De grote 9/11 topic

[Babylonia]

helo hola
wil je wat dvd s hebben om uit te delen ?
ik zal ze je gratis sturen echt
Samen wonen samen werken....

[illwill]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pindar

illwi

willy, je klets zoals gewoonlijk weer eens uit je nek en heb absoluut geen idee
wat ik doe, en je denkt even uit een regeltje te kunnen destilleren dat ik er alleen maar over denk! Ik doe zoveel wat jij niet weet!
Aanmatigend en erg dom. Verder heb ik nog geen dvd brander en ga er binnenkort een kopen en dan ga ik het zeker doen.
En jij? Blijf je domme postings posten i.p.v. eens te onderzoeken?
Hup, terug op de negeer. Ik vind de rest van de postings niet eens de moeite waard om op te reageren.


See ya !


Pin d"Ar

Ik klets niet uit mijn nek, ik stel alleen maar vragen.

Ik heb geen idee wat jij doet omdat je het ook niet zegt, hoe kan ik het dan weten? Nog steeds weet ik het niet omdat je het opnieuw gewoonweg niet vertelt, waarom niet?

Laat ons weten wanneer je er 1 hebt en wanneer je gaat verspreiden. Je bent trouwens 1 van de enigste belgen die geen brander heeft momenteel. Maar goed.

Vragen stellen zijn geen domme postings. Je kan er niet tegen dat ik niet weet wat je allemaal doet, en tegelijkertijd negeer je de vragen waardoor nog steeds niemand weet wat je precies doet...hoe kun je er dan over klagen? Slaat nergens op.

[illwill]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Babylonia

helo hola
wil je wat dvd s hebben om uit te delen ?
ik zal ze je gratis sturen echt
Samen wonen samen werken....

Heb je nu toch een brander?

[exodus]

Filmster Sylvester Stallone weet blijkbaar ook dat de War on Terror fake is. Voor zijn niuewe Rambo film werd de vraag gesteld waarom rambo niet achter Al Quada aan ging. Dit was Stallones antwoord:

"The phrase ‘politically correct’ is basically a euphemism for bold face lying because unfortunately, lies keep society functioning. The day we have our politicians actually tell us the real truth, we’d have anarchy in the streets. So we’re told what they think will pacify the masses not inflame them. "

http://www.infowars.net/articles/jan...08Stallone.htm

[Babylonia]

Alliantie van civilisaties kwam bijeen deze week in Madrid

http://www.unaoc.org/index.php

[Babylonia]

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...sage317985/pg1
15/12/2006
I have attended a talk by David Shayler, the MI5 agent turned whistleblower when he discovered that the UK government had funded a known Islamic terrorist group in order as part of a deal for them killing Gadaffi. They did were going to kill him by planting a bomb under his car. They did... but they got the wrong car and 11 innocent people died.

This took place in the 1990s. They gave the main terrorist $40 000.

Well, he didn't understand WHY the UK and US government were funding this until he realised through inside information that infact it was regime change. Not to get rid of Gadaffi, but because the incoming group would be radicals and would therefore justify the US invading Libya and... you guessed it, taking control of their oil as well as having one of the most strategic pieces of land in the Middle East on which to build their bases.

The failure meant that Gadaffi survived and the invasion could not take place.

But that's not the most amazinf insight that Shayler has. Even more than this is how 911 was a failed operation. Failed? But it was perfect! The buildings came down!

Yes... but we didn't see the entire game. It's been staring us in the face all this time but it took a brilliant mind with inside information (access to the most classified of intelligence documents) to piece it together. Shayler really is that intelligent. Spend 5 minutes with him and you will see what I mean.

Well, the end game was this: Flight 93 was to land on the Whitehouse. You see, under US law at the time, if that happened, it would be martial law in the US and under those conditions, the entire 911 plot could have been completely tidied up, all the evidence buried. We would not be able to have the 911 truth movement today. Anyone claiming that it was an inside job would be so far out on the extremes of conspiracy theory that they would never be taken seriously and certainly must less of the material available today would have been available to the truth movement.

Now we KNOW that this was planned (martial law) because on the 10th Nov 2001 it had been put in the MSM! There were articles published to the American people about how martial law could be enacted in the event of the US government (Washington DC) being attacked directly. So the US population was actually PRIMED for that.

Not only that, but the antrax attacks DID attack the US government, only it was too late then to declare martial law so Plan B didn't bail them out either. And worse, the antrax was traced by the FBI to US laboratories where on a few select personnel had access to it so it was undeniably and inside job. Which is why the headlines claiming that the anthrax was Iraqi played enough to imprint the mantra in the population's minds, then the entire anthrax hoax was made to quietly and quickly disappear.

