De grote 9/11 topic

[exodus]

Een vader van een 9/11 slachtoffer heeft aan de London independent gezegd dat hij overtuigt is dat 9/11 een inside job is, en dat de truuk van te zeggen dat diegen die in 9/11 inside job geloven "dansen op de graven van de 9/11 slachtoffers", bullshit is.

Father Of 9/11 Victim Says Government Ran Attack As Media Hit Pieces Continue

Emotional shell game accusation of 'disgracing victim's memories' doesn't jive anymore

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | September 4 2006

Another 9/11 family member has gone public to rubbish the conspiracy theory that the attacks were planned and executed by nineteen incompetent Arabs with box cutters who were getting drunk in a strip club the night before and barely even made it to the airport on time. Meanwhile, hit pieces against the 9/11 truth movement continue in the lead up to the fifth anniversary of the event.

A familiar emotional shell game on the part of the debunkers is to proclaim that questioning any aspect of 9/11 disgraces the memory of the victims. This tactic is clearly not working anymore especially in light of the fact that Bill Doyle, representative of the largest group of 9/11 family members - says that half now completely distrust the official version of events.

Bob McIlvaine's son Bobby was working for Merrill Lynch in the 103rd floor of the south tower when Flight 175 struck. He was likely one of the unfortunate individuals who obeyed the Port Authority's ridiculous order for workers to stay in the building and not evacuate even after Flight 11 had ploughed into the north tower.

McIlvaine is convinced that the attacks were an inside job orchestrated by elements within the US government.

"Today, there are no ifs or buts in my mind that this was an inside job. The US government orchestrated it with the help of MI6 and Pakistan and Mossad. What they are telling us is bullshit. The hijackers were patsies and Osama bin Laden was set up," McIlvaine told the London Independent.

McIlvaine has since devoted his life to educating others on what really happened on 9/11.

Despite the best efforts of Jewish American Adam Yehiye Gadahn to propagandize the reality of the Al-Qaeda myth, Americans are becoming increasingly skeptical of 9/11 and if the recent rash of hit pieces against the 9/11 truth movement are anything to go by, the establishment is stricken with concern.

There were another two major 9/11 semi-debunking pieces over the weekend, one in the San Francisco Chronicle and one in Reuters. Expect a deluge of them for the next two weeks as the five year anniversary comes to pass.

The most incongruous sentence from the Chronicle piece is where CIA involvement in 9/11 is characterized as "the epitome of preposterous beliefs that start with a conclusion and work backward to find evidence."

Wasn't it media talking heads and government officials in the hours after the attacks who were reading off the same script and ascribing blame to Bin Laden with no substantiating evidence? Did they then not present alleged "evidence" to work backward to the already pre-determined conclusion?So-called evidence that is insufficient to federally indict Bin Laden for involvement in 9/11 five years after the attack - despite the fact that it took less than three months to indict him for the 1998 embassy bombings.

[democratsteve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door colargo

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Daarboven was een enorme vuurhaard met sterke wind, als de constructie het begeeft dan is het zo ver. En kan het idd als een kaarthuisje in elkaar vallen,

Neen, neen, neen.
ALS de constructie het al zou "begeven", dan zou het gebouw NIET als een kaartenhuisje "in elkaar" zijn gevallen, maar zou het zijn "omgevallen".
Met heelder verdiepingen nog intact.
Als eens foto's bekenen van hoge gebouwen die op een "natuurlijke" wijze zijn neergekomen?

[Heftruck]

Toch wel leuk hoe dezelfde mensen die de believers beschuldigen van pseudowetenschap vaak de eersten zijn om een alternatieve theorie in elkaar te flansen en die dan als waarheid te aanzien.

[democratsteve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door praha

mag ik je erop wijzen dat dat de meest normale zaak is en dat google wat dat betreft op niet veel trekt

Trust me me friend, dat is NIET de normaalste zaak van de wereld.

daar zeg je zowat ... hoe komen die sites dan aan hun info... niet meteen van google dus tenzij het weerom "conspiracysites" zijn

Heu??? Waar halen zij hun BEELDEN bedoel je?
Allemaal die dag recorded door de GROTE mainstream-media!!!
(om nadien NOOIT meer herhaald te worden!!)
Geloof je me niet? Zoek dan zelfs maar eens bij CNN, CBS, ABC etc.... naar één Close up videofragment van de instortende torens.
Nu eens eerlijke vraag. CNN is praktisch de grootste nieuwzender ter wereld.
En 9/11 is de grootste terreur aanslag in de geschiedenis.
Vind jij het dan normaal dat in hun archief bijna niks aan beeldmateriaal te vinden is? (terwijl er honderden live beelden zijn van die dag.
Hell, je vind via de officiele kanalen en hun archieven meer live- béélden van de 2é wereldorlog dan van 9/11!!
Vindt u dat alles normaal??
Kijk, dat ze nu over het optreden van de FBI, CIA en Norad enzo "geheimzinnig" doen, dat zou ik nog kunnen begrijpen.
Maar de instorting van die torens was toch een louter technish fenomeen, waarvoor NOOIT de overheid de schuld zou kunnen krijgen.
Dus waarom al die geheimzinnigheid rond de "instortingen" van die gebouwen?

[democratsteve]

Da's eentje om uit te knippen voor m'n vriendin.
(en ook wel parci). De twee bij uitstek die nòòit willen vertrekken vanuit de officiele theorie (en kijken wat daar allemaal aan scheelt) maar liever één van de drieduizend circulerende conspiracytheories willen "bespreken".

The most incongruous sentence from the Chronicle piece is where CIA involvement in 9/11 is characterized as "the epitome of preposterous beliefs that start with a conclusion and work backward to find evidence."

[b]Wasn't it media talking heads and government officials in the hours after the attacks who were reading off the same script and ascribing blame to Bin Laden with no substantiating evidence? Did they then not present alleged "evidence" to work backward to the already pre-determined conclusion?[/B]So-called evidence that is insufficient to federally indict Bin Laden for involvement in 9/11 five years after the attack - despite the fact that it took less than three months to indict him for the 1998 embassy bombings.

