De grote 9/11 topic - Pagina 266

ericdubay · 7 mei 2008, 15:29

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Just as I thought things couldn't get crazier, you write this little gem. Priceless, really!

So if I got this right, I represent the devil because of my nickname on politics.be? Cool!

No but as I've mentioned many Mason/agents monitor internet message boards in an attempt to sway human thought away from the conspiratorial reality. So what is "Fox's" post history? Does he say 9/11 wasn't an inside job? Does he defend establishment positions? Does he humorize/trivialize important issues and seem unswayed by argument?

From what I can tell, Polly Correct and Alex2018 are Mason/agents, but most of you think I'm some nut just pointing fingers. This symbology/numerology is how Mason/agents recognize each other online... in the real world they have secret handshakes, hand signs, and phrases to recognize each other. I'm not being paranoid, research Masonry yourselves, this is how the world works folks. Nothing to be worried or paranoid about, it's just a reality that the internet is monitored constantly by Mason/agents and Politics.be is no exception.

ericdubay · 7 mei 2008, 15:33

For those of you who hear "conspiracy" and run off, here's some scientific data regarding 9/11:

The official story of what happened on 9/11, backed by both the Bush administration and the Kean Commission’s “investigation” is as follows: On September 11th, 2001, 19 Al-Qaeda terrorists, under the direction of Osama bin Laden, hijacked 4 commercial airliners, flew 2 into the World Trade Center towers, 1 into the Pentagon, and crashed the last in Shankesville, Pennsylvania after a passenger revolt onboard. The 2 Trade Center towers burned for 56 and 103 minutes respectively before collapsing symmetrically at near free-fall speed into their own footprint. Another building not hit by a plane, the 47-story World Trade Center 7 building, also collapsed at free-fall speed many hours later allegedly due to internal fires and structural damage from falling debris. While on the surface this explanation for the 9/11 events may seem plausible, it does not stand up to critical scrutiny.

To begin with, if the official story is true, World Trade Center buildings 1, 2, and 7 all made history on 9/11 by being the first and only steel-framed buildings ever to collapse from fire or a plane crash. Steel-framed buildings have burned for up to 28 hours, gutting the entire interiors, but still not collapsed. The Empire State building was hit by a B-25 and never collapsed. Hundreds of architects and engineers at www.ae911truth.org and WTC designer/architect Minoura Yamasaki himself have expressed repeatedly that the World Trade Center buildings were specifically built to withstand an airplane collision of that magnitude. There even used to be an information sign at the top assuring visitors of just that. And since the buildings stood strong for a good hour after impact, it is safe to say the collapses were not caused by the plane crashes.

The official story states that fires from burning jet fuel weakened the buildings’ steel beams until they gave way and collapsed. In the past, all over the world steel buildings have burned uncontrollably for over 20 hours, completely decimating every floor and not collapsed. Not once in history had one fallen from fire, until 9/11 when WTC buildings 1, 2, and 7 supposedly all did. The National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) reports that the temperatures of jet fuel fires do not exceed 1800 degrees Fahrenheit and steel does not begin to melt until 2800 degrees. This means they would have us believe jet fuel fires burning 1000 degrees below steel’s melting point, for only 56 and 103 minutes, on only 8 and 5 floors respectively, was enough to bring down the twin towers. Even giving them the benefit of the doubt, assuming that jet fuel fires did somehow weaken the steel frames enough to bring down the buildings how is it possible that they collapsed at the speed of gravity? The official story is that fire induced structural failure caused each floor to collapse and pancake on top of one another. This “pancake theory,” however, is seriously at odds with Newton’s gravitational theory.

"In order for a floor to fall, hundreds of joints had to break almost simultaneously on 236 exterior columns and 47 core columns … For a 1,300-foot building, ten seconds is almost free-fall speed. But if each floor produced just a little resistance, so that breaking through each one took a half second, the collapse of all those floors - 80 or 95 of them - would have taken 40 to 47 seconds. Can we really believe that the upper part of the buildings encountered virtually no resistance from the lower parts? The problem would be even worse in relation to the North Tower, at least if Hufschmid is right to say that it fell in eight seconds, which would be exactly free-fall speed ‘How,’ he asks, ‘could the debris crush 100 steel and concrete floors while falling as fast as objects fall through air?’” -David Icke, “Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center”

News footage, firefighters, ground-zero workers and other witnesses reported molten metal flowing out of windows preceding the collapse, and huge pools collected in the basement area remaining in molten form for over 5 weeks. For fire to produce molten steel, it absolutely must be over 2800 degrees Fahrenheit, and jet fuel burns at 1000 degrees cooler than that. What can account for this? Professor Steven Jones, a physics professor at BYU points out that thermite combustion is a process used in controlled demolitions which produces high temperature molten metal. In his paper, “Why Indeed did the WTC Buildings Collapse” Jones wrote, “molten metal was repeatedly observed and formally reported in the rubble piles of the WTC Towers and WTC 7, metal that looked like molten steel or perhaps iron … I maintain that these observations are consistent with the use of high-temperature cutter-charges such as thermite, HDX or RDX or some combination thereof, routinely used to melt/cut/demolish steel.”

The idea that explosive charges were placed inside the building is supported by literally hundreds of eyewitnesses, seismic recordings, video footage, and Isaac Newton. Firefighters and scores of witnesses on CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS all talked about bombs going off that day, but once Osama bin Laden had been blamed, it was never again addressed by the mainstream media or the Kean Commission. Teresa Veliz, for one, was working on the 47th floor of the North Tower when Flight 11 hit. She was quoted saying, “there were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. There was another explosion, and another, I didn’t know where to run.” Live on ABC as one of the towers came down, Peter Jennings commented, “Anybody who has ever watched a building being demolished on purpose knows that if you’re going to do this you have to get at the under infrastructure of a building and bring it down.” After building 7 came down, Dan Rather live on CBS News said, “For the third time today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before when a building was deliberately destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down.” One of the firefighters up in the second tower, Louie Cacchioli, told “People Weekly” that “I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building.” William Rodriguez, a janitor in Sub-level 1 of the World Trade Center testified to bombs exploding in the basement several seconds before the planes even hit the buildings! His testimony was completely ignored by the 9/11 Commission report.

