DE GROTE EURO ZONE CRISIS : The Endgame

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Herman heeft het klaargespeeld. China gaat de E.U. helpen.

China Premier Wen Jiabao vows to help on eurozone debt (Verslag + Video verklaring/toespraak)

Het blijft wel afwachten of ze hun woord houden.

Hoe triest. Dat doet mij denken toen Bush hier in Europa hulp kwam vragen voor het failliete Californie.... ah, nee, nu denk ik eraan, dat heeft hij niet gedaan

Wat is Europa toch een grote jongen he. Aan de eerste de beste diktator centen gaan bedelen.

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Hoe triest. Dat doet mij denken toen Bush hier in Europa hulp kwam vragen voor het failliete Californie.... ah, nee, nu denk ik eraan, dat heeft hij niet gedaan

Wat is Europa toch een grote jongen he. Aan de eerste de beste diktator centen gaan bedelen.

Tja, beste @patrickve, alhoewel we onze verschillen delen hebben we ook bepaalde soortgelijke denkwijzen.

Deze situatie is inderdaad intriest.

Ik had ook meer verwacht van de E.U.

zoals
- een voorbeeldige (europese) samenleving
- een sterk economisch blok

jammer genoeg is dit niet gelukt...

We zullen nog even moeten aanzien hoe allles verwatert en teloor gaat, pas nadien maken we kans op recuperatie.

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2de noodlening van 130 miljard gedeblokkeerd ?

Eurogroep neemt maandag beslissingen over Griekenland

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Deze maandag, 13 februari 2012, GS & de vernietiging van Griekenland
VPRO- Tegenlicht

De documentaire is nu online beschikbaar : Goldman Sachs en de vernietiging van Griekenland

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En hier gaan we nog een keer:
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/942/Economi...-herzien.dhtml

Voorlopig gaat het nog om een indicatie, nog geen echte rating verlaging, maar een raport van 19 pagina's vol cijfers toont duidelijk aan hoe erg het er in Europa aan toe gaat.
En de Europese politici blijven enkel maar de symtomen bestrijden, korte termijn maatregelen, maar niet de ziekte zelf.
Volgens mij streeft Europa af op een depressie terwijl de rest van de wereld er minder en minder van wakker ligt.

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En hier gaan we nog een keer:
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/942/Economi...-herzien.dhtml

Voorlopig gaat het nog om een indicatie, nog geen echte rating verlaging, maar een raport van 19 pagina's vol cijfers toont duidelijk aan hoe erg het er in Europa aan toe gaat.
En de Europese politici blijven enkel maar de symtomen bestrijden, korte termijn maatregelen, maar niet de ziekte zelf.
Volgens mij streeft Europa af op een depressie terwijl de rest van de wereld er minder en minder van wakker ligt.

Nog meer belastingen betalen zal in Belgie en andere landen de oplossing blijken...
De economie in een wurggreep.

Regering niet verrast door Europees economisch onderzoek

dinsdag 14 februari 2012 om 21u04

(Belga) Dat de Europese Commissie een diepgaand onderzoek gaat voeren naar de macro-economische toestand van België komt voor de Belgische regering niet als een verrassing. "Dit is niets nieuws. Wij weten dat en wij werken eraan", zo reageerde premier Elio Di Rupo dinsdag.

In het kader van het versterkt toezicht op het macro-economisch beleid van de lidstaten kondigde eurocommissaris Olli Rehn dinsdag aan dat een diepgaand onderzoek wordt geopend naar België en elf andere lidstaten. Vooral het verlies aan marktaandeel op de exportmarkt en de hoge staatsschuld baren de Commissie zorgen. "Dit is niets nieuws.

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Tax freedom day !