So what went wrong?

The shooting down of 93 was a renegade action by a true American hero officer and the pilot that did the deed. The order to shoot down WAS NOT GIVEN. I.e. The inaction was there to guarantee the Whitehouse would be hit. Instead of the lies in the movie "United 93", the real hero of 911 was indeed associated with flight 93 coming down but it was not some fictious all American man in the street blued eyed boys. The real hero remains unknown. Anonymous. Denied. The real hero was the officer that saw the no-shoot as a NORAD botch and did his job and had that aircraft shot down.

The entire planet owes that man its thanks. I wonder if he even lived through the day? They may well have shot him on sight.

Now, I haven't researched this but I am willing to bet good money that if you go back in the news archives, you will find that NONE of the important people were in the Whitehouse on 911. You may even find Bush opponents WERE in the Whitehouse that day!

Not only that, but as Shayler points out, Jeb Bush jumped the gun. He declared martial law too soon in Florida. There was no reason for that declaration and it's one of those key facts that the 911 truth movement has missed. It's key fact for prosecuting as conspiracy to the murders, Jeb Bush as well as the usual suspects in the Administration. It's the smoking gun against Jeb Bush being an insider.

But the "failure" in NORAD and the other points of control, i.e. the things that were meant to allow 93 to hit the Whitehouse were undone by a quick thinking officer who ordered the plane to be taken down. 93 was, to use Shayler's term, a key failure in the plot. A cockup that, to quote Shayler "they simply didn't expect or plan for this".

When you realise this truth, suddenly many of the loose ends click into place. Suddenly, so much makes sense. So many of the Bush "incompetancies" are shown to be not incompetance, but quickstepping out a contingency. The inept neoCon scrambling and bumbling of the invasion is suddenly very clearly a group of well rehearsed, well disciplined, well planned people wrongfooted by the most unexpected of cockups.

Flight 93 is where 911 went wrong for them. And one of the reasons that the propaganda around that plane was in overdrive. United 93 the film, the stories of the heros, the only "black box that survived"... all these were disctractions. Very clever distractions. You see, by keeping the "was is shot down" debate going as an initial catch point for the sheep backed up by the "how come the mobile phones worked?" as the catch point for those not fooled by the first catch point, no-one got thinking about the actual flight itself and the key role it played. No-one has been thinking about the possibility that it was a monumental cockup that the plotters simply hadn't accounted for. No-one has been thinking "what if it had reached its target, what would have happened?". And that's clever human manipulation for you. That's really clever brains thinking at high speed to bail out of a catastrophe.

But 93 went badly wrong for the plotters. Because it gave that little window of opportunity for the truth movement to see the faults in the story, see the holes in the evidence and start to question the official line. Martial law was meant to ensure that no questions could be asked, no evidence could survive and no-one would have the time to ask because of what was meant to immediately follow. The sequence of events would have been so swift that we would be focussed now on the fallout of the WMD use that was almost certainly in the plan. 911 would be a minor footnote that no-one would be interested in by now.

Had 93 reached "mission complete". Had martial law been declared, complete control over the media, release of information and the cleanup (getting rid of the evidence) would have happened and bingo! The entire 911 plot would have played out and the world right now would have been a completely different place. Iran, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, Afghanistan probably would have had nuclear weapons used against them to simply "solve the problem". With the US government "wiped out", no-one would have either held the Bush crowd accoutable nor have the ability to even if they tried.

Which explains another anomally about the plot: How the neoCons so totally screwed up the invasions without an exit strategy. The visible evidence being the mess that Iraq is in with the US having its butt kicked.

See, they never needed an exit strategy because they were never going to invade the way that they were forced to. That was NOT the plan. The plan was to use the overwhelming force of American super weapons in quick, lethal blows that the world would have had to stand by and accept because the US government itself would have been directly attacked, possibly with key opponents to the WH wiped out as part of the deal. Who would stop the US? Indeed, who would even BLAME the US?

Their original plan was perfect. It was a good plan. I was a perfect plan.

There was no need to plant a passport. There was no need to explain 911. If you don't explain then there are no holes in the story because there simply is no story. Your cover is perfect. No 911 commission, no NIST scrambling to prove the impossible, no questions about WTC7. Nothing to attack the neoCon agenda with because no accountability given because under martial law, the US government would be unassailable.