Also seismographic data from a nearby observatory showed two spikes of 2.1 and 2.3 Richter at the instant the collapses began. This too indicates explosive charges, because if the towers simply “pancaked” down, the seismographic spikes would happen when the massive debris hit the ground, not at the start of the collapse. In all, the number of people claiming to see, hear, detect, or suspect bombs in the buildings is staggering. Add to this the visual evidence from footage of the collapse, in which Demolitions experts have pointed out “squibs” characteristic of controlled implosions. Squibs are charges that go off early below the line of detonation as the buildings are coming down. If you play the twin towers’ collapses in slow-motion you will notice dozens of squibs blowing out the sides ahead of time.

Another massive piece of evidence omitted from all mention by the Kean Commission, was the third building that collapsed on 9/11 - WTC 7. This 47-story building housed offices of the CIA, DOD, IRS, and the Secret Service, as well as Rudy Giuliani’s emergency bunker, and a large SEC database of over 3000 files on pending Wall Street investigations. At 5:20pm, building 7 symmetrically collapsed into its own footprint in 6 seconds flat. This building was not hit by a plane, suffered only minor structural damage, and had isolated fires on a few floors. Also, Demolitions experts have identified building 7’s characteristic “kink” just before it was brought down. A kink is where the building begins to fold inwards after the central support beams are blown. Standard procedure for implosions, they pull the middle infrastructure first and let the floors fold into one another, instead of dangerously blowing debris outwards.

Added to this, in September 2002, WTC complex owner Larry Silverstein accidentally admitted in an interview, “I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it’. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.” Since letting this slip in the interview Silverstein has tried to explain away his statement saying he meant “pull the firefighters out,” not “pull the building down.” But the fact of the matter is he said “pull it” a common demolitions term, not “pull (them) out” referring to firefighters. Later on in the same documentary, preceding the controlled demolition of WTC building 6, a cleanup worker even says, “we’re getting ready to pull building six.” It is typical jargon when imploding a building.

In another interesting twist, the British BBC news actually reported on the collapse of building 7 at 4:57pm – 23 minutes before it happened! As the journalist is talking about building 7’s demise, it can be seen still standing over her left shoulder. CNN also had a similar report an hour before WTC 7 came down saying “we are getting information now that one of the other buildings; building 7 … has either collapsed or is collapsing.” Anyone else curious where CNN and the BBC are getting their information?

A few miles away in Arlington, Virginia, the official story states that American Airlines flight 77 was hijacked and crashed into the side of the Pentagon at 9:38am. In the minutes preceding, the plane allegedly performed a highly technical 330 degree banking turn descending 7000 ft. in 3 minutes at over 500mph. Many pilots have gone on the record stating that this is absolutely impossible, like commercial and Air Force pilot Russ Wittenburg who told Wing TV, “[Flight 77] could not possibly have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast when you start pulling those high G maneuvers. That plane would have fallen out of the sky.” Assuming a hijacker really did pull off this impossible maneuver, by doing so, he stupidly took the plane away from important sections housing the Joint Chiefs and Donald Rumsfeld’s office, to a recently renovated, unimportant part of the Pentagon.

As news teams arrived on the scene, early footage of the Pentagon shows no skid-marks on the lawn, no bodies, no blood, no significant pieces of wreckage - just a small, smoldering 20 foot hole in the wall. After reports of secondary explosions and the roof collapsing, the hole widened marginally, but even then remained far too small to account for a 155 ft. long, 44 ft. high, 124 ft. wide, 100 ton Boeing 757. Small plane scraps were found inside and on the lawn, but most were small enough to be carried off by hand. There were no titanium engines, no indestructible landing gear, no major wing pieces, fuselage, or tail sections anywhere to be found. There were no bodies or blood anywhere either, yet supposedly forensics specialists were able to positively identify 184 of the 187 passengers through DNA work. 80 CCTV cameras were watching the point of impact at the Pentagon, including security cameras at the nearby hotel and gas station, but employees said FBI agents came within minutes to confiscate their tapes. All 80 tapes have been withheld from public view for “national security reasons,” save 5 frames they released that show the explosion but no plane.

The official story states that the 4th plane, flight 93 went down in Shanksville, Pennsylvania after a passenger revolt onboard. Witnesses in Shanksville estimated the hole was about 20 ft. long by 15 ft. wide. They said on FOX News there was really no smoke, no fire, no airplane wreckage, no titanium engines, indestructible landing gear, body/wing/tail sections, and again no blood or bodies. Wally Miller, the Somerset county coroner on the scene said, “it looked like somebody just dropped a bunch of metal out of the sky … like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10 ft. ditch and dumped trash into it … I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because there were no bodies there.” This was the second time in history that a commercial plane full of passengers crashed and obliterated into nothingness, all wreckage and bodies disappearing. The first time was earlier that morning at the Pentagon.

The official government excuse for allowing the attacks to take place was ignorance. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said, “I don’t think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center.” President Bush said his first reaction upon seeing a plane hit the tower was, “that’s some bad pilot.” Bush was busy with an elementary school photo-op that morning; even when his advisor told him of the second plane hitting the towers, he sat reading “My Pet Goat” for another 8 minutes.

