Russische vlag op het parlement van de Krim

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Onderhandelen? Met iemand die je grondgebied aan het afpakken is?

Op welke basis valt er dan te onderhandelen. Of ze veel of heeeel veel van Oekraïne inpalmen?

Voor onderhandelen is het te laat me dunkt. En Rusland weet al dat niemand hen gaat stoppen. Eind de jaren 30 ging het er ook zo aan toe in Europa.

Onderhandelen met de rebellen die zich onafhankelijk hebben verklaard!
De Oekraine heeft de afgelopen jaren niets gedaan om haar eigen staat om te vormen tot een federatie.
Iets wat Belgie wel heeft gedaan.
Belgie is ontstaan, omdat de rebellen in 1830 millitaire steun kregen van Frankrijk en op die manier een vazalstaat werd.
Nog niet zo lang geleden is Belgie, tot federalisering overgegaan, omdat het bittere noodzaak was.
Zo ook was de Oekraine een vazalstaat van Rusland.
Ze hebben veel te lang gewacht met federaliseren , met deze burgeroorlog tot gevolg.
Europa kan niet alle ellende van een ander opknappen.
Landen zijn ook zelf verantwoordelijk voor de chaos die ze hebben veroorzaakt.

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http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20140828_01236947

Een ietwat ironisch stukje omtrent het maken van eenvoudige kaarten opdat Russische soldaten niet meer zouden "verdwalen" in oekraine eindigt met een meer grimmige noot.In minstens een Russische krant heeft men het al gehad over Russische gesneuvelden op een kerkhof in de grensstreek die zouden gevallen zijn terwijl Rusland momenteel toch met niemand in oorlog is????

Vrijwilligers.

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Wat zou er op hun zerk staan? "Hier rust soldaat Pjotr, voor het Vaderland op daguitstap gestorven"?

Gestorven als vrijwilliger.

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Gestorven als vrijwilliger.

Russische vrijwilligers hebben nog minder keus dan Chinese vrijwilligers.
En de moeders van die vrijwilligers die vragen durven stellen komen blijkbaar terecht op een lijst van 'Buitenlandse Agenten' die rusland bijhoudt.
Waar hebben we zoiets eerder gezien? O ja, in Argentinie natuurlijk.

The Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo (Spanish: Asociación Madres de Plaza de Mayo) is an association of Argentine mothers whose children were "disappeared" during the Dirty War of the military dictatorship, between 1976 and 1983. They organized while trying to learn what had happened to their children, and began to march in 1977 at the Plaza de Mayo in Buenos Aires, in front of the Casa Rosada presidential palace, in public defiance of the government's state terrorism intended to silence all opposition.

Ondertussen wordt het W-woord niet meer geschuwd door Europese toppolitici.

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Ondertussen wordt het W-woord niet meer geschuwd door Europese toppolitici.

Tot grote tevredenheid uiteraard van :

• Washington
• Tel Aviv
• Mekka

Samen de As van het Kwade.

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Die Sikorski die je daar vermeld is een PNAC-slet.

[kelt]

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Vrijwilligers.

De officiele Russische mededeling dat het zou gaan om Russische troepen die in hun "verlof" gaan bijklussen bij de buren doet fel tekort aan onze intellectuele capaciteit.

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De officiele Russische mededeling dat het zou gaan om Russische troepen die in hun "verlof" gaan bijklussen bij de buren doet fel tekort aan onze intellectuele capaciteit.

Spijtig dat je brilletje alleen maar werkt in één richting.

[kelt]

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Spijtig dat je brilletje alleen maar werkt in die richting.

Men probeert in Moskou de mensen die vanuit de Russische Federatie als vrijwilliger gaan vechten in Oekraine, en de Russische militairen in aktieve dienst die aangetroffen worden,in een zak te stoppen.

Want "vrijwilligers" zijn een spijtige zaak,maar militairen in aktieve dienst zijn een gans andere zaak op diplomatiek en geopolitiek gebied...

"Verdwalen","vakantiewerkers"......het komt niet eens meer professioneel over.Dat men in Moskou dan gewoon zegt waar het op staat,ze drukken de Oekrainse strijdkrachten weer weg van de grenzen en breken de omsingeling van Dontsk en Lugansk waardoor nu Oekrainse strijdkrachten op eigen grondgebied ingesloten dreigen te raken!

