder over persoonlijkheid in de psychologische zin van het woord. Heeft niks met hersenen of drugs te maken.

Schizofrenie is een syndroom, een aandoening. Laten we het houden bij spiritualiteit dan.

[hotschizodiscocop]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door liberalist_NL

Schizofrenie is een syndroom, een aandoening. Laten we het houden bij spiritualiteit dan.

Schizofrenie is gewoon een uitvinding van het psychiatrisch establishment.

[lantjes]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Lincoln

U hebt geen god nodig om te doden, kijk maar naar uzelf die pleit om mekka te bombarderen !

Eerst zien dan geloven, in deze draad heb ik al gezien/vernomen hoe haatzuchtig een mens kan zijn, in dit geval een forumlid die zich liberaal noemt en tegelijk pleit voor het bombarderen van mekka, wat uitkomt tot miljoenen onschuldige slachtoffers !


Dit is wat de koran zegt, indien je zou terug krabben !;

Meteen maar weer met het heilig vodje staan zwieren. Heb je het nog niet door dat uw boekje en al wat er bij hoort ons nog minder kan schelen dan een schaap haar achterste?

[Lincoln]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door lantjes

Meteen maar weer met het heilig vodje staan zwieren. Heb je het nog niet door dat uw boekje en al wat er bij hoort ons nog minder kan schelen dan een schaap haar achterste?

039.006
YUSUFALI: He created you (all) from a single person: then created, of like nature, his mate; and he sent down for you eight head of cattle in pairs: He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness. such is Allah, your Lord and Cherisher: to Him belongs (all) dominion. There is no god but He: then how are ye turned away (from your true Centre)?
PICKTHAL: He created you from one being, then from that (being) He made its mate; and He hath provided for you of cattle eight kinds. He created you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation, in a threefold gloom. Such is Allah, your Lord. His is the Sovereignty. There is no Allah save Him. How then are ye turned away?
SHAKIR: He has created you from a single being, then made its mate of the same (kind), and He has made for you eight of the cattle in pairs. He creates you in the wombs of your mothers-- a creation after a creation-- in triple darkness; that is Allah your Lord, His is the kingdom; there is no god but He; whence are you then turned away?

039.007
YUSUFALI: If ye reject (Allah), Truly Allah hath no need of you; but He liketh not ingratitude from His servants: if ye are grateful, He is pleased with you. No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. In the end, to your Lord is your Return, when He will tell you the truth of all that ye did (in this life). for He knoweth well all that is in (men's) hearts.
PICKTHAL: If ye are thankless, yet Allah is Independent of you, though He is not pleased with thanklessness for His bondmen; and if ye are thankful He is pleased therewith for you. No laden soul will bear another's load. Then unto your Lord is your return; and He will tell you what ye used to do. Lo! He knoweth what is in the breasts (of men).
SHAKIR: If you are ungrateful, then surely Allah is Self-sufficient above all need of you; and He does not like ungratefulness in His servants; and if you are grateful, He likes it in you; and no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another; then to your Lord is your return, then will He inform you of what you did; surely He is Cognizant of what is in the breasts.

[lantjes]

je valt in herhaling....of in streektaal, Uw plaat blijft hangen.

[Texas Ranger]

Inderdaad, die hele Koran-santenboetiek is niets meer dan een geplagieerde Bijbel (zelf konden ze niet veel bedenken natuurlijk) waar ze vanalles hebben tussen gestopt dat hen toevallig goed uitkomt. 1 zwaardvechter (de Mohammed) kreeg hem in het oor gesfluisterd rechtstreeks door God (Allah) zonder dat daar getuigen bij waren. Hij komt vervolgens uit zijn tent en roept naar iedereen die het horen wilde: Luister hier mensen, dit alles kreeg ik van God gedicteerd, m.a.w. IK ben het instrument van God dus voortaan gaan jullie allemaal braaf naar mij luisteren... Kortom, truken van de foor uit de koker van een bloeddorstige machtsgeile politicus!

Het verschil met Jezus (de echte Heilige en Zoon van God, wat de Koran betwist natuurlijk omdat de veel te aardse Mohammed zich niet met die titel kon kronen) is overduidelijk: tientallen tijdgenoten legden onafhankelijk van mekaar getuigenis af van Zijn wonderen en vervolgens stierf Hij vrijwillig voor onze zonden de Kruisdood, waarna hij verrees. Niets van dat alles bij de Mo die gewoon stierf als een ordinaire vent, weliswaar met een bebloed kromzwaard in zijn handen.

