NAVO barst: Erdogan koleirig op de VS

[Johan Bollen]

Gezien het Syrische Iraanse defensie pact zal een Turkse/Saoudische invasie van Syrie (met VS steun op de achtergrond; zonder doen ze het niet) onvermeidelijk leiden tot een Iraanse interventie.

De Turken hebben een excuus nodig. Iets 'humanitairs' werkt altijd goed bij een verdwaasd publiek.

[Johan Bollen]

Of een chemische aanval:

“We have a number of instances where ISIL has used chemical munitions on the battlefield,” the CIA chief told CBS. “There are reports that ISIL has access to chemical precursors and munitions that they can use.”

According to the CIA, the terror group has the ability to manufacture small quantities of chlorine and mustard gas, and has shown willingness to use them in battle.

Ergens in Aleppo. Assad kan de schuld krijgen en we zijn vertrokken.

We staan of voor een vredesproces of voor een uitbreiding van de oorlog.

[Johan Bollen]

Waarom Turkije Syrië bombardeert. Supply lines voor IS open houden.

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Rusland en Iran zetten in op vergaande militaire samenwerking:

RT - Today
18:01 GMT
Russia and Iran to boost military cooperation

Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu has met with Iranian Defense Minister Brigadier General Hossein Dehqan in Moscow. The two parties discussed the implementation of a military cooperation agreement signed last year, pledged to develop military cooperation between the countries, and exchanged their views on current security issues in the Middle East and Central Asia. Shoigu said the meeting would contribute to further improving “friendly relations” between Russia and Iran, and added the efficiency of Russian and Iranian counter-terror measures would depend on the implementation of bilateral agreements.

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[Boduo]

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Rusland en Iran zetten in op vergaande militaire samenwerking:

RT - Today
18:01 GMT
Russia and Iran to boost military cooperation

Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu has met with Iranian Defense Minister Brigadier General Hossein Dehqan in Moscow. The two parties discussed the implementation of a military cooperation agreement signed last year, pledged to develop military cooperation between the countries, and exchanged their views on current security issues in the Middle East and Central Asia. Shoigu said the meeting would contribute to further improving “friendly relations” between Russia and Iran, and added the efficiency of Russian and Iranian counter-terror measures would depend on the implementation of bilateral agreements.

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Dit is niet meer schaken maar pokeren. Bluff-poker.

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Hondsdolle Erdogan wil een 'veiligheidszone' van wel 10km op Syrisch grondgebied langsheen de Trukse grens. Azaz zou binnen die zone komen te liggen...

Erdogan belooft de Koerden en het Syrische leger te blijven bestoken met mortiervuur en vraagt de VS om een gezamelijke invasie van Syrie...

Blabla... en bla...

Turkey wants to create a secure zone 10km within Syria, which would include the town of Azaz, Deputy Prime Minister Yalcin Akdogan stated, as cited by Reuters. The move comes after Ankara’s shelling of Syrian Kurds for four successive days.
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"What we want is to create a secure strip, including Azaz, 10km deep inside Syria and this zone should be free from clashes," Akdogan said in an interview on Turkey's AHaber television station, Reuters reports.

https://www.rt.com/news/332718-turke...re-line-syria/

[TheFourHorsemen]

Tien kilometer over de Syrische grens... Hij denkt zich dus eventjes de helft van Syrisch-Koerdistan toe te eigenen.

[Hypochonder]

Dictator/manipulator Erdogan kan het natuurlijk niet hebben dat hij de Koerden niet zomaar kapot kan bombarderen. De conflicten binnen Syrië zijn ondertussen ontelbaar geworden: Turkije tegen de Koerden, Rusland tegen de rebellen, IS tegen Assad, Assad tegen zijn eigen bevolking, de VS en hun vriendjes tegen IS, de rebellen tegen Assad,...

Men zegt dikwijls 'als de oorlog in Syrië gedaan is...' Dit zal zo snel nog niet gedaan zijn, dat weet ik wel zeker.

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Dictator/manipulator Erdogan kan het natuurlijk niet hebben dat hij de Koerden niet zomaar kapot kan bombarderen. De conflicten binnen Syrië zijn ondertussen ontelbaar geworden: Turkije tegen de Koerden, Rusland tegen de rebellen, IS tegen Assad, Assad tegen zijn eigen bevolking, de VS en hun vriendjes tegen IS, de rebellen tegen Assad,...

Men zegt dikwijls 'als de oorlog in Syrië gedaan is...' Dit zal zo snel nog niet gedaan zijn, dat weet ik wel zeker.

