aanslagen Londen

[filosoof]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door willem1940NLD

Je kunt helemaal niet op een moslim lijken tenzij hooguit door typische kledij en dat lijkt mij in dit geval wel heel onwaarschijnlijk.

Er zal echt boven tafel moeten worden gebracht hoe dit gruwelijk misverstand aanliep.

huidskleur...

[cashflow]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Flippend Rund

Misschien kan de Londense politie ook met helicopters beginnen rondvliegen in Londen en raketten afvuren op auto's waar verdachten inzitten.

in antwerpen vliegt de polies ook met helicopters (achter handtasdieven

in opdracht oa van Groen? en de anderssocialisten.

[willem1940NLD]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door filosoof

huidskleur...

Nee hoor, verscheidene moslims die ik tegenkom zijn blank en hebben blauwe ogen. Nog geen meerderheid maar wel toenemende "voorraad".
Andersom ook: veel donker tot zeer donker gekleurde mensen zijn per se geen moslim.

[filosoof]

Ik kan dit niet verifiëren, maar eraan voorbijgaan kan ik ook niet:
http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Archives.cgi
[size=1]Commentary[/size][size=1] - Jul 23, 2005
[/size]- The "Magic Bomb" Theory
[size=1]by Mark Faulk[/size] This is a story about disappearing terrorists, nonexistent bags, and botched investigations, but most of all, this is a story about magic bombs.

It's Crime Scene Investigation 101. It's the basic law of physics. It's so elementary, my dear Watson, that even a dancer who was dazed from the shock of being seated directly over the spot where one of the bombs was planted in the London tube carriage two weeks ago could figure it out.

In a seemingly innocuous article in the British newspaper Cambridge Evening News, 32 year-old dance instructor Bruce Lait, in an interview from his hospital bed, said that "The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag."

Read that last part again, very slowly, and let it sink in. "The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train." "They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag."

And the British authorities on the crime scene missed that, and just assumed that it was a carry-on bomb? C'mon, how many times have you seen that bad TV show where the eccentric detective figures out that the crime was an "inside job" because the glass was outside the broken window, not inside where it should have been. I repeat: Crime Scene Investigation 101. Basic physics.

While describing the scene, Lait said about he and his dance partner Crystal Main, "Out of that whole carriage, I think Crystal and I were the only ones who were not seriously injured, and I think we were nearest the bomb."

He went on to describe those sitting closest to him and Main when the bomb went off. "I remember an Asian guy, there was a white guy with tracksuit trousers and a baseball cap, and there were two old ladies sitting opposite me." He described the woman whose body was lying on top of him when he regained consciousness as a "middle-aged woman who had blonde curly hair, was dressed in black, and could have been a businesswoman."

Again, play close attention here. "We were nearest the bomb." An Asian guy, a white guy, two old ladies, and a blond businesswoman......and two dancers.

So.....if the bomb was in a bag carried on by the terrorist, how could two dancers be "nearest the bomb"? And why didn't the person who was the closest eyewitness see the bomber, or even ANYONE, sitting where the bomb went off? Why was the metal pushed upwards if the bomb was inside of the train carriage?

Let's put this in perspective, piece by piece:

"The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train."

"I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag."

"We were nearest the bomb."

An Asian guy, a white guy, two old ladies, and a blond businesswoman......and two dancers.

Here we go again. Another terrorist event with more questions than answers, questions that the major media (yet again) aren't even asking.

Hell, I'll even take a stab at answering them:

The metal was pushed upwards because THE BOMB WAS UNDERNEATH THE TRAIN.

Lait didn't remember seeing anyone, or a bag that could be holding a bomb, near the point of detonation because there was no bomber sitting there, there was no bag. THE BOMB WAS UNDERNEATH THE TRAIN.

An Asian guy, a white guy, two old ladies, and a blond businesswoman......and two dancers. There was no Islamic radical, no Mideastern terrorist sitting in that carriage. THE BOMB WAS UNDERNEATH THE TRAIN.

Dance partners Bruce Lait and Crystal Main were nearest the bomb.....again, no Islamic radical, no Mideastern terrorist sitting in that carriage. THE BOMB WAS UNDERNEATH THE TRAIN.

We were praised by some, and criticized by others, for posting an article by Jeff Buckley (entitled "London Calling") the day after the first London bombings two weeks ago that questioned the motives behind the bombings, and that asked readers to view the inevitable "official government response" with a healthy grain of skepticism.

Here's how Jeff so aptly put it:

"So, when you see the headlines dominated by this story and the mounting evidence of lies, deception, and treason being forever pushed to the back burner, be sure to ask yourself, 'Who benefits from this?' Before you throw your support behind administrations that only have doublespeak, deceit, and death to show for their efforts, be sure to ask yourself, 'Who benefits from this?' And, before you allow yourself to be steamrolled and swept away by the inevitable surge of jingoistic retaliatory euphoria, be sure to ask yourself, 'Who benefits from this?'"