[parcifal]

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Spijtig dat je brilletje alleen maar werkt in één richting.

En wat ziet jouw bedampte brilletje hier?



Vertaling : "Deze tanks, gaan die ook op vakantie?"

Maar volgens jou zijn het uiteraard geen tanks maar caravans waarmee die russische vrijwilligers op vakantie gaan naar Oekraiene, nietwaar?

Russische caravan, type T-72. :

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Onderhandelen? Met iemand die je grondgebied aan het afpakken is?

Op welke basis valt er dan te onderhandelen. Of ze veel of heeeel veel van Oekraïne inpalmen?

Voor onderhandelen is het te laat me dunkt. En Rusland weet al dat niemand hen gaat stoppen. Eind de jaren 30 ging het er ook zo aan toe in Europa.

Lees deze blogpost van Dmitry Orlov op ClubOrlov blog. _{28 aug 2014}

Enkele misconcepties die Washington ons probeert op te dringen via haar corporate media mondstukken.

1. They would like you to think that there is a Russian invasion in the East of Ukraine. What's actually happening is a civil war between the government of Western Ukraine (which no longer rules the east in any definable way) and the Russian population of Eastern Ukraine. Ukraine has been falling apart for decades—ever since independence. The eventual break-up was inevitable, but the catalyst for it was the military overthrow of Ukraine's legitimate government and its replacement with cadres hand-picked in Washington.

2. They would like you to think that the Russian government stands behind Lugansk People's Republic and Donetsk People's Republic—the two regions which, based on referendum results, have chosen to break away from Kiev. In fact, the Russian government has refused to recognize these republics. They have received no official political support from Moscow, which asked for the referendums to be postponed, and repeatedly asked for a cease-fire and an international, negotiated settlement to the crisis. The leadership of LPR and DPR has refused, and now aims for an outright military victory.

3. They would like you to believe that the Russian government is arming the “rebels” in Eastern Ukraine. To the contrary, the Russian government has withheld all military support, limiting itself to providing humanitarian supplies to the hundreds of thousands of people whose lives have been destroyed by artillery and rocket fire coming from the Ukrainian forces. The weapons in the “rebels'” arsenal are trophies, which they seized from the retreating Ukrainian forces. That said, the “rebels” are indeed being supported—but by the Russian people, not the Russian government. Remember, these are all Russians, on both sides of the border, and the Ukrainian government no longer controls any of it.

4. They want to convince you that Russia poses a threat to peace in Europe, and that the crisis in Ukraine is part of an imperialist Russian strategy to resurrect the USSR. Nothing could be further from the truth. The overarching Russian ambition is for Russia to be a normal country, subject of international law, at peace with the whole world, and integrated into the global economy. The Russian government is doing next to nothing to prevent Russians in areas that were once part of Russia from being slaughtered right in their homes using artillery and rocket fire. This makes for a distressing spectacle, but the Russian people understand that enlarging the military conflict beyond the by now purely notional borders of Ukraine is not the answer.

5. They want to assure you that Kiev will eventually prevail in the conflict. In fact, the Ukrainian military is being systematically destroyed. Shelling civilians is the only activity which they have been able to carry out successfully. The government in Kiev has instituted three mobilizations, one after the other, sending into battle boys and old men (maximum draft age is now 60). Their soldiers are badly armed, badly trained, completely demoralized, and they mostly refuse to fight. The casualties run into the tens of thousands. Ukraine is quickly running out of tanks and APCs, which are all old Soviet-era and have been rusting for decades. It appears that Ukraine no longer has an air force at all. The war is far from over, but now, for the first time, LPR and DPR actually have something resembling an army, and that army is going on attack. Once the Ukrainian military collapses altogether, it seems likely that other parts of Ukraine will declare independence from Kiev.

6. They want you to think that the government in Kiev is legitimate, popular and stable. In fact, there are huge protests going on in Kiev at this very moment. The entire country is beyond bankrupt and is falling apart in real time, not just in the east, but everywhere. The people are beyond angry. The military units retreating from the east are in a foul mood, and may soon decide to turn their weapons against those who ordered them into battle. The people are beyond angry, and it seems probable that another revolution, only half a year since the last one, is in the works.

[Anselmo]

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Lees deze blogpost van Dmitry Orlov op ClubOrlov blog. _{28 aug 2014}

Enkele misconcepties die Washington ons probeert op te dringen via haar corporate media mondstukken.

