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PollyCorrect · 27 september 2007, 08:26

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goh, hoe spitsvondig!

Ik zie zijn fans nog steeds niks spitsvondigs zeggen hoor behalve dat ie 2 diploma's heeft

PollyCorrect · 27 september 2007, 08:27

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And then you want the answer the way you want to hear it. Well, this isn't really a free flow of information. I'm just telling you where I -- what my position is. (Applause.)

Ja, gewoon niet op de vraag antwoorden en zeggen dat dat deel uitmaakt van zijn recht op vrije meningsuiting - waarvan hij op slinkse wijze van profiteert in de USA. Goed hoor. Zo slim! Klap klap!

parcifal · 27 september 2007, 08:29

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Ik zie zijn fans nog steeds niks spitsvondigs zeggen hoor behalve dat ie 2 diploma's heeft

Welke partij reikt de hand uit, gaat in discussie en vraagt zelfs een debat tussen de presidenten?

En welke partij dreigt met een militaire interventie en oorlogsgeweld en ontwijkt elk debat. (de vs-delegatie verliet zelfs de zaal tijdens de toespraak van Ahmadinejad voor de VN)?

Hoe praat je dat goed?

PollyCorrect · 27 september 2007, 08:44

Hier heb je een artikel van je vrienden van Al Jazeera:

Ahmadinejad: Wipe Israel off map

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map.

Ahmadinejad addressed students at a conference

"The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," the president told a conference in Tehran on Wednesday, entitled The World without Zionism.

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said.

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.

His comments were the first time in years that such a high-ranking Iranian official has called for Israel's eradication, even though such slogans are still regularly used at government
rallies.

http://english.aljazeera.net/English...rchiveId=15816

He's in total denial (en met hem een paar anderen) en dat weten de Amerikanen en de Israeli's.

Ook noemde hij de Holocaust een mythe:

Iranian leader: Holocaust a 'myth'

Thursday, December 15, 2005 Posted: 0030 GMT (0830 HKT)

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Manage Alerts | What Is This? TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has described the Holocaust as "a myth" and suggested that Israel be moved to Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska.

The United States, Israel and the European Commission -- along with individual European countries -- have condemned the remark.

Ahmadinejad sparked widespread international condemnation in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Last week, he also expressed doubt about the killing by the Nazis of six million Jews during World War II, but Wednesday was the first occasion when he said in public that the Holocaust was a myth.

"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets," Ahmadinejad said in a speech to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan, according to a report on Wednesday from Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.

"The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets," he said. "(It) deals very severely with those who deny this myth but does not do anything to those who deny God, religion, and the prophet."

"If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel," Ahmadinejad said.

"Our question is, if you have committed this huge crime, why should the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime?"

Mark Regev, spokesman for Israel's Foreign Ministry, said: "The combination of a regime with a radical agenda, together with a distorted sense of reality that is clearly indicated by the statements we heard today, put together with nuclear weapons -- I think that's a dangerous combination that no one in the international community can accept."

"What the Iranian president has shown us today is that he is clearly outside the international consensus, he is clearly outside international norms and international legitimacy, and in so doing he has shown the Iranian government for what it is -- a rogue regime opposed to peace and stability and a threat to all its neighboring countries," Regev said.

In addition, Ahmadinejad spoke in Zahedan about Iran's nuclear program, maintaining it will insist on its right to develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.

"Those who themselves produce nuclear arms should not raise hue and cry against those who only want to gain access to nuclear technology for peaceful purposes," he said, according to a report from the Islamic Republic News Agency.

"Countries which have arsenals of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons which can be used against other countries at their whim and those who supplied the Baathist regime with (chemical) weapons that killed thousands of innocent Iranians ... now go to all lengths to block Iran from gaining access to peaceful nuclear technology," he said.

"We are sure they have criminal intentions, and there was never any doubt that they were piling weapons of mass destruction to be used against less powerful nations," Ahmadinejad said, according to the IRNA report.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/me...4/iran.israel/

Mensenrechten zijn sinds Mahmoed de dieperik nog méér ingegaan:

Human Rights in Iran - Iranian Human Rights Abuses

Overview: On February 11, 1979, the pro-Western Iranian constitutional monarchy was overthrown and the nation became the Islamic Republic of Iran, ruled by a non-elected religious Supreme Leader who is addressed as "Ayatollah." The population of Iran falls just under 70 million, with an average annual income equivalent to approximately US$8,000.
The State of Human Rights in Iran: Iran is ruled by religious fundamentalists who recognize no secular rule of law or traditional concept of natural rights. Although Iran technically holds elections (from a slate of candidates chosen by the Ayatollah), they wield only as much power as the Ayatollah chooses to grant at the time.

