De andere kant - Israel - Gaza

[liberalist_NL]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude

The murder of innocent people is.

If by innocent you mean bomb firing child enslaving people, then I know what you're talking about.

[Cdude]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Israëlisch

What? do you think Israel is gaining from it? do you know how much cost an army? we are only losing from this state of war.

5 BILLION PER YEAR "ontwikkelingshulp" from the US.
Slipped your mind?

Forgotten who had stakes in armscompanies AND decided to invade Irak?
Know your history. When war ends tot generate profits, it ends.

[Breezertrut]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Kaal

Not the whole world. I look at israël and I see a country with many faults, like my own. I then look at Hamas, Iran and Hezbollah and I see violent fanatics that love death and war. They hate not only the Jews, but also the Christians and beyond that, anyone who is not a muslim. If israël falls, the will turn their full attention on the West. If they have an atomic bomb, they will use it. You are right to fight them as long as they boast about destroying you.

Yeah, there are some muslim fanatics out there. Same goes for every religion.

U forget to mention why people join them, I would join them too, even if my whole family wasnt murdered like in most cases.

We can learn a lot from hezbollah actually.

[Cdude]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door liberalist_NL

If by innocent you mean bomb firing child enslaving people, then I know what you're talking about.

Is dat een woordpuzzel of kan je er ook een zin van maken?

[Israëlisch]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door liberalist_NL

Het is goed dat men in Israël merkt hoe eenzijdig onze media met dit soort conflicten omgaan. Israël is geen boeman en heeft al meermaals geprobeerd een vrede met de Palestijnen te verwezenlijken; maar voor hen is het alles of niets! En zo lang de eis van de opheffing van Israël zal bestaan, zal er geen vrede komen.

Hi Liberalist_NL,

You have touched a good point, one of our basic demand for the Palestinian is just to "recognize our right to exist" a simple but yet not obvious fact to every one.
The state of Israel says more then this, It says that if Hams will recognize our right to exist we will sit to the table with him also.
But the problem that Hamas say no! He climes that we are not suppose to be here and we have no right to exist!

So now I ask, how can you make peace with people like this?

PS.
Just to emphasize the point: The Fatah got much more by siting to the table with us rather then fighting us.

[Breezertrut]

Hamas said yesterday they would consider recognising Israel if they stopped the seige

[liberalist_NL]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude

Is dat een woordpuzzel of kan je er ook een zin van maken?

Dat is een perfect correcte Engelse zin.

[Breezertrut]

I couldnt agree more

Israel today is captive to a false sense of victimhood, which goes together with a sense of false omnipotence.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...ttack-1.293885

[SDX]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Cdude

Wéélllllllll,
Besides the "forgotten" point that the blockade is Illegal (Gaza is NOT Israeli territory), it was WELL away from the blockade parameters.

Oeps, forgotten details? Useless efford. We have been through all of this the last few days.

Jij gaat wel vaker recht dóór de bocht!

Jij hebt blijkbaar nog nooit gehoord over de 'San Remo Manuel' (ik heb dit bericht hier nochtans dagen geleden geplaatst)!

De Israëlische beslissing om deze actie in internationale wateren uit te voeren was legaal volgens het internationale recht. Volgens de San Remo Manual voor het Internationale Recht voor conflict op zee is het toegestaan om “neutrale" schepen op open zee aan te vallen wanneer er reden is om aan te nemen dat zij smokkelwaar vervoeren of van plan zijn een blokkade te breken.

@ Israelisch; don't pay any atention to what the rabid anti-Semite writes, there are still ppl who support Israel, who understand what it's like to live under continuous threats of a hostile ppl that don't ever seem to want truce or peace, only keep on attacking and provoking your country by numerous rocket attacks, suicide terrorists, anti-Jewish propaganda and pallywood stories.
A ppl that don't even give you the right to exist, don't grant your country legitimacy!
Some of us know and understand how it must be like to have to live like that, defending yourselves day after day after day...not only against a hostile and ongoing attacking ppl, but also against the rest of the world who don't grant your country legitimacy.
We only hope next time Israel finds itself in this kind of situation it'll handle it with some diplomacy and simply drags the 'flotilla's' to the port of Ashdod!

[Israëlisch]

[quote=Cdude;4789592]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Israëlisch

U clearly don't know what a "gagging order" entails so I'll stop waisting my time.
Look it up. I can tell you it's NOT "house arrest".

My private life is, excuse my French , non of yr f*** business.
The murder of innocent people is.

All I want is from you to talk to the point, Using bad language does only make you look bad

Any way, I understand that you never been here, but you claims to "understand" and to "know".