[Ploertendoder]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Heftruck

Beetje dramatisch, niet?

Ik heb die foto nog eens goed bekeken en het lijkt erop alsof tot aan het 18de verdiep bijna den halve gevel langs de zuidkant eraf geslagen is. Toch wel serieuze structurele damage zou ik zeggen. Komt qua plaats ook goed overeen met de grote pluim van puin en stof die van de north tower tegen WTC 7 is gekletst.

Dan krijgen we ineens wel een ander verhaal.

[parcifal]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door democratsteve

Da's eentje om uit te knippen voor m'n vriendin.
(en ook wel parci). De twee bij uitstek die nòòit willen vertrekken vanuit de officiele theorie (en kijken wat daar allemaal aan scheelt) maar liever één van de drieduizend circulerende conspiracytheories willen "bespreken".

The most incongruous sentence from the Chronicle piece is where CIA involvement in 9/11 is characterized as "the epitome of preposterous beliefs that start with a conclusion and work backward to find evidence."

[b]Wasn't it media talking heads and government officials in the hours after the attacks who were reading off the same script and ascribing blame to Bin Laden with no substantiating evidence? Did they then not present alleged "evidence" to work backward to the already pre-determined conclusion?[/B]So-called evidence that is insufficient to federally indict Bin Laden for involvement in 9/11 five years after the attack - despite the fact that it took less than three months to indict him for the 1998 embassy bombings.

Ik wacht in feite op een verderzetting van je discussie met TomB.
Die vroeg toch om aan te duiden met pagina en alinea waar je problemen waren met de NIST-verslagen?
Dat was nu eens een fundamentele discussie gebaseerd op feitelijke en officiele documenten.
Helaas ben je daar nog niet op doorgegaan.

[parcifal]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Ploertendoder

Ik heb die foto nog eens goed bekeken en het lijkt erop alsof tot aan het 18de verdiep bijna den halve gevel langs de zuidkant eraf geslagen is. Toch wel serieuze structurele damage zou ik zeggen. Komt qua plaats ook goed overeen met de grote pluim van puin en stof die van de north tower tegen WTC 7 is gekletst.

Dan krijgen we ineens wel een ander verhaal.

Dus je acht een instorting van wtc7 volgens de officiele theorie nu wel mogelijk :
Een combinatie van brand/ structurele schade/ bouwtechniek?

[exodus]

Het is vooral de manier waarop hij ingestort is dat duidt op gecontrolleerde demolitie.

[Pindar]

Mooie mooie lijst!!

150+ 9/11 'Smoking Guns' Found in the Mainstream Media






PLANNED BEFORE, FUTURE IDEAS...

1962 - US military drafted 'Operation Northwoods' plan to commit terror in US cities and kill innocent Americans to trick public into supporting war against Cuba. (ABC)

March '01, X-Files spin off show depicts US plot to hijack a Boeing 727 and crash it into WTC to blame foreign terrorists to provoke war. (FOX)



PREPARATION...

'99, NORAD starts conducting exercises in which airplanes are hijacked and crashed into targets which include the WTC and Pentagon. (USA Today)

Oct. '00, Pentagon conducts emergency training exercises of a mock passenger plane crash into the Pentagon. (Army)

April '01, NORAD requested a war games event of having a terrorist group hijack a commercial airline and fly it into the Pentagon. (Boston Globe)

Aug '01, Raytheon and US Air Force successfully land pilot-less Boeing 727 using military GPS landing system that enables ground control to take control of hijacked plane. (Der Spiegel, Raytheon)

Sept. '01, 25,000 British troops ensemble in Oman near Afghanistan for Operation Swift Sword and will help US in attacking OBL. (BBC, Telegraph)

US pulls the plug on Muslim websites days before 9/11. (Guardian)

Sept. 7, Jeb Bush puts the FL National Guard on alert. (MyFlorida.com, WorldNetDaily)

FEMA rescuer says he was deployed to NYC night before 9/11. (CBS video)

FEMA was scheduled to participate in an attack drill in NYC the day after 9/11. (9/11 Commission, NYC.gov)

Sept. 11, Fort Belvoir near the Pentagon was conducting an exercise to test the security at the base in case of a terrorist attack. (Connection Newspapers)

Sept 11, an airport emergency operations exercise is being conducted at Fort Myer, a mile from the Pentagon. (MDW, DC Military)

PRIOR KNOWLEDGE...

Attorney General John Ashcroft stops flying commercial aircrafts three months before 9/11. (CBS)

Sept. 3, author Salman Rushdie given US air ban. (Ananova)

Sept. 4, an Israeli owned shipping company moves out of the WTC. (Virginian-Pilot, Real Estate Weekly)

Sept. 8, Marine Aviation group moves further away from where explosion at the Pentagon will happen. (Leatherneck)

Sept. 10, group of top Pentagon officials canceled travel plans for next morning because of security concerns. (Newsweek)

San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives travel warning eight hours before attacks. (SF Chronicle)

Employees at Israeli instant messaging company received text message warnings about attacks 2 hours prior. (Haaretz, Washington Post)

Rumsfeld predicts terrorist attack in US 2 minutes before 1st WTC plane crash (Fayetteville Observer) and later predicts Pentagon crash minutes prior. (Telegraph)

White House staff given Cipro on 9/11, full month before first cases of anthrax reported. (Washington Post)

DECOYING, STAND DOWN...

