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Oud 2 maart 2012, 03:33   #41
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my dear brothers

In the teachings of the Islamic religion
1 - includes the punishment the infidels and the polytheists, Jews, Christians and Hindus 00,000
Yet as a result of Removed from the oneness of God and its involvement
God says in the Holy Qur'an
in the Holy Qur'an the name of God the Merciful ((72) They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah – Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.
(73) They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.
(74) So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
(75) . The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.
(76) Say, "Do you worship besides Allah that which holds for you no [power of] harm or benefit while it is Allah who is the Hearing, the Knowing?

(48) Indeed, All h does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with All h has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.

(31) Inclining [only] to Allah , not associating [anything] with Him. And he who associates with Allah - it is as though he had fallen from the sky and was snatched by the birds or the wind carried him down into a remote place.

6. And for those who disbelieve in their Lord (Allah) is the torment of Hell, and worst indeed is that destination.
7. When they are cast therein, they will hear the (terrible) drawing in of its breath as it blazes forth.
8. It almost bursts up with fury. Every time a group is cast therein, its keeper will ask: "Did no warner come to you?"
9. They will say: "Yes indeed; a warner did come to us, but we belied him and said: 'Allah never sent down anything (of revelation), you are only in great error.'"
10. And they will say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we would not have been among the dwellers of the blazing Fire!"
11. Then they will confess their sin. So, away with the dwellers of the blazing Fire.
12. Verily! Those who fear their Lord unseen (i.e. they do not see Him, nor His Punishment in the Hereafter, etc.), theirs will be forgiveness and a great reward (i.e. Paradise).

2 - punishment includes Muslim hypocrites
This means that it is not a real Muslim
But pretending to do so
and fought Islam in secret
And the punishment of a Muslim hypocrite
More than the infidel
God says in the Holy Qur'an
(142) Indeed, the hypocrites [think to] deceive All h, but He is deceiving them. And when they stand for prayer, they stand lazily, showing [themselves to] the people and not remembering All h except a little,
(143) Wavering between them, [belonging] neither to the believers nor to the disbelievers. And whoever All h leaves astray – never will you find for him a way.
(145) Indeed, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire – and never will you find for them a helper –


3 - punishment for a sinner Muslim who commits sins such as murder - adultery - usury ----
«Sahih Al-Bukhari Narrated by Abu Huraira

The Prophet said, "Avoid the seven Great Destructive Sins." The people enquire, "O Allah`s Messenger (saws)! What are they? " He (saws) said:

"To join others in worship along with Allah,
to practice sorcery,
to kill the life which Allah has for bidden except for a just cause, (according to Islamic law),
to eat up riba (usury),
to eat up an orphan`s wealth,
to give back to the enemy and fleeing from the battlefield at the time of fighting,
and to accuse chaste women, who never even think of anything touching chastity and are good believers»


4 - a Muslim who has good works and acts of bad in this world
God says in the Holy Qur'an
(102) And [there are] others who have acknowledged their sins. They had mixed a righteous deed with another that was bad. Perhaps Allah will turn to them in forgiveness. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
The solution here to all

Sincere repentance of the adulterer and the determination not to go back again and will accept the repentance of God
And speed to good deeds
You can repent to allah
And thus will not be subjected to punishment
(135) And those who, when they commit an immorality or wrong themselves [by transgression], remember Allah and seek forgiveness for their sins – and who can forgive sins except Allah? – and [who] do not persist in what they have done while they know.
(136) Those – their reward is forgiveness from their Lord and gardens beneath which rivers flow [in Paradise], wherein they will abide eternally; and excellent is the reward of the [righteous] workers.
(68) And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty
(69) Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated
(70) Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful
(71) And he who repents and does righteousness does indeed turn to Allah with [accepted] repentance
(72) And [they are] those who do not testify to falsehood, and when they pass near ill speech, they pass by with dignity
(73) And those who, when reminded of the verses of their Lord, do not fall upon them deaf and blind
(74)
(75) Those will be awarded the Chamber for what they patiently endured, and they will be received therein with greetings and [words of] peace
(76) Abiding eternally therein. Good is the settlement and residence

(104) Do they not know that it is Allah who accepts repentance from His servants and receives charities and that it is Allah who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful?