HLN - "Tax Freedom Day is contraproductief voor België"

Al dit gedoe in de media rond het niet betalen van belastingen doet mij vermoeden dat we spoedig een nieuwe wetgeving voorgeschoteld gaan krijgen om 'dit probleem' 'op te lossen'. (Lees: hardhandig aan te pakken)

Welcome new taxes !!! (soon)

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Nigel Farage, 15 FEB 2012

Farage: Globalist Troika Driving Greece Towards Violent Revolution

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Laten we een ding duidelijk vaststellen: Farage is een uitstekende debater. Het criminele tuig wat daar overwegend zit te zitten is daar redelijk benauwd voor en negeren hem (Farage) volkomen.

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Laten we een ding duidelijk vaststellen: Farage is een uitstekende debater. Het criminele tuig wat daar overwegend zit te zitten is daar redelijk benauwd voor en negeren hem (Farage) volkomen.

Nigel Farage, de Europese Ron Paul ?

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Ken Livingstone: "Hang elke week een bankier op"


In China heeft dit reeds ettelijke malen toegepast.

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Interview met Farage 15 FEB 2012
-Griekenland
-Italie
Puppets en technocraten...

Nigel Farage on The Alex Jones Show - February 15th, 2012 - 1/2


Nigel Farage on The Alex Jones Show - February 15th, 2012 - 2/2



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Saving the Cancer: 'Greece sacrificed in name of dying EU'

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Hoe meer ik van Farage zie des te meer waardeer ik hem. Hij noemt de dingen bij hun namen.

Voorbeeld van een achterlijke gek: Maxime Verhagen.

Een bellenblazende klunskabouter. " De ACTA dient om kinderporno van het internet te verwijderen ...." Hij zei het echt. Een schoolvoorbeeld van een totale nitwit.
Kijk, met dit soort figuren is de politiek gevuld. Ze snappen helemaal niets maar zitten hun politieke spelletjes te spelen met beroepscriminelen uit de VS.

Geef mij Farage die zegt dat het immigratiebeleid een lachertje is.
Duidelijk toch .....?

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23 Maart 2012, Griekse default : De tijdlijn ?

GREEK DEFAULT EXCLUSIVE: SENIOR US BANKERS GIVEN EXPLICIT TIMETABLE FOR ATHENS DEFAULT

DOCUMENTS RAISE AWKWARD QUESTIONS FOR WASHINGTON, IMF & BERLIN

A written document giving firm dates and detailed actions for a planned Greek default has been in the possession of two top Wall Street bank currency trading bosses since the second week in January. The Slog has separate but corroborative sources affirming the existence of the document, and a conviction among senior bank staff that – at least at the time – the plan represented “a timetable, not a contingency”. The plan gives a firm date of March 23rd for default to be announced after the close of business.

Senior bankers on Wall Street have been given detailed documentation setting out a timetable to Greek default, including firm dates and technical ‘orders’ about last use of the euro as a currency there. The revelation arrived at Slogger’s Roost last Monday, since when I have been trying to obtain corroboration. This arrived in the early hours of today (Thursday). One of the banks is Barclays Capital (Barcap) run by controversial figure Bob Diamond. The other must remain anonymous for the time being, in order to protect sources.

The document asserts that Greece will officially be declared in default by all the ratings agencies after the close of business on Friday march 23rd . At the weekend all Greek bank accounts will be frozen, with emergency measures detailed to prevent the flight of capital. Included in the paperwork is a list of very limited exceptions to the ‘no withdrawals’ order. All major banks ‘are instructed not to deal with euro exchange as of open of business in Greece on Monday 25th march. All Greek markets will close for one day ‘at least’.

As yet, I have been unable to establish the source of the documents. But one of my informants admitted, “I have strongly suggested to Greek business friends and clients that they sell up fast, do a sale and leaseback on property, empty bank accounts, and change to a hard currency.”

Report: Insider Documents Detail a March 23 Greek Default Plan; Gov to Freeze Bank Accounts, Eliminate Euro, Restrict Capital Flow

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Het klinkt tamelijk logisch wat er in dat blog staat, een aantal punten had ik zelf al vastgesteld, zoals de voortdurende vertragingsacties en de daaropvolgende mededelingen dat ze allemaal het volste vertrouwen hebben.

