De grote 9/11 topic

[Pindar]

FIVE YEARS ON - THE TRUTH IS COMING OUT AT LAST

Canadian TV Covers 9/11 Conspiracy

http://www.911blogger.com/node/2719



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[Firestone]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door StevenNr1

@Firestone: Ik heb het hele topic niet gevolgd dus kunt u misschien wat meer info geven over de vermeende schade onderaan WTC7 ?

Begin bijvoorbeeld hier.

Dat is officiële informatie.
Bekijk vooral de foto's.

Ook hier staan foto's (dat is een debunking site, voorzichtigheid aanbevolen, zoals met conspiracy-sites).

[Pindar]

Last week TIME Magazine and The Washington Post ran almost balanced and sympathetic stories about "the 9-11 Truth Movement."

These publications define reality for millions of unsuspecting Americans. Why would they legitimize a conspiracy view that implicates their owners, the Illuminati central bankers? Why would they publicize discrepancies that they have been covering up for five years?

Imagine you're in a meeting with the central bankers who control the American mass media and government. You're the successor of PR whiz Edward Bernays.

"Edward," they say, "the matrix is starting to unravel. A third of Americans believe their government was responsible for 9-11. Damn the Internet! What are we going to do?"

If I were Bernays, I would reply: "Depends if you're planning another false flag terrorist event, martial law and an attack on Iran. If so, I would continue to ignore and marginalize this movement. You don’t want to give them a huge boost in credibility at this time."

"Eddie," they reply, "it's too late for all that nasty stuff. Nobody that matters believes in the terror threat any more. Israel got a bloody nose in Lebanon and can't attack Iran. The military has its hands full in Iraq. The generals are in revolt. Plus the Internet is full of stories blaming the Mossad and Israel. Anti Semitism is on the rise. "

"Don't panic boys," I tell them. "I have the answer. What we need is a "Time-Out" to restore everybody's faith in the system. We need a return to the Democratic Party, a return to the sanity of the Carter or Clinton eras, a break from those mean ugly corrupt Republicans."

"How do we do that?" the bankers ask.

"Think Daniel Ellsberg and The Pentagon Papers. Think Michael Moore and "Farhenheit 911" We need to shift responsibility for 9-11 onto Dubya's shoulders and away from Silverstein and the Mossad, the neo-cons and us. We need to reposition the 9-11 Truth-ers in the mold of the 1960's anti-war movement and focus everyone on hating the 'government.' Then we'll elect Democrats in November and [New Mexico Governor]Bill Richardson, or someone like him, in 2008. It will be a time of renewal, a kinder gentler fascism. We'll have time to plan the next step."

"Where do we begin?"

"Why not do a TIME cover story on those kids that made the Internet movie "Loose Change"? They don’t mention the dancing laughing Mossad agents with explosives in their van who were arrested 'documenting the event' , do they? Portray the kids as participating in the "great American tradition of self reliance and non conformist anti authoritarian dissent. They're fighting the power." [exact words TIME uses] Maybe we could bring Bob Dylan in on this."

"Eddie, this is dangerous. That film shows that Larry [Silverstein] ordered the demolition of WTC 7 the same day. Are Americans so stupid as to believe that this 47-storey building was wired for demolition, and WTC–1 and WTC-2 weren't? Surely they'll figure out that all three were demolished and a plane was supposed to hit WTC-7. We'll all be hung for mass murder."

"Guys. Don’t worry. The people believe what they're told not what their own eyes or common sense tells them. We won’t mention WTC-7 in the article. We'll just focus on a couple of points and have our paid flunkies, I mean 'experts' refute them. It'll be our experts and against theirs and the people will be confused. They'll blame Dubya and think the media is objective and doing its job."

"Is one story enough?"

"Put another one in The Washington Post focused on David Ray Griffin. We'll call it something like "The Disbelievers." Mention the Mossad a couple of times in passing but not the German Intelligence (BND) Report that says the Mossad organized the whole event (with Bush's foreknowledge.) The important thing is to emphasize that the 'government' did this. It was an "inside job." Dubya will take the fall in the public's mind."