Eens het vijandige gedeelde in Aleppo afgesneden is van de buitenwereld kan men ze gewoon uithongeren en af en toe wat uitroken.

Raqqa zelfde scenario. Syrische militairen hebben toevoerwegen de laatste dagen reeds afgesneden. Het SAA staat reeds klaar in provinvie Raqqa. Het zou wel eens snel kunnen gaan, zolang Recep zich koest houdt.

[parcifal]

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Iets 'humanitairs' werkt altijd goed bij een verdwaasd publiek.

Klopt, dat hebben we gezien bij de reacties hier op het forum betreffende de 'humanitairekonvooien' van rusland naar Donbass vorig jaar.
Tot bleek dat die mooie witte vrachtwagens quasi leeg toekwamen en een paar industriele productielijnen hebben teruggevoerd richting moskou.
Blijkbaar staan die oekrainese productielijnen nu te draaien in novosibirsk.

Maar russen die mogen dat, he, johan? Die stelen nooit.

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Turkije eist steun van de VS:

Ankara has urged Washington to unconditionally support the expansion of its battle against the terror threat, in particular Kurdish militias, warning that those hindering Turkey’s right to self-defense will be considered terrorists and acted upon accordingly.
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“The only thing we expect from our US ally is to support Turkey with no ifs or buts,” Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told a news conference after a five-hour security meeting with cabinet and state officials.

Following the car bomb attack on a military convoy in Ankara this week which left 28 people dead, a breakaway faction of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) claimed responsibility for the attack, and Turkey has vowed to intensify its fight against the Kurds both at home and in Syria.

“If 28 Turkish lives have been claimed through a terrorist attack we can only expect them [the US] to say any threat against Turkey is a threat against them,” Davutoglu stated.

Turkey in the meantime views all Kurdish militia that are also spread widely throughout Syria and Iraq as a direct national threat. Following on his earlier promise this week Recep Tayyip Erdogan has once again reiterated on Saturday that Turkey will strike Kurds everywhere.

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“Turkey will use its right to expand its rules of engagement beyond [responding to] actual attacks against it and to encompass all terror threats, including PYD and Daesh in particular,” Erdogan said at a UNESCO meeting in Istanbul.

Furthermore, Erdogan warned that those opposing Ankara’s fight with the Kurds will be deemed as “terrorist” by the Turkish state.

“Whoever prevents us from using our right of self-defense, we will recognize it as a terrorist and act accordingly,” he added.

Turkey’s presidential spokesman meanwhile said that supporting YPG in Syria against the Islamic State is making the situation worse.

“Those who are supporting terrorist groups in the name of fighting Daesh are only contributing to an already-worsening situation,” Ibrahim Kalin said in an opinion piece in Turkey’s Daily Sabah newspaper.

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Ankara was not happy then, and it is certainly not happy today. For all Erdogan’s democratic grand-standing and admonitions of civil liberties, the Turkish president has little patience when it comes to the Kurds and their insistent calls for self-rule. Like so many imperialists in disguise, Ankara’s leadership only recognizes its sovereignty, and its rights… those of others simply need annihilating – as demonstrated by Mr Erdogan’s furious campaign against the Kurds… in Syria.

You read that correctly: Turkey is running a grand trans-national campaign against the Kurds, oblivious to the fact that its actions stand not only in violation of international law, but in negation of its own call for the assertion of its national integrity. What about Syria’s territorial sovereignty? What about those war crimes and human rights violations Mr Erdogan committed, and is committing by pursuing military interventionism outside his borders?

But here is where Erdogan’s Turkey really gets tangled up in a political fit - for all its plotting and conniving, Ankara could not derail Washington’s support for the Kurds in their stand against ISIS. More troubling still, the US actually considers the Kurds a viable ally in what is shaping up to be the next Middle East political make up. How troublesome indeed for Mr Erdogan to see that Washington stands by his appointed nemesis – hence its desire to discredit all Kurds by aligning them with terrorism.

Needless to say that the same logic has applied towards Russia and Russia’s position in the Middle East – essentially its desire to lay waste to Wahhabi-inspired terrorism to restore order in the region.
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© Khalil Ashawi No strategic divide between US & Turkey – only a division of labor

Let’s get real here, Turkey’s issues with Russia’s actions in Syria are rooted in geo-political self-advancement and neo-imperialism. In Ankara’s eyes, or rather Erdogan’s eyes, ISIS is merely a platform upon which to project his ambitions and powers – never mind how many people will have to die along the way, or the horrors such a policy will allow to manifest on the ground.