Sept. 9, NORAD conducts operation "Northern Vigilance," planned months in advance, which deploys fighter jets to the Alaskan region. (NORAD, Toronto Star)

Three F-16 jetfighters from Andrews AFB, 15 miles from Pentagon, are flown 180 miles away for training mission morning of 9/11. (Aviation Week)

Andrews AFB, home to DC Air National Guard and Air Force 1 & 2, had no jetfighters on alert on 9/11. (Newsday, USA Today)

US intel agency planned exercise to simulate plane crash into government building morning of 9/11. (Boston Globe, USA Today)

NORAD was running war game called 'Vigilant Guardian' in which the commander in charge thought first hijacking was "part of the exercise." (Aviation Week, New York Observer)

FAA bans takeoffs at 9:26 am for all civilian, military, or law enforcement aircraft (FAA, Time)

Shootdown authorization was not communicated to NORAD until 28 minutes after Flight 93 crashed. (9/11 Commission, Seattle Post)

Rumsfeld, Gen. Myers confirm there were total of four wargames on 9/11 from Rep. McKinney questioning. (C-SPAN)

WTC ATTACK...

WTC landlord leased the entire WTC complex 6 six weeks before the attacks. (CBS, Washington Times)

WTC officials recently took steps to secure towers against aerial attacks by installing bulletproof windows and fireproof doors in the 22nd-floor computer command center (Newsday)

Two week heightened security alert at WTC is lifted and bomb-sniffing dogs are abruptly removed days before 9/11. (Newsday)

Occupant in WTC says weeks before attacks they had "unusual" amount of evacuations from WTC and says he thinks "they had an inkling something was going on." (People)

6:47am, WTC 7's fire alarm is placed on an 8 hr TEST mode which any alarms received are ignored. (NIST)

Basement worker of North WTC North hears explosion below him, then a rumble above him, then saw severely burnt man come out of basement elevator. (CNN)

CEO from South WTC is invited to early morning charity event at Offutt AFB hosted by billionaire Warren Buffett and is escorted to TV by military officers and sees 2nd plane crash into her offices. (Forbes, SF Business Times)

A missile was reportedly launched from the Woolworth Building near the WTC. (NIST, WNBC, NY Daily)

Rudy Giuliani says he was told South WTC was going to collapse. (ABC video)

WTC landlord says he gets a call from a fire chief about the WTC 7 and he recommends to him to "pull it" and after they "decided to pull," they all watched the 7 collapse. (PBS video)

Four WTC rescuers say they were waited around for WTC 7 to collapse. (New York Times)

The collapse of the 47 story WTC 7 skyscraper hardly gets any media attention. (New York Times)

WTC 7 becomes first steel high-rise building in history to collapse solely from an alleged fire. (Chicago Tribune, Stanford Report)

Passport is found belonging to alleged hijacker who's plane crashed into WTC. (CNN)

Company hired to help clean up Ground Zero is control demolition experts, Controlled Demolition Inc. (Waste Age)

FEMA report concludes specifics of WTC 7 fires and how they caused it to collapse remain unknown and call for further investigation. (FEMA)

WTC surveillance tapes missing. (Fort Wayne Sentinel)

Preliminary tests show steel quality did not contribute to twin towers' collapse. (Boston Globe, Pittsburg Live)

Fire in 56-story Venezuelan skyscraper spreads over 26 floors and burns for over 17 hours, but does not collapse. (CBS)

WTC Ground Zero workers claim they helped FBI find 3 of the 4 black boxes from planes that struck WTC, contradicting official accounts that none were found. (Philadelphia Daily News)

WTC landlord profits over $1.5 billion from his entire WTC being destroyed. (ABC, Wall St Journal)

PENTAGON ATTACK...

Emergency equipment for Pentagon's emergency plane crash plans were already out of storage for inventory check before Pentagon crash. (Army)

Sept. 10, Pentagon medic is on the phone with FBI talking about who has command of their emergency plane crash plan. (Army)

Hours before crash, a Pentagon medic was studying disaster plan based on unlikely scenario of a plane crashing into building. (Washington Post)

Flight 77 is piloted by ex-Navy fighter pilot who worked on anti-terrorism strategies in same area of Pentagon hit by his plane and a passenger on board is an ex-Navy Admiral, jet fighter pilot, and American Airlines captain who also worked at Pentagon. (Newsday, Washington Post)

Flight 77's radar stops near Ohio/Kentucky border and is the only one of the four hijacked planes that wasn't able to be tracked all the way. (Flight Explorer, Washington Post)

Multiple fire and medical units dispatched near Pentagon minutes before crash for high-rise apt. fire that was reported out when 1st responder arrived. (Arlington County, Fire Engineering)

Pentagon crash happened right in the middle of the only section being renovated to bolster it against an attack which severely limited damage and loss of life. (USA Today, Army)

Rumsfeld announces Pentagon lost track of $2.3 trillion the day before it gets hit (CBS, DoD) attacks came near end of fiscal year & important budget information was located in the damaged area (Arlington County) large number of fatalities at Pentagon were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts (Pitt Post-Gazette)

Gas station and hotel's security cameras recorded Pentagon crash, but FBI arrived within minutes and confiscated films. (CNN, National Geographic)

Alleged Flight 77 hijacker pilot was described as a horrible pilot and wasn't on the flight manifest. (CBS, NY Times, Washington Post)

Live at Pentagon crash, CNN reporter says there's no evidence a plane crashed anywhere near the building. (CNN video)

Boy on Flight 77 is lectured by military father about dying who subsequently takes 'rare day off' from working in same area of Pentagon that son's plane will later crash into. (MSNBC)

Student ID of Flight 77 hijacker reportedly found at Pentagon, still able to read his name on it. (9/11 Commission)

Pentagon construction worker says on Larry King Live that plane that hit Pentagon had 'fewer engines' than the other 9/11 planes. (CNN)

PENNSYLVANIA CRASH...