Most people living in this area do not understand it, then you do!

Well, to open your mind I will not be able but by letting show the nice people here that there are other sides you have done a great service for me and I thank you for that.

Cheers

[RodeLantaarn]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Israëlisch

Look all I am trying is to open your mind, When you say "blockade is Illegal" what do you mean? Illegal to whom? From my side we are in a state of war with Gaza and we have to do every thing in order to protect our selves, Wouldn't you do the same?
And regarding the illegal part a sea blockade is a legitimate part of war.

If you realy had an open mind, you would know that the war was caused by Israel. Don't start with the crap about the rockets, the Palestinian rockets did in NO proportion cause the same death toll as Israelian agression. And even so, what do you think it is that you have to protect yourselves? Because you forced all those people out of their homes and left them to die.

Leave the fact that we supply Gaza with all the humanitarian needs. have you ever asked your self how come you never heard about starvation in gaza or people die from lack of medicine?

That's the same as thinking: 'We deny them so much, but not everything, so it's okay?'. It still sounds like BS.

and one more thing:
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideast...es/001114.html
Life don't seems so bad in Gaza from here...

here is the original link of the Palestinian paper:
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=285242

Maan is the Palestinian news agency.

You say you have an open mind, but all I can differentiate from your posts is zionist propaganda. Conclusion: Hasbara troll.

[RodeLantaarn]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door SDX

Jij gaat wel vaker recht dóór de bocht!

Jij hebt blijkbaar nog nooit gehoord over de 'San Remo Manuel' (ik heb dit bericht hier nochtans dagen geleden geplaatst)!




@ Israelisch; don't pay any atention to what the rabid anti-Semite writes, there are still ppl who support Israel, who understand what it's like to live under continuous threats of a hostile ppl that don't ever seem to want truce or peace, only keep on attacking and provoking your country by numerous rocket attacks, suicide terrorists, anti-Jewish propaganda and pallywood stories.
A ppl that don't even give you the right to exist, don't grant your country legitimacy!
Some of us know and understand how it must be like to have to live like that, defending yourselves day after day after day...not only against a hostile and ongoing attacking ppl, but also against the rest of the world who don't grant your country legitimacy.
We only hope next time Israel finds itself in this kind of situation it'll handle it with some diplomacy and simply drags the 'flotilla's' to the port of Ashdod!

Arm paranoïde schaapje toch

[liberalist_NL]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door RodeLantaarn

If you realy had an open mind, you would know that the war was caused by Israel. Don't start with the crap about the rockets, the Palestinian rockets did in NO proportion cause the same death toll as Israelian agression. And even so, what do you think it is that you have to protect yourselves? Because you forced all those people out of their homes and left them to die.

Bullshit. The war with Gaza started because Israël left Gaza to the Palestinians!

Geef ze een vinger, en ze nemen de hele hand.

That's the same as thinking: 'We deny them so much, but not everything, so it's okay?'. It still sounds like BS.

It still contradicts all the stories about starving Gazans. So no, it's not BS, it's incredibly relevant, especially to lefty-multicultural terroristlovers like you.

You say you have an open mind, but all I can differentiate from your posts is zionist propaganda. Conclusion: Hasbara troll.

You've just uncovered yourself being a national-socialist.

[RodeLantaarn]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door liberalist_NL

You've just uncovered yourself being a national-socialist.

You truly must be an idiot if you can derive that from such a sentence. But I am aware of the fact that you are uncapable of reading even the shortest sentence properly. Unless, of course, it supports your own retarded belief system that is actually based on subtle brainwashing and consenting slavery. But the funny thing is that you lack the brain cells to even see that.

[Israëlisch]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door SDX

@ Israelisch; don't pay any atention to what the rabid anti-Semite writes, there are still ppl who support Israel, who understand what it's like to live under continuous threats of a hostile ppl that don't ever seem to want truce or peace, only keep on attacking and provoking your country by numerous rocket attacks, suicide terrorists, anti-Jewish propaganda and pallywood stories.
A ppl that don't even give you the right to exist, don't grant your country legitimacy!
Some of us know and understand how it must be like to have to live like that, defending yourselves day after day after day...not only against a hostile and ongoing attacking ppl, but also against the rest of the world who don't grant your country legitimacy.
We only hope next time Israel finds itself in this kind of situation it'll handle it with some diplomacy and simply drags the 'flotilla's' to the port of Ashdod!