"Who benefits from this?"

So here we are, barely two weeks (and another "symbolic" bombing episode) later, and the voices of the Far Right are busy spinning this as yet another excuse for the war in Iraq.....even though the suspected terrorists are Pakistanis. (Sound familiar? The 9/11 terrorists were mostly from Saudi Arabia, so...."Let's bomb Iraq!")

"Who benefits from this?"

Here we are barely two weeks later, and the disciples of doublespeak are busy blaming a group of suicide bombers with carry-on bags, even though those who died are the most unlikely group of "suicide bombers" ever to commit an act of terrorism.

"Who benefits from this?"

Here we are barely two weeks later, and Bush and Company is using the London bombings to.....successfully.....push through the renewal of the Patriot Act. "Screw the Constitution, they're bombing us!"

The official spinmeisters are either ignoring the signs that something is just not right here, or dismissing those of us who are questioning the official response as the usual bunch of fringe conspiracy theorists.

Well guess what? If we don't keep asking the hard questions, and demanding honest, straightforward answers to those questions, then no one will. They've deceived us a million times before, and if honest Americans....and Englanders....don't continue to hold our public officials accountable for their actions and demand the truth, then they will continue to spoon feed us lie after lie after lie....until we eventually all suffocate under the weight of mass deception. And THAT'S the Faulking Truth.

[Salmon L.A.]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door willem1940NLD

Heel erg.
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Apart: blijft de vraag, waarom de man op de loop ging, terwijl hij kennelijk toch al was aangesproken.

Door vervaarlijk uitziende mannen in burger.
Ik zou ook niet rustig blijven staan. (Gelukkig was ik die dag niet in Londen.)

[filosoof]

Dit vond ik wél:

en daar wordt dus wel degelijk bovenstaand artikeltje bevestigd: bom onder de trein....geen melding van aziaten

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news...79a86926f9.lpf
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"I was in tube bomb carriage - and survived"



CAMBRIDGE dancer Bruce Lait has spoken of his miraculous escape when a bomb exploded just yards away from him in a Tube train carriage.

The 32-year-old was knocked out by the blast and awoke to a terrible scene of devastation in the underground tunnel near London's Aldgate East station. So lucky: Bruce recovers in hospital

Mr Lait, who teaches dance in Cambridge, believes he and his dance partner Crystal Main were the only passengers in the carriage who survived the blast without serious injury - even though they were sitting nearest to where the bomb detonated.

When he came to, there was a body lying on top of him and he was surrounded by the dead and injured. But incredibly, the only wounds the dance coach sustained were facial lacerations and a perforated eardrum.

"I feel extremely, extremely lucky," he said.

The explosion happened just after Mr Lait and Ms Main, 23, got on the train at Liverpool Street on their way to the South Bank for a rehearsal.

He recalled that the carriage had about 20-25 people in it, from all walks of life, and aged from their teens to over 60.

"I remember an Asian guy, there was a white guy with tracksuit trousers and a baseball cap, and there were two old ladies sitting opposite me," he said.

"We'd been on there for a minute at most and then something happened. It was like a huge electricity surge which knocked us out and burst our eardrums. I can still hear that sound now," he said.

The impact of the blast made him pass out. As he came to, he wondered whether he was alive or dead.

"We were right in the carriage where the bomb was. I was knocked out. I did not know what was going on.

"I wondered if I was dead or not. I said to myself, you can't be dead because your brain is having conscious thoughts, so concentrate hard. I was telling myself 'wake up Bruce, wake up'." Royal visit: At Royal London Hospital

Disorientated, he only gradually realised where he was and what had happened.

"When I woke up and looked around I saw darkness, smoke and wreckage. It took a while to realise where I was and what was going on, then my first concern was for Crystal.

"She was okay but she was in shock because she was trying to deal with the person on top of her who had massive head injuries. We have just found out that this person died," said Mr Lait, who lives in Suffolk.

He too was afraid to move because there was a seriously injured woman lying on top of him.

"I realised someone was lying on top of me. I tried not to move her because I didn't know if she was still alive, or I could have made it worse. This person also died, while on top of me."

At the same time, he slowly tried to work out whether he or Crystal had been injured.

"I thought if I can wiggle my toes I'm okay, and I could, and I asked Crystal to do the same."

Describing the scene as they waited for help, he said: "It was just the most awful scene of death and there were body parts everywhere. There was something next to me. I was trying not to look. I couldn't figure out what it was."

When paramedics arrived, they confirmed that the woman on top of him was dead and carefully moved her body. Mr Lait said the middle-aged woman had blonde curly hair, was dressed in black, and could have been a businesswoman.

He and Crystal were helped out of the carriage. As they made their way out, a policeman pointed out where the bomb had been. It was like a huge electricity surge which knocked us out and burst our eardrums.

