Soros mening over de euro

[Conscience]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door capper

Soros is een crimineel. Hij heeft altijd een geheime agenda. Het systeem laat toe dat mensen zoals hij teveel macht krijgen en daar maakt hij gretig gebruik van.

Ja, met 26 milliard dollar.

http://www.answers.com/topic/soros-fund-management-llc

De Opec verdient dit jaar 1.000 milliard dollar, zonder risico's te nemen, en publiceert geen enkele balans, zodat niemand weet wat ze met dat geld doen.

[kameleon]

Soros vergeet nog een crisis. Deze van het oprukkend nationalisme.
Vlaanderen zijn NVA, Amerika zijn theaparty, Finland met de Ware Finnen,....
Ook iets wat tijdens de Grote Depressie te onderscheiden was.

[Pelgrim]

Is dat een crisis? Dat is vooral het gevolg van een crisis. De globalisering is een ramp gebleken.

[Nr.10]

George Soros:

"the main enemy of the open society, I believe, is no longer the communist but the capitalist threat"

[Pelgrim]

Soros zelf dus?

[Nr.10]

Soros houdt niet op met een grote klep op te zetten.

'Euro-obligaties onvermijdelijk en Duitsland en China belangrijkste bondgenoten van de euro'
16 aug 2011

‘Duitsland moet de munt doen functioneren en heeft daarbij de hulp van China nodig. Dat land zal er alles aan doen om de Europese leiders die de euro willen behouden te helpen, omdat China een alternatief voor de dollar nodig heeft.’

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Een grootse crisis als rechtvaardiging om de Verenigde Staten van Europa te creëren

They Want A "United States Of Europe" But They Are Going To Need A Massive Financial Crisis In Order To Get It

Are we about to see a huge push for a "United States of Europe"? As the sovereign debt crisis in Europe continues to spiral out of control, suddenly this term is popping up in the New York Times and in major newspapers all over Europe. So is this by accident? Surely not. The truth is that there is an overwhelming consensus among the political and financial elite of Europe that a "United States of Europe" is what would be best for the eurozone. However, they are likely going to need a massive financial crisis in order to reach their goal. Right now, the citizens of the countries that make up the eurozone are overwhelmingly against deeper European integration. Without experiencing a massive amount of financial pain, they are unlikely to change their minds any time soon. So who is going to win in the end? Unfortunately, the clock is ticking because Greece is on the verge of defaulting on their debts and several other countries are not that far behind. If Europe does not decide on a course of action soon, the euro is going to collapse and financial institutions all over Europe are going to come crashing down.

Up until now, EU leaders have been handling this crisis by putting out one fire after another. This has been going on for a couple of years, but these bailouts cannot go on indefinitely. Instead of fixing things, "kicking the can down the road" has only delayed the pain and made things even worse.

The EU as it is currently structured simply does not work. The political will for more bailouts is rapidly drying up and politicians in Europe are only going to be able to "extend and pretend" for a little while longer.

Something needs to be done.

But instead of admitting that the euro was a massive mistake and returning to national currencies, most of the top politicians in Europe believe that "more Europe" is the answer.

Mario Draghi, the incoming head of the European Central Bank, is totally convinced that Europe needs to integrate much more deeply....

“To cope with this, we must have a treaty change. The aim of this effort should be a quantum leap up in European economic and political integration.”

Do you notice that he is not just advocating small changes in the way that Europe works. What Draghi wants is "a quantum leap" in European integration.

His predecessor feels the same way. Jean-Claude Trichet, the departing head of the European Central Bank, is also very much in favor of much deeper European integration....

"The crisis has clearly revealed the need for strong economic governance in a zone with a single currency"

Of course one of the biggest proponents of a "United States of Europe" has been Herman van Rompuy. In a recent article, the Telegraph made the following eye-catching statement....

Herman van Rompuy is ready to run for a second term as EU president, at the head of a “United States of Europe”

Of course he would not be doing it for "personal glory". In the same article, he is quoted as saying he wants another term because "the work is not finished" and that he needs new powers in order to get it done....

Mr Van Rompuy has announced he is willing to take on the “unfinished” euro zone debt crisis with new powers setting an “economic government” in Brussels.

Top politicians in the UK are even promoting the idea of much deeper European integration. Even though he insists that Britain will not join the euro, UK Prime Minister David Cameron is now publicly endorsing the idea that the eurozone form a "United States of Europe" in order to save the euro according to a recent article in the Daily Mail....

David Cameron was branded an EU ‘enthusiast’ by Tory Eurosceptics last night as he said Britain must let eurozone countries move towards a United States of Europe with a common economic policy.

The Prime Minister admitted he was not sure whether Germany and other countries had the political will to prevent a break-up of the single currency, but insisted they must be allowed to try – even if that meant closer integration.

It is funny how whenever there is a crisis in Europe, the answer that we are always given is that "more Europe" is the answer.

For example, Antonio Borges, director of the International Monetary Fund’s European unit, recently stated the following....

...The last thing that the people of Europe need to do is to give the EU more power.

But that is exactly what the elite of Europe want.

They want a "United States of Europe".

And they may just be willing to allow a massive financial crisis to happen in order to get it.

americandream

Of zal het via referendum beslist worden ?

De Verenigde Staten van Europa, een oud gedachtengoed

Main article: Pre-1945 ideas on European unity

Various versions of the concept have developed over the centuries, many of which are mutually incompatible (inclusion or exclusion of the United Kingdom; secular or religious union, etc.). Such proposals include those from King George of Podebrady of Bohemia in 1464; the Duc de Sully of France in the seventeenth century; and the plan of William Penn, the Quaker founder of Pennsylvania, for the establishment of an "European Dyet, Parliament or Estates."