1. They would like you to think that there is a Russian invasion in the East of Ukraine. What's actually happening is a civil war between the government of Western Ukraine (which no longer rules the east in any definable way) and the Russian population of Eastern Ukraine. Ukraine has been falling apart for decades—ever since independence. The eventual break-up was inevitable, but the catalyst for it was the military overthrow of Ukraine's legitimate government and its replacement with cadres hand-picked in Washington.

2. They would like you to think that the Russian government stands behind Lugansk People's Republic and Donetsk People's Republic—the two regions which, based on referendum results, have chosen to break away from Kiev. In fact, the Russian government has refused to recognize these republics. They have received no official political support from Moscow, which asked for the referendums to be postponed, and repeatedly asked for a cease-fire and an international, negotiated settlement to the crisis. The leadership of LPR and DPR has refused, and now aims for an outright military victory.

3. They would like you to believe that the Russian government is arming the “rebels” in Eastern Ukraine. To the contrary, the Russian government has withheld all military support, limiting itself to providing humanitarian supplies to the hundreds of thousands of people whose lives have been destroyed by artillery and rocket fire coming from the Ukrainian forces. The weapons in the “rebels'” arsenal are trophies, which they seized from the retreating Ukrainian forces. That said, the “rebels” are indeed being supported—but by the Russian people, not the Russian government. Remember, these are all Russians, on both sides of the border, and the Ukrainian government no longer controls any of it.

4. They want to convince you that Russia poses a threat to peace in Europe, and that the crisis in Ukraine is part of an imperialist Russian strategy to resurrect the USSR. Nothing could be further from the truth. The overarching Russian ambition is for Russia to be a normal country, subject of international law, at peace with the whole world, and integrated into the global economy. The Russian government is doing next to nothing to prevent Russians in areas that were once part of Russia from being slaughtered right in their homes using artillery and rocket fire. This makes for a distressing spectacle, but the Russian people understand that enlarging the military conflict beyond the by now purely notional borders of Ukraine is not the answer.

5. They want to assure you that Kiev will eventually prevail in the conflict. In fact, the Ukrainian military is being systematically destroyed. Shelling civilians is the only activity which they have been able to carry out successfully. The government in Kiev has instituted three mobilizations, one after the other, sending into battle boys and old men (maximum draft age is now 60). Their soldiers are badly armed, badly trained, completely demoralized, and they mostly refuse to fight. The casualties run into the tens of thousands. Ukraine is quickly running out of tanks and APCs, which are all old Soviet-era and have been rusting for decades. It appears that Ukraine no longer has an air force at all. The war is far from over, but now, for the first time, LPR and DPR actually have something resembling an army, and that army is going on attack. Once the Ukrainian military collapses altogether, it seems likely that other parts of Ukraine will declare independence from Kiev.

6. They want you to think that the government in Kiev is legitimate, popular and stable. In fact, there are huge protests going on in Kiev at this very moment. The entire country is beyond bankrupt and is falling apart in real time, not just in the east, but everywhere. The people are beyond angry. The military units retreating from the east are in a foul mood, and may soon decide to turn their weapons against those who ordered them into battle. The people are beyond angry, and it seems probable that another revolution, only half a year since the last one, is in the works.

Geen enkele rechtvaardiging gevonden om Rusland toe te laten eigen troepen op een achterbakse manier het land van een buurstaat te laten binnendringen met de bedoeling dit terrein in te lijven.

[Anselmo]

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Vrijwilligers.

Opmerkelijk dat lieden, die zich objectief kunnen informeren met zulke drogredenen kunnen meegaan.

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Opmerkelijk dat lieden, die zich objectief kunnen informeren met zulke drogredenen kunnen meegaan.

Die objectieve informatie werd ingewonnen. Dank U.

[E. Migrant]

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Tot grote tevredenheid uiteraard van :

• Washington
• Tel Aviv
• Mekka

Samen de As van het Kwade.

De nagel op de kop !

[Gipsy]

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Lees deze blogpost van Dmitry Orlov op ClubOrlov blog. _{28 aug 2014}

Enkele misconcepties die Washington ons probeert op te dringen via haar corporate media mondstukken.