Zie de links op de site:

Iran: Outpost of Tyranny
"Elections" in Iran
Despotism in Iran
World Public Opinion Project: Iran
Speech, Press, and Assembly: Free speech, as such, does not exist in Iran. Human rights activists and other perceived agitators are subject to beatings, arrests, torture, and disappearance.
Iran Bans National Geographic Publications
Iran: Academic Sentence to Five Years in Jail
Philosopher: Enemy of the State in Iran
Religious Expression: The Islamic Republic of Iran is a religious institution with no secular concept of law. Those who convert from Islam to another faith may face execution for apostasy. Religious minorities are routinely subject to widespread persecution.
Iran: Boy Lashed for Breaking Ramadan Fast, Dies
Clerical Greed and Corruption in Iran
Judaism in Iran
Religious Dissent and Women in Iran
Women's Rights: In Iran, women can vote and run for Parliament and are not prohibited from traveling freely, but they are also subject to police beatings and torture for violating perceived social norms, are not protected from domestic violence, and are discriminated against in other subtle ways (such as inheritance law).
Iran Curbing Women's Rights
Iran: Police Violently Disperse Crowd Celebrating International Women's Day
Profile: Shadi Ghadirian
Fashion Crackdown in Iran
Gender Roles in Iran

Racism: Arabs (who make up 3%) of the population), Azeris (who make up 24%), and Kurds (who make up 7%) are frequently subject to racial profiling and mass arrests at cultural functions. Although there are very few Jews in Iran, vicious antisemitism is also a serious problem.
Iranian Film: "The World Without Zionism"
Iranian President Says Israel Must Be "Wiped Off the Map"
Beatings, Arrests, Torture, and Executions: Iranian police tend to respond to peaceful political demonstrations by viciously beating and arresting protesters, who are then subject to further beatings, torture, sexual assault, and denial of medical treatment in prison. Iran formally executed 94 prisoners in 2005, and many more died in prison under mysterious circumstances.
Iran: 13-Year-Old Girl Sentenced to Death for Incest
Iran: Gay Teens Executed by Hanging
Iran: "Unchaste" 16-Year-Old Girl Executed?
Iran Executing Mentally Ill Girls
Prognosis: Although Iran's democratic processes are circumvented by the theocratic government structure, the Ayatollah's power is rooted in the support he receives from large segments of the population. A substantial shift in public opinion, leading to the consistent election of reformist candidates, could result in the long-term liberalization of Iranian human rights policy.

This process seemed to be underway in 1997, when a surge of reformist voters--primarily women and young adult males--elected philosophy professor Mohammed Khatami, who was reelected in 2001. But Iran is more nationalist than it is reformist, and when conflict between the United States and Iran reached a fever pitch during the U.S.-led "war on terror," and the emerging possibility of a much more literal war between the United States and Iran, the Iranian people responded by reasserting more conservative Islamic values. This led to the election of anti-reformist candidate Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in 2005, along with the election of a clear conservative majority in Iran's parliament.

Ahmadinejad has been able to successfully antagonize Western nations, then exploit the resulting fear of a Western-led invasion in order to generate more political support. This self-sustaining process has further stonewalled the work of Iran's reformers, but whether or not it will function as an effective long-term political strategy remains to be seen.

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/int.../p/iran101.htm

parcifal · 27 september 2007, 08:50

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door PollyCorrect

Hier heb je een artikel van je vrienden van Al Jazeera:

Dat is geen antwoord op mijn vraag.

PollyCorrect · 27 september 2007, 08:52

Jij doet net als Mahmoed: niks zeggen, en alleen maar de vragen omkeren.

Ik ben benieuwd hoe dat zou zijn als jullie een onderonsje zouden hebben

parcifal · 27 september 2007, 08:55

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Jij doet net als Mahmoed: niks zeggen, en alleen maar de vragen omkeren.

Ik ben benieuwd hoe dat zou zijn als jullie een onderonsje zouden hebben

Ik heb dit gezegd :

Citaat:

Welke partij reikt de hand uit, gaat in discussie en vraagt zelfs een debat tussen de presidenten?

En welke partij dreigt met een militaire interventie en oorlogsgeweld en ontwijkt elk debat. (de vs-delegatie verliet zelfs de zaal tijdens de toespraak van Ahmadinejad voor de VN)?

Hoe praat je dat goed?

En ik noteer dat je geen antwoord kan of wil geven, behalve wat oude propaganda uit de kast halen.

illwill · 27 september 2007, 10:00

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Ja? uw punt hier? Ook hier ontkent hij de hollocaust niet, hij vraagt zich echter wel af waarom verder onderzoek niet mag. Allé, da's één van de vragen die hij heeft. Vind je het geen terechte vraag?