June '01, a major terrorist exercise 'Mall Strike 2001' is conducted in a PA county next to the one where Flight 93 crashes. (FEMA, PittsburgLive)

Flight 93 reportedly lands at a Cleveland airport, adjacent to NASA Glenn Research Ctr, due to a bomb scare after a man over Flight 93's intercom says a bomb is on board and the plane will be "returning to the airport" at about the time it is flying over Cleveland. (WCPO-TV, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)

Rumsfeld says Flight 93 was shot down in speech. (CNN)



ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN...
'94, US intel warned that terrorists might attack US using airplanes as weapons (CNN, CBS) and was warned in '95 of plot to hijack planes and attack the Pentagon and CIA headquarters. (CNN)

CIA had low-level spies inside Al Qaeda three years before attacks. (Reuters)

Five of the alleged 9/11 hijackers receive training at secure US military bases. (MSNBC)

Jan. 2000, CIA information about 2 alleged 9/11 hijackers in San Diego is squelched before reaching FBI. (LA Times)

US agents told to back off bin Laden's soon after Bush becomes president. (Ananova)

June '01, convicted terrorist provided US with specific info about a terrorist attack, some was used in Aug. 6th memo. (Newsweek)

June 2001, Dept. of Defense changes hijacking rules, first time since 1997. (DoD)

July 2001, suspected 9/11 mastermind receives US visa despite '96 terrorist indictment. (ABC)

Armed pilots banned 2 months before 9/11. (WorldNetDaily)

July '01, briefing for senior US officials warns of spectacular attacks by terrorists with little or no warnings. (CNN)

Aug '01, Israeli security issued urgent warning to CIA of large-scale terror attacks. (Telegraph)

Aug '01, Taliban warns US of huge attack from bin Laden. (BBC)

Aug 6, CIA memo titled "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" warns Bush of attacks and plane hijackings in the US by OBL. (ABC, FOX)

FAA chiefs received 52 warnings in 6 months time period before 9/11. (New York Times)

All 4 hijacked planes were well below normal passenger loads, averaging only 27% full. (CNN, Washington Post)

FBI whistle-blower says bosses ignored 9/11 warnings. (Time)

FBI translator Sibel Edmonds: 'I Saw Papers That Show US Knew al-Qaida Would Attack Cities With Airplanes' (Independent UK)

9/11 Commission Chairman: 'Attack Was Preventable.' (CBS)

COVER-UP...

Ari Fleischer claims that Bush received no warnings about the attacks. (White House)

Mayor Rudolph Giuliani bans all video and photography at Ground Zero. (Boston Globe)

President Bush (White House), Gen. Richard Myers (DoD), Condoleezza Rice (CBS), Sect. Mineta and some NORAD officials all deny anybody was aware of the idea that terrorists would use airplanes as weapons. (Seattle Post)

Five months after 9/11, Pentagon security photos of crash are released, but Pentagon says gov't didn't 'officially' release them. (CNN)

Bush Administration oppose a 9/11 investigation. (CBS)

Bush names former Henry Kissinger to head 9/11 investigations. (CNN, CBS)

Bush names Homeland Security Project Co-Chair who has business link to husband of OBL's sister to head 9/11 panel. (Fortune)

9/11 investigations get only $3 million budget and 16 month time frame. (Washington Times)

White House refuses to release 900-page Sept. 11 congressional report. (Miami Herald)

9/11 panel criticizes Defense, Justice dept's for not cooperating fully and CIA, FBI for intimidating witnesses. (ABC, Guardian)

White House, CIA kept key portions of 9/11 report classified dealing with Saudi Arabia and reject Saudi requests to declassify. (Washington Post, Reuters)

9/11 Commission has to interview two of it's own members about attacks. (UPI)

Bush and Speaker Hastert oppose granting more time for 9/11 Commission. (Washington Post)

Bush Admin gags Sibel Edmonds from speaking to 9/11 Commission about attack foreknowledge. (Independent UK)

Bush, Cheney meet together behind closed doors with 9/11 Commission without recorders, stenographer, or being under oath. (CNN)

FAA manager mangled, cut, and destroyed 9/11 tapes. (Washington Post)

President Bush's phone logs on 9/11 don't exist. (NY Daily News)

9/11 report shows much of common wisdom about 9/11 was wrong. (9/11 Commission, Straights Times)

Alleged 9/11 mastermind and 10 other Al Qaeda suspects "missing" in US custody. (San Jose Mercury)

NORAD takes their 9/11 response timeline off website after US Senator accuses them and FAA of lying. (NORAD, Star Tribune)

Inquiry begins about unreleased 9/11 report about civilian, military response timeline and will stay unreleased until after elections. (NY Times)

Alleged 9/11 hijacker rented room from FBI informant, FBI covered fact up. (Village Voice)

Box cutters weren't allowed pre-9/11 by airlines industry. (9/11 Commission, CBS)

CULPRITS...

Of the 18 PNAC members who urged the US to remove Saddam in '98, 10 will be in the new Bush Admin. (ABC)

Sept. 10, Former Pres. and ex-CIA dir. Bush Sr. met with Osama's brother at Carlyle Group meeting in D.C. (Washington Post) and is at the White House morning of attacks. (CBS)

Sen. Graham, Rep. Goss, and other US Intel committee members have meeting morning of 9/11 with Paki ISI director who had authorized $100,000 wire transfer to Atta. (Wall St Journal, Washington Post)

Elite Israeli military commando who understands Arabic is seated near all hijackers on Flight 11. (WorldNetDaily)

Bush twice says he saw WTC plane crash live on TV at Booker Elementary. (Boston Herald, White House)

Bush proceeds with scheduled reading event after Rice tells him a commercial plane hit the WTC. (9/11 Commission)

Chief of Staff Card whispers to Bush about 2nd WTC crash and says 'America is under attack' and immediately leaves without seeing if Bush would respond. (Boston Herald)

After being told of attacks, Bush picks up book and reads with kids for 11 mins and after finishing, takes a few questions from kids before leaving. (FOX, St. Petersburg Times)

Bush gives speech at school exactly the same time he was scheduled to make speech there day before. (Federal News Service)

Solicitor Gen. Ted Olson--who has admitted the US gov't lies and helped stopped FL recount that sealed '00 Bush win--claims wife Barbara called him collect from Flight 77 twice and is sole source that hijackers used box cutters. (9/11 Commission, MSNBC, USA Today)