Frage speculeert niet wanneer hij bang is voor een algemene volksopstand in Griekenland.
De rol van Barroso en Van Rompuy is hier ook in het licht gezet en de vraag is nu wat deze heren precies van plan zijn nu de de speelkaarten niet (meer) in handen hebben maar dat het Merkel, Schauble, Juncker en Drghi zijn die onderling de Griekse hulp aan het verdelen zijn of beter gezegd dat ze die nodig hebben voor Italie en Frankrijk, en misschien Spanje. En dat ze de Grieken laten slachtofferenb en naar hun drachme laten terugkeren.

Dan hebben we het nog niet over de Yanken. Want die zijn van plan om fliink te profiteren van de Griekse chaos.

De vraag is nu hoe lang gaan ze de boel tegenhouden? Iedere keer wordt de faillissementsdatum opgeschoven en daarom vraag ik me af of het allemaal wel waar is wat er geschreven wordt en in hoeverre Griekenland afhankelijk is van de Euro. Dat ze niet meer uit de kas kunnen stelen, dat is ondertussen wel duidelijk.

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Inderdaad @D'ARTOIS. Blijkbaar is er een plan D in de maak...

Zero Hedge - Germany, Greece Quietly Prepare For "Plan D"

For several weeks now we have been warning that while the conventional wisdom is that Europe will never let Greece slide into default, Germany has been quietly preparing for just that. This culminated on Friday when the schism between Merkel, who is of the persuasion that Greece should remain in the Eurozone, and her Finmin, Wolfgang "Dr. Strangle Schauble" Schauble, who isn't, made Goldman Sachs itself observe that there is: "Growing dissent between Chancellor Merkel and finance minister Schäuble regarding Greece." We now learn, courtesy of the Telegraph's Bruno Waterfield, that Germany is far deeper in Greece insolvency preparations than conventional wisdom thought possible (if not Zero Hedge, where we have been actively warning for over two weeks that Germany is perfectly eager and ready to roll the dice on a Greek default). Yet it is not only Germany that is getting ready for the inevitable. So is Greece.

From the Telegraph: "The German finance ministry is actively pushing for Greece to declare itself bankrupt and to agree a "haircut" on the bulk of its debts held by banks, a move that would be classed as a default by financial markets.Eurozone finance ministers meet on Monday to approve the next tranche of loans from the EU and the International Monetary Fund, designed to stave off national bankruptcy while the new Greek government puts the country's finances in order. But the severe austerity measures being demanded have caused such fury in Greece, and the cuts required are so deep, that Wolfgang Schäuble, the German finance minister, does not believe that any government would be able to implement them." Funny - it is as if Schauble almost knows that any self-respecting country would tell Germany to go to hell. Then again, this is Greece, whose puppet government is one which only answers to banker demands. And we hardly have to remind readers that of every dollar in bailout cash, Greece only sees 19 cents of it. Then again this is Greece, which is full of sound and fury for a day or two, then is happy to pick up the bar of vaseline for the next 6 months until the cycle repeats anew.

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Staat er een militaire staatsgreep op til in Griekenland ?

EXPRESS - FEARS OF ARMY COUP AS GREECE HITS MELTDOWN

FEARS of a military coup were mounting last night as Greece grappled with financial meltdown.

The crisis saw shares in London fall yesterday and the euro hit a three-week low as banks, including RBS and Barclays, were threatened with having their credit ratings downgraded.

Former Chancellor Lord Lamont warned that Greece was “the canary in the mine...a warning of dangers to come.” The appearance of several high-ranking army officers sitting next to Greek president Karolos Papoulias at a meeting on Wednesday, when he criticised Germany, fuelled speculation of a military takeover.

Mr Papoulias said ominously: “The politicians should take an example from our soldiers. They always stayed true to the native country.” It would not be the first time Greece has succumbed to military rule. A brutal junta led the country from 1967 to 1974.