“The president reportedly told the school's principal that ‘a commercial plane has hit the World Trade Center and we're going to go ahead and ... do the reading thing anyway.’ Critics find this incredible. If the hijackings were unanticipated occurrences, as claimed, with one of the hijacked airplanes having already completed its terrorist mission, the country was suffering the worst terrorist attack of its history. And yet the Commander in Chief, rather than making sure that his military was prepared to shoot down all hijacked planes, sticks to his planned schedule. This photo opportunity involved, as indicated above, the president's listening to second graders read a book about a pet goat. After Bush had been in the classroom a few minutes, his chief of staff, Andrew Card came in and whispered in his ear, reportedly telling him about the second attack. But the president, after a brief pause, had the children go ahead with the reading demonstration.” -David Icke, “Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center”

parcifal · 7 mei 2008, 15:54

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door ericdubay

From what I can tell, Polly Correct and Alex2018 are Mason/agents, but most of you think I'm some nut just pointing fingers. This symbology/numerology is how Mason/agents recognize each other online... in the real world they have secret handshakes, hand signs, and phrases to recognize each other. I'm not being paranoid, research Masonry yourselves, this is how the world works folks. Nothing to be worried or paranoid about, it's just a reality that the internet is monitored constantly by Mason/agents and Politics.be is no exception.

Congratulations, you made it to my 'ignore'-list in no more than a handfull of posts. That must be an all time record.

So long, nutjob and watch out for these animals.
They're out to get you :

Pindar · 7 mei 2008, 16:31

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There are no shape-shifters or reptilian aliens, that's disinformation. There are, however, secret societies like the Masons, Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg and the CFR... and these are where the true global power/influence is located.

I disagree with you completely about the shapeshifters. However I agree with everything stated thereafter.

Pin d"Ar

Pindar · 7 mei 2008, 16:33

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No but as I've mentioned many Mason/agents monitor internet message boards in an attempt to sway human thought away from the conspiratorial reality. So what is "Fox's" post history? Does he say 9/11 wasn't an inside job? Does he defend establishment positions? Does he humorize/trivialize important issues and seem unswayed by argument?

From what I can tell, Polly Correct and Alex2018 are Mason/agents, but most of you think I'm some nut just pointing fingers. This symbology/numerology is how Mason/agents recognize each other online... in the real world they have secret handshakes, hand signs, and phrases to recognize each other. I'm not being paranoid, research Masonry yourselves, this is how the world works folks. Nothing to be worried or paranoid about, it's just a reality that the internet is monitored constantly by Mason/agents and Politics.be is no exception.

Yes, as I have stated many times before they are on politics.
And I am rather sure Miss Firestone is one.
Trying to sway us away from what is realy happening,
If she is not though, wel, that tells a lot then!

Pin d" Ar

Babylonia · 7 mei 2008, 17:22

I know it is only speculation but maybe you know more about it.
was it true they let people go on the plane all bush administration members and made them believe they would participate in a drill and the hijjacking was staged for operation vigilant and they just needed to cooperate? but what happened to the plane It landed? one serial number of plane is presumably found back some where a baf told me. thats why the planes where so little occupied. it is just speculation by arabic telefone....no proven facts

Miss firestone had information of the eu parliament meeting on 911 she couldnot have because she stated she was not there she was clearly breefed the day after
the mods here donot seem to understand we are dealing with hihg level state sponsored terrorisme and i donot like such people to be here 30 000 messages long. they are very naive.

Jazeker · 7 mei 2008, 17:55

This thread is starting to pull on this one.

Babylonia · 7 mei 2008, 19:23

Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

September 17, 2001 Posted: 11:21 AM EDT (1521 GMT)

EXTRA INFORMATION
Osama bin Laden

Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden's denial, President Bush said, "No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that."

Since Tuesday's terrorist attacks against the United States, Bush has repeatedly threatened to strike out against terrorism and any nation that supports or harbors its disciples.

Bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi-born exile, has lived in Afghanistan for several years. U.S. officials blame him for earlier strikes on U.S. targets, including last year's attack on the USS Cole in Yemen and the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998.

Bin Laden's campaign stems from the 1990 decision by Saudi Arabia to allow U.S. troops into the kingdom after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait -- a military presence that has become permanent.

In a 1997 CNN interview, bin Laden called the U.S. military presence an "occupation of the land of the holy places."

Immediately after the attacks that demolished the World Trade Center's landmark twin towers and seriously damaged the Pentagon, officials of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban said they doubted bin Laden could have been involved in carrying out the actions.

The Taliban -- the fundamentalist Islamic militia that seized power in Afghanistan in 1996 -- denied his ties to terrorism and said they have taken away all his means of communication with the outside world.

The repressive Taliban regime has received almost universal condemnation, particularly for their harsh treatment of women. Only three countries, including Pakistan, recognize them as the country's rightful government.

A high-level Pakistani delegation was set to travel to Afghanistan on Monday to urge Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar to hand over bin Laden, CNN learned Sunday.