And that also explains those massive FEMA detention camps that GLP was so hyped up about many years ago. We were all mystified as to why they were being built. Now it's clear! Even under martial law there would have been those who didn't agree with the neoCons. Those detention camps would have been filled with these dissidents.

Sit back and think of all the odd behaviour that has puzzled us about the BushCo. How they seem to have wrongfooted themselves all the time. And think about how things would have been different in 93 had hit its target. It all makes perfect sense.

Behind the scenes there must have been frantic redrawing of plans. Years and years of careful, step by step detail was trashed when that missile hit 93. And because of that, errors were made. And because of THAT, we have the truth movement and the very real chance to expose this hoax and nail the guilty party.

Which could be why Bush bought into Paraguay.

Also, look at where Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Bremer and all the other PNAC players were on the day. Look at their actions. In the light of what was EXPECTED to happen, it all makes sense. Perfect, perfect sense.

This is a startling revelation by Shayler and an absolute lynchpin in understanding 911 and what has followed. It explains so much, ties up so many loose ends and just fits the picture so well, even down to the reactions of the people involved, that it really is the only credible missing piece.

And more still, it's clear that the recycling deal must have been planned months before for the steel shipments from the 911 demolition. All that executed perfectly. But rather than it being a secret kept "for security reasons" away from any public knowledge for decades to come, maybe even centuries, it's now in the open. And one more item to point at the guilty parties with.

For me personally, it's the effectiveness of the psyops of 93 that gets me. How the diversion has worked so extremely well, How the realisation of how 911 was actually a massive cockup simply hasn't featured anywhere up until now.

That makes me shake my head in admiration for the brains that pulled it together. Real professionals. Nasty, evil, but so very clever.

Vertaling
http://zaplog.nl/zaplog/article/9_11...indfuck/Inanna

[Geert C]

Hup, terug op de negeer. Ik vind de rest van de postings niet eens de moeite waard om op te reageren.

Tot zover het kritisch denken.

[Babylonia]

In het vredige mooie Florida wordt op 7 sept 2001 de Martial Law voorbereid om hem op 11 sept. af te roepen door Jeb Bush.
De regering Bush verklaarde dat zij geen enkele voorkennis had en totaal verrast werd door de aanslagen, wat haar onbekwaamheid om te reageren zou moeten verklaren.
Op 7 september 2001 ondertekent Jeb Bush, broer van de president en gouverneur van Florida, een Excecutive Order, waarbij hij alles in gereedheid brengt om de staat Florida onder martial law (krijgswet, waarbij het militaire apparaat het bewind – tijdelijk – in handen krijgt) te brengen. Wat heeft hem er toe aangezet om 4 dagen voor de aanslagen voorbereidingen te treffen voor een noodsituatie in zijn staat? Op 11 september heeft hij trouwens die martial law dan ook afgekondigd, hoewel Florida helemaal niet werd getroffen door de aanslagen...
Dit opmerkelijk gegeven is mij altijd een raadsel gebleven. Het is te verklaren met bovenstaande hypothese van David Shayler - ex M15 agent - over een mogelijke toedracht van 11 sept. Zien jullie een andere mogelijkheid? The missing piece?
Deze theorie kreeg tot nog toe niet veel krediet.
De vele vragen rond het 4 de vliegtuig in shanksville lijken er ook mee opgehelderd.
hier nog een link naar een andere nl vertaling.
http://www.nujij.nl/911-an-inside-flop.855628.lynkx

[Pindar]

well, well, well

Firefighter: Giuliani ‘ran like a coward on 9/11′

Families of firefighters killed in the Sept. 11 terror attacks on the World Trade Center rallied in Orlando Tuesday in anticipation of the state’s upcoming Republican primary. Unfortunately for Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani, the firefighters are not in his corner.

“We want America to know that [the Giuliani campaign] is lying to America and to the American pubic,” said Jim Riches, a deputy chief in the New York Fire Department, “telling all of Florida that the New York City Fire Department backs him, when that’s another lie.”

Firefighters and their families vowed to dog the former New York mayor at all of his Florida campaign stops because the state figures prominently in Giuliani’s big-state primary strategy. The protesters think that Giuliani was aware that firefighters who responded to the World Trade Center attack were carrying defective radios and did not hear the order to evacuate.

“He didn’t prepare us before, during, or after,” says Riches.

Giuliani has campaigned strongly on his leadership during the attacks on New York, claiming he is the best suited to prevent an “Islamic terrorist war against us.” But the firefighters were quick to question that courage.