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my dear brothers

In the teachings of the Islamic religion
1 - includes the punishment the infidels and the polytheists, Jews, Christians and Hindus 00,000
Yet as a result of Removed from the oneness of God and its involvement
God says in the Holy Qur'an

6. And for those who disbelieve in their Lord (Allah) is the torment of Hell, and worst indeed is that destination.
7. When they are cast therein, they will hear the (terrible) drawing in of its breath as it blazes forth.
8. It almost bursts up with fury. Every time a group is cast therein, its keeper will ask: "Did no warner come to you?"
9. They will say: "Yes indeed; a warner did come to us, but we belied him and said: 'Allah never sent down anything (of revelation), you are only in great error.'"
10. And they will say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we would not have been among the dwellers of the blazing Fire!"
11. Then they will confess their sin. So, away with the dwellers of the blazing Fire.
U ziet, mohammedanen zijn verstandig (intelligent) en ze doen alles om straks niet in het vuur geworpen te worden. De vraag of dit leven zin heeft is hen zelfs niet gegund - ze sloven zich uit om aan de hel te ontsnappen.

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U ziet, mohammedanen zijn verstandig (intelligent) en ze doen alles om straks niet in het vuur geworpen te worden. De vraag of dit leven zin heeft is hen zelfs niet gegund - ze sloven zich uit om aan de hel te ontsnappen.
Yes, my dear brother

I want you to look at your body
Who is the creator?
Where did you came?

Why do humans die?

Who controls the human spirit?

Who created the sun and the moon?

For me this is evidence of faith

These things have to be a creator of her

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Yes, my dear brother

I want you to look at your body
Who is the creator?
Where did you came?

Why do humans die?

Who controls the human spirit?

Who created the sun and the moon?

For me this is evidence of faith

These things have to be a creator of her

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L3Ptiv1ZWw
Je support van een vertaler doet wonderen.

Je stelt erg veel vragen en je eenvoudige antwoord produceert nog een extra vraag.

Wie is de schepper van de schepper?
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I want you to look at your body
Every moring in the mirror.

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Who is the creator?
My parents.

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Where did you came?
None of you're business

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Why do humans die?
Because life hasn't found a way to repair itself indefinitely.

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Who controls the human spirit?
Nobody.

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Who created the sun and the moon?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFLOsRSuW0E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO45Z...eature=related

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I suppose you did not understand me reveleto. I'll put my question in English:

"If everything is created as you said, who created the Creator?"

If the Creator is not created, something is wrong with your argument.
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No my dear brother

I want you to open your eyes well
Because after death
There is no room for retreat
But
Remorse
And loss only

89. Except him who brings to Allah a clean heart [clean from Shirk (polytheism) and Nifaq (hypocrisy)].

90. And Paradise will be brought near to the Muttaqun (pious - see V.2:2).

91. And the (Hell) Fire will be placed in full view of the erring.

92. And it will be said to them: "Where are those (the false gods whom you used to set up as rivals with Allah) that you used to worship

93. "Instead of Allah? Can they help you or (even) help themselves?"

94. Then they will be thrown on their faces into the (Fire), They and the Ghawun (devils, and those who were in error).

95. And the whole hosts of Iblis (Satan) together.

96. They will say while contending therein,

97. By Allah, we were truly in a manifest error,

98. When We held you (false gods) as equals (in worship) with the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists);

99. And none has brought us into error except the Mujrimun [Iblis (Satan) and those of human beings who commit crimes, murderers, polytheists, oppressors, etc.].

100. Now we have no intercessors,

101. Nor a close friend (to help us).

102. (Alas!) If we only had a chance to return (to the world), we shall truly be among the believers!

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No my dear brother

I want you to open your eyes well
Because after death
There is no room for retreat
But
Remorse
And loss only

89. Except him who brings to Allah a clean heart [clean from Shirk (polytheism) and Nifaq (hypocrisy)].

90. And Paradise will be brought near to the Muttaqun (pious - see V.2:2).

91. And the (Hell) Fire will be placed in full view of the erring.

92. And it will be said to them: "Where are those (the false gods whom you used to set up as rivals with Allah) that you used to worship

93. "Instead of Allah? Can they help you or (even) help themselves?"