George Washington wrote to the Marquis de La Fayette: "One day, on the model of the United States of America, a United States of Europe will come into being."
...
wikipedia

FOXbusiness: De Verenigde Staten van Europa valt uit elkaar

Emac's Bottom Line
Breakup of the United States of Europe

By Elizabeth MacDonald

Published September 12, 2011

We are now witnessing the beginning stages of the break up of the United States of Europe, as Greece’s recent attempt to raise more money via a bond auction came up short.

That means the U.S. Federal Reserve may see more action with its euro-dollar swap lines.
In fact, the Fed has kept open its dollar swap lines, renewing them in June until August 2012. The way it works is, a foreign bank in Europe sells a slug of its euros to the Federal Reserve in exchange for dollars -- the foreign bank then agrees to repurchase its currency on a specified future date. This is literally dollar printing.

The United States of Europe was always a rickety construct, with no single Treasury Dept. and no single tax collector to back it, just the Triple-A ratings of countries like Germany and France.
Europe can’t get its act together. Germany doesn’t want Eurobonds, which is effectively issuing more debt to fix a debt crisis, because those bonds would push up Germany’s borrowing costs, plus ruin its Triple-A rating.

Surveys show Germans are fed up with the Eurozone, they ask, “Why should we pay when others break the rules? Why hasn’t Greece been booted out already for cheating?”

After all, Great Britain was (thankfully) booted out of the European exchange rate mechanism in 1992 after it couldn’t keep the sterling above its agreed limit -- that’s when financier George Soros made an estimated $1 billion shorting the sterling.

Meanwhile, German businessmen now want to break the euro into a northern and southern currency. The northern quadrant would have all of Europe’s Triple-A countries. (S&P still has a triple-A rating on Austria, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, and Luxembourg.)

Have faith, though, we’ve seen sovereign debt crises before, in Mexico, Russia, Asia and Argentina. This is a slow motion crisis that the market is pricing in. Expect more bank turmoil through next year.
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foxbusiness

Cameron pro VSE ? Waarom Europa de Verenigde Staten van Europa moet worden...

Why Eurozone should become United States of Europe, by David Cameron

Mr Cameron insisted he was a ‘practical Eurosceptic’ – but warned of economic disaster for Britain if the euro is allowed to collapse.


dailymail

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Resultaat poll, uit vorig artikel van de Daily Mail

Do you want to see a United States of Europe?
No84%
Yes16%
Thank you for voting

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Financial Crisis
Germany and Greece flirt with mutual assured destruction
Bild Zeitung populism has prevailed. Germany is pushing Greece towards a hard default, risking the uncontrollable chain reaction so long feared by markets.

telegraph

[Nr.10]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door zonbron

Een grootse crisis als rechtvaardiging om de Verenigde Staten van Europa te creëren.

De EU zal nooit in die richting evolueren. Dat is gewoon onmogelijk.

[AsGard_SGO]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door corse

· De kwaliteit van een samenleving bestaat niet uit het aantal miljonairs, maar hoe men omgaat met zwakken, armen, ouderen, jongeren, kinderen, gezondheidszorg, werklozen, gepensioneerden, natuur en met de medemens in het algemeen.

· Wanneer de meeste mensen in een samenleving sociaal en financieel armer worden en het milieu verloederd, dan kan je echt geen goede punten geven aan deze beschavingvorm, minstens moet toch een meerderheid van de mensen het beter krijgen en de natuur moet zich kunnen herstellen, wat nu niet het geval is.

· We moeten individualiteit (daar waar het moet) ondergeschikt maken aan het collectieve belang van het ‘overleven’ van de beschaving en het welzijn van ieder individu op onze planeet.

Welke ideologie ook, al wie de menselijke waarden misbruikt moeten we blijven bestrijden.

Het is niet bestrijden dat we moeten doen, we moeten omvormen, anders gaan denken en ver buiten de kaers waarin we vandaag de dag denken door indoctrinatie van een stervende beschaving.

[Nr.10]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door AsGard_SGO

Het is niet bestrijden dat we moeten doen, we moeten omvormen, anders gaan denken en ver buiten de kaers waarin we vandaag de dag denken door indoctrinatie van een stervende beschaving.

Eerst moeten we nog door een stationaire fase.

[AsGard_SGO]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Nr.10

Eerst moeten we nog door een stationaire fase.

Ik ga niet pretenderen juist te kunnen zeggen waar we nu zitten maar het moet volgens mij ergens minstens op het einde van de stationaire lijn zijn, of ergens midden de knip naar beneden.

[patrickve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Nr.10

De EU zal nooit in die richting evolueren. Dat is gewoon onmogelijk.

... achtergrondmuziek van Star Wars, volume II ...

[zonbron]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Nr.10

Eerst moeten we nog door een stationaire fase.

[zonbron]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door patrickve

... achtergrondmuziek van Star Wars, volume II ...

[Johan Bollen]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Nr.10

De EU zal nooit in die richting evolueren. Dat is gewoon onmogelijk.

De druk vanuit de VS zit er wel op. Zo maken individuele staten nu gasleveringscontracten met Rusland (Duitsland, Italië,...). De VS willen dat dat door de EU geregeld wordt (waar bemoeien ze zich eigenlijk mee, maar inderdaad) omdat ze het dan gemakkelijker kunnen boycotten.

O, en blijkbaar zit er dat dus aan te komen.