'Chemical Ali' geëxecuteerd, wanneer Bush en zijn knecht Blair?

[Johan Bollen]

“US oil companies are starting to prepare for the day when they may get a chance to work in one of the world’s most oil-rich countries.”

Wall Street Journal, January 16, 2003

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Wall Street Journal, January 16, 2003

Aan de slechte voorwaarden die Irak biedt,zal daar niet veel van in huis komen.

[grievous]

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James Cogan 2009

Met de waarheid heeft dit niets te maken.Door de feiten onderuitgehaald.

[illwill]

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Regime Change: How the CIA put Saddam's Party in Power

Maakt geen verschil uit. Men had geen glazen bol en men kan nooit weten wat iemand in de toekomst nog allemaal van plan is. Achteraf een mooi verhaaltje ervan maken kan iedereen.

[grievous]

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Crude oil politics in occupied Iraq


Zafar Bangash, December 2009

Ook duidelijk achterhaald door de feiten.

[Fallen Angel]

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2/6

Exxon Mobil
Chevron
Conoco Phillips

BP is een twijfelgeval door zijn fusie met Arco.

[Fallen Angel]

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Moogt ge eens uitrekenen.Volgens u is marktprijs min (productiekost plus 2 dollar ) =een schijntje.Raar toch dat een aantal bedrijven in de eerste veiling 2 dollar veel te weinig vonden en tot het tienvoudige vroegen.Zij zijn van oordeel dat zij maar een schijntje krijgen.En de fee geldt wel voor elke barrel die geproduceerd wordt boven een bepaalde minimumproductie.
In het artikel waarnaar link wordt nog meer uitleg gegeven.De iraakse vaten worden de 'lowest margin barrels in the world'genoemd.Fallen angel gaat weer op zijn bek omdat hij weer onvoldoende opzoekingen gedaan heeft.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE55T61S20090630

Dat heet onderhandelingstechnieken. De grote oliemaatschappijen klagen over de te kleine marges in de hoop een veel grotere binnen te halen.

Irak zal zijn marges wel verhogen.

[grievous]

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Exxon Mobil
Chevron
Conoco Phillips

BP is een twijfelgeval door zijn fusie met Arco.

Inzake de iraakse olie gaan den Bollen,gij en andere conspirationisten zwaar op hun bek.Geen amerikaanse firma won een contract.Er was er zelfs maar een dat meedeed aan de veiling.Aan de voorwaarden die Irak bood,is het immers zeer moeilijk om winst te maken en daar bedanken velen voor.
"Those who claim that the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003 to get control of the country's giant oil reserves will be left scratching their heads by the results of last weekend's auction of Iraqi oil contracts: Not a single U.S. company secured a deal in the auction of contracts that will shape the Iraqi oil industry for the next couple of decades. Two of the most lucrative of the multi-billion-dollar oil contracts went to two countries which bitterly opposed the U.S. invasion — Russia and China — while even Total Oil of France, which led the charge to deny international approval for the war at the U.N. Security Council in 2003, won a bigger stake than the Americans in the most recent auction. "[The distribution of oil contracts] certainly answers the theory that the war was for the benefit of big U.S. oil interests," says Alex Munton, Middle East oil analyst for the energy consultancy Wood Mackenzie, whose clients include major U.S. companies. "That has not been demonstrated by what has happened this week."
(Read "The Reasons Behind Big Oil Declining Iraq's Riches")

In one of the biggest auctions held anywhere in the 150-year history of the oil industry, executives from across the world flew into Baghdad on Dec. 11 for a two-day, red-carpet ceremony at the Oil Ministry, broadcast live in Iraq. With U.S. military helicopters hovering overhead to help ward off a possible insurgent attack, Oil Minister Hussein Al-Shahrastani unsealed envelopes from each company, stating how much oil it would produce, and what it was willing to accept in payment from Iraq's government. Rather than giving foreign oil companies control over Iraqi reserves, as the U.S. had hoped to do with the Oil Law it failed to get the Iraqi parliament to pass, the oil companies were awarded service contracts lasting 20 years for seven of the 10 oil fields on offer — the oil will remain the property of the Iraqi state, and the foreign companies will pump it for a fixed price per barrel.