“Yeah, the decision he made was, which direction he was going to run,” says Riches. “And he ran north, and that’s all he did.”

The Giuliani campaign labeled the display a misleading, partisan attack. The former mayor is also emphasizing his ability to deal with the economy, distancing himself from the 9/11 pitch.

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Pin d"Ar

[Pindar]

9/11 Contradictions: When Did Cheney Enter the Underground Bunker?

'With regard to the morning of 9/11, everyone agrees that at some time after 9:03 (when the South Tower of the World Trade Center was struck) and before 10:00, Vice President Dick Cheney went down to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC), sometimes simply called the “bunker,” under the east wing of the White House. Everyone also agrees that, once there, Cheney was in charge---that he was either making decisions or relaying decisions from President Bush. But there is enormous disagreement as to exactly when Cheney entered the PEOC.'

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Pin d"Ar

[Pindar]

How I Came To Distrust the Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

'I no longer have vague doubts. I have important questions. Nearly 3000 people were murdered on September 11, 2001, and even the accused perpetrators have not been brought to justice. I am one of many calling for a new, independent investigation into 9/11. The elaborate cover up we have now is an utter disgrace to this country, and the basis for what many scholars consider near tyranny.'

http://www.opednews.com/articles/ope..._to_distru.htm

Pin d"Ar

[Pindar]

Insights of a Canadian Lawyer: Was 9/11 an Inside Job?

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Pin d"Ar

[illwill]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Geert C

Tot zover het kritisch denken.

[Babylonia]

RTBF 'Lieu Public' waagt zich aan een debat over 9/11 en het ant americanisme.

L'Europe doit voir la réalite en face. Il ne peut pas y avoir de la paix dans le monde sans voir en face la propagande américaine.
Nous sommes tous victimes d'une operation militaire consiente, mondiale et bien preparée, par les armées Americaines. Apres l'Irak il y auras d'autres pays attaqué. Ils installent des régimes satélites qui sont remote controle.
Jean Brigmont: Nous devons nous rappeler les installations de tels regimes en Iran en 1953 après le renversement de Mossadeque, au Bresil, aux Filippines, le renversements des democraties au nom de la libertes en Indonesie avec 500 000 morts au Guatemala, le Nicaragua

http://leweb2zero.tv/video/shun_32478f282406d09

[Babylonia]

Ik zet hier nog eens de link naar een paar schitterende affiches in het frans en het vlaams
om uit te printen en op te hangen in een kantoor waar je werkt....op t prikbord.

http://groups.google.be/group/medias.../illustrations

[Pindar]

Babylonia, schitterend die 2de poster over 9-11!!


Pin d"Ar

[Pindar]

9/11 Truth - New Study Raises More Questions

New study from Pilots for 9 11 Truth No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon

A study of the black box data provided by the government to Pilots for 9/11 Truth has confirmed the previous findings of Scholars for 9/11 Truth that no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11. We have had four lines of proof that no Boeing 757 hit the building, said James Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. This new study by Pilots drives another nail into a coffin of lies told the American people by The 9/11 Commission:

The new society, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) under the Freedom of Information Act and obtained its 2002 report on American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757 that, according to the official account, hit the ground floor of the Pentagon after it skimmed over the lawn at 500 mph plus, taking out a series of lamp posts in the process. The pilots not only obtained the flight data but created a computer animation to demonstrate what it told them.

According to the report issued by Pilots for 9/11 Truth (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/), there are major differences between the official account and the flight data:

a. The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support official events.
b. All Altitude data shows the aircraft at least 300 feet too high to have struck the light poles.
c. The rate of descent data is in direct conflict with the aircraft being able to impact the light poles and be captured in the Dept of Defense 5 Frames video of an object traveling nearly parallel with the Pentagon lawn.
d. The record of data stops at least one second prior to official impact time.
e. If data trends are continued, the aircraft altitude would have been at least 100 feet too high to have hit the Pentagon.

As Robert Balsamo, co-founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, observes, The information in the NSTB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001. The study was signed by fifteen professional pilots with extensive military and commercial carrier experience. They have made their animation, Pandora’ss Box: Chapter 2, available to the public at http://video.google.com/videosearchq...x%3A+Chapter+2 .

According to James H. Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth (http://911scholars.org), this result fits into the broader picture of what happened at the Pentagon that day. We have developed four lines of argument that prove–conclusively, in my judgment–that no Boeing 757 hit the building. The most important evidence to the contrary has been the numerous eyewitness reports of a large commercial carrier coming toward the building. If the NTSB data is correct, then the Pilot’ss study shows that a large aircraft headed toward the building but did not impact with it. It swerved off and flew above the Pentagon.