The Taliban, which controls more than 90 percent of the country, has threatened any neighboring country that allows its soil to be used to help the United States stage an attack on Afghanistan.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/1...nladen.denial/

effe bewaren hier

Babylonia · 7 mei 2008, 19:26

iemand zin om te reageren?
dat ik het niet altijd ben.
Dat ik schrik als ik zie dat een schrijver Tony Blair citeert voor een mooi geschreven artikel omdat hij onder verdenking staat van genocide en een moordenaar is heeft toch maar iemand verwijderd als commentaar volgens mij
ik kan het toch niet meer vinden. enfin kritiek.... scencuur...

http://www.mediakritiek.be/blog/2008...the_truth.html

Babylonia · 7 mei 2008, 22:41

ook op de nieuwe site van de gva kan je makkelijk reageren.

http://www.gva.be/nieuws/buitenland/

ericdubay · 8 mei 2008, 05:55

Osama Bin Laden's son Omar has come out publicly saying that the man in America's videos is NOT his dad. He verifies what was reported all over Asia but never touched in the American media: Osama Bin Laden died in December 2001!!!

http://www.infowars.com/?p=1596

In a statement issued to Al Jazeera just days after the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden said, “The US government has consistently blamed me for being behind every [attack]. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seem to have been planned by people for personal reasons.” Weeks later Japanese, Chinese, and Indian news reports all confirmed Osama’s death, but then on December 14th, 2001, the US government came out with “The Bin Laden Confession Tapes,” starring someone whom we are told is Osama bin Laden, yet looks and acts nothing like him. His beard changes color, his skin darkens and his face fattens. He is actually seen signing a paper with his right hand, even though Osama bin Laden is left handed. He claims responsibility for the 9/11 attacks and said he did so because he “hates our freedom.” This fake Osama is still alive and well hiding in the caves of sheeple’s minds world-wide.

Akufen · 8 mei 2008, 12:52

VIDEO: Provocateur Attacks WeAreChange
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread353768/pg1

Geert C · 8 mei 2008, 13:05

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iemand zin om te reageren?
dat ik het niet altijd ben.
Dat ik schrik als ik zie dat een schrijver Tony Blair citeert voor een mooi geschreven artikel omdat hij onder verdenking staat van genocide en een moordenaar is heeft toch maar iemand verwijderd als commentaar volgens mij
ik kan het toch niet meer vinden. enfin kritiek.... scencuur...

http://www.mediakritiek.be/blog/2008...the_truth.html

Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once: Blair staat NIET onder verdenking van genocide.

illwill · 8 mei 2008, 14:10

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Rustig maar hoor, ik doe mijn best je proberen te begrijpen.

Daarom vraag ik het je. waar moet ik dan mee aankomen?

weer rare redenatie. Omdat ik er niet bij was kan ik het niet rechtstreeks bewijzen bedoel je? Dus als ik er niet ben geweest kan ik geen bewijs geven?
Je wordt naamate ik meer vraag steeds waziger man.

Nogmaals, welk bewijs zul je hiervoor aanvaarden dan?????
Wat ik van jou zou kunnen vragen zijn bv getuigen die dit beweerd hebben, en die zijn er ook, maar ja ze staan b in een kranteartikel.

Ja het is moeilijk ja! Omdat als we met een bewijs aankomen jij simpelweg kan zeggen dat het geen bewijs is, Als ik je vraag wat je als bewijs aanvaard wordt het heel anders. Maar ik verwacht eerlijk gezegd dat je dan nog draait.
Hoe bewijs je dat er water in de riolering zit? Gewoon kijken, maar dat kan dus niet altijd. Maar jij kan duidelijk dus niet aangeven wat je wel en wat je niet als bewijs aanvaard. Dat wil ik eerst eens boven tafel hebben, voor we eventueel verder kunnen, maar dat kan je dus blijkbaar al niet aangeven.

of wel?

Pin d" Ar

4x Pindar?

We komen er wel.

We gaan verder met het water in de riolering.
Je zegt gewoon kijken. Maar dat kan je niet, zoals jij niet in NY zit onderzoek te voeren. Dus wat zou het volgende moeten zijn om jou ervan te overtuigen dat er water in de riolering zit? Of welk BEWIJS kan ik jou geven zodat er zeker water in de riolering zit?

eti1777 · 8 mei 2008, 15:11

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VIDEO: Provocateur Attacks WeAreChange
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread353768/pg1

Het zou toch helpen om de hele 'moustache' scene te zien te krijgen (en de minuten ervoor) om hem echt als provocateur te bestempelen eerder dan 'geestelijk minder bevoordeeld'. NH zegt als verdediging daarvoor 3 klappen in het gezicht te hebben gekregen.
Langs de andere kant(Our Enemies in Blue);

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The first is intelligence collection-such as infiltrating groups with informants, wiretapping or opening letters. The second is dissemination of material which has been collected. The third is covert action designed to disrupt and discredit the activities of groups and individuals deemed a threat to the social order. These three types of "intelligence" activity are closely related in the practical world. Information which is disseminated by the intelligence community or used in disruptive programs has usually been obtained through surveillance."

Furthermore, the same techniques may be used for more than one goal simultaneously. Surveillance has its obvious uses in collecting information, but conspicuous surveillance may also be used to harass the target, breed paranoia and feelings of persecution, and so on. Likewise, informants can supply information, but they can also be used to disrupt a group's organizing efforts, engaging in routine sabotage, provoking rivalries and in-fighting, and encouraging illegal (especially violent) activity".

bron

ericdubay · 8 mei 2008, 16:02

Is everyone aware the CIA created Al-Quieda and the Taliban?

1979-1989 CIA Operation Cyclone, with joint funding from Britain’s MI6, heavily armed and trained over 100,000 Afghani Mujahideen (“holy warriors”) during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. With the help of the Pakistani ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence), billions of dollars were given to create this Islamic army. Selig Harrison from the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars stated, “The CIA made a historic mistake in encouraging Islamic groups from all over the world to come to Afghanistan. The US provided $3 billion [now many more billion] for building up these Islamic groups, and it accepted Pakistan’s demand that they should decide how this money should be spent … Today that money and those weapons have helped build up the Taliban … [who] are now making a living out of terrorism.”