Far from behaving like the war-ravaged, bankrupt country that it is, Iraq heavily weighted the contracts in its own favor, demanding a low per-barrel price and signing bonuses of up to $150 million. Only one U.S. company, Occidental Petroleum Corp., joined the bidding last weekend, and lost. (ExxonMobil had hoped to land the lucrative Rumaila field, but lost out to an alliance between the Chinese National Petroleum Company and BP because it declined the Iraqi government's $2-a-barrel fee.)

Russia's Lukoil, CNPC, and RoyalDutchShell accepted fees of between $1.15 and $1.40 for every barrel they produce — that's about 2% of Friday's oil futures price of $73 a barrel. "No one thinks it will be easy to make money on these contracts," says Samuel Ciszuk, Middle East energy analyst at IHS Global Insight, an economic forecasting company in London. "Companies have been willing to come in very, very low just to get their foot in the door in Iraq."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...#ixzz0eUk20Wwk

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[Johan Bollen]

De VS hadden er niet mee gerekend dat de Maliki regering een tweede ronde van oliecontracten zou organizeren maar konden deze slimme zet niet verhinderen. De olie waar de VS zo 'hard' voor gevochten had was nu voor anderen ook te koop door echt vrij opbod nog wel. Deze tegenslag heeft de VS echter niet haar strijd om de controle over de oliereserves van de wereld en daarmee samenhangend de toekomst van haar project om wereldhegemonie te bekomen, doen opgeven.

Escobar legt het uit in zijn kleurrijke stijl wat er gebeurde met die tweede ronde van contracten.

Die tweede ronde wordt soms gebruikt om te pogen 'aan te tonen' dat de Irakoorlog niet om olie zou gaan

Iraq's oil auction hits the jackpot

Former United States vice president Dick Cheney, ex-defense minister Donald Rumsfeld and assorted US neo-cons will have plenty of time to nurse their apoplexy. One of their key reasons to unleash the war on Iraq in 2003 was to seize control of its precious oilfields and thus shape a great deal of the new great game in Eurasia - the energy front - by restricting the access of Europe and Asia to Iraq's staggering 115 billion barrels of proven oil reserves.

After at least US$2 trillion spent by Washington and arguably more than a million dead Iraqis, it has come to this: a pipe dream definitely buried this past weekend in Baghdad with round two of bids to exploit a number of vast and immensely profitable oil fields.

The bids, supervised by the Oil Ministry, were presented on a live



TV game show. Instead of American Idol, Iraqis got "Oil Idol". In a raucous carpet bazaar atmosphere, the ministry played "my way or the highway" and forced 44 foreign Big Oil corporations to cut to the max the fee they collect on every barrel extracted in Iraq and submit to 20-year contracts. These multinationals were not given a share in Iraqi oil production; they will be paid a $2 fee per barrel for raising output above a mutually agreed level.

Still, for Big Oil, the possibility of having a crack at all those mega-giant fields in Shi'ite-controlled southeast Iraq - the largest concentration of its kind in the world - led all players to yell , "It's raining oil!" Once you've paid the ticket, you're inside the theater. And what a theatre ... The Iraqi government may end up paying foreign Big Oil as much as $50 billion for its know-how. All these "service" deals will dodge Iraq's parliament - which might throw a wrench in the works. And Big Oil will still get $2 for each barrel of extra crude above a minimum production target.

In June, Iraq held its first oil auction, offering foreign companies the chance to increase production at already-pumping fields. The latest auction was the first time foreign firms could bid on untapped fields. Of the 10 groups of fields available, seven were awarded.

Win-win for Russia and China
Cheney's and Rumsfeld's script was never supposed to develop like this. Instead of US Big Oil getting the lion's share, strategic competitors Russia and China turned out to be big winners. Dick Cheney's "consolation prize" was an Exxon-Mobil-Shell alliance getting the phase 1 of West Qurna in early November. Exxon-Mobil had been the favorite to also win Rumaila (17.8 billion barrels of reserves). But a BP-CNPC (China National Petroleum Corporation) alliance got it in the end because unlike Exxon-Mobil they agreed to cut their fee per barrel down to the Oil Ministry-enforced $2.