Israeli spies caught celebrating while filming themselves with WTC burning in background and later arrested and found with boxcutters, multiple foreign passports, maps linking them to the attack, explosives detected, and large amount of cash in their white van (ABC, The Forward, Bergen Record)

Sept. 6, large put options placed on United, American Airlines, Boeing and some purchases made through bank which used to be headed by Exec. CIA Director Buzzy Krongard. (Chicago Tribune, SF Chronicle)

Bush is never evacuated by Secret Service from School. (Globe & Mail)

Air Force Gen. Myers claims was never informed 2nd WTC crash and only became aware of it about same time Pentagon hit. (DoD)

Former Israeli PM Netanyahu is asked what 9/11 attacks meant Israeli/US relations and he replies "It's very good." (CBS)

Bush Admin allows Bin Laden family and top Saudi officials to evacuated from US before general public flight restrictions were lifted. (NY Times, Tampa Tribune)

Bush signs Airline Transportation Stabilization Act which if 9/11 victim's families except, they can't sue airlines or US gov't for any reason. (Gurdian, LA Times)

Rumsfeld says in a magazine interview that Pentagon was hit by a "missile." (DoD)

Bush refers to 9/11 as "an interesting day." (White House)

Madrid bombings happen exactly 911 days after 9/11. (News 24, Snopes.com)

MOTIVES...

1998, PNAC calls for a war in Iraq to oust Saddam Hussein who they say threatens Israel and the world's oil supply. (ABC, PNAC)

Sept. 2000, PNAC calls to increase US defense budget, but says won't happen absent a catastrophic event like a "new Pearl Harbor." (ABC, PNAC)

Sept. 5, Rumsfeld asks the Senate to approve new '02 defense budget which has largest spending increase since the mid 80's. (DoD)

Council on Foreign Relation member Gary Hart says 9/11 attacks is chance for Bush to carry out a "new world order." (CFR)

Only 1 1/2 months after 9/11, the 342 page USA PATRIOT ACT is signed into law. (White House)

Dept. of Homeland Security is created to lead the fight against domestic terrorism. (CBS)

Poll Cites GOP Gains Since 9/11. (Washington Post)

Afghanistan

1997, Taleban are in Texas for talks with Unocal about an Afghan pipeline (BBC); Feb '98, Unocal rep testifies before congress that an Afghan pipeline can't happen without a single stable Afghan gov't and asks the US to use it's influence to end conflicts there (US House of Reps); Aug. '98, Unocal suspends Afghan pipeline activities because of deteriorating political conditions there (Unocal), then drops out of Afghan pipeline consortium in Dec '98. (Unocal)

1999, US paid entire annual salary of Taliban gov'tl in hopes to secure a stable Afghan gov't to allow US companies to build a pipeline there to connect to the Caspian Sea (SF Chronicle), May 2001, US gives $43 million to Afghanistan and becomes their largest donor two years in a row. (CNN)

July 2000, Taliban bans cultivation of opium poppies in Afghanistan. (BBC)

July 2001, US plans to invade Afghanistan by October 2001 (BBC, Guardian), Sept. 4 2001, White House approves plan to invade Afghanistan (CBS, USA Today), Sept. 10, plan awaits Bush's approval (MSNBC), Oct 2001, US invades Afghanistan. (DoD)

War in Afghanistan would have been politically impossible pre-9/11. (USA Today)

Dec. 2002, Afghan gas pipeline deal signed. (BBC, SF Chronicle)

By 2005, Afghanistan opium production surges. (USA Today)

Iraq

Bush had pre-9/11 Iraq war plan according to Treasury Dept memo (CNN), Bush made plans for ousting Saddam and for Iraq's oil before 9/11 (BBC)

Barely 5 hrs after the Pentagon crash, Rumsfeld begins strike plans against Iraq. (CBS)

Bush admin was warned statements that Iraq trained Al Qaeda in weapon making was fabricated, yet they would later use same statements as foundation for military action in Iraq (NY Times, AFP), poll later finds 70% Americans believe Saddam-9/11 link (CNN, White House), Downing Street Memo warned Saddam not a threat and US fixed intel around their war policy (London Times, Washington Post), CIA report later concludes no WMD's in Iraq as Bush used to help justify war (CNN, BBC)

White House officials say privately 9/11 was main reason for war in Iraq (ABC), Bush says US is in Iraq because of 9/11 attacks. (CNN, White House)

PATSIES, OPERATIVES...

July '01, OBL wanted by US since '98, undergoes medical treatment at the American Hospital in Dubai and is met by the local CIA chief. (Guradian)

May '01, several alleged jackers seen at Vegas Strip clubs (SF Chronicle); Sept. 2-6, Majed Moqed seen in two stores in Maryland looking over adult videos and books (MSNBC); Sept. 7, Atta seen 'wasted' at FL bar. (St. Petersburg Times); Sept. 10, Atta and two Arab men spew anti-American sentiments at FL strip club, spend hundreds on drinks and lap dances, and copy of Quran and business card are left behind. (USA Today)

Sept. 10, OBL undergoes kidney dialysis at Pakistani military hospital in which a "secret team" replaces regular urology staff. (CBS)

CIA says 1st WTC plane crash was an attack and Dir. Tenet blames OBL for attacks even before 2nd plane crashes (ABC) and the US is claiming Osama bin Laden is behind the attacks before the day is over. (ABC, The Post)

Taliban rulers condemn attacks and says Bin Laden didn't have the means to carry out such well-orchestrated attacks. (TCM News)

7 of alleged 19 hijackers are reported alive, FBI Director admits some identities are in doubt. (BBC, LA Times)

Hijacker remains from Flight 77, 93 hijackers were identified at same military base and by a "process of elimination." (CBS)

Dec 2001, Osama bin Laden reportedly dies. (FOX, Mirror UK, NY Times)

Dec 2001, Pentagon releases poor quality video showing 'OBL' bragging about attacks, but is seen writing with right hand which FBI says he's left-handed, wearing a gold ring and watch which are forbidden in Islam, and Bush Admin uses this video to vindicate US invading Afghan. (USA Today, FBI)

Video of OBL admitting to attacks is released 4 days before '04 election and gives Bush a boost in polls. (ABC, NY Daily News, Zogby)

Secret FBI report doubts Al Qaeda can stage another 9/11-type attack and says it knows of no sleeper cells in US. (ABC)

Mohammed Atta's father says Atta called him on Sept. 12. (Guardian)

http://www.government-propaganda.com...moking-gun.htm

Pin d'Ar

[Pindar]

Ja nou word ie mooi!