Tube survivor Bruce Lait



"The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.

They were led through the tunnel to the platform at Aldgate, which was just a few hundred yards away, and taken out of the station to wait for an ambulance.

Mr Lait was taken to the Royal London Hospital, Whitechapel, where he was visited by the Queen on Friday.

He said: "They asked would I mind if my name were put forward and I said I'd love to meet the Queen, even if the circumstances weren't ideal."

Sitting with his parents, Pat and Tom, Mr Lait told the Queen as she stood at his bedside: "I'm very thankful to still be here."

He said of Her Majesty: "She just seemed very nice and concerned, she seemed very genuine."

Now back at home, he has been trying to recover from the ordeal, with the help of friends and family.

Mr Lait, who teaches the Latin formation team XS, based in Cambridge, and the Cambridge Dancers' Club, said he has been moved by people's care and consideration. On the floor: Bruce & dance partner Crystal, who was also on the train

"I've had people who know me phone me from all over the world and ask if I am alright. Those pictures of me and the Queen have gone all over the world."

And he said the terrible experience has given him a new outlook on life.

"It has made me realise how important life is, and that we only get one life, and we've got to be happy with what we've got in our lives."

Reflecting on the ordeal, he said: "Out of that whole carriage, I think Crystal and I were the only ones who were not seriously injured, and I think we were nearest the bomb.

"It makes me thank Him up there. I'm not overly religious but I'm not a disbeliever. I pray now and again. Something like this has just made me think, 'thank you Lord'."[edit]
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Dit vond ik wél:

en daar wordt dus wel degelijk bovenstaand artikeltje bevestigd: bom onder de trein....geen melding van aziaten

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news...79a86926f9.lpf
Home > News Home > Region-wide > "I was in tube bomb carriage - and survived"Print page

"I was in tube bomb carriage - and survived"



CAMBRIDGE dancer Bruce Lait has spoken of his miraculous escape when a bomb exploded just yards away from him in a Tube train carriage.

The 32-year-old was knocked out by the blast and awoke to a terrible scene of devastation in the underground tunnel near London's Aldgate East station. So lucky: Bruce recovers in hospital

Mr Lait, who teaches dance in Cambridge, believes he and his dance partner Crystal Main were the only passengers in the carriage who survived the blast without serious injury - even though they were sitting nearest to where the bomb detonated.

When he came to, there was a body lying on top of him and he was surrounded by the dead and injured. But incredibly, the only wounds the dance coach sustained were facial lacerations and a perforated eardrum.

"I feel extremely, extremely lucky," he said.

The explosion happened just after Mr Lait and Ms Main, 23, got on the train at Liverpool Street on their way to the South Bank for a rehearsal.

He recalled that the carriage had about 20-25 people in it, from all walks of life, and aged from their teens to over 60.

"I remember an Asian guy, there was a white guy with tracksuit trousers and a baseball cap, and there were two old ladies sitting opposite me," he said.

"We'd been on there for a minute at most and then something happened. It was like a huge electricity surge which knocked us out and burst our eardrums. I can still hear that sound now," he said.

The impact of the blast made him pass out. As he came to, he wondered whether he was alive or dead.

"We were right in the carriage where the bomb was. I was knocked out. I did not know what was going on.

"I wondered if I was dead or not. I said to myself, you can't be dead because your brain is having conscious thoughts, so concentrate hard. I was telling myself 'wake up Bruce, wake up'." Royal visit: At Royal London Hospital

Disorientated, he only gradually realised where he was and what had happened.

"When I woke up and looked around I saw darkness, smoke and wreckage. It took a while to realise where I was and what was going on, then my first concern was for Crystal.

"She was okay but she was in shock because she was trying to deal with the person on top of her who had massive head injuries. We have just found out that this person died," said Mr Lait, who lives in Suffolk.

He too was afraid to move because there was a seriously injured woman lying on top of him.

"I realised someone was lying on top of me. I tried not to move her because I didn't know if she was still alive, or I could have made it worse. This person also died, while on top of me."

At the same time, he slowly tried to work out whether he or Crystal had been injured.

"I thought if I can wiggle my toes I'm okay, and I could, and I asked Crystal to do the same."

Describing the scene as they waited for help, he said: "It was just the most awful scene of death and there were body parts everywhere. There was something next to me. I was trying not to look. I couldn't figure out what it was."

When paramedics arrived, they confirmed that the woman on top of him was dead and carefully moved her body. Mr Lait said the middle-aged woman had blonde curly hair, was dressed in black, and could have been a businesswoman.

He and Crystal were helped out of the carriage. As they made their way out, a policeman pointed out where the bomb had been. It was like a huge electricity surge which knocked us out and burst our eardrums.

Tube survivor Bruce Lait



"The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.

They were led through the tunnel to the platform at Aldgate, which was just a few hundred yards away, and taken out of the station to wait for an ambulance.