CONCLUSION

At the risk of sounding optimistic, the mainstream coverage of the 9-11 Truth movement may indicate that we will not have an Iran attack and another false-flag terrorist event soon. I think the bankers are scared they are losing control of the American mind. Dubya has been very useful to them but it's time for him to go.

The only danger is that he and Cheney will do something desperate to hold on to power beyond their second term. But, without the cooperation of the media, they can't succeed. I think they know it and will take their money and exit gracefully.

For once, I am making a prediction that I hope will be correct!

http://www.savethemales.ca/001728.html

And so on and so forth


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[StevenNr1]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Firestone

Begin bijvoorbeeld hier.

Dat is officiële informatie.
Bekijk vooral de foto's.

Ook hier staan foto's (dat is een debunking site, voorzichtigheid aanbevolen, zoals met conspiracy-sites).

Thx.

[eti1777]

Hallo,

Donald Rumsfeld slippertje?

"shot down the plane in Pennsylvania..."

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/143607...11_confession/

Hij heeft het wel over acties van de terroristen.

Waar is de fout?

[blabylonia]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Firestone

Begin bijvoorbeeld hier

Dat is officiële informatie.

[exodus]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door eti1777

Hallo,

Donald Rumsfeld slippertje?

"shot down the plane in Pennsylvania..."

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/143607...11_confession/

Hij heeft het wel over acties van de terroristen.

Waar is de fout?

Waarschijnlijk even wat hij echt weet dat komt bovendrijven...

[nubian]

http://www.onderzoek911.nl/media/vid...over_911.shtml

[exodus]

Alex Jones was in New York gisteren op de herdenkingen om zijn dissidente stem tegen het officiele verhaal te laten horen, en hij zegt dat de atmosfeer totaal veranderd is, dat de meerderheid van de politie en brandweermannen nu geloven dat 9/11 een inside job is.

Alex Jones: Most Police, Firefighters Now Believe 9/11 Inside Job


Truth events at ground zero enjoy very encouraging reception

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | September 11 2006

Documentary film maker and radio host Alex Jones, coordinating today's 9/11 truth movement events in downtown New York City, says that the atmosphere around ground zero has dramatically changed, with the majority of firefighters and police officers now sympathetic to the claim that 9/11 was an inside job.

Alex is featured at the end of the Associated Press video above imploring viewers to understand that 9/11 was "a self-inflicted wound designed to create a police state in the U.S. and capture us as an engine for world government and world domination."

Alex was assigned to lead a protest march today which he described as over 1000 strong as it snaked across ground zero and through lower Manhattan.

Saying that the "entire atmosphere had changed," Alex explained how police support for protesters at ground zero had gone from 20% support two years ago to around 60% support now - with many willing to affirm that sentiment on camera and many knowledgeable about Alex Jones' work and the 9/11 truth movement.

"Police just saying 'keep your investigation going, we appreciate you' on video," said Jones.

"The firemen we've been talking to - a hundred per cent are on our side and have seen the documentary films....it is just incredible what's happened at the grass roots."

Jones said that the few debunkers who were spewing Bush administration style propaganda were met with distain from the police.

"I think that thing that triggered it was the fact that the government lied about the dust, the asbestos all of it," said Jones in citing why first responders and police have become increasingly skeptical about anything the government says about 9/11.

Alex later commenced a vocal bullhorning of ground zero and led a chant of "9/11 was an inside job," more on that to come tomorrow.

Click here to listen to Alex Jones' groud zero report.

A benchmark of the wildfire success of the 9/11 truth movement can be measured with a new CNN poll released today that shows the amount of American citizens who "blame the Bush administration for the September 11, 2001, attacks," has risen from a third to over a half over the past four years.

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En hier is de video van Associated Press waarop alex Jones zijn mening zegt.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/Sep...Protesters.htm

[Pindar]

some day man....some day

And so on and so forth

Pin d'Ar

[Firestone]

De recuperatie door propagandisten als Alex Jones is gewoon onvoorstelbaar.