A promoter of terror in NATO’s clothing, Turkey has become a devolution unto itself, and an Orwellian punchline.

A dangerous political liability, Erdogan would love nothing more but to bend realities to its will by painting ISIS militants as angelic forces of good against the terrible evil of Russia’s lawful rationale.

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https://www.rt.com/op-edge/333125-sy...gan-terrorist/

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Van Hitler tot Erdogan, Israelische pers waarschuwt:

From Hitler to Erdogan: Liberal Passivity in the Face of Another Rising Fascist Empire
http://www.jpost.com/Blogs/Critique/...I5QTRERkNDNDQ=

Had Hitler been confronted in Spain, the world could have been spared World War II, saving many millions of lives both in Germany and elsewhere. Instead, international passivity in the face of Hitler’s aggressions in Spain from 1936 to 1938 emboldened him to invade the rest of Europe and launch his genocidal campaigns. Today, 80 years on, Erdogan is building a similar fascist front, and the revolution in North and West Kurdistan stands alone in its uncompromising opposition to that Neo-Ottoman project.



In 1936, the fate of the anarcho-communist revolution against fascists and nationalists led by Franco was met with similar indifference on the part of foreign governments. The struggling republic, which was born after the fall of the monarchy only five years prior, had the sympathy of liberal governments in the West (with the exception of some Catholic and conservative fractions that sympathized with the nationalists), but it was a cowardly sympathy completely lacking in action.



Progressive intellectuals around the world recognized that the Spanish Civil War would be a turning point in history, that it was the last hope to stop fascism from spreading to all of Europe. Yet, in spite of the tens of thousands of volunteers who joined the International Brigades, not a single Western government came to the aid of the poorly-armed revolutionaries. This continued even as Hitler and Mussolini ordered warplanes to bombard Barcelona and Madrid on daily bases and openly shipped weaponry and troops to bolster Franco’s forces. As the Munich Agreement proved, as late as October 1938, France and Britain were still trying to avoid any confrontation with Hitler, preferring to submit to his bullying politics.



Today’s Middle East and North Africa share striking parallels with late 1930s Europe. It is a region teeming with fascism, albeit of an Islamist persuasion, and at the very heart there is again a powerful populist leader with a deadly vision for the world.



Notwithstanding the influence of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, Erdogan is for Sunni Islamism what Hitler was for fascism. Turkey under Erdogan has been the single most powerful ally of Sunni Islamists from the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas to Al-Nusra and the Islamic State. Moreover, Erdogan’s popularity among Sunni Islamists of all backgrounds exceeds that of any other populist leader, and, to make things worse, his agenda has gone largely unnoticed, especially amidst the chaos in Iraq and Syria.



While Kurds and their allied progressive forces struggle to stop this rise of Islamism, the West has done little more than yield to Erdogan’s bullying politics with bad faith, hoping that he would one day stop supporting the Islamic State and other Islamist forces. Passive solidarity or sympathy alone will not enable Kurds and allied forces to stop Islamists in Syria. This is particularly the case given that Turkey, with the silent approval of NATO, continues to use all its power to destroy Kurds in both Turkey and Syria, just as Nazi Germany was directly involved in suppressing the ant-fascist revolution in Spain.



If the world remains reluctant to stop Erdogan, the impending disaster will indeed be comparable to World War II. While his two-faced politics with the liberal West – again resembling those of Hitler from 1936 to 1938 – continue for the time being, Erdogan’s imperialist Caliphate is already taking shape. At the same time, his politics of blackmailing the European Union with the refugee crisis and the United States with the prospect of (largely unmaterialized) support in the war on the Islamic State have proven extremely effective.

Erdogan intends to establish an Islamist empire by 2023, and if the popular support he enjoys at present is any indication, the coming empire will have the backing of the vast majority of Sunni Islamists. Turkey’s genocidal campaign against Kurds is therefore just the beginning. With time, the world will no doubt realize that Erdogan is a fatal threat to international peace; unfortunately, however, it will likely be too late. Just as world leaders were too late in putting a stop to Hitler in 1939, just as they failed to support Catalonian, Basque, and Spanish progressives, not to mention Jews, the world today stands idly by as the revolutionaries in Kurdistan confront NATO’s second largest army.

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Eens het vijandige gedeelde in Aleppo afgesneden is van de buitenwereld kan men ze gewoon uithongeren en af en toe wat uitroken.