Hi SDX

Thanks for the kind words. I understand there is a lot of antagonize toward Israel in the world, And this is the reason I am here, I find it important to show other sides and not to live the stage to only one side.
I do not take Cdud to my hart , I have talked with worse ppl then him about the subject, I am just happy to be here and to see that there are ppl that do understand us.
And also to explain ppl the situation we are in because a lot of them are just not aware.

I must say also I though even before that this is a bad Idea to storm a ship like this, I wish there was an other way also, it was an obvious trap with all the cameras and the reporter.
The funny thing is that it had noting to do with Aid to Gaza it had all to do with gaining media attention and to demonize Israel.

I am so sorry for the dead people but I believe that our soldiers acted as they should have in these circumstances.

[liberalist_NL]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door RodeLantaarn

You truly must be an idiot if you can derive that from such a sentence. But I am aware of the fact that you are uncapable of reading even the shortest sentence properly. Unless, of course, it supports your own retarded belief system that is actually based on subtle brainwashing and consenting slavery. But the funny thing is that you lack the brain cells to even see that.

Socialism + anti-Jewish sentiment = national-socialism. About the brainwashing part: the only countries that brainwash their children are Islamic countries and communist states. Both groups that you consider to be allies in your war on freedom.

[Dajjal]

Shalom Israelisch !

You're not going to find a whole lot of sympathy on this forum, which is engulfed in an abundance of anti-Israeli posters... Add to that the Belgian media is entirely biased against Israel, and that most everyone considers it politically correct to be in Hamas' corner. Most of them have NEVER been to Israel...

Good luck with trying to have a normal discussion about the subject and Israel's right to defend itself... You are a brave man

HaMa'eiven Yavin

[RodeLantaarn]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door liberalist_NL

Socialism + anti-Jewish sentiment = national-socialism. About the brainwashing part: the only countries that brainwash their children are Islamic countries and communist states. Both groups that you consider to be allies in your war on freedom.

You are truly hilarious.

First of all, you don't understand what national-socialism is, thinking that it is only based on the beliefs that Jews are 'evil' (in no sense do I ever express hatred against Jews, you make that up) and not the socio-economical interpretation. Even a chicken could look at wikipedia, but you just make stuff up on the way.

And second, you maybe see the obvious brainwashing in these ideologies, but are not capable of understanding the subtle ways of indoctrination and desensitisation that you so gladly support. The moment you have to start looking beneath the surface, it becomes too hard for you, doesn't it?

[Israëlisch]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door RodeLantaarn

If you realy had an open mind, you would know that the war was caused by Israel. Don't start with the crap about the rockets, the Palestinian rockets did in NO proportion cause the same death toll as Israelian agression. And even so, what do you think it is that you have to protect yourselves? Because you forced all those people out of their homes and left them to die.

That's the same as thinking: 'We deny them so much, but not everything, so it's okay?'. It still sounds like BS.

You say you have an open mind, but all I can differentiate from your posts is zionist propaganda. Conclusion: Hasbara troll.

Hi RodeLantaarn!

Love your post!

Lts talk about a few facts:

1) the war was caused by Israel - What war are you talking about? the one in 67 when all the armies or the Arabs were tryng to kick us to the sea? (BTW and then we made the mistake of occupying the land) or the war that is going on since 89 Intifada? or maybe the last one that we did on 09 in Gaza that was precede by 8000 rockets?

2)We deny them so much, but not everything, so it's okay? - I guess the next thing you will want us to send in to Gaza is the rockets to shoot at us!

3)Hasbara troll - Well Like I said before I wish the "Hasbara trolls" were more like me, Again this is the reason that people like you think in such a one track mind. Sorry to disappoint you I am not Hasbara. Just some one who is trying to show you there are 2 sides to every coin.

[liberalist_NL]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door RodeLantaarn

You are truly hilarious.

First of all, you don't understand what national-socialism is, thinking that it is only based on the beliefs that Jews are 'evil' (in no sense do I ever express hatred against Jews, you make that up) and not the socio-economical interpretation. Even a chicken could look at wikipedia, but you just make stuff up on the way.

I don't the difference. It's a simple mathematical calculation. 1+1.

And second, you maybe see the obvious brainwashing in these ideologies, but are not capable of understanding the subtle ways of indoctrination and desensitisation that you so gladly support. The moment you have to start looking beneath the surface, it becomes too hard for you, doesn't it?

When I watch television, all I see is anti-Israeli broadcastings. They even let anti-Semites like Gretta Duijsenberg on, while not a single Israel supporter has been on television for ages (unless you consider Geert Wilders an Israel supporter)!

Let's drop the idea that the brainwashing media are on my side. They are on your side.