Uit exodus' citaat:

A benchmark of the wildfire success of the 9/11 truth movement can be measured with a new CNN poll released today that shows the amount of American citizens who "blame the Bush administration for the September 11, 2001, attacks," has risen from a third to over a half over the past four years.

Wil dat zeggen dat die mensen de "9/11 truth movement" volgen in de inside-job theorie?
Helemaal niet. Dit is het artikel van CNN:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The percentage of Americans who blame the Bush administration for the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington has risen from almost a third to almost half over the past four years, a CNN poll released Monday found.

Asked whether they blame the Bush administration for the attacks, 45 percent said either a "great deal" or a "moderate amount," up from 32 percent in a June 2002 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

But the Clinton administration did not get off lightly either. The latest poll, conducted by Opinion Research Corporation for CNN, found that 41 percent of respondents blamed his administration a "great deal" or a "moderate amount" for the attacks. (Read the complete poll results -- PDF)

That's only slightly less than the 45 percent who blamed his administration in a poll carried out less than a week after the attacks.

Still, most Americans appear to be fatalistic, with more than half -- 57 percent -- saying they think that terrorists will "always find a way to launch attacks no matter what the U.S. government does."

The poll was carried out August 30 through September 2 by Opinion Research Corp. with 1,004 American adults questioned by telephone. The sampling error for the questions was 3 percentage points.

Bron

De peiling ging over welke administratie (Bush of Clinton) door nalatigheid of verkeerd beleid meer schuld had aan de aanslagen.

Niks te maken met inside-job dus.

[exodus]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Firestone

De recuperatie door propagandisten als Alex Jones is gewoon onvoorstelbaar.

Uit exodus' citaat:

Wil dat zeggen dat die mensen de "9/11 truth movement" volgen in de inside-job theorie?
Helemaal niet. Dit is het artikel van CNN:
De peiling ging over welke administratie (Bush of Clinton) door nalatigheid of verkeerd beleid meer schuld had aan de aanslagen.

Niks te maken met inside-job dus.

De techniek van Firestone: pik één ding uit het artikel en focus je daarop.

Je argument houdt overigens geen steek. Je weet neit hoeveel van de truth movement geloven in inside job, en geloof me, het zijn er veel.

[Firestone]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

De techniek van Firestone: pik één ding uit het artikel en focus je daarop.

De techniek van exodus: blind zijn voor de propagandatrukjes van conspirationisten en op de boodschapper schieten.
(En straks komen waarschijnlijk de andere gebruikelijke zeveraars mee bleiten.)

Het hele artikel (op het laatste alinea na) bestaat uit niet te verifiëren beweringen van Jones.
Aan het einde probeert hij andere bronnen als legitimatie aan te brengen. En weer eens blijkt dat hij d�*�*r gewoon oneerlijk is.

Conclusie: een informatief waardeloos artikel van Jones.

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Je argument houdt overigens geen steek. Je weet neit hoeveel van de truth movement geloven in inside job, en geloof me, het zijn er veel.

Ik weet het niet, maar jij weet het wel!
Het gaat in de CNN-peiling overigens niet over de "Truth movement" (wat een naam voor leugenaars �* la Jones ).

[exodus]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Firestone

Het hele artikel (op het laatste alinea na) bestaat uit niet te verifiëren beweringen van Jones.

Hier gaan we weer. Tuurlijk is het niet te verifieren tenzij je er zelf was. Het artikel vermeld gewoon Jones zijn indrukken.

Ik denk niet dat je staat te roepen "DAT IS GEEN BEWIJS" naar het VRT journaal als Rudy Vranckx zegt dat de sfeer gespannen is een een bepaalde regio. Catch my drift?

[Firestone]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Hier gaan we weer. Tuurlijk is het niet te verifieren tenzij je er zelf was. Het artikel vermeld gewoon Jones zijn indrukken.

Ik denk niet dat je staat te roepen "DAT IS GEEN BEWIJS" naar het VRT journaal als Rudy Vranckx zegt dat de sfeer gespannen is een een bepaalde regio. Catch my drift?