Ik zei toch dat ze 'micro-nukes' gebruikt hadden, (in de NWO thread dacht ik)

Welnum die zijn waarschijnlijk gebruikt bij Oklahoma, waarom dan niet bij 9-11???

Micro Nuclear Devices Used in OKC Bombing: Explosives Placed by FBI, ATF

Dr. Bill Deagle MD | September 8 2004

In 1995 I worked at Penrose St. Francis Hospital in Colorado Springs, as an Occupational Physician for CCOM. We had many of the most classified contracts in the Colorado Springs area, including Falcon Air Force Base program employees, NORAD employees and classified ATMEL and Symbios Logic, etc. EMP proof and Supercomputer chip classified manufacturers.

My director, Dr. George Swinder MD, was unavailable when the Military Expert Forensic team was sent from Fort Carson to Oklahoma city and was just returning to the Springs for exit examinations. This duty fell to me to perform exit physicals and testing, for all five members of the team. One of the team requested sperm testing, stating, "I want to have kids." I replied sarcastically, " Go ahead, and have kids." He said, "No, you don't understand." I said, "What do you mean?" "Doc, you really don't know what happened at Oklahoma City do you?" I said, "Well I heard that an ammonium nitrate bomb was reported to have exploded killing 168 people."

He leaned forward, "See this rash on my arms, and chest, and legs. Check me doc. I want all the blood tests and do a sperm test." I was irritated now, "Now just a minute, I'm the doctor. If you don't come clean and tell me what you were exposed to I can't possibly know what type of tests to order. I was a biochemisty major, before going into medicine, and we do toxicology testing when there is suspected industrial exposures that put an employee in danger." He said, "You won't release my name or put this in your report to my superiors, will you. I know about doctor-patient confidentiality." "Well," I said, "I won't release your name, but if affects others, I can't say I won't release the information to the correct authorities."

"Doc, what happened in Oklahoma City wasn't caused by ammonium nitrate bomb in the small truck they say was parked by the building." "What are you saying?", I snapped back. "See this rash, it was caused by radiation. We broke three radiation detectors there. See, we were the same team that was sent to Riyad, Saudi Arabia and the bomb only blew the windows into the building. We estimated the explosion was by our calculations to be seven times more ammonium nitrate in that truck bomb. The whole front of the building was sheared off doc in Oklahoma; cleanest controlled detonation our munitions expert forensic team has seen ever. " "What!!", I blurted. "Yeah, we were examining the building site under Wakenhut armed guard, and told not to take any radioactive debris off the site, or they were ordered to shoot on site to kill. All our bags were searched and put through a detector, to make sure we didn't take any off site, or away from the place where they burried and concrete capped all the debris, again under armed Wakenhut guard." "You are telling me that the building was exploded with a nuclear device?", I said. Shaking with a now very pale and distant face, he grunted, "Yeah!". "Oh my God!, and how did this happen?", I inquired.

"There were micronuclear bombs placed on support pillars in the walls of the Federal Building, by special units of the ATF and FBI. They were paged out not to enter the building on the morning of the detonation, and the Federal Judge was warned to cancel court that day. We removed to undetonated softball sized micronuclear bombs, and one C4 pineapple bomb, attached to the pillars of the remaining building."

"I can't believe this story!", I blurted. "Well, doc are you going to test me?", now sweating and shaking more violently with anguish at these revelations. "I will order some more tests of your blood cells that will rule out radiation effects on your blood cells and bone marrow. As for the sperm count and morphology testing, you need to just go to your primary family doctor's office, and I am sure he will do this for you. Call me with the results, and I can interpret if there are any abnormalities." "Ok" Looking relieved, "thanks for listening to what happened to us doc."

This story dialogue was very disturbing, and I told my wife Michelle that night, placed the information of the 'shelf', and hoped that he was lying, but I had an aching feeling of serious doubt that continued until other events proved to me he was right on with the details of the Oklahoma Murah Building detonation by the NWO.



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OKC Bombshell Implicates Feds In Murrah Blast. After nearly a decade, shocking, suppressed evidence emerges

By Pat Shannan
Only moments after an enormous blast blew away most of the facade and a full quarter of the eastern end of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, the FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) began to release evidence implicating two men, and two men only, who they claimed were solely responsible. The evidence later showed that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols had confessed to the impossible.

At first, several independent investigators came forward to complain that there was an obvious cover-up. Now they call it the “ongoing cover-up of the cover-up.” And now, even the new OKC museum contradicts the official theory of what happened on April 19.

Officials in charge at the time still refuse to discuss anything other than the manufactured spin: McVeigh and Nichols, as convicted by the courts, mixed up a large batch of ammonium nitrate fuel oil (ANFO—a mild explosive used by farmers to blow out stumps) and demolished several square blocks of downtown Oklahoma City with a devastating blast that could be heard miles away.

In reality, the ANFO story was born only 10 minutes after the blast when a high-ranking BATF official by the name of Harry Everhart witnessed the blast from nearby and called the BATF office in Dallas to excitedly announce, “Someone has just blown up the federal building in Oklahoma City with a truckload of ANFO!”

Some reporters and investigators, who have looked objectively at the bombing, now argue that neither Everhart nor anyone else could have correctly deduced in such a short time exactly what caused the explosion.