Als hij het niet ontkende zou hij ook geen verder onderzoek willen.

Gun · 27 september 2007, 13:09

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Als hij het niet ontkende zou hij ook geen verder onderzoek willen.

En hier gaan we weer ...

Gun · 27 september 2007, 13:10

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Er zijn er hier zeker evenveel(wellicht meer) aanwezig die geen kritiek kunnen geven op de kleine prutser uit Iran als op de grote prutser uit de VS.

?

lezer · 27 september 2007, 21:25

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"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.

Ongelofelijk dat er nog altijd zijn die met deze moedwillig verkeerde vertaling durven afkomen!
Dan moet ge toch echt uwe kop in't zand hebben gestoken omtrent dit thema afgelopen jaar.

Nee, ik ga de correcte vertaling niet meer geven. Reeds vaak genoeg gepasseerd op dit forum.
Google zelf maar een beetje.

Dit alles zonder al te veel sympathie voor het Iraanse regime, maar de propaganda gaat toch echt wel te ver.

Raven · 27 september 2007, 22:12

Proficiat voor de Iraanse President die fantastisch weerwerk heeft geboden aan de laag-bij-de-grondse aanvallen & "ambush" van die universiteit.

Gun · 29 september 2007, 20:25

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Dat dacht Mike Wallace ook: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZDLkLq5MXs