Perhaps as Harrison stated, the CIA “made a historic mistake” in creating these Jihadists, or perhaps they knew exactly what they were doing. Recently declassified DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) documents prove that the US government was long aware of the ISI’s sponsorship/creation of both the Taliban and Al Qaeda

“The United States has been part and parcel to supporting the Taliban all along, and still is let me add … You have a military government in Pakistan now that is arming the Taliban to the teeth … Let me note; that [US] aid has always gone to Taliban areas … And when people from the outside try to put aid into areas not controlled by the Taliban, they are thwarted by our own State Department … Pakistan [has] initiated a major resupply effort, which eventually saw the defeat, and caused the defeat, of almost all of the anti-Taliban forces in Afghanistan.” -Congressional Rep. Dana Rohrbacher, the House International Relations Committee on Global Terrorism and South Asia, 2000

British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook stated before the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not actually a terrorist group, but a database of international Mujahadden and arms dealers/smugglers used by the CIA to funnel arms, money, and guerrillas. The word “Al Qaeda” itself literally translates to “the database.” Not only did the CIA create the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, they continued funding them right up to the 9/11 attacks blamed on them. For example, four months prior to 9/11, in May, 2001, Colin Powell gave another $43 million in aid to the Taliban.

“Not even the corporate US media could whitewash these facts and so explained it away by alleging that US officials had sought cooperation from Pakistan because it was the original backer of the Taliban, the hard-line Islamic leadership of Afghanistan accused by Washington of harboring Bin Laden. Then the so called ‘missing link’ came when it was revealed that the head of the ISI was the principal financier of the 9/11 hijackers … Pakistan and the ISI is the go between of the global terror explosion. Pakistan's military-intelligence apparatus, which literally created and sponsored the Taliban and Al Qaeda, is directly upheld and funded by the CIA. These facts are not even in dispute, neither in the media nor in government. Therefore when we are told by the neocon heads of the new world order that they are doing everything in their power to dismantle the global terror network what we are hearing is the exact opposite of the truth. They assembled it, they sponsored it and they continue to fund it. As any good criminal should, they have a middleman to provide plausible deniability, that middleman is the ISI and the military dictatorship of Pakistan.” -Steve Watson, “U.S. Intel Officer: Al Qaeda Leadership Allowed to Operate Freely” (http://www.infowars.net/articles/july2007/160707ISI.htm)

Major Pierre-Henri Bunel, a French military intelligence agent, who was framed and convicted no doubt for daring to raise his voice in December, 2001, said, “The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaeda. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the devil only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money.” (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3836)

fox · 8 mei 2008, 16:05

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Is everyone aware the CIA created Al-Quieda and the Taliban?

Yes everyone is aware of that. Have you been hiding under a rock or something. They did during the cold war. The enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thing. It turned out to be a costly and tragic mistake.

Pindar · 8 mei 2008, 17:18

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Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once: Blair staat NIET onder verdenking van genocide.

people listen!

Blair, een van de grootste terroristen van deze eeuw, onder meer samen met Bush etc . staan NIET ONDER VERDENKING VAN GENOCIDE

man, wat een opluchting.!!!!!

Pin d"Ar

eti1777 · 8 mei 2008, 17:54

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Yes everyone is aware of that. Have you been hiding under a rock or something. They did during the cold war. The enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thing. It turned out to be a costly and tragic mistake.

No, not everyone is aware of that.

Gun · 8 mei 2008, 17:57

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Geert C

Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once: Blair staat NIET onder verdenking van genocide.

OK, genoeg gezeverd ... en hier nu niet meer op terug komen, u zou u belachelijk maken

7 mei 2008, 17:22	#5306
Babylonia Parlementslid Geregistreerd: 4 januari 2007 Berichten: 1.605	I know it is only speculation but maybe you know more about it. was it true they let people go on the plane all bush administration members and made them believe they would participate in a drill and the hijjacking was staged for operation vigilant and they just needed to cooperate? but what happened to the plane It landed? one serial number of plane is presumably found back some where a baf told me. thats why the planes where so little occupied. it is just speculation by arabic telefone....no proven facts Miss firestone had information of the eu parliament meeting on 911 she couldnot have because she stated she was not there she was clearly breefed the day after the mods here donot seem to understand we are dealing with hihg level state sponsored terrorisme and i donot like such people to be here 30 000 messages long. they are very naive. Laatst gewijzigd door Babylonia : 7 mei 2008 om 17:26.

7 mei 2008, 19:23	#5308
Babylonia Parlementslid Geregistreerd: 4 januari 2007 Berichten: 1.605	Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks September 17, 2001 Posted: 11:21 AM EDT (1521 GMT) EXTRA INFORMATION Osama bin Laden Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden's denial, President Bush said, "No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that." Since Tuesday's terrorist attacks against the United States, Bush has repeatedly threatened to strike out against terrorism and any nation that supports or harbors its disciples. Bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi-born exile, has lived in Afghanistan for several years. U.S. officials blame him for earlier strikes on U.S. targets, including last year's attack on the USS Cole in Yemen and the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998. Bin Laden's campaign stems from the 1990 decision by Saudi Arabia to allow U.S. troops into the kingdom after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait -- a military presence that has become permanent. In a 1997 CNN interview, bin Laden called the U.S. military presence an "occupation of the land of the holy places." Immediately after the attacks that demolished the World Trade Center's landmark twin towers and seriously damaged the Pentagon, officials of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban said they doubted bin Laden could have been involved in carrying out the actions. The Taliban -- the fundamentalist Islamic militia that seized power in Afghanistan in 1996 -- denied his ties to terrorism and said they have taken away all his means of communication with the outside world. The repressive Taliban regime has received almost universal condemnation, particularly for their harsh treatment of women. Only three countries, including Pakistan, recognize them as the country's rightful government. A high-level Pakistani delegation was set to travel to Afghanistan on Monday to urge Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar to hand over bin Laden, CNN learned Sunday. The Taliban, which controls more than 90 percent of the country, has threatened any neighboring country that allows its soil to be used to help the United States stage an attack on Afghanistan. http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/1...nladen.denial/ effe bewaren hier Laatst gewijzigd door Babylonia : 7 mei 2008 om 19:24.