Beseffen jullie nu dat heel die koran 1 grote oplichterspraktijk was? Die Mo was gewoon de Bhagwan van zijn tijd, een dikke schijn (schijt) profeet die iedereen een rad vor ogen draaide om zoveel mogelijk gebied te veroveren en te onderwerpen aan zijn heerschappij...

[Lincoln]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Texas Ranger

Inderdaad, die hele Koran-santenboetiek is niets meer dan een geplagieerde Bijbel (zelf konden ze niet veel bedenken natuurlijk) waar ze vanalles hebben tussen gestopt dat hen toevallig goed uitkomt. 1 zwaardvechter (de Mohammed) kreeg hem in het oor gesfluisterd rechtstreeks door God (Allah) zonder dat daar getuigen bij waren. Hij komt vervolgens uit zijn tent en roept naar iedereen die het horen wilde: Luister hier mensen, dit alles kreeg ik van God gedicteerd, m.a.w. IK ben het instrument van God dus voortaan gaan jullie allemaal braaf naar mij luisteren... Kortom, truken van de foor uit de koker van een bloeddorstige machtsgeile politicus!

Het verschil met Jezus (de echte Heilige en Zoon van God, wat de Koran betwist natuurlijk omdat de veel te aardse Mohammed zich niet met die titel kon kronen) is overduidelijk: tientallen tijdgenoten legden onafhankelijk van mekaar getuigenis af van Zijn wonderen en vervolgens stierf Hij vrijwillig voor onze zonden de Kruisdood, waarna hij verrees. Niets van dat alles bij de Mo die gewoon stierf als een ordinaire vent, weliswaar met een bebloed kromzwaard in zijn handen.

Beseffen jullie nu dat heel die koran 1 grote oplichterspraktijk was? Die Mo was gewoon de Bhagwan van zijn tijd, een dikke schijn (schijt) profeet die iedereen een rad vor ogen draaide om zoveel mogelijk gebied te veroveren en te onderwerpen aan zijn heerschappij...

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.


012.001
YUSUFALI: A.L.R. These are the symbols (or Verses) of the perspicuous Book.
PICKTHAL: Alif. Lam. Ra. These are verse of the Scripture that maketh plain.
SHAKIR: Alif Lam Ra. These are the verses of the Book that makes (things) manifest.

012.002
YUSUFALI: We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an, in order that ye may learn wisdom.
PICKTHAL: Lo! We have revealed it, a Lecture in Arabic, that ye may understand.
SHAKIR: Surely We have revealed it-- an Arabic Quran-- that you may understand.
012.003
YUSUFALI: We do relate unto thee the most beautiful of stories, in that We reveal to thee this (portion of the) Qur'an: before this, thou too was among those who knew it not.
PICKTHAL: We narrate unto thee (Muhammad) the best of narratives in that We have inspired in thee this Qur'an, though aforetime thou wast of the heedless.
SHAKIR: We narrate to you the best of narratives, by Our revealing to you this Quran, though before this you were certainly one of those who did not know.

012.004
YUSUFALI: Behold! Joseph said to his father: "O my father! I did see eleven stars and the sun and the moon: I saw them prostrate themselves to me!"
PICKTHAL: When Joseph said unto his father: O my father! Lo! I saw in a dream eleven planets and the sun and the moon, I saw them prostrating themselves unto me.
SHAKIR: When Yusuf said to his father: O my father! surely I saw eleven stars and the sun and the moon-- I saw them making obeisance to me.

012.005
YUSUFALI: Said (the father): "My (dear) little son! relate not thy vision to thy brothers, lest they concoct a plot against thee: for Satan is to man an avowed enemy!
PICKTHAL: He said: O my dear son! Tell not thy brethren of thy vision, lest they plot a plot against thee. Lo! Satan is for man an open foe.
SHAKIR: He said: O my son! do not relate your vision to your brothers, lest they devise a plan against you; surely the Shaitan is an open enemy to man.

012.006
YUSUFALI: "Thus will thy Lord choose thee and teach thee the interpretation of stories (and events) and perfect His favour to thee and to the posterity of Jacob - even as He perfected it to thy fathers Abraham and Isaac aforetime! for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom."
PICKTHAL: Thus thy Lord will prefer thee and will teach thee the interpretation of events, and will perfect His grace upon thee and upon the family of Jacob as He perfected it upon thy forefathers, Abraham and Isaac. Lo! thy Lord is Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: And thus will your Lord choose you and teach you the interpretation of sayings and make His favor complete to you and to the children of Yaqoub, as He made it complete before to your fathers, Ibrahim and Ishaq; surely your Lord is Knowing, Wise.