27 september 2007, 08:44	#24
PollyCorrect Perm. Vertegenwoordiger VN Geregistreerd: 11 april 2004 Berichten: 11.718	Hier heb je een artikel van je vrienden van Al Jazeera: Ahmadinejad: Wipe Israel off map Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map. Ahmadinejad addressed students at a conference "The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," the president told a conference in Tehran on Wednesday, entitled The World without Zionism. "The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said. "As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini. His comments were the first time in years that such a high-ranking Iranian official has called for Israel's eradication, even though such slogans are still regularly used at government rallies. http://english.aljazeera.net/English...rchiveId=15816 He's in total denial (en met hem een paar anderen) en dat weten de Amerikanen en de Israeli's. Ook noemde hij de Holocaust een mythe: Iranian leader: Holocaust a 'myth' Thursday, December 15, 2005 Posted: 0030 GMT (0830 HKT) RELATED • U.N. condemns remarks • Germany warns Iran • Iran leader: Move Israel to Europe • Iranian leader: Wipe out Israel YOUR E-MAIL ALERTS Iran Israel Holocaust or Create Your Own Manage Alerts \| What Is This? TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has described the Holocaust as "a myth" and suggested that Israel be moved to Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska. The United States, Israel and the European Commission -- along with individual European countries -- have condemned the remark. Ahmadinejad sparked widespread international condemnation in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map." Last week, he also expressed doubt about the killing by the Nazis of six million Jews during World War II, but Wednesday was the first occasion when he said in public that the Holocaust was a myth. "They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets," Ahmadinejad said in a speech to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan, according to a report on Wednesday from Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting. "The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets," he said. "(It) deals very severely with those who deny this myth but does not do anything to those who deny God, religion, and the prophet." "If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel," Ahmadinejad said. "Our question is, if you have committed this huge crime, why should the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime?" Mark Regev, spokesman for Israel's Foreign Ministry, said: "The combination of a regime with a radical agenda, together with a distorted sense of reality that is clearly indicated by the statements we heard today, put together with nuclear weapons -- I think that's a dangerous combination that no one in the international community can accept." "What the Iranian president has shown us today is that he is clearly outside the international consensus, he is clearly outside international norms and international legitimacy, and in so doing he has shown the Iranian government for what it is -- a rogue regime opposed to peace and stability and a threat to all its neighboring countries," Regev said. In addition, Ahmadinejad spoke in Zahedan about Iran's nuclear program, maintaining it will insist on its right to develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. "Those who themselves produce nuclear arms should not raise hue and cry against those who only want to gain access to nuclear technology for peaceful purposes," he said, according to a report from the Islamic Republic News Agency. "Countries which have arsenals of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons which can be used against other countries at their whim and those who supplied the Baathist regime with (chemical) weapons that killed thousands of innocent Iranians ... now go to all lengths to block Iran from gaining access to peaceful nuclear technology," he said. "We are sure they have criminal intentions, and there was never any doubt that they were piling weapons of mass destruction to be used against less powerful nations," Ahmadinejad said, according to the IRNA report. http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/me...4/iran.israel/ Mensenrechten zijn sinds Mahmoed de dieperik nog méér ingegaan: Human Rights in Iran - Iranian Human Rights Abuses Overview: On February 11, 1979, the pro-Western Iranian constitutional monarchy was overthrown and the nation became the Islamic Republic of Iran, ruled by a non-elected religious Supreme Leader who is addressed as "Ayatollah." The population of Iran falls just under 70 million, with an average annual income equivalent to approximately US$8,000. The State of Human Rights in Iran: Iran is ruled by religious fundamentalists who recognize no secular rule of law or traditional concept of natural rights. Although Iran technically holds elections (from a slate of candidates chosen by the Ayatollah), they wield only as much power as the Ayatollah chooses to grant at the time. Zie de links op de site: Iran: Outpost of Tyranny "Elections" in Iran Despotism in Iran World Public Opinion Project: Iran Speech, Press, and Assembly: Free speech, as such, does not exist in Iran. Human rights activists and other perceived agitators are subject to beatings, arrests, torture, and disappearance. Iran Bans National Geographic Publications Iran: Academic Sentence to Five Years in Jail Philosopher: Enemy of the State in Iran Religious Expression: The Islamic Republic of Iran is a religious institution with no secular concept of law. Those who convert from Islam to another faith may face execution for apostasy. Religious minorities are routinely subject to widespread persecution. Iran: Boy Lashed for Breaking Ramadan Fast, Dies Clerical Greed and Corruption in Iran Judaism in Iran Religious Dissent and Women in Iran Women's Rights: In Iran, women can vote and run for Parliament and are not prohibited from traveling freely, but they are also subject to police beatings and torture for violating perceived social norms, are not protected from domestic violence, and are discriminated against in other subtle ways (such as inheritance law). Iran Curbing Women's Rights Iran: Police Violently Disperse Crowd Celebrating International Women's Day Profile: Shadi Ghadirian Fashion Crackdown in Iran Gender Roles in Iran Racism: Arabs (who make up 3%) of the population), Azeris (who make up 24%), and Kurds (who make up 7%) are frequently subject to racial profiling and mass arrests at cultural functions. Although there are very few Jews in Iran, vicious antisemitism is also a serious problem. Iranian Film: "The World Without Zionism" Iranian President Says Israel Must Be "Wiped Off the Map" Beatings, Arrests, Torture, and Executions: Iranian police tend to respond to peaceful political demonstrations by viciously beating and arresting protesters, who are then subject to further beatings, torture, sexual assault, and denial of medical treatment in prison. Iran formally executed 94 prisoners in 2005, and many more died in prison under mysterious circumstances. Iran: 13-Year-Old Girl Sentenced to Death for Incest Iran: Gay Teens Executed by Hanging Iran: "Unchaste" 16-Year-Old Girl Executed? Iran Executing Mentally Ill Girls Prognosis: Although Iran's democratic processes are circumvented by the theocratic government structure, the Ayatollah's power is rooted in the support he receives from large segments of the population. A substantial shift in public opinion, leading to the consistent election of reformist candidates, could result in the long-term liberalization of Iranian human rights policy. This process seemed to be underway in 1997, when a surge of reformist voters--primarily women and young adult males--elected philosophy professor Mohammed Khatami, who was reelected in 2001. But Iran is more nationalist than it is reformist, and when conflict between the United States and Iran reached a fever pitch during the U.S.-led "war on terror," and the emerging possibility of a much more literal war between the United States and Iran, the Iranian people responded by reasserting more conservative Islamic values. This led to the election of anti-reformist candidate Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in 2005, along with the election of a clear conservative majority in Iran's parliament. Ahmadinejad has been able to successfully antagonize Western nations, then exploit the resulting fear of a Western-led invasion in order to generate more political support. This self-sustaining process has further stonewalled the work of Iran's reformers, but whether or not it will function as an effective long-term political strategy remains to be seen. http://civilliberty.about.com/od/int.../p/iran101.htm Laatst gewijzigd door PollyCorrect : 27 september 2007 om 08:47.

27 september 2007, 22:12	#32
Raven Perm. Vertegenwoordiger VN Geregistreerd: 31 maart 2004 Locatie: Nabij het Reigersnest Berichten: 10.447	Proficiat voor de Iraanse President die fantastisch weerwerk heeft geboden aan de laag-bij-de-grondse aanvallen & "ambush" van die universiteit. __________________ NEE tegen assimilatie! NEE tegen racisme!

27 september 2007, 08:52	#26
PollyCorrect Perm. Vertegenwoordiger VN Geregistreerd: 11 april 2004 Berichten: 11.718	Jij doet net als Mahmoed: niks zeggen, en alleen maar de vragen omkeren. Ik ben benieuwd hoe dat zou zijn als jullie een onderonsje zouden hebben