7 mei 2008, 19:26	#5309
Babylonia Parlementslid Geregistreerd: 4 januari 2007 Berichten: 1.605	iemand zin om te reageren? dat ik het niet altijd ben. Dat ik schrik als ik zie dat een schrijver Tony Blair citeert voor een mooi geschreven artikel omdat hij onder verdenking staat van genocide en een moordenaar is heeft toch maar iemand verwijderd als commentaar volgens mij ik kan het toch niet meer vinden. enfin kritiek.... scencuur... http://www.mediakritiek.be/blog/2008...the_truth.html Laatst gewijzigd door Babylonia : 7 mei 2008 om 19:30.

7 mei 2008, 15:33	#5302
ericdubay Vreemdeling Geregistreerd: 21 april 2008 Berichten: 39	For those of you who hear "conspiracy" and run off, here's some scientific data regarding 9/11: The official story of what happened on 9/11, backed by both the Bush administration and the Kean Commission’s “investigation” is as follows: On September 11th, 2001, 19 Al-Qaeda terrorists, under the direction of Osama bin Laden, hijacked 4 commercial airliners, flew 2 into the World Trade Center towers, 1 into the Pentagon, and crashed the last in Shankesville, Pennsylvania after a passenger revolt onboard. The 2 Trade Center towers burned for 56 and 103 minutes respectively before collapsing symmetrically at near free-fall speed into their own footprint. Another building not hit by a plane, the 47-story World Trade Center 7 building, also collapsed at free-fall speed many hours later allegedly due to internal fires and structural damage from falling debris. While on the surface this explanation for the 9/11 events may seem plausible, it does not stand up to critical scrutiny. To begin with, if the official story is true, World Trade Center buildings 1, 2, and 7 all made history on 9/11 by being the first and only steel-framed buildings ever to collapse from fire or a plane crash. Steel-framed buildings have burned for up to 28 hours, gutting the entire interiors, but still not collapsed. The Empire State building was hit by a B-25 and never collapsed. Hundreds of architects and engineers at www.ae911truth.org and WTC designer/architect Minoura Yamasaki himself have expressed repeatedly that the World Trade Center buildings were specifically built to withstand an airplane collision of that magnitude. There even used to be an information sign at the top assuring visitors of just that. And since the buildings stood strong for a good hour after impact, it is safe to say the collapses were not caused by the plane crashes. The official story states that fires from burning jet fuel weakened the buildings’ steel beams until they gave way and collapsed. In the past, all over the world steel buildings have burned uncontrollably for over 20 hours, completely decimating every floor and not collapsed. Not once in history had one fallen from fire, until 9/11 when WTC buildings 1, 2, and 7 supposedly all did. The National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) reports that the temperatures of jet fuel fires do not exceed 1800 degrees Fahrenheit and steel does not begin to melt until 2800 degrees. This means they would have us believe jet fuel fires burning 1000 degrees below steel’s melting point, for only 56 and 103 minutes, on only 8 and 5 floors respectively, was enough to bring down the twin towers. Even giving them the benefit of the doubt, assuming that jet fuel fires did somehow weaken the steel frames enough to bring down the buildings how is it possible that they collapsed at the speed of gravity? The official story is that fire induced structural failure caused each floor to collapse and pancake on top of one another. This “pancake theory,” however, is seriously at odds with Newton’s gravitational theory. "In order for a floor to fall, hundreds of joints had to break almost simultaneously on 236 exterior columns and 47 core columns … For a 1,300-foot building, ten seconds is almost free-fall speed. But if each floor produced just a little resistance, so that breaking through each one took a half second, the collapse of all those floors - 80 or 95 of them - would have taken 40 to 47 seconds. Can we really believe that the upper part of the buildings encountered virtually no resistance from the lower parts? The problem would be even worse in relation to the North Tower, at least if Hufschmid is right to say that it fell in eight seconds, which would be exactly free-fall speed ‘How,’ he asks, ‘could the debris crush 100 steel and concrete floors while falling as fast as objects fall through air?’” -David Icke, “Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center” News footage, firefighters, ground-zero workers and other witnesses reported molten metal flowing out of windows preceding the collapse, and huge pools collected in the basement area remaining in molten form for over 5 weeks. For fire to produce molten steel, it absolutely must be over 2800 degrees Fahrenheit, and jet fuel burns at 1000 degrees cooler than that. What can account for this? Professor Steven Jones, a physics professor at BYU points out that thermite combustion is a process used in controlled demolitions which produces high temperature molten metal. In his paper, “Why Indeed did the WTC Buildings Collapse” Jones wrote, “molten metal was repeatedly observed and formally reported in the rubble piles of the WTC Towers and WTC 7, metal that looked like molten steel or perhaps iron … I maintain that these observations are consistent with the use of high-temperature cutter-charges such as thermite, HDX or RDX or some combination thereof, routinely used to melt/cut/demolish steel.” The idea that explosive charges were placed inside the building is supported by literally hundreds of eyewitnesses, seismic recordings, video footage, and Isaac Newton. Firefighters and scores of witnesses on CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS all talked about bombs going off that day, but once Osama bin Laden had been blamed, it was never again addressed by the mainstream media or the Kean Commission. Teresa Veliz, for one, was working on the 47th floor of the North Tower when Flight 11 hit. She was quoted saying, “there were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. There was another explosion, and another, I didn’t know where to run.” Live on ABC as one of the towers came down, Peter Jennings commented, “Anybody who has ever watched a building being demolished on purpose knows that if you’re going to do this you have to get at the under infrastructure of a building and bring it down.” After building 7 came down, Dan Rather live on CBS News said, “For the third time today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before when a building was deliberately destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down.” One of the firefighters up in the second tower, Louie Cacchioli, told “People Weekly” that “I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building.” William Rodriguez, a janitor in Sub-level 1 of the World Trade Center testified to bombs exploding in the basement several seconds before the planes even hit the buildings! His testimony was completely ignored by the 9/11 Commission report. Also seismographic data from a nearby observatory showed two spikes of 2.1 and 2.3 Richter at the instant the collapses began. This too indicates explosive charges, because if the towers