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

002.001
YUSUFALI: A.L.M.
PICKTHAL: Alif. Lam. Mim.
SHAKIR: Alif Lam Mim.

002.002
YUSUFALI: This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
PICKTHAL: This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).
SHAKIR: This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who guard (against evil).
002.003
YUSUFALI: Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
PICKTHAL: Who believe in the Unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;
SHAKIR: Those who believe in the unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them.

002.004
YUSUFALI: And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
PICKTHAL: And who believe in that which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was revealed before thee, and are certain of the Hereafter.
SHAKIR: And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are sure of the hereafter.

002.005
YUSUFALI: They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
PICKTHAL: These depend on guidance from their Lord. These are the successful.
SHAKIR: These are on a right course from their Lord and these it is that shall be successful.

002.006
YUSUFALI: As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.
PICKTHAL: As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
SHAKIR: Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.

002.007
YUSUFALI: Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
PICKTHAL: Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.
SHAKIR: Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

025.001
YUSUFALI: Blessed is He who sent down the criterion to His servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures;-
PICKTHAL: Blessed is He Who hath revealed unto His slave the Criterion (of right and wrong), that he may be a warner to the peoples.
SHAKIR: Blessed is He Who sent down the Furqan upon His servant that he may be a warner to the nations;
025.002
YUSUFALI: He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: no son has He begotten, nor has He a partner in His dominion: it is He who created all things, and ordered them in due proportions.
PICKTHAL: He unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, He hath chosen no son nor hath He any partner in the Sovereignty. He hath created everything and hath meted out for it a measure.
SHAKIR: He, Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and Who did not take to Himself a son, and Who has no associate in the kingdom, and Who created everything, then ordained for it a measure.

025.003
YUSUFALI: Yet have they taken, besides him, gods that can create nothing but are themselves created; that have no control of hurt or good to themselves; nor can they control death nor life nor resurrection.
PICKTHAL: Yet they choose beside Him other gods who create naught but are themselves created, and possess not hurt nor profit for themselves, and possess not death nor life, nor power to raise the dead.
SHAKIR: And they have taken besides Him gods, who do not create anything while they are themselves created, and they control not for themselves any harm or profit, and they control not death nor life, nor raising (the dead) to life.

025.004
YUSUFALI: But the misbelievers say: "Naught is this but a lie which he has forged, and others have helped him at it." In truth it is they who have put forward an iniquity and a falsehood.
PICKTHAL: Those who disbelieve say: This is naught but a lie that he hath invented, and other folk have helped him with it, so that they have produced a slander and a lie.
SHAKIR: And those who disbelieve say: This is nothing but a lie which he has forged, and other people have helped him at it; so indeed they have done injustice and (uttered) a falsehood.

025.005
YUSUFALI: And they say: "Tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written: and they are dictated before him morning and evening."
PICKTHAL: And they say: Fables of the men of old which he hath had written down so that they are dictated to him morn and evening.
SHAKIR: And they say: The stories of the ancients-- he has got them written-- so these are read out to him morning and evening.

025.006
YUSUFALI: Say: "The (Qur'an) was sent down by Him who knows the mystery (that is) in the heavens and the earth: verily He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
PICKTHAL: Say (unto them, O Muhammad): He who knoweth the secret of the heavens and the earth hath revealed it. Lo! He ever is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: Say: He has revealed it Who knows the secret in the heavens and the earth; surely He is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

025.007
YUSUFALI: And they say: "What sort of a messenger is this, who eats food, and walks through the streets? Why has not an angel been sent down to him to give admonition with him?
PICKTHAL: And they say: What aileth this messenger (of Allah) that he eateth food and walketh in the markets? Why is not an angel sent down unto him, to be a warner with him.
SHAKIR: And they say: What is the matter with this Messenger that he eats food and goes about in the markets; why has not an angel been sent down to him, so that he should have been a warner with him?

025.008
YUSUFALI: "Or (Why) has not a treasure been bestowed on him, or why has he (not) a garden for enjoyment?" The wicked say: "Ye follow none other than a man bewitched."
PICKTHAL: Or (why is not) treasure thrown down unto him, or why hath he not a paradise from whence to eat? And the evil-doers say: Ye are but following a man bewitched.
SHAKIR: Or (why is not) a treasure sent down to him, or he is made to have a garden from which he should eat? And the unjust say: You do not follow any but a man deprived of reason.