Former German general Harald Kujat yesterday expressed his fears of a coup. And after the riots in Athens earlier this week, above, there were calls for tanks to be deployed to protect banks.

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De EU-ministers van Financiën brengen goed nieuws deze maal; de deal met Griekenland aangaande het tweede bailoutpakket is bijna rond. Chaos zal op deze manier 'voorlopig' vermeden worden.

Finance Ministers Look to Sign Off on Greek Deal

BRUSSELS—Euro-zone finance ministers met on Monday, expressing optimism they would agree on a long-awaited debt restructuring and second bailout for Greece, but fundamental doubts remain about the economic and political viability of the plan pushed by Greece's international creditors.

The restructuring and €130 billion ($170.9 billion) aid package addresses the most pressing problem facing Greece and the euro zone: a chaotic default on its debt next month that could reignite turmoil in government-bond markets after several months of relative calm.

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Lees ook : Athens News - Venizelos: Bailout uncertainty to end

"We expect today the long period of uncertainty – which was in the interest of neither the Greek economy nor the euro zone as a whole – to end," Venizelos was quoted as saying in a finance ministry statement.

"The Greek people send to Europe the message that they have made, and will make, the necessary sacrifices for our country to regain its position of equality within the European family."

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Een zeer interessant interview met Miki Theodorakis

Interview: Theodorakis’ call to arms

Lees ook op zijn blog : AN OPEN LETTER TO INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC OPINION : THE TRUTH ABOUT GREECE

There is an international conspiracy whose target is the complete destruction of my country. They began in 1975 aiming at Modern Greek civilization, continued with the distortion of our modern history and our national identity and they are now trying to eliminate us biologically as well through unemployment, hunger and impoverishment. If Greek people don’t rise as one in order to prevent them, the danger of Greece becoming extinct is evident. I place it within the next ten years. There will be nothing left of us but the memory of our civilization and our battles for freedom.

Until 2009, there was no serious economic problem. The major wounds of our economy were the enormous expenses related to the purchase of war material and the corruption of a part of the political and economic-journalistic sector. For both of these wounds, foreigners are jointly responsible. Germans, for instance, as well as French, English and Americans, earned billions of Euros from annual sales of war material, to the detriment of our national wealth. That continuous hemorrhage brought us to our knees and did not permit us to move forward, while at the same time it made foreign nations prosperous. The same was true of the problem of corruption. The German company Siemens, for instance, maintained a special department for buying off Greek stakeholders in order to place its products in the Greek market. Hence, the Greek people have been victims of that predatory duo of Greeks and Germans, growing richer at their expense.

It is obvious that these two big wounds could have been avoided if the leaders of the two pro-American parties in power hadn’t been eroded by corrupt elements who resorted to excessive loans in order to cover the leakage of wealth (the product of the Greek people’s labor) into the hands of foreign countries, resulting in the public debt reaching 300 billion Euros, i.e. 130% of GDI (Gross Domestic Income).

Due to that confidence trick, the foreigners I mentioned before made a double profit: firstly from the sales of the weapons and their products. Secondly, from the interest on the money they lent to the governments and not to the people. As we have seen, the people were the primary victims in both cases. A single example should convince you: the interests on the one billion dollar loan that Andreas Papandreou received in 1986 from a big European country reached 54 billion Euros and was eventually paid back in … 2010!

Mr Juncker declared a year ago that he had realized the Greeks’ financial hemorrhage caused by the excessive (and compulsory) expenses in buying war materials exclusively from Germany and France. And he concluded that our sellers were leading us on a path to destruction. However, he confesses that he didn’t take any action in order not to hurt the interests of friendly countries!

In 2008 came the big financial crisis in Europe. It was therefore only logical that the Greek economy should be affected. However, our living standards, high enough for Greece to be ranked among the 30 richest countries in the world, remained unaffected. There was an increase, though, in public debt. But public debt doesn’t necessarily lead to financial crisis. There are big countries, like the U.S. and Germany, with debts amounting to trillions of Euros. The key is in economic growth and production. In that case, one can borrow from large Banks with an interest rate of up to 5%, until the crisis ends.