Jouw "drift" is dat je alles slikt wat jouw voorordelen bevestigt, de rest negeert (zie maar jouw reactie op het Zembla programma), en blind bent voor de propagandistische trukjes van typetjes �* la Jones.

Wat ik over Rudi Vranckx denk weet jij niet, dus ook deze opmerking is waardelooos.

[parcifal]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Firestone

Jouw "drift" is dat je alles slikt wat jouw vooroordelen bevestigt, de rest negeert (zie maar jouw reactie op het Zembla programma), en blind bent voor de propagandistische trukjes van typetjes �* la Jones.

Volledig maar dan ook volledig mee akkoord.
Kijk bvb. ook maar naar de reactie van Exodus op het Blanchard-rapport.

Voor Exodus volstaat het blijkbaar dat een theorietje breekt met algemene consensus ivm een bepaald onderwerp om direct door hem tot 'verborgen waarheid' uitgeroepen te worden.
Dat lijkt bijna een chronische afwijking te zijn.

Ik vind het erg jammer dat hij niet wat moeite en tijd stopt in het begrijpen van algemeen erkende zaken, hetzij geschiedenis, hetzij wetenschappen.

[Pindar]

'The Pentagon "Attack" and Other Isis (Sirius) Rituals'

'The next step is the recognition of the occult five-sided shape and implied pentagram the geometry of a pentagon mandates. The pentagram is one of the most widely used occult symbols and is found in Freemasonic lodges as the Blazing Star and also as the symbol of the female wing, the Order of the Eastern Star.

Albert Pike, once Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, makes no bones about the meaning of this star. The Ancient Astronomers saw all the great Symbols of Masonry in the Stars. Sirius glitters in our lodges as the Blazing Star. - Albert Pike 33° (Morals and Dogma, page 486'

http://thebravenewworldorder.blogspo...is-sirius.html

Nuff said

Pin d' Ar

[Pindar]

The new documentary 9/11 Press for Truth premiered on September 10th in Washington, DC. The film played at the nearly packed Landmark E Street Cinema just around the corner from FBI headquarters. While the irony was not intentional, it was clearly appropriate.
In the film’s first five minutes, we hear FBI Director Robert Mueller tell us that the agency simply had no idea that terrorists would ever use planes to attack the United States. Apparently, he also had no idea that one of his top agents sent reports of suspicious Middle Eastern men in commercial flight schools well before 9/11. He had no idea that a 1996 plot was foiled involving the use of planes as weapons against the United States. He also forgot that at the G8 conference of world leaders in Italy just before 9/11, defenses were set up to meet the threat of airplanes used as weapons. This sequencing in the film typifies the skillful presentation of information and themes throughout 9/11 Press for Truth.
This film is a powerful, moving and intelligent exposition of the impact of 911 in the words of survivors and through the carefully collated, analyzed, and connected stories appearing in the press here and overseas. Much of the content is based on author Paul Thompson’s The Complete 9/11 Timeline. The press for truth begins after a brief and respectful sequence showing New Yorkers reacting to the attacks, the collapse of the North Tower, and memorial ceremonies. At that point we meet the Jersey Girls. Patty Casazza, Mindy Kleinberg, Lorie Van Auken, and Kristen Breitweiser all lost their husbands on September 1, 2001. They came together initially for mutual support. Quickly, they formed the core of a larger group of 911 survivors demanding an investigation. Casazza describes the frustration when she realized that there would be no formal investigation. “That’s when I went into angry,” she says.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0609/S00147.htm
And so on and so forth



Pin d' Ar

[exodus]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door parcifal

Voor Exodus volstaat het blijkbaar dat een theorietje breekt met algemene consensus ivm een bepaald onderwerp om direct door hem tot 'verborgen waarheid' uitgeroepen te worden.
Dat lijkt bijna een chronische afwijking te zijn.

Maar nee, ik hang bijvoorbeeld geen negationisme aan, en als je echt tegen de algemene consensus wil gaan, dan is dat het onderwerp.

Er zijn nu eenmaal veel zaken die achter gehouden worden en die we niet leren tijdens onze educatie.