CNPC (50%), along with partners Total from France (25%) and Petronas from Malaysia (25%), was also a big winner for Halfaya (4.1 billion barrels of reserves, projected output of 535,000 barrels per day (bpd)), southeast of Amara.

Petronas again (with 60%), and the Japan Petroleum Exploration Company (Japex), with 40%, will invest a cool $7 billion to develop Gharaf (reserves of around 860 million barrels, projected output of 230,000 bpd). Bidding was fierce. Losers were a joint Turkish-Indian bid, a Kazakh/South Korean/Italian consortium, and Pertamina from Indonesia.

A Petronas-Shell alliance got the highly coveted Majnoon (reserves of more than 12 billion barrels, projected output of 1.8 million bpd), near the Iranian border. Russia's Lukoil (85%), with junior partner Statoil (15%), got phase 2 of the immense West Qurna (located 65 kilometers northwest of Basra; about 12 billion barrels of reserves; projected production of 1.8 million bpd) - which in theory it had already bagged under Saddam Hussein. When Lukoil was stripped of its contract by Saddam, it blamed US-instigated United Nations sanctions, while Saddam blamed Lukoil itself.

West Qurna's phase 1 (8.7 billion barrels of reserves, with a projection to increase output from 300,000 bpd to 2.3 million bpd before 2016) was won in November by the aforementioned Exxon Mobil-Shell alliance. Losers were Total from France, a consortium of Petronas, Pertamina and Petrovietnam, and a BP-CNPC alliance.

Gazprom (40%), with junior partners TPAO, Kogas and Petronas, got Badra (projected production of 170,000 bpd). Unlike the mad scramble for the southern fields, no one even bid for the East Baghdad field, for obvious reasons: it's located in a virtual war zone. [1]

The Shi'ites are coming!
Iraq nationalized its oil industry in 1972. Now Big Oil is back with a vengeance. Iraqi Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani made no bones about Iraq's ambitions, saying, "Our principal objective is to increase our oil production from 2.4 million barrels per day to more than four million in the next five years." Iraq is at present exporting less oil than under Saddam, but it aims to export seven million barrels a day by 2016. Shahristani also insists "our country will have total control over production".

That is enormously debatable.

For the moment, Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's government in Baghdad is obviously a winner. Iraq currently gets only $60 billion a year in oil revenues. It's not enough to rebuild a country destroyed by the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, UN sanctions and the American occupation. Arguably, Iraq's oil industry would not have sufficient funds, equipment and technical people to get back on its feet alone.

Whether with more oil revenues Baghdad will be able to impose law and order - starting with the capital - and fully equip its 275,000 military plus police forces, that's an open question. No one knows for sure who will be in control of Iraq in the near future, with parliamentary elections due early next year. A new government may be tempted to renegotiate these contracts, or even invalidate them.

In the next few years, with Iraq being able to reach the target of producing at least four million barrels a day, it's fair to argue this won't substantially influence the price of oil; but it will prevent it from shooting up out of proportion. China is now importing over four million bpd - and this will continue to rise. China by itself will be gobbling up any output increase in the global oil market.

What the early 2010s will definitely see is the rise of a relatively wealthy, Shi'ite-controlled Iraq friendly with Iran and Lebanon's Hezbollah. Essentially, Shi'ite Islam on the rise. The US-friendly autocracies and dictatorships in the Gulf will cry again, "It's the return of the Shi'ite crescent!" United States think-tanks may be tempted to define Maliki as the new Saddam. The only difference is that by then, Cheney and company will be safely ensconced in the dustbin of history.

[grievous]

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Dat heet onderhandelingstechnieken. Zoek het eens op.

Dit heet op uw bek gaan want gij stelde dat de iraakse staat maar een schijntje kreeg terwijl in werkelijkheid de oliebebrijven het heel moeilijk zullen hebben winst te maken aan zulke slechte voorwaarden.Van de amerikaanse deed er zelfs maar een mee gegeven de slechte voorwaarden.

[Johan Bollen]

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Inzake de iraakse olie gaan den Bollen,gij en andere conspirationisten zwaar op hun bek.Geen amerikaanse firma won een contract.

Je hebt dus geen weet van de eerste ronde contracten die wel naar US firmas gingen.