simply “pancaked” down, the seismographic spikes would happen when the massive debris hit the ground, not at the start of the collapse. In all, the number of people claiming to see, hear, detect, or suspect bombs in the buildings is staggering. Add to this the visual evidence from footage of the collapse, in which Demolitions experts have pointed out “squibs” characteristic of controlled implosions. Squibs are charges that go off early below the line of detonation as the buildings are coming down. If you play the twin towers’ collapses in slow-motion you will notice dozens of squibs blowing out the sides ahead of time. Another massive piece of evidence omitted from all mention by the Kean Commission, was the third building that collapsed on 9/11 - WTC 7. This 47-story building housed offices of the CIA, DOD, IRS, and the Secret Service, as well as Rudy Giuliani’s emergency bunker, and a large SEC database of over 3000 files on pending Wall Street investigations. At 5:20pm, building 7 symmetrically collapsed into its own footprint in 6 seconds flat. This building was not hit by a plane, suffered only minor structural damage, and had isolated fires on a few floors. Also, Demolitions experts have identified building 7’s characteristic “kink” just before it was brought down. A kink is where the building begins to fold inwards after the central support beams are blown. Standard procedure for implosions, they pull the middle infrastructure first and let the floors fold into one another, instead of dangerously blowing debris outwards. Added to this, in September 2002, WTC complex owner Larry Silverstein accidentally admitted in an interview, “I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it’. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.” Since letting this slip in the interview Silverstein has tried to explain away his statement saying he meant “pull the firefighters out,” not “pull the building down.” But the fact of the matter is he said “pull it” a common demolitions term, not “pull (them) out” referring to firefighters. Later on in the same documentary, preceding the controlled demolition of WTC building 6, a cleanup worker even says, “we’re getting ready to pull building six.” It is typical jargon when imploding a building. In another interesting twist, the British BBC news actually reported on the collapse of building 7 at 4:57pm – 23 minutes before it happened! As the journalist is talking about building 7’s demise, it can be seen still standing over her left shoulder. CNN also had a similar report an hour before WTC 7 came down saying “we are getting information now that one of the other buildings; building 7 … has either collapsed or is collapsing.” Anyone else curious where CNN and the BBC are getting their information? A few miles away in Arlington, Virginia, the official story states that American Airlines flight 77 was hijacked and crashed into the side of the Pentagon at 9:38am. In the minutes preceding, the plane allegedly performed a highly technical 330 degree banking turn descending 7000 ft. in 3 minutes at over 500mph. Many pilots have gone on the record stating that this is absolutely impossible, like commercial and Air Force pilot Russ Wittenburg who told Wing TV, “[Flight 77] could not possibly have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast when you start pulling those high G maneuvers. That plane would have fallen out of the sky.” Assuming a hijacker really did pull off this impossible maneuver, by doing so, he stupidly took the plane away from important sections housing the Joint Chiefs and Donald Rumsfeld’s office, to a recently renovated, unimportant part of the Pentagon. As news teams arrived on the scene, early footage of the Pentagon shows no skid-marks on the lawn, no bodies, no blood, no significant pieces of wreckage - just a small, smoldering 20 foot hole in the wall. After reports of secondary explosions and the roof collapsing, the hole widened marginally, but even then remained far too small to account for a 155 ft. long, 44 ft. high, 124 ft. wide, 100 ton Boeing 757. Small plane scraps were found inside and on the lawn, but most were small enough to be carried off by hand. There were no titanium engines, no indestructible landing gear, no major wing pieces, fuselage, or tail sections anywhere to be found. There were no bodies or blood anywhere either, yet supposedly forensics specialists were able to positively identify 184 of the 187 passengers through DNA work. 80 CCTV cameras were watching the point of impact at the Pentagon, including security cameras at the nearby hotel and gas station, but employees said FBI agents came within minutes to confiscate their tapes. All 80 tapes have been withheld from public view for “national security reasons,” save 5 frames they released that show the explosion but no plane. The official story states that the 4th plane, flight 93 went down in Shanksville, Pennsylvania after a passenger revolt onboard. Witnesses in Shanksville estimated the hole was about 20 ft. long by 15 ft. wide. They said on FOX News there was really no smoke, no fire, no airplane wreckage, no titanium engines, indestructible landing gear, body/wing/tail sections, and again no blood or bodies. Wally Miller, the Somerset county coroner on the scene said, “it looked like somebody just dropped a bunch of metal out of the sky … like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10 ft. ditch and dumped trash into it … I stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because there were no bodies there.” This was the second time in history that a commercial plane full of passengers crashed and obliterated into nothingness, all wreckage and bodies disappearing. The first time was earlier that morning at the Pentagon. The official government excuse for allowing the attacks to take place was ignorance. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said, “I don’t think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center.” President Bush said his first reaction upon seeing a plane hit the tower was, “that’s some bad pilot.” Bush was busy with an elementary school photo-op that morning; even when his advisor told him of the second plane hitting the towers, he sat reading “My Pet Goat” for another 8 minutes. “The president reportedly told the school's principal that ‘a commercial plane has hit the World Trade Center and we're going to go ahead and ... do the reading thing anyway.’ Critics find this incredible. If the hijackings were unanticipated occurrences, as claimed, with one of the hijacked airplanes having already completed its terrorist mission, the country was suffering the worst terrorist attack of its history. And yet the Commander in Chief, rather than making sure that his military was prepared to shoot down all hijacked planes, sticks to his planned schedule. This photo opportunity involved, as indicated above, the president's listening to second graders read a book about a pet goat. After Bush had been in the classroom a few minutes, his chief of staff, Andrew Card came in and whispered in his ear, reportedly telling him about the second attack. But the president, after a brief pause, had the children go ahead with the reading demonstration.” -David Icke, “Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center”