Fetzer, who retired last June after 35 years of teaching courses in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning, expressed pleasure over the Pilot’ss results, which, he said, has neatly resolved the most pressing issue that remained about the Pentagon. He added, We have previously developed several lines of argument, each of which proves that no Boeing 757 hit the building, including these four:

(1) The hit point at the Pentagon was too small to accommodate a 100-ton airliner with a 125-foot wingspan and a tail that stands 44 feet above the ground; the kind and quantity of debris was wrong for a Boeing 757: there were no wings, no fuselage, no seats, no bodies, no luggage, no tail! Not even the engines were recovered, and they are practically indestructible.

(2) Of an estimate 84 videotapes of the crash, the three that have been released by the Pentagon do not show a Boeing 757 hitting the building, as even Bill O’sReilly admitted when one was shown on The Factor. At 155 feet, the plane was more than twice as long as the 77-foot Pentagon is high and should have been visible. There are indications of a much smaller plane, but not a Boeing 757.

(3) Indeed, the aerodynamics of flight would have made the official trajectory–flying more than 500 mph barely above ground level–physically impossible, because of the accumulation of a massive pocket of compressed gas (air) beneath the fuselage; and if it had come it at an angle instead, it would have created a massive crater; but there is no crater and the official trajectory is impossible.

(4) Flying low enough to impact with the ground floor would have meant that the enormous engines were plowing the ground and creating massive furrows; but there are no massive furrows. The smooth, unblemished surface of the Pentagon lawn thus stands as a smoking gun proving the official trajectory cannot be sustained.

Members of Scholars have contributed to a new book that analyses the government’ss official account, according to which 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacked four commercial airliners, outfoxed the most sophisticated air-defense system in the world, and committed these atrocities under the control of a man in a cave in Afghanistan. Entitled, THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY (2007), it includes photographs of the hit point before and after the upper floors collapsed, the crucial frame from the released videos, and views of the clear, smooth, and unblemished lawn.

Don’st be taken in by photos showing damage to the second floor or those taken after the upper floors collapsed, which happened 20-30 minutes later, Fetzer said. In fact, debris begins to show up on the completely clean lawn in short order, which might have been dropped from a C-130 that was circling above the Pentagon or placed there by men in suits who were photographed carrying debris with them. The most striking is a piece from the fuselage of a commercial airliner, which is frequently adduced as evidence.

James Hanson, a newspaper reporter who earned his law degree from the University of Michigan College of Law, has traced that debris to an American Airlines 757 that crashed in a rain forest above Cali, Columbia in 1995. It was the kind of slow-speed crash that would have torn off paneling in this fashion, with no fires, leaving them largely intact. Fetzer has been so impressed with his research he has invited Hanson to submit his study to Scholars for consideration for publication on its web site, 911scholars.org.

The Pentagon has become a kind of litmus test for rationality in the study of 9/11, Fetzer said. Those who persist in maintaining that a Boeing 757 hit the building are either unfamiliar with the evidence or cognitively impaired. Unless, he added, they want to mislead the American people. The evidence is beyond clear and compelling. It places this issue ’sbeyond a reasonable doubt’s. No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/911-truth/9...uestions/2351/

Pin d"Ar

[Pindar]

Senator Russ Feingold Confronted About 9/11

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Pin d"Ar

[exodus]

Nog een bekendheid heeft zijn publieke twijfels geuit over 9/11:

Willie Nelson: Twin Towers Were Imploded On 9/11
American icon tells Alex Jones Show he questions official story


Nelson is not the first high-profile public figure to question 9/11. In March 2006, actor Charlie Sheen voiced his doubts and was followed last year by his father Martin Sheen.

Aside from celebrities - professors, scientists and other experts the world over have questioned the inconsistencies in the official story, and the topic was most recently even a subject of serious debate in the Japanese Parliament.

In December, former Italian President Francesco Cossiga told Italy's most respected newspaper, Corriere della Sera, that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.

Former German Secretary of Defense Andreas von Bülow also went public in blaming American intelligence for instigating the attack.

Volledig artikel:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...s_imploded.htm

[illwill]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Nog een bekendheid heeft zijn publieke twijfels geuit over 9/11:



Volledig artikel:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...s_imploded.htm

Ja en? Opnieuw een persoon die iets beweerd zonder 1 enkel bewijs ervoor naar buiten te brengen. Niets nieuws onder de zon dus.