[Fallen Angel]

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Inzake de iraakse olie gaan den Bollen,gij en andere conspirationisten zwaar op hun bek.Geen amerikaanse firma won een contract.Er was er zelfs maar een dat meedeed aan de veiling.Aan de voorwaarden die Irak bood,is het immers zeer moeilijk om winst te maken en daar bedanken velen voor.
"Those who claim that the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003 to get control of the country's giant oil reserves will be left scratching their heads by the results of last weekend's auction of Iraqi oil contracts: Not a single U.S. company secured a deal in the auction of contracts that will shape the Iraqi oil industry for the next couple of decades. Two of the most lucrative of the multi-billion-dollar oil contracts went to two countries which bitterly opposed the U.S. invasion — Russia and China — while even Total Oil of France, which led the charge to deny international approval for the war at the U.N. Security Council in 2003, won a bigger stake than the Americans in the most recent auction. "[The distribution of oil contracts] certainly answers the theory that the war was for the benefit of big U.S. oil interests," says Alex Munton, Middle East oil analyst for the energy consultancy Wood Mackenzie, whose clients include major U.S. companies. "That has not been demonstrated by what has happened this week."
(Read "The Reasons Behind Big Oil Declining Iraq's Riches")

In one of the biggest auctions held anywhere in the 150-year history of the oil industry, executives from across the world flew into Baghdad on Dec. 11 for a two-day, red-carpet ceremony at the Oil Ministry, broadcast live in Iraq. With U.S. military helicopters hovering overhead to help ward off a possible insurgent attack, Oil Minister Hussein Al-Shahrastani unsealed envelopes from each company, stating how much oil it would produce, and what it was willing to accept in payment from Iraq's government. Rather than giving foreign oil companies control over Iraqi reserves, as the U.S. had hoped to do with the Oil Law it failed to get the Iraqi parliament to pass, the oil companies were awarded service contracts lasting 20 years for seven of the 10 oil fields on offer — the oil will remain the property of the Iraqi state, and the foreign companies will pump it for a fixed price per barrel.

Far from behaving like the war-ravaged, bankrupt country that it is, Iraq heavily weighted the contracts in its own favor, demanding a low per-barrel price and signing bonuses of up to $150 million. Only one U.S. company, Occidental Petroleum Corp., joined the bidding last weekend, and lost. (ExxonMobil had hoped to land the lucrative Rumaila field, but lost out to an alliance between the Chinese National Petroleum Company and BP because it declined the Iraqi government's $2-a-barrel fee.)

Russia's Lukoil, CNPC, and RoyalDutchShell accepted fees of between $1.15 and $1.40 for every barrel they produce — that's about 2% of Friday's oil futures price of $73 a barrel. "No one thinks it will be easy to make money on these contracts," says Samuel Ciszuk, Middle East energy analyst at IHS Global Insight, an economic forecasting company in London. "Companies have been willing to come in very, very low just to get their foot in the door in Iraq."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...#ixzz0eUk20Wwk

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De oorlog in Irak was niet om olie te doen. Nooooooooo Sir.

Grappig dat je zelf het ultieme bewijs aangeeft.

Ps: Deze gaat naar het quote-archief.

[grievous]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Johan Bollen

De VS hadden er niet mee gerekend dat de Maliki regering een tweede ronde van oliecontracten zou organizeren maar konden deze slimme zet niet verhinderen. De olie waar de VS zo 'hard' voor gevochten had was nu voor anderen ook te koop door echt vrij opbod nog wel. Deze tegenslag heeft de VS echter niet haar strijd om de controle over de oliereserves van de wereld en daarmee samenhangend de toekomst van haar project om wereldhegemonie te bekomen, doen opgeven.

Escobar legt het uit in zijn kleurrijke stijl wat er gebeurde met die tweede ronde van contracten.

Die tweede ronde wordt soms gebruikt om te pogen 'aan te tonen' dat de Irakoorlog niet om olie zou gaan

Iraq's oil auction hits the jackpot

Den bollen is duidelijk teleurgesteld.Hij geeft er natuurlijk weer een spin aan maar dat zal ook niet helpen.De auteur van het artikel verkoopt natuurlijk ook onzin.

Toch leuk dat die regering die door mannetjes als den bollen als een marionettenregering van de VS omschreven wordt, dit deed.