1. They would like you to think that there is a Russian invasion in the East of Ukraine. What's actually happening is a civil war between the government of Western Ukraine (which no longer rules the east in any definable way) and the Russian population of Eastern Ukraine. Ukraine has been falling apart for decades—ever since independence. The eventual break-up was inevitable, but the catalyst for it was the military overthrow of Ukraine's legitimate government and its replacement with cadres hand-picked in Washington.

2. They would like you to think that the Russian government stands behind Lugansk People's Republic and Donetsk People's Republic—the two regions which, based on referendum results, have chosen to break away from Kiev. In fact, the Russian government has refused to recognize these republics. They have received no official political support from Moscow, which asked for the referendums to be postponed, and repeatedly asked for a cease-fire and an international, negotiated settlement to the crisis. The leadership of LPR and DPR has refused, and now aims for an outright military victory.

3. They would like you to believe that the Russian government is arming the “rebels” in Eastern Ukraine. To the contrary, the Russian government has withheld all military support, limiting itself to providing humanitarian supplies to the hundreds of thousands of people whose lives have been destroyed by artillery and rocket fire coming from the Ukrainian forces. The weapons in the “rebels'” arsenal are trophies, which they seized from the retreating Ukrainian forces. That said, the “rebels” are indeed being supported—but by the Russian people, not the Russian government. Remember, these are all Russians, on both sides of the border, and the Ukrainian government no longer controls any of it.

4. They want to convince you that Russia poses a threat to peace in Europe, and that the crisis in Ukraine is part of an imperialist Russian strategy to resurrect the USSR. Nothing could be further from the truth. The overarching Russian ambition is for Russia to be a normal country, subject of international law, at peace with the whole world, and integrated into the global economy. The Russian government is doing next to nothing to prevent Russians in areas that were once part of Russia from being slaughtered right in their homes using artillery and rocket fire. This makes for a distressing spectacle, but the Russian people understand that enlarging the military conflict beyond the by now purely notional borders of Ukraine is not the answer.

5. They want to assure you that Kiev will eventually prevail in the conflict. In fact, the Ukrainian military is being systematically destroyed. Shelling civilians is the only activity which they have been able to carry out successfully. The government in Kiev has instituted three mobilizations, one after the other, sending into battle boys and old men (maximum draft age is now 60). Their soldiers are badly armed, badly trained, completely demoralized, and they mostly refuse to fight. The casualties run into the tens of thousands. Ukraine is quickly running out of tanks and APCs, which are all old Soviet-era and have been rusting for decades. It appears that Ukraine no longer has an air force at all. The war is far from over, but now, for the first time, LPR and DPR actually have something resembling an army, and that army is going on attack. Once the Ukrainian military collapses altogether, it seems likely that other parts of Ukraine will declare independence from Kiev.

6. They want you to think that the government in Kiev is legitimate, popular and stable. In fact, there are huge protests going on in Kiev at this very moment. The entire country is beyond bankrupt and is falling apart in real time, not just in the east, but everywhere. The people are beyond angry. The military units retreating from the east are in a foul mood, and may soon decide to turn their weapons against those who ordered them into battle. The people are beyond angry, and it seems probable that another revolution, only half a year since the last one, is in the works.

Geeuw, is er iemand die in staat is verder dan 3 zinnen van deze Sovjet/Putin propaganda te lezen?

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Geeuw, is er iemand die in staat is verder dan 3 zinnen van deze Sovjet/Putin propaganda te lezen?

Dmitry Orlov is perfect engelstalig. Daarenboven :

Orlov was born in Saint Petersburg and moved to the United States at the age of 12. He has a BS in Computer Engineering and an MA in Applied Linguistics. BRON

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De nagel op de kop !

Het doel van deze niet in het geografisch hartland gesitueerden is om de opkomst van het hartland te breken. Simpele logica die al in voegen is sinds de opkomst van de Britse Imperiale thalassocratie. Het hartland is de natuurlijke wereldleider.

[Geert C]

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Opmerkelijk dat lieden, die zich objectief kunnen informeren met zulke drogredenen kunnen meegaan.

Ik hoop voor hem dat hij er op z'n minst voor betaald wordt.

[Vanguard]

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Het doel van deze niet in het geografisch hartland gesitueerden is om de opkomst van het hartland te breken. Simpele logica die al in voegen is sinds de opkomst van de Britse Imperiale thalassocratie. Het hartland is de natuurlijke wereldleider.

Volledig mee eens. Dat is de bottom line.