According to government documents released later, Ever hart was experienced in loading large amounts of ammonium nitrate fertilizer into a vehicle for use as a terrorist truck bomb, and his presence in the midst of the second worst terrorist attack in U.S. history looms suspicious to this day.

Records indicate that this ANFO explosives expert and his associates had destroyed at least eight vehicles in “test bombing experiments” at a secret range in the New Mexico desert in the 12 months prior to the OKC bombing.

Everhart and his fellow specialists even photographed and videotaped these truck bombs as they detonated.

Far from an anti government militia member, the vehicle bomb expert was Special Agent Everhart, an employee of the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. And, according to federal government records obtained later, Everhart had been instrumental in obtaining the government funding to perform the ANFO bombing tests.

Everhart served on the National Response Team (NRT), a group of experienced bomb and arson investigators who respond to major bombing crime scenes throughout the United States.

He also served on a secret government project in 1994 that conducted tests using ANFO and C-4 to blow up cars and vans in a classified U.S. government experiment known as “Project Dipole Might.”

According to files, reports and photographs obtained from the Department of the Treasury through a Freedom of Information Act request, the U.S. government initiated a “comprehensive ANFO and C-4 vehicle bomb testing program” about a year before the OKC bombing. Records show the project was supervised and administered by the BATF, but was actually funded through a National Security Council (NSC) directive.

The Department of Treasury has confirmed the project was initiated under President Bill Clinton’s NSC staff shortly after he took office in 1993.

The intent of the Dipole Might experiments in 1994 includes making videos and computer models to “be displayed in a courtroom to aid in the prosecution of defendants” in vehicle bomb cases, according to government documents. The exact precedent and purpose of this activity is unclear. BATF agents started blowing up vans and cars in the spring of 1994 at the White Sands Missile Range in order to collect test data for post-blast forensics computer software packages to be issued out to National Response Team personnel when they respond to truck bombings.

Why the NSC would fund such a BATF project—despite the rarity of the crime—has not been explained.

Nor has it been explained as to what specific threat-assessment information the government had when it decided to engage in such a project, just a few months before officials claimed a Ryder truck laden with ammonium nitrate fertilizer exploded in front of the Murrah building.

The only major ANFO vehicle bombing in U.S. history, prior to OKC, occurred in August 1970 at the University of Wisconsin, in Madison, Wis.

Contrary to media reports, the World Trade Center bomb of February 1993 was composed of urea nitrate, not ANFO, according to the FBI.

Despite only one known case in almost 25 years, why did Clinton’s NSC anticipate a need for detailed information regarding ANFO vehicle bomb attacks a few months prior to the Oklahoma City blast?

Treasury’s own official documents reveal the intensity of interest. In fact, a brief summary of “Project Dipole Might” is featured in BATF’s 1994 Annual Report to Congress.

There were enough clandestine characters hanging around Oklahoma City to fill a James Bond movie during the days prior to the crime.

BATF’s paid informant Carol Howe had provided information that the Murrah building was one of three potential targets.

On April 6, Cary Gagan gave U.S. marshals in Denver the information that “a federal building would be blown up in either Denver or Oklahoma City within two weeks.” He had not only personally delivered timers and blasting caps to a Middle Eastern group, but had sat in on a meeting where the blueprints of the Murrah Building were on display.

Then, 38 minutes before the blasts on April 19, the Department of Justice in Washington received an anonymous telephone call warning that the Murrah Building was about to be blown up but took no action.

After a morning of reporting that “multiple bombs” had been found in the Murrah debris—a report publicly confirmed by the Gov. Frank Keating—and that rescue operations had been halted for two hours while these unexploded bombs were removed, news people suddenly began to spin the government yarn about an ANFO bomb being responsible for the enormous damage.

One of the problems with that theory was the fact that the columns remained standing directly across the sidewalk from the truck as opposed to those that had collapsed more than 50 feet away. A retired air force brigadier general with 30 years experience compiled an irrefutable report on this subject, which showed exactly where the charges were placed inside the building.

It was so irrefutable that the prosecution refused to allow him to testify at the Denver trial as it would have destroyed any ANFO theory that the government had already sold to the American people.

On May 23, 1995, only 34 days after the explosions, the federal government stonewalled all attempts to examine the building’s remaining structure and carried out an ordered demolition, destroying and burying forever what many believed contained the evidence of many explosions.

http://www.government-propaganda.com/oklahoma-city.html


Pin d'Ar

[exodus]

Nog over de Oklahoma city bombing:

De aanslag was gepleegd door McVeigh met een Ryder truck. Onderstaande foto is enkele dagen voor de aanslag op het gebouw getrokken. Het was toen al (in 1995) een verlaten militaire basis, maar op die dag was er blijkbaar wel iets te doen. Je ziet exact hetzelfde type Ryder truck als waarmee McVeig het gebouw opgeblazen heeft. Leet ook op de afschermingen erond om niet te zien wat er aan de truck gedaan wordt.

[Turkje]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door democratsteve

Yup.
Jij, als wiskundige, al eens berekend welke de vereiste kinetische energie is om massief stalen columns zover horizontaal weg te slingeren?

Dat is wreed eenvoudig. Waarom doe je dat zelf niet?

Stel dat zo'n balk weggeslingerd wordt �* rato van 20 m/sec, en dat zo'n balk 500 kg weegt. De kinetische energie daarvoor benodigd is 100000 J. Stel dat de botsing verticaal op de grond 50% van de energie heeft opgeslokt (een veel te hoge schatting, maar daardoor conservatief), dan heb je een valenergie van 200000 J nodig. Deze bekom je door dezelfde balk van een hoogte van amper 40 m te laten vallen.

[Pindar]

Zat er dus idd niet zo veel naast!

Observations Suggesting the Use of Small Hydrogen Bombs

1) The concrete pulverized into fine dust, 70…300 micron particles (just this could take more energy than the total gravitational energy available). See Gehue plates 6 and 7

2) Very energetic – hot – dust after the explosions. (Demolition charges would produce white clouds of dust, which would not move much, and a gravity-driven collapse would produce much less and more coarse dust.)