Mr Lait was taken to the Royal London Hospital, Whitechapel, where he was visited by the Queen on Friday.

He said: "They asked would I mind if my name were put forward and I said I'd love to meet the Queen, even if the circumstances weren't ideal."

Sitting with his parents, Pat and Tom, Mr Lait told the Queen as she stood at his bedside: "I'm very thankful to still be here."

He said of Her Majesty: "She just seemed very nice and concerned, she seemed very genuine."

Now back at home, he has been trying to recover from the ordeal, with the help of friends and family.

Mr Lait, who teaches the Latin formation team XS, based in Cambridge, and the Cambridge Dancers' Club, said he has been moved by people's care and consideration. On the floor: Bruce & dance partner Crystal, who was also on the train

"I've had people who know me phone me from all over the world and ask if I am alright. Those pictures of me and the Queen have gone all over the world."

And he said the terrible experience has given him a new outlook on life.

"It has made me realise how important life is, and that we only get one life, and we've got to be happy with what we've got in our lives."

Reflecting on the ordeal, he said: "Out of that whole carriage, I think Crystal and I were the only ones who were not seriously injured, and I think we were nearest the bomb.

"It makes me thank Him up there. I'm not overly religious but I'm not a disbeliever. I pray now and again. Something like this has just made me think, 'thank you Lord'."[/size]

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Dit vond ik wél:



http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news...79a86926f9.lpf
Home > News Home > Region-wide > "I was in tube bomb carriage - and survived"Print page

"I was in tube bomb carriage - and survived"



CAMBRIDGE dancer Bruce Lait has spoken of his miraculous escape when a bomb exploded just yards away from him in a Tube train carriage.

The 32-year-old was knocked out by the blast and awoke to a terrible scene of devastation in the underground tunnel near London's Aldgate East station. So lucky: Bruce recovers in hospital

Mr Lait, who teaches dance in Cambridge, believes he and his dance partner Crystal Main were the only passengers in the carriage who survived the blast without serious injury - even though they were sitting nearest to where the bomb detonated.

When he came to, there was a body lying on top of him and he was surrounded by the dead and injured. But incredibly, the only wounds the dance coach sustained were facial lacerations and a perforated eardrum.

"I feel extremely, extremely lucky," he said.

The explosion happened just after Mr Lait and Ms Main, 23, got on the train at Liverpool Street on their way to the South Bank for a rehearsal.

He recalled that the carriage had about 20-25 people in it, from all walks of life, and aged from their teens to over 60.

"I remember an Asian guy, there was a white guy with tracksuit trousers and a baseball cap, and there were two old ladies sitting opposite me," he said.

"We'd been on there for a minute at most and then something happened. It was like a huge electricity surge which knocked us out and burst our eardrums. I can still hear that sound now," he said.

The impact of the blast made him pass out. As he came to, he wondered whether he was alive or dead.

"We were right in the carriage where the bomb was. I was knocked out. I did not know what was going on.

"I wondered if I was dead or not. I said to myself, you can't be dead because your brain is having conscious thoughts, so concentrate hard. I was telling myself 'wake up Bruce, wake up'." Royal visit: At Royal London Hospital

Disorientated, he only gradually realised where he was and what had happened.

"When I woke up and looked around I saw darkness, smoke and wreckage. It took a while to realise where I was and what was going on, then my first concern was for Crystal.

"She was okay but she was in shock because she was trying to deal with the person on top of her who had massive head injuries. We have just found out that this person died," said Mr Lait, who lives in Suffolk.

He too was afraid to move because there was a seriously injured woman lying on top of him.

"I realised someone was lying on top of me. I tried not to move her because I didn't know if she was still alive, or I could have made it worse. This person also died, while on top of me."

At the same time, he slowly tried to work out whether he or Crystal had been injured.

"I thought if I can wiggle my toes I'm okay, and I could, and I asked Crystal to do the same."

Describing the scene as they waited for help, he said: "It was just the most awful scene of death and there were body parts everywhere. There was something next to me. I was trying not to look. I couldn't figure out what it was."

When paramedics arrived, they confirmed that the woman on top of him was dead and carefully moved her body. Mr Lait said the middle-aged woman had blonde curly hair, was dressed in black, and could have been a businesswoman.

He and Crystal were helped out of the carriage. As they made their way out, a policeman pointed out where the bomb had been. It was like a huge electricity surge which knocked us out and burst our eardrums.

Tube survivor Bruce Lait



"The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.

They were led through the tunnel to the platform at Aldgate, which was just a few hundred yards away, and taken out of the station to wait for an ambulance.

Mr Lait was taken to the Royal London Hospital, Whitechapel, where he was visited by the Queen on Friday.

He said: "They asked would I mind if my name were put forward and I said I'd love to meet the Queen, even if the circumstances weren't ideal."