That was exactly our position in 2009, when the government shift took place in November and G. Papandreou took over as prime minister. In order for the current opinion of the Greek to become clearer I cite two figures: in the elections of 2009 PASOK gained 44% of the votes. Today the polls give PASOK 6% of the public support.

Mr. Papandreou could have dealt with the financial crisis (which as I have said reflected the European one) by borrowing from foreign Banks under the usual interest rate of under 5%. If he had done that, there wouldn’t have been the slightest problem for our country. In fact, the opposite would have occurred; because we were on an economic growth path, our standard of living would certainly have risen.

However, Mr. Papandreou had already begun his conspiracy against the Greek people since the summer of 2009, when he secretly met with Strauss-Kahn, with the objective of driving Greece under the domination of the IMF. The information concerning this meeting was released by the former President of the IMF himself.

For the situation to reach that end, the country’s real financial status had to be distorted, so that foreign Banks would become nervous and raise the loan interest rates to prohibitive figures. That odious project began with the phony raising of the Public Deficit from 9,2% to 15%. For that felonious deed, the District Attorney, Mr. Peponis indicted Messrs Papandreou and Papakonstantinou (Minister of Finance) 20 days ago. What followed was the systematic campaign by Mr. Papandreou and the Ministry of Finance throughout Europe that lasted 5 months, during which they tried to persuade the foreigners that Greece was a Titanic about to sink, that Greeks were corrupt, lazy and therefore incapable of dealing with the country’s needs. After each of their declarations the interest rates increased, so that it became impossible for us to borrow any more, giving IMF and the European Bank the appearance of being our slavation, when in reality it was the beginning of our death.

In May 2010 a single Minister signed the notorious Memorandum, our complete subservience to our lenders. Greek law stipulates, in such situations, that the adoption of such an important agreement must be decided by three fifths of the Parliament. Therefore, in essence, the Memorandum and the Troika that essentially govern us today, operate illegally not only under Greek but also under European law.

By now since then, if the steps leading us to our death are twenty, we are already more than half way there. Imagine that with this Memorandum we concede to foreigners our National Independence and our National Property. That is, our harbours, airports, road networks, electricity, water supply, subterranean and underwater wealth, etc., etc. Add to that our historical monuments, like the Acropolis, Delphi, Olympia, Epidaurus and such sites, since we have waived all our legal defenses.

Production has come to a standstill, the unemployment rate has reached 18%, 80.000 shops have closed down, along with thousands of small businesses and hundreds of industries. In total, 432.000 enterprises have shut down. Tens of thousands of young scientists are abandoning the country, which is every day sinking into medieval darkness. Thousands formerly wealthy citizens are scavenging on rubbish heaps and sleeping on the pavement.

In the meantime, we are supposed to be surviving thanks to the magnanimity of our lenders, the Europe of the Banks and the IMF. In reality, every package deal which charges Greece with tens of billions of Euros is repaid in full, while we are burdened with new unbearable interest rates. And since it is necessary to maintain the State, the Hospitals and the Schools, the Troika is burdening the middle and lower economic strata of society with excessive taxes, leading directly to starvation. A famine took place at the beginning of the German occupation in 1941, with 300.000 people dead in a period of 6 months. Since then, the ghost of hunger is now returning to our defamed and unfortunate country.

If one considers that the German occupation cost us one million people dead and the total destruction of our country, how is it possible for us Greeks to accept Ms Merkel’s threats and the Germans’ intention to impose on us a new Gauleiter… This time wearing a tie…

And to prove just how rich a country is Greece and how hard working and conscious the Greek people (conscious of their Debt to Freedom and love of their country), I cite as an example the time of the German occupation from 1941 until October of 1944.
When the SS and hunger killed one million citizens and the Wehrmacht was systematically destroying the country, and stealing all its agricultural production and the gold from the Banks, Greeks saved the people from hunger by creating the National Solidarity Movement and a partisan army of 100.000, which tied down 20 German divisions in our country.