3) Brown shades of color seen in the air – these are produced by nuclear reactions of a thermonuclear device. The reactions use (gamma radiation caused by free neutrons, N2, O2, H2O > nitrid acid, NO2, NO3). These clouds soon get their usual white color after some minutes as the heat and fast movement of the clouds cease becoming ordinary clouds with some water.

Note: many of the pictures taken regarding the WTC Towers and the clouds seem to have been developed too blue, killing shades of brown. (This may have been an attempt to suppress the evidence.) Also there was supposed to be 200 000+ gallons of water on the roof of each tower – this water was spilled into stairwells etc, but was later all converted into water vapor reducing the brown color.

4) Superheated steel objects, disintegrating into steel vapor. Molten ponds of steel were found in the elevator shafts. There were lots of burned cars in the parking areas of the towers. The fire department did not announce until 12/19/2001 that the fires under the WTC rubble have been distinguished (more than 3 months after the incident).

http://www.government-propaganda.com...in-towers.html

Pin d'Ar

[Kaffer]

Met alle respekt voor de talloze argumenten van de believers , maar waarom zou de Amerikaanse regering zo'n megakomplot in elkaar moeten steken als er 10.000 en fundamentalisten klaarstaan om zelf zoiets te doen .
De meest rationele logika stelt : ge laat die gasten eens doen , en nadien hebben we alle redenen om ze terug te pakken .

[Turkje]

In een andere thread waren believers er als de kippen bij om theorieën inhoudende nucleaire bommen naar de prullenbak te verwijzen. Zullen ze dat aan de hand van bovenstaande post nu opnieuw doen?

[Turkje]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Kaffer

Met alle respekt voor de talloze argumenten van de believers , maar waarom zou de Amerikaanse regering zo'n megakomplot in elkaar moeten steken als er 10.000 en fundamentalisten klaarstaan om zelf zoiets te doen .
De meest rationele logika stelt : ge laat die gasten eens doen , en nadien hebben we alle redenen om ze terug te pakken .

Mee eens; ALS er al een conspiracy is, dan met betrekking tot de middelen die zijn ingebracht of juist niet zijn ingebracht om 9/11 te voorkomen.

[parcifal]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Turkje

Mee eens; ALS er al een conspiracy is, dan met betrekking tot de middelen die zijn ingebracht of juist niet zijn ingebracht om 9/11 te voorkomen.

Klopt.
Elke suggestie van iets 'meer' mist tot hiertoe elke grond.

[praha]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door democratsteve

Trust me me friend, dat is NIET de normaalste zaak van de wereld.

jawel hoor... ik kom het je net te zeggen

maar de oorzaak kan misschien volledig anders zijn ... die vrijheid zal ik je zeker niet ontnemen

Heu??? Waar halen zij hun BEELDEN bedoel je?
Allemaal die dag recorded door de GROTE mainstream-media!!!

okay en dat blijft dus in het conspiracy wereldje de ronde doen... prima ...zelfs niets mis mee ( op voorwaarde dat geen fake is ofcourse ) ...je kan dat alleen maar toejuichen dat op die manier die foto's nog te vinden zouden zijn

(om nadien NOOIT meer herhaald te worden!!)
Geloof je me niet? Zoek dan zelfs maar eens bij CNN, CBS, ABC etc.... naar één Close up videofragment van de instortende torens.

kan zijn ...maar ik heb je net een alternatieve verklaring gegeven die net zo goed is als jou veronderstelling waarom ze niet meer te vinden zouden zijn
tot zover bewijst dat dus niks meer of niks minder

Nu eens eerlijke vraag.

ja vraag maar op...als ik ze kan beantwoorden doe ik dat

CNN is praktisch de grootste nieuwzender ter wereld.
En 9/11 is de grootste terreur aanslag in de geschiedenis.
Vind jij het dan normaal dat in hun archief bijna niks aan beeldmateriaal te vinden is? (terwijl er honderden live beelden zijn van die dag.

archief.... welk archief ?
'tgeen wat eventueel in hunne kelder kan liggen of 'tgeen wat zij nu belangrijk achten om te laten zien ?

Hell, je vind via de officiele kanalen en hun archieven meer live- béélden van de 2é wereldorlog dan van 9/11!!
Vindt u dat alles normaal??

ergens wel want dat is een afgesloten hoofdstuk
begrijp me niet verkeerd... ik zou het ook liever anders zien maar cnn speculeert ( even exclusief de hele conspiracy beschouwd ) zuiver op de kijkcijfers
btw je gooit twee zaken gelijk door elkaar : officiele kanalen zondermeer en dat kan gaan van national geographic tv tot sites en hun (cnn dus) archieven
da's appelen met peren vergelijken
is het dan zo dat je bij ccn feilloos zowat elke wo2 documentaire kan bekijken ?

Kijk, dat ze nu over het optreden van de FBI, CIA en Norad enzo "geheimzinnig" doen, dat zou ik nog kunnen begrijpen.
Maar de instorting van die torens was toch een louter technish fenomeen, waarvoor NOOIT de overheid de schuld zou kunnen krijgen.
Dus waarom al die geheimzinnigheid rond de "instortingen" van die gebouwen?

misschien is het helemaal geen kwestie van geheimzinnigheid
en krijgen we dat wel weer te zien als komkommernieuws en/of op een terugblik bij de verjaardag

[parcifal]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Het is vooral de manier waarop hij ingestort is dat duidt op gecontrolleerde demolitie.

Waarom is daar dan geen bewijs van terug te vinden op de seismogrammen?
Bijvoorbeeld die van het Earth Observatory Lamont Doherty van de Columbia University?

Data o.a. hier te vinden.

Ook op de seismogrammen van Protec was volgens Brent Blanchard geen enkele indicatie te vinden van explosieven.

Geef daar eens een gefundeerd antwoord op?