Sitting with his parents, Pat and Tom, Mr Lait told the Queen as she stood at his bedside: "I'm very thankful to still be here."

He said of Her Majesty: "She just seemed very nice and concerned, she seemed very genuine."

Now back at home, he has been trying to recover from the ordeal, with the help of friends and family.

Mr Lait, who teaches the Latin formation team XS, based in Cambridge, and the Cambridge Dancers' Club, said he has been moved by people's care and consideration. On the floor: Bruce & dance partner Crystal, who was also on the train

"I've had people who know me phone me from all over the world and ask if I am alright. Those pictures of me and the Queen have gone all over the world."

And he said the terrible experience has given him a new outlook on life.

"It has made me realise how important life is, and that we only get one life, and we've got to be happy with what we've got in our lives."

Reflecting on the ordeal, he said: "Out of that whole carriage, I think Crystal and I were the only ones who were not seriously injured, and I think we were nearest the bomb.

"It makes me thank Him up there. I'm not overly religious but I'm not a disbeliever. I pray now and again. Something like this has just made me think, 'thank you Lord'."[/size]

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Home > News Home > Region-wide > "I was in tube bomb carriage - and survived"Print page

"I was in tube bomb carriage - and survived"



CAMBRIDGE dancer Bruce Lait has spoken of his miraculous escape when a bomb exploded just yards away from him in a Tube train carriage.

The 32-year-old was knocked out by the blast and awoke to a terrible scene of devastation in the underground tunnel near London's Aldgate East station. So lucky: Bruce recovers in hospital

Mr Lait, who teaches dance in Cambridge, believes he and his dance partner Crystal Main were the only passengers in the carriage who survived the blast without serious injury - even though they were sitting nearest to where the bomb detonated.

When he came to, there was a body lying on top of him and he was surrounded by the dead and injured. But incredibly, the only wounds the dance coach sustained were facial lacerations and a perforated eardrum.

"I feel extremely, extremely lucky," he said.

The explosion happened just after Mr Lait and Ms Main, 23, got on the train at Liverpool Street on their way to the South Bank for a rehearsal.

He recalled that the carriage had about 20-25 people in it, from all walks of life, and aged from their teens to over 60.

"I remember an Asian guy, there was a white guy with tracksuit trousers and a baseball cap, and there were two old ladies sitting opposite me," he said.

"We'd been on there for a minute at most and then something happened. It was like a huge electricity surge which knocked us out and burst our eardrums. I can still hear that sound now," he said.

The impact of the blast made him pass out. As he came to, he wondered whether he was alive or dead.

"We were right in the carriage where the bomb was. I was knocked out. I did not know what was going on.

"I wondered if I was dead or not. I said to myself, you can't be dead because your brain is having conscious thoughts, so concentrate hard. I was telling myself 'wake up Bruce, wake up'." Royal visit: At Royal London Hospital

Disorientated, he only gradually realised where he was and what had happened.

"When I woke up and looked around I saw darkness, smoke and wreckage. It took a while to realise where I was and what was going on, then my first concern was for Crystal.

"She was okay but she was in shock because she was trying to deal with the person on top of her who had massive head injuries. We have just found out that this person died," said Mr Lait, who lives in Suffolk.

He too was afraid to move because there was a seriously injured woman lying on top of him.

"I realised someone was lying on top of me. I tried not to move her because I didn't know if she was still alive, or I could have made it worse. This person also died, while on top of me."

At the same time, he slowly tried to work out whether he or Crystal had been injured.

"I thought if I can wiggle my toes I'm okay, and I could, and I asked Crystal to do the same."

Describing the scene as they waited for help, he said: "It was just the most awful scene of death and there were body parts everywhere. There was something next to me. I was trying not to look. I couldn't figure out what it was."

When paramedics arrived, they confirmed that the woman on top of him was dead and carefully moved her body. Mr Lait said the middle-aged woman had blonde curly hair, was dressed in black, and could have been a businesswoman.

He and Crystal were helped out of the carriage. As they made their way out, a policeman pointed out where the bomb had been. It was like a huge electricity surge which knocked us out and burst our eardrums.

Tube survivor Bruce Lait



"The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.

They were led through the tunnel to the platform at Aldgate, which was just a few hundred yards away, and taken out of the station to wait for an ambulance.

Mr Lait was taken to the Royal London Hospital, Whitechapel, where he was visited by the Queen on Friday.

He said: "They asked would I mind if my name were put forward and I said I'd love to meet the Queen, even if the circumstances weren't ideal."

Sitting with his parents, Pat and Tom, Mr Lait told the Queen as she stood at his bedside: "I'm very thankful to still be here."

He said of Her Majesty: "She just seemed very nice and concerned, she seemed very genuine."

Now back at home, he has been trying to recover from the ordeal, with the help of friends and family.