Raqqa zelfde scenario. Syrische militairen hebben toevoerwegen de laatste dagen reeds afgesneden. Het SAA staat reeds klaar in provinvie Raqqa. Het zou wel eens snel kunnen gaan, zolang Recep zich koest houdt.

Recep Erdogan kijkt de kat uit de boom.
Onthou: het modern Turks leger beschikt over +/- 800.000 man en +/- 400.000 man reserve.
Het heeft moderne duikboten, ultramoderne straaljagers en tanks om U tegen te zeggen.

[kelt]

Meneer Erdogan heeft zich in amper een jaar tijd de vijandschap verworven van de Syrische Koerden,De PKK(er was een wapenstilstand met de restjes van de PKK,totdat hij aan de macht kwam...remember),de Syrische regering,de Russen,IS,en mogelijk straks ook de Hezbollah en Iran....En ik kan me niet voorstellen dat er onder de Turken zelf,en al zeker bij "Kemalisten" geen groeiende afkeer aan het ontstaan is...

Geen enkele van die conflicten(buiten de IS-kwestie) was eigenlijk voor iets nodig...

We krijgen ook een indruk van "dubbel spel" aangaande IS,AQ en consoorten...

Het kan als regeringsprestatie tellen.

[Boduo]

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Meneer Erdogan heeft zich in amper een jaar tijd de vijandschap verworven van de Syrische Koerden,De PKK(er was een wapenstilstand met de restjes van de PKK,totdat hij aan de macht kwam...remember),de Syrische regering,de Russen,IS,en mogelijk straks ook de Hezbollah en Iran....En ik kan me niet voorstellen dat er onder de Turken zelf,en al zeker bij "Kemalisten" geen groeiende afkeer aan het ontstaan is...

Geen enkele van die conflicten(buiten de IS-kwestie) was eigenlijk voor iets nodig...

We krijgen ook een indruk van "dubbel spel" aangaande IS,AQ en consoorten...

Het kan als regeringsprestatie tellen.

Wij worden hoofdzakelijk ingelicht door persagentschappen die gecontroleerd worden door Joodse kapitalisten...

[djoebidoebidoe]

http://www.todayszaman.com/monday-talk_cevikozturkey-about-to-create-its-gaza-in-immediate-neighborhood_412881.html

Interessant interview over de situatie in Turkije.

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door djoebidoebidoe

http://www.todayszaman.com/monday-talk_cevikozturkey-about-to-create-its-gaza-in-immediate-neighborhood_412881.html

Interessant interview over de situatie in Turkije.

Interessant interview.

http://www.todayszaman.com/monday-ta...od_412881.html

Bedankt.

[Yarisken]

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Recep Erdogan kijkt de kat uit de boom.
Onthou: het modern Turks leger beschikt over +/- 800.000 man en +/- 400.000 man reserve.
Het heeft moderne duikboten, ultramoderne straaljagers en tanks om U tegen te zeggen.

Het Turkse leger staat niet te springen om Syrië binnen te vallen en te gaan vechten tegen de Russen. Grootste deel van het leger is seculier en heeft een hekel aan Erdogan.

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Yarisken

Het Turkse leger staat niet te springen om Syrië binnen te vallen en te gaan vechten tegen de Russen. Grootste deel van het leger is seculier en heeft een hekel aan Erdogan.

Een hekel aan Erdogan...Had een hekel...enz.
Het machtig Turks leger is een element waarmee "men" moet rekening houden.

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Genomen uit een relevant topic:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Reverberation

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...is-turkey-link

https://www.rt.com/news/333359-turke...ary-cooperate/

Benieuwd welke journalisten nu weer worden opgesloten door Erdokwal nu zijn banden met IS nog maar eens boven water komen.

Further proof of ties between the Turkish military and Islamic State fighters operating on the Syrian-Turkish border has been revealed in the Cumhuriyet newspaper, which published more transcripts of telephone calls between the jihadists and officers.

The documents are said to come from an ongoing court case on Islamic State at the Ankara 3rd High Criminal Court. The investigation was reportedly prompted after six Turkish citizens reported to police that their relatives had joined the terrorists. At least 19 people came under surveillance as a result and prosecutors then charged 27 individuals. The daily published the first batch in December.

The new transcripts published by the daily Monday are said to be conversations between Turkish officers and Mustafa Demir, a member of Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIL/ISIS) who is a leading figure on the Syrian-Turkish border.

“The transcripts and the documents in the investigation revealed that Demir received money… from smugglers at the border and cooperated with the officers as far as [border] crossings are concerned,”Cumhuriyet said.


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Lees ook: http://www.todayszaman.com/national_...il_412973.html