7 mei 2008, 22:41	#5310
Babylonia Parlementslid Geregistreerd: 4 januari 2007 Berichten: 1.605	ook op de nieuwe site van de gva kan je makkelijk reageren. http://www.gva.be/nieuws/buitenland/

8 mei 2008, 05:55	#5311
ericdubay Vreemdeling Geregistreerd: 21 april 2008 Berichten: 39	Osama Bin Laden's son Omar has come out publicly saying that the man in America's videos is NOT his dad. He verifies what was reported all over Asia but never touched in the American media: Osama Bin Laden died in December 2001!!! http://www.infowars.com/?p=1596 In a statement issued to Al Jazeera just days after the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden said, “The US government has consistently blamed me for being behind every [attack]. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seem to have been planned by people for personal reasons.” Weeks later Japanese, Chinese, and Indian news reports all confirmed Osama’s death, but then on December 14th, 2001, the US government came out with “The Bin Laden Confession Tapes,” starring someone whom we are told is Osama bin Laden, yet looks and acts nothing like him. His beard changes color, his skin darkens and his face fattens. He is actually seen signing a paper with his right hand, even though Osama bin Laden is left handed. He claims responsibility for the 9/11 attacks and said he did so because he “hates our freedom.” This fake Osama is still alive and well hiding in the caves of sheeple’s minds world-wide.

8 mei 2008, 12:52	#5312
Akufen Staatssecretaris Geregistreerd: 26 augustus 2006 Berichten: 2.872	VIDEO: Provocateur Attacks WeAreChange http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread353768/pg1

8 mei 2008, 16:02	#5316
ericdubay Vreemdeling Geregistreerd: 21 april 2008 Berichten: 39	Is everyone aware the CIA created Al-Quieda and the Taliban? 1979-1989 CIA Operation Cyclone, with joint funding from Britain’s MI6, heavily armed and trained over 100,000 Afghani Mujahideen (“holy warriors”) during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. With the help of the Pakistani ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence), billions of dollars were given to create this Islamic army. Selig Harrison from the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars stated, “The CIA made a historic mistake in encouraging Islamic groups from all over the world to come to Afghanistan. The US provided $3 billion [now many more billion] for building up these Islamic groups, and it accepted Pakistan’s demand that they should decide how this money should be spent … Today that money and those weapons have helped build up the Taliban … [who] are now making a living out of terrorism.” Perhaps as Harrison stated, the CIA “made a historic mistake” in creating these Jihadists, or perhaps they knew exactly what they were doing. Recently declassified DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) documents prove that the US government was long aware of the ISI’s sponsorship/creation of both the Taliban and Al Qaeda “The United States has been part and parcel to supporting the Taliban all along, and still is let me add … You have a military government in Pakistan now that is arming the Taliban to the teeth … Let me note; that [US] aid has always gone to Taliban areas … And when people from the outside try to put aid into areas not controlled by the Taliban, they are thwarted by our own State Department … Pakistan [has] initiated a major resupply effort, which eventually saw the defeat, and caused the defeat, of almost all of the anti-Taliban forces in Afghanistan.” -Congressional Rep. Dana Rohrbacher, the House International Relations Committee on Global Terrorism and South Asia, 2000 British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook stated before the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not actually a terrorist group, but a database of international Mujahadden and arms dealers/smugglers used by the CIA to funnel arms, money, and guerrillas. The word “Al Qaeda” itself literally translates to “the database.” Not only did the CIA create the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, they continued funding them right up to the 9/11 attacks blamed on them. For example, four months prior to 9/11, in May, 2001, Colin Powell gave another $43 million in aid to the Taliban. “Not even the corporate US media could whitewash these facts and so explained it away by alleging that US officials had sought cooperation from Pakistan because it was the original backer of the Taliban, the hard-line Islamic leadership of Afghanistan accused by Washington of harboring Bin Laden. Then the so called ‘missing link’ came when it was revealed that the head of the ISI was the principal financier of the 9/11 hijackers … Pakistan and the ISI is the go between of the global terror explosion. Pakistan's military-intelligence apparatus, which literally created and sponsored the Taliban and Al Qaeda, is directly upheld and funded by the CIA. These facts are not even in dispute, neither in the media nor in government. Therefore when we are told by the neocon heads of the new world order that they are doing everything in their power to dismantle the global terror network what we are hearing is the exact opposite of the truth. They assembled it, they sponsored it and they continue to fund it. As any good criminal should, they have a middleman to provide plausible deniability, that middleman is the ISI and the military dictatorship of Pakistan.” -Steve Watson, “U.S. Intel Officer: Al Qaeda Leadership Allowed to Operate Freely” (http://www.infowars.net/articles/july2007/160707ISI.htm) Major Pierre-Henri Bunel, a French military intelligence agent, who was framed and convicted no doubt for daring to raise his voice in December, 2001, said, “The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaeda. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the devil only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money.” (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3836)