Mr Lait, who teaches the Latin formation team XS, based in Cambridge, and the Cambridge Dancers' Club, said he has been moved by people's care and consideration. On the floor: Bruce & dance partner Crystal, who was also on the train

"I've had people who know me phone me from all over the world and ask if I am alright. Those pictures of me and the Queen have gone all over the world."

And he said the terrible experience has given him a new outlook on life.

"It has made me realise how important life is, and that we only get one life, and we've got to be happy with what we've got in our lives."

Reflecting on the ordeal, he said: "Out of that whole carriage, I think Crystal and I were the only ones who were not seriously injured, and I think we were nearest the bomb.

"It makes me thank Him up there. I'm not overly religious but I'm not a disbeliever. I pray now and again. Something like this has just made me think, 'thank you Lord'."[/size]

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[Salmon L.A.]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Seba

en om politiemannen die met wapens dreigen te herkennen moet je uiteraard de taal van dat land spreken?

Het waren politieagenten in burger (blauwe slobbertruien; zonnebrillen; skinheads... ik heb ze op tv gezien)

[willem1940NLD]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Salmon L.A.

Door vervaarlijk uitziende mannen in burger.
Ik zou ook niet rustig blijven staan. (Gelukkig was ik die dag niet in Londen.)

Ja, misschien is de man helemaal niet aangesproken geworden.

[Salmon L.A.]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Egidius

Een Braziliaan in Londen die niet genoeg Engels kent om een aantal dreigende politiemannen te begrijpen, lichaamstaal inbegrepen? Lang geleden dat ik hier zoiets ongeloofwaardigs gelezen heb... Waarschijnlijker is dat hij een reden, van welke aard dan ook, had om te willen gecontroleerd te worden.
Het wijst er in elk geval op hoe hard de zenuwen gespannen staan na twee aanslagenreeksen.

Egidius

Het was misschien een anti-Belgische manifestant van de N-VA die zich van stad had vergist.
Om dit te begrijpen, zie: http://forum.politics.be/showthread.php?t=37284

[willem1940NLD]

Eh, ik denk niet dat dit onderwerp zich leent om er pogingen tot humor op los te laten.

[Salmon L.A.]

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en dan WAS het nu eens iemand die zich geïntegreerd had...

Ha neen, want een geïntegreerde heeft in de zomer toch geen dikke frak aan?
En een geïntegreerde gaat toch niet beginnen lopen als het zo warm is?

[Salmon L.A.]

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Eh, ik denk niet dat dit onderwerp zich leent om er pogingen tot humor op los te laten.

Very sorry.

[filosoof]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Salmon L.A.

Het waren politieagenten in burger (blauwe slobbertruien; zonnebrillen; skinheads... ik heb ze op tv gezien)

Tweemaal las ik de informatie dat het team hiervoor verantwoordeliijk behoort tot SO19:
http://www.met.police.uk/so19/arv.htm
Enfin, ze gaan voort:
Iemand in het hoofd schieten op dasis van een [size=3]vermoeden van een flik...[/size] Ik zou daar méér schrik hebben van de flikken dan van een terrorist... (Mijn zoon is er al een week) gelukkig is hij blond...
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De Britse politie heeft de opdracht gekregen vermoedelijke kamikazes met een kogel in het hoofd te doden, zo heeft de baas van Scotland Yard, Ian Blair, zondag op de nieuwszender Sky News gezegd.
Hij zei ook dat "de Metropolitan Police de volle verantwoordelijkheid op zich neemt" voor de miskleun die de politie vrijdag beging door een onschuldige man dood te schieten.
Op de vraag of de politie opdracht had gekregen te schieten om te doden als ze denken dat ze met een kamikaze te maken hebben, antwoordde Ian Blair: "Het moet zo. Het heeft geen zin iemand in de borst te schieten, want daar bevindt de bom zich waarschijnlijk. Het heeft geen zin elders in het lichaam te schieten, want als ze vallen, zal de bom afgaan. Dat heeft ervaring in andere landen, zoals Sri Lanka, geleerd. De enige mogelijke reactie is in het hoofd te schieten."
De politie schoot vrijdag per vergissing een Braziliaanse elektricien dood die zich verdacht gedroeg. De 27-jarige man kwam uit een gebouw dat door de politie in het oog gehouden werd in verband met de mislukte bomaanslagen van 21 juli in Londen. Agenten in burger schoten Jean Charles de Menezes in het Londense metrostation Stockwell dood, voor de ogen van talrijke pendelaars.
De agenten hielden hem verkeerdelijk voor een terrorist.
De interne diensten en een onafhankelijke commissie hebben een onderzoek naar het incident geopend. "Aan de familie kan ik enkel mijn oprechte spijt betuigen", aldus nog Ian Blair.
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Tweemaal las ik de informatie dat het team hiervoor verantwoordeliijk behoort tot SO19:
http://www.met.police.uk/so19/arv.htm
Enfin, ze gaan voort:
Iemand in het hoofd schieten op dasis van een [size=3]vermoeden van een flik...[/size] Ik zou daar méér schrik hebben van de flikken dan van een terrorist... (Mijn zoon is er al een week) gelukkig is hij blond...
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24/07 Britse politie moet vermoedelijke kamikazes doden