Het ging nooit om de Iraakse olie.Speelde nooit een rol bij de beraadslagingen over de invasie.

[grievous]

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De oorlog in Irak was niet om olie te doen. Nooooooooo Sir.

Grappig dat je zelf het ultieme bewijs aangeeft.

Effectief heeft die regering die gij ongetwijfeld als een amerikaanse marionettenregering beschouwt het bewijs daarvan geleverd.
En gij zijt op uw lelijke smikkel gevallen door te beweren dat de iraaakse regering maar een schijntje verdient terwijl het de oliefrima's zijn die niet veel zullen verdienen.

[Fallen Angel]

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Effectief heeft die regering die gij ongetwijfeld als een amerikaanse marionettenregering beschouwt het bewijs daarvan geleverd.
En gij zijt op uw lelijke smikkel gevallen door te beweren dat de iraaakse regering maar een schijntje verdient terwijl het de oliefrima's zijn die niet veel zullen verdienen.

Akkoord de macht van de VS is blijkbaar aan het afbrokkelen. Vroeger zou het hen nog gelukt zijn om hun wil door te drukken. Nu blijkbaar niet meer. Je hebt mij overtuigd.

[grievous]

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Je hebt dus geen weet van de eerste ronde contracten die wel naar US firmas gingen.

Loodzware fout want die eerste ronde liep op een sisser uit.Maar een contract was toegekend aan een consortium tussen BP en een chinese firma.
De andere contracten werden niet toegekend omdat de oliebedrijven niet laag genoeg boden.Vandaar de noodzaak van een tweede ronde.Den bollen op zijn bek.

"(AP) Iraq's hopes for an oil-revenue fueled postwar recovery suffered a sharp blow Tuesday as the foreign oil companies it counted on to help develop its vast reserves greeted the country's first oil auction in over 30 years with grumbles and just one deal.

Roughly a year in the making, the foreign licensing round was touted by Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani as a key step to boosting Iraq's oil output to 4 million barrels per day and raking in cash the government desperately needs after years of sanctions and the U.S.-led invasion in 2003 left its economy in shambles.

But the process has been criticized inside the country from the start, and the poor showing at the televised event could offer opponents of the embattled al-Shahristani even more ammunition. It's the kind of political unrest that helped keep the companies at arms length, despite a shot at 43 billion of the country's 115 billion barrels of crude reserves.

"With this outcome, the Iraqi government becomes the desperate one," said Samuel Ciszuk, Mideast energy analyst for London-based IHS Global Insight. "Al-Shahristani has been very focused on this round, and criticized for ignoring everything else, including the easy repairs that could have been done over the past couple of years."

The televised event came as U.S. troops completed their withdrawal from Iraqi cities, handing over security of urban areas to their Iraqi counterparts. The development, hailed by Iraqis as a sovereignty milestone, likely served to only further raise questions among oil companies monitoring events around the country before committing to big projects.

From the first field offered, disputes over how much the companies would get for producing over a minimum output target cast a pall on the process.

Under the 20-year service contracts on offer, the companies would be paid a per barrel fee for any crude they produce in excess of a minimum production target. But the price requested by all the companies was at least twice as high - and in a couple of cases almost 10 times higher than what the oil ministry was willing to pay.

Two oil executives from different companies at the auction complained that Iraq was offering too little money given the prevailing security risks and political uncertainty. They also complained that they were not given enough time to revise their bids - sometimes as little as 15 to 30 minutes. Both spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

Chevron Corp., the second-largest U.S. oil company behind Exxon Mobil Corp., said it decided not to submit a bid in the opening round, but didn't rule out doing so in future auctions.

It said it opted out after a "careful evaluation of the opportunities against Chevron's standard investment criteria and our inventory of investment projects worldwide."

The first field on offer was the day's sole success story. But also underlined the government and the companies' widely differing expectations.

Two consortiums, headed by British giant BP and Exxon Mobil, submitted offers for the Rumaila oil field - the largest prize on offer with 17.8 billion barrels in crude reserves.

The Exxon Mobil-led consortium, which included Malaysia's Petronas, requested $4.80 per barrel for production over the minimum, while BP wanted $3.99 per barrel. The ministry was willing to pay $2 per barrel.

BP agreed to match the ministry's price and won the contract for Rumaila.