025.009
YUSUFALI: See what kinds of comparisons they make for thee! But they have gone astray, and never a way will they be able to find!
PICKTHAL: See how they coin similitudes for thee, so that they are all astray and cannot find a road!
SHAKIR: See what likenesses do they apply to you, so they have gone astray, therefore they shall not be able to find a way.

025.010
YUSUFALI: Blessed is He who, if that were His will, could give thee better (things) than those,- Gardens beneath which rivers flow; and He could give thee palaces (secure to dwell in).
PICKTHAL: Blessed is He Who, if He will, will assign thee better than (all) that - Gardens underneath which rivers flow - and will assign thee mansions.
SHAKIR: Blessed is He Who, if He please, will give you what is better than this, gardens beneath which rivers flow, and He will give you palaces.

025.011
YUSUFALI: Nay they deny the hour (of the judgment to come): but We have prepared a blazing fire for such as deny the hour:
PICKTHAL: Nay, but they deny (the coming of) the Hour, and for those who deny (the coming of) the Hour We have prepared a flame.
SHAKIR: But they reject the hour, and We have prepared a burning fire for him who rejects the hour.

025.012
YUSUFALI: When it sees them from a place fAr off, they will hear its fury and its ranging sigh.
PICKTHAL: When it seeth them from afar, they hear the crackling and the roar thereof.
SHAKIR: When it shall come into their sight from a distant place, they shall hear its vehement raging and roaring.

025.013
YUSUFALI: And when they are cast, bound together into a constricted place therein, they will pLead for destruction there and then!
PICKTHAL: And when they are flung into a narrow place thereof, chained together, they pray for destruction there.
SHAKIR: And when they are cast into a narrow place in it, bound, they shall there call out for destruction.

025.014
YUSUFALI: "This day plead not for a single destruction: plead for destruction oft-repeated!"
PICKTHAL: Pray not that day for one destruction, but pray for many destructions!
SHAKIR: Call not this day for one destruction, but call for destructions many.

025.015
YUSUFALI: Say: "Is that best, or the eternal garden, promised to the righteous? for them, that is a reward as well as a goal (of attainment).
PICKTHAL: Say: Is that (doom) better or the Garden of Immortality which is promised unto those who ward off (evil)? It will be their reward and journey's end.
SHAKIR: Say: Is this better or the abiding garden which those who guard (against evil) are promised? That shall be a reward and a resort for them.

[Texas Ranger]

Moet ik dit uitprinten en als toiletpapier gebruiken soms?

[Lincoln]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door lantjes

je valt in herhaling....of in streektaal, Uw plaat blijft hangen.

012.108
YUSUFALI: Say thou: "This is my way: I do invite unto Allah,- on evidence clear as the seeing with one's eyes,- I and whoever follows me. Glory to Allah! and never will I join gods with Allah!"
PICKTHAL: Say: This is my Way: I call on Allah with sure knowledge. I and whosoever followeth me - Glory be to Allah! - and I am not of the idolaters.
SHAKIR: Say: This is my way: I call to Allah, I and those who follow me being certain, and glory be to Allah, and I am not one of the polytheists. 012.109
YUSUFALI: Nor did We send before thee (as messengers) any but men, whom we did inspire,- (men) living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand?
PICKTHAL: We sent not before thee (any messengers) save men whom We inspired from among the folk of the townships - Have they not travelled in the land and seen the nature of the consequence for those who were before them? And verily the abode of the Hereafter, for those who ward off (evil), is best. Have ye then no sense? -
SHAKIR: And We have not sent before you but men from (among) the people of the towns, to whom We sent revelations. Have they not then travelled in the land and seen what was the end of those before them? And certainly the abode of the hereafter is best for those who guard (against evil); do you not then understand?

012.110

[Lincoln]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Texas Ranger

Moet ik dit uitprinten en als toiletpapier gebruiken soms?

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.





096.001
YUSUFALI: Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
PICKTHAL: Read: In the name of thy Lord Who createth,
SHAKIR: Read in the name of your Lord Who created.

096.002
YUSUFALI: Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:
PICKTHAL: Createth man from a clot.
SHAKIR: He created man from a clot.

096.003
YUSUFALI: Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,-
PICKTHAL: Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous,
SHAKIR: Read and your Lord is Most Honorable,

096.004
YUSUFALI: He Who taught (the use of) the pen,-
PICKTHAL: Who teacheth by the pen,
SHAKIR: Who taught (to write) with the pen

096.005
YUSUFALI: Taught man that which he knew not.
PICKTHAL: Teacheth man that which he knew not.
SHAKIR: Taught man what he knew not.