De Britse politie heeft de opdracht gekregen vermoedelijke kamikazes met een kogel in het hoofd te doden, zo heeft de baas van Scotland Yard, Ian Blair, zondag op de nieuwszender Sky News gezegd.
Hij zei ook dat "de Metropolitan Police de volle verantwoordelijkheid op zich neemt" voor de miskleun die de politie vrijdag beging door een onschuldige man dood te schieten.
Op de vraag of de politie opdracht had gekregen te schieten om te doden als ze denken dat ze met een kamikaze te maken hebben, antwoordde Ian Blair: "Het moet zo. Het heeft geen zin iemand in de borst te schieten, want daar bevindt de bom zich waarschijnlijk. Het heeft geen zin elders in het lichaam te schieten, want als ze vallen, zal de bom afgaan. Dat heeft ervaring in andere landen, zoals Sri Lanka, geleerd. De enige mogelijke reactie is in het hoofd te schieten."
De politie schoot vrijdag per vergissing een Braziliaanse elektricien dood die zich verdacht gedroeg. De 27-jarige man kwam uit een gebouw dat door de politie in het oog gehouden werd in verband met de mislukte bomaanslagen van 21 juli in Londen. Agenten in burger schoten Jean Charles de Menezes in het Londense metrostation Stockwell dood, voor de ogen van talrijke pendelaars.
De agenten hielden hem verkeerdelijk voor een terrorist.
De interne diensten en een onafhankelijke commissie hebben een onderzoek naar het incident geopend. "Aan de familie kan ik enkel mijn oprechte spijt betuigen", aldus nog Ian Blair.
© 1994-2004 Concentra |Media|[/size]

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[size=1]After edit by filosoof on 25-07-2005 at 13:04
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Tweemaal las ik de informatie dat het team hiervoor verantwoordeliijk behoort tot SO19:
http://www.met.police.uk/so19/arv.htm
Enfin, ze gaan voort:
Iemand in het hoofd schieten op dasis van een [size=3]vermoeden van een flik...[/size] Ik zou daar méér schrik hebben van de flikken dan van een terrorist... (Mijn zoon is er al een week)
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24/07 Britse politie moet vermoedelijke kamikazes doden

De Britse politie heeft de opdracht gekregen vermoedelijke kamikazes met een kogel in het hoofd te doden, zo heeft de baas van Scotland Yard, Ian Blair, zondag op de nieuwszender Sky News gezegd.
Hij zei ook dat "de Metropolitan Police de volle verantwoordelijkheid op zich neemt" voor de miskleun die de politie vrijdag beging door een onschuldige man dood te schieten.
Op de vraag of de politie opdracht had gekregen te schieten om te doden als ze denken dat ze met een kamikaze te maken hebben, antwoordde Ian Blair: "Het moet zo. Het heeft geen zin iemand in de borst te schieten, want daar bevindt de bom zich waarschijnlijk. Het heeft geen zin elders in het lichaam te schieten, want als ze vallen, zal de bom afgaan. Dat heeft ervaring in andere landen, zoals Sri Lanka, geleerd. De enige mogelijke reactie is in het hoofd te schieten."
De politie schoot vrijdag per vergissing een Braziliaanse elektricien dood die zich verdacht gedroeg. De 27-jarige man kwam uit een gebouw dat door de politie in het oog gehouden werd in verband met de mislukte bomaanslagen van 21 juli in Londen. Agenten in burger schoten Jean Charles de Menezes in het Londense metrostation Stockwell dood, voor de ogen van talrijke pendelaars.
De agenten hielden hem verkeerdelijk voor een terrorist.
De interne diensten en een onafhankelijke commissie hebben een onderzoek naar het incident geopend. "Aan de familie kan ik enkel mijn oprechte spijt betuigen", aldus nog Ian Blair.
© 1994-2004 Concentra |Media|[/size]

[size=1]Before any edits, post was:
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Tweemaal las ik de informatie dat het team hiervoor verantwoordeliijk behoort tot SO19:
http://www.met.police.uk/so19/arv.htm
Enfin, ze gaan voort:
Iemand in het hoofd schieten op dasis van een [size=3]vermoeden van een flik...[/size] Ik zou daar méér schrik hebben van de flikken dan van een terrorist... (Mijn zoon is er al een week) :-s

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24/07 Britse politie moet vermoedelijke kamikazes doden