Exxon Mobil, in a move mirrored by other companies throughout the day, refused to revise its bid.

"Our numbers were not far from reality, and proof of that is that BP accepted our price for Rumaila," al-Shahristani said after the auction. He said he believed oil companies inflated their requests to cover security companies' fees.

But dollars aside, interest was much thinner than Iraqi officials anticipated.

"It's been nearly 40 years now that Iraq has failed to live up to its oil potential," said Daniel Yergin, a Pulitzer Prize winning author and chairman of IHS CERA, an energy consultancy. "It's not a foregone conclusion that these arrangements will, in themselves, do what needs to be done. It's only a beginning, and it's an uncertain beginning."

No bids were offered for the Mansouria gas field in Diyala province, home to some of Iraq's worst violence. Only one bid was submitted for each of the Bai Hassan and Kirkuk oil fields in the north, the Akkas gas field, and the Missan fields - three adjacent fields offered as one bloc.

China's CNOOC led the consortium bidding for Missan, and sought a payment of $21.40 per barrel over the baseline minimum output level. Iraq said it was willing to pay $2 per barrel.

The Zubair oil field attracted four consortiums, while the West Qurna Stage I field in the south drew interest from five groups led by France's Total, Russia's Lukoil, Spain's Repsol, Exxon and CNPC. Again, in the case of West Qurna, the bids were as much as 10 times more than what the government was willing to pay.

Officials had earlier said that any fields not agreed on would be re-offered in subsequent rounds. Al-Shahristani, however, said the top offers on all the non-awarded fields - except for Mansouria - would be presented to the cabinet for review.

The step was clearly aimed at saving the process. But it embraced the same solution that has stoked parliamentary ire.

Some lawmakers have argued that al-Shahristani's insistence on having the Cabinet approve the deals, instead of the parliament, would render the deals unconstitutional.

The political wrangling was largely an effort by the country's various political blocs to secure a stake in Iraq's oil fortunes.

But whatever its roots, the dispute has done little to calm international oil companies' angst.

The firms were already worried about Iraq's security situation, the lack of a new national oil law and the government's argument that deals struck independently with the semiautonomous Kurds in the north are illegal.

The poor showing Tuesday will do little to boost al-Shahristani's clout.

His critics have pointed to Iraq's inability to even reach its prewar production levels as evidence that he has failed in his job. Others gripe that the bidding round will open the door for an economic occupation of the country at a time when it is pulling away from the U.S. military presence that many in Iraq likened to military occupation.

The minister, however, has insisted he was working for the country's best interests. Iraqi officials have estimated that based on crude oil at $50 per barrel, the companies could have earned around $16 billion in total. Iraq, meanwhile, would have brought in over $1.7 trillion.

The company response to the bidding sends a clear signal to Iraq, said analysts.

It says "the companies will still be there, but they've made it clear what their baseline is, and that they can't go into the red even to get access to Iraqi oil," said Ciszuk. "The risks are just too great."

[grievous]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Fallen Angel

Akkoord de macht van de VS is blijkbaar aan het afbrokkelen. Vroeger zou het hen nog gelukt zijn om hun wil door te drukken. Nu blijkbaar niet meer. Je hebt mij overtuigd.

Dat is de spin die gij er nu aan geeft.Mij kan het niet bommen.Mijn doel is bereikt.

[Fallen Angel]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door grievous

Dat is de spin die gij er nu aan geeft.Mij kan het niet bommen.Mijn doel is bereikt.

Checkmate :

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door grievous

Wensdenken.Op de dag van uw dood zal de VS nog altijd springlevend zijn.

Je hebt al mijn punten bevestigd.

[Johan Bollen]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door grievous

Loodzware fout...

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Grievous

Geen amerikaanse firma won een contract.

Je probeert je er gewoon uit te liegen en te beledigen.

[grievous]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Fallen Angel

Checkmate :

Ik heb u vernederd.Daar gaat het om.
En vergeet niet dat die amerikaanse bedrijven een stevige winst wilden maken.Kon niet en dus bleven ze aan de zijlijn.De anderen zullen moeten zien dat ze er een cent aan verdienen wat niet vanzelfsprekend zal zijn.Wie laatst lacht best lacht.