At the same time not only did Greeks manage to survive thanks to their hard work, but there was also a large growth in Modern Greek art -especially in literature and music- under the terrible conditions of the occupation.
Greece chose the path of self-sacrifice for the sake of freedom and simultaneously of survival.

That is when we were unnecessarily punished, and we responded with Solidarity and Resistance and we survived. Now we are doing exactly the same thing, with the certainty that the Greek people will be the ultimate victors. This is the message I am sending to Ms Merkel and Mr Schäuble, declaring that I remain always a friend to the German People and a fan of their great contribution to Science, Philosophy, Art, and especially Music! And the ultimate evidence of that is probably that I have entrusted the whole of my musical work to two German Publishers, Schott and Breitkopf, who are among the greatest publishers of music in the world and my co-operation with them is extremely friendly.

They are threatening to throw us out of Europe. If Europe doesn’t want Greece to be a part of it, Greece, for her part, is 10 times more unwilling to be a part of this Merkel- Sarkozy Europe.

Today, Sunday February 12, 2012, I am about to take part in the demonstrations, along with Manolis Glezos, the hero who, in the past, took the swastika down from the Acropolis, signaling the beginning of resistance against Hitler, not only in Greece but throughout Europe. Today, our streets and our squares will be flooded with hundreds of thousands of citizens who will demonstrate their rage against the government and against theTroika.
I heard, yesterday, the banker-prime minister proclaiming to the Greek people that “we have reached point zero”. But who has led us to this ZERO point within two years? Those same people, who instead of having been imprisoned, blackmail the members of the parliament to sign the New Memorandum, which is even worse than the first one and which will be implemented by the same people following the same methodology which brought us to this point ZERO. Why? Because this is what the IMF and the Euro-Group dictates, blackmailing us that if we disobey, we will go bankrupt…This is a play of the theater of the absurd. All these parties who in fact hate us (foreigners and Greeks) and are the only ones responsible for the dramatic situation to which they have led our country, threaten and blackmail, aiming at continuing their devastating work, i.e. to lead us even beyond point ZERO, to our final elimination.

We have survived very difficult situations throughout the centuries and it is certain that if they lead us to the brink of death by force, Greeks will not only survive but they will be reborn.

At this point in time, I have devoted all my efforts to an attempt to dynamically unify the Greek people. I am trying to convince them that IMF and Troika is not a one-way street, that there is an alternative solution. And that solution is to radically change the course of our nation and turn towards Russia for economic co-operation and the setting up of joint ventures in order to exploit our natural wealth under beneficial terms that will safeguard our national interests.

As for Europe, I suggest we stop buying war material from Germany and France. And that we do everything in our power so that Germany pays back the war reparations they owe us and which currently amount to approximately–including the appropriate interest- 500 billion Euros.

The only force capable of effecting all these revolutionary changes is the Greek people, unified under a huge Front of Resistance and Solidarity in order to remove the Troika (the IMF and the European banks) from our country. At the same time all their illegal actions (loans, debts, interest, taxes, privatization of national wealth) should be considered as if they never took place. Naturally, their Greek partners, already condemned in our conscience as traitors, will have to be punished.

I am totally dedicated, body and soul, to this cause (the unification of the People in one Front) and I believe that I will be proved right in the end. I have fought, gun in hand, against Hitler’s occupation. I have experienced the Gestapo’s dungeons. I have been sentenced to death by Germans and have miraculously survived. In 1967 I founded PAF (The Patriotic Anti-dictatorial Front), the first resistance organization against the military junta. I fought underground, was caught and imprisoned in the junta’s “slaughterhouse”. Once again I survived.

I am today 87 years old and it is very possible that I will not live to see the salvation of my beloved country. But I will die with a clear conscience, because I will continue doing my Duty towards the ideals of Freedom and Justice until the end.

Athens, 12.2.2012
Mikis Theodorakis