De Britse politie heeft de opdracht gekregen vermoedelijke kamikazes met een kogel in het hoofd te doden, zo heeft de baas van Scotland Yard, Ian Blair, zondag op de nieuwszender Sky News gezegd.
Hij zei ook dat "de Metropolitan Police de volle verantwoordelijkheid op zich neemt" voor de miskleun die de politie vrijdag beging door een onschuldige man dood te schieten.
Op de vraag of de politie opdracht had gekregen te schieten om te doden als ze denken dat ze met een kamikaze te maken hebben, antwoordde Ian Blair: "Het moet zo. Het heeft geen zin iemand in de borst te schieten, want daar bevindt de bom zich waarschijnlijk. Het heeft geen zin elders in het lichaam te schieten, want als ze vallen, zal de bom afgaan. Dat heeft ervaring in andere landen, zoals Sri Lanka, geleerd. De enige mogelijke reactie is in het hoofd te schieten."
De politie schoot vrijdag per vergissing een Braziliaanse elektricien dood die zich verdacht gedroeg. De 27-jarige man kwam uit een gebouw dat door de politie in het oog gehouden werd in verband met de mislukte bomaanslagen van 21 juli in Londen. Agenten in burger schoten Jean Charles de Menezes in het Londense metrostation Stockwell dood, voor de ogen van talrijke pendelaars.
De agenten hielden hem verkeerdelijk voor een terrorist.
De interne diensten en een onafhankelijke commissie hebben een onderzoek naar het incident geopend. "Aan de familie kan ik enkel mijn oprechte spijt betuigen", aldus nog Ian Blair.
© 1994-2004 Concentra |Media|[/size]

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[filosoof]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Salmon L.A.

Het waren politieagenten in burger (blauwe slobbertruien; zonnebrillen; skinheads... ik heb ze op tv gezien)

Stockwell is ook niet direct de veiligste buurt van London ..:Wie zou niet gaan lopen als hij door een gang wordt aangeroepen, en een underground in zicht heeft? Ik wél![edit]
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Stockwell is niet direct de veiligste buurt van London ook niet..:Wie zou niet gaan lopen als hij door een gang wordt aangeroepen, en een underground in zicht heeft? Ik wél![/size]

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[filosoof]

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Nee hoor, verscheidene moslims die ik tegenkom zijn blank en hebben blauwe ogen. Nog geen meerderheid maar wel toenemende "voorraad".
Andersom ook: veel donker tot zeer donker gekleurde mensen zijn per se geen moslim.

Philip D. zou héél goed voor een Marokkaan kunnen genomen worden, en wie lijkt er méér op een Turk dan Gerolf A. ?? Als de politie alle verdacht uitziende personen gaat afknallen met vijf kogels in het hoofd, dan zijn d�*t al twee candidaten...(waarschijnlijk zijn er nog flikken die die twee niet persoonlijk kennen) Afwachten dus maar.[edit]
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Philip D. zou héél goed voor een Marokkaan kunnen genomen worden, en wie lijkt er méér op een Turk dan Gerolf A. ?? Als de politie alle verdacht uitziende personen gaat afknallen met vijf kogels in het hoofd, dan zijn d�*t al twee candidaten...(waarschijnlijk zijn er nog flikken die die twee niet persoonlijk kennen) Afwachten dus maar.[/size]

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Philip D. zou héél goed voor een Marokkaan kunnen genomen worden, en wie lijkt er méér op een Turk dan Gerolf A. ?? Als de politie alle verdacht uitziende personen gaat afknallen met vijf kogels in het hoofd, dan zijn d�*t al twee candidaten...
Afwachten dus maar.[/size]

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[willem1940NLD]

Toe nou, Filosoof: dat doodmaken moet STOPPEN, overal.

[Distel]

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Wilde mij "afknallen"??JIJ!

Leugenaar.

[Distel]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door willem1940NLD

Is er in het nieuws geweest dat de politie zich als zodanig had kenbaar gemaakt?
Ook: is het opportuun cq onderdeel van instructies dat politie in burger zich voorstelt aan verdachten van terrorisme?

De vraagtekens zijn bij mij nog niet weg.

Zonet hoorde ik op BBC World dat het slachtoffer een verlopen visum had. Mogelijk ging hij lopen om niet uit het land gezet te worden. Dat zou natuurlijk wel betekenen dat hij heel goed wist dat de "achtervolgers" agenten waren.

Wel stom natuurlijk, tijdens een "license to kill"-situatie net na een terroristische aanslag gaan lopen van de politie...

[Distel]

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Shoot to kill, (een lader in het hoofd) op iemand die geïmmobilizeerd is.

Was hij geïmmobiliseerd? Kon hij met 100% zekerheid geen bom op zijn lichaam meer laten exploderen?

Ben jij zeker dat je er niet verdacht uitziet? In mijn ogen wél... (je bedreigde mij al met "afknallen")

Dat deed ik niet.

[Distel]

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Voor een aantal mensen is dat een misdaad die gerust opgelost kan worden met 5 kogels in het hoofd...

Voor wie dan? Ik heb nog niemand daarvoor horen pleiten.