94. Then they will be thrown on their faces into the (Fire), They and the Ghawun (devils, and those who were in error).

95. And the whole hosts of Iblis (Satan) together.

96. They will say while contending therein,

97. By Allah, we were truly in a manifest error,

98. When We held you (false gods) as equals (in worship) with the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists);

99. And none has brought us into error except the Mujrimun [Iblis (Satan) and those of human beings who commit crimes, murderers, polytheists, oppressors, etc.].

100. Now we have no intercessors,

101. Nor a close friend (to help us).

102. (Alas!) If we only had a chance to return (to the world), we shall truly be among the believers!

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No my dear brother

I want you to open your eyes well
Because after death
There is no room for retreat
But
Remorse
And loss only

89. Except him who brings to Allah a clean heart [clean from Shirk (polytheism) and Nifaq (hypocrisy)].

90. And Paradise will be brought near to the Muttaqun (pious - see V.2:2).

91. And the (Hell) Fire will be placed in full view of the erring.

92. And it will be said to them: "Where are those (the false gods whom you used to set up as rivals with Allah) that you used to worship

93. "Instead of Allah? Can they help you or (even) help themselves?"

94. Then they will be thrown on their faces into the (Fire), They and the Ghawun (devils, and those who were in error).

95. And the whole hosts of Iblis (Satan) together.

96. They will say while contending therein,

97. By Allah, we were truly in a manifest error,

98. When We held you (false gods) as equals (in worship) with the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists);

99. And none has brought us into error except the Mujrimun [Iblis (Satan) and those of human beings who commit crimes, murderers, polytheists, oppressors, etc.].

100. Now we have no intercessors,

101. Nor a close friend (to help us).

102. (Alas!) If we only had a chance to return (to the world), we shall truly be among the believers!

God guided you to Islam


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I suppose you did not understand me reveleto.

"If everything is created as you said, who created the Creator?"

First answer my question please.
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I suppose you did not understand me reveleto.

"If everything is created as you said, who created the Creator?"

First answer my question please.
- Yes, my dear brother
One God
Is the Creator of all things
Lord of heaven and earth
Lord of creatures and objects
Lord of the prophets and messengers
From the beginning of Adam to Muhammad, peace be upon them
Lord of the angels
The source of all divine books

No god but God
1. Say (O Muhammad ()): "He is Allah, (the) One.
2. "Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).
3. "He begets not, nor was He begotten;
4. "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."

I wrote those questions
To think about her answer in your mind and your heart

To get you on the path to the straight path of guidance

(185) Do they not look into the realm of the heavens and the earth and everything that Allah has created and [think] that perhaps their appointed time has come near? So in what statement hereafter will they believe?
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- Yes, my dear brother
One God
Is the Creator of all things
Lord of heaven and earth
Lord of creatures and objects
Lord of the prophets and messengers
From the beginning of Adam to Muhammad, peace be upon them
Lord of the angels
The source of all divine books

No god but God
1. Say (O Muhammad ()): "He is Allah, (the) One.
2. "Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).`
3. "He begets not, nor was He begotten;
4. "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."

I wrote those questions
To think about her answer in your mind and your heart

To get you on the path to the straight path of guidance

(185) Do they not look into the realm of the heavens and the earth and everything that Allah has created and [think] that perhaps their appointed time has come near? So in what statement hereafter will they believe?
The answer "... nor was he begotten" means that Allah was not conceived or created. This contradicts the statement that everything is created; therefore, I cannot believe it.

I guess that for you creation was an event. We say that events take place on a particular time and place. Therefore I have this question for you: Where was Allah and how old was He when he started creating?

Besides, I do not believe that all things (materials or species) were created.
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My dear brother No,

God the Creator of everything
But
allah does not get married like humans
allah does not get married never
So there is no boys like humans

God says in the Holy Qur'an
(42) And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds.
(43) O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]."
(44) That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal to you, [O Muammad]. And you were not with them when they cast their pens as to which of them should be responsible for Mary. Nor were you with them when they disputed.
(45) [And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary – distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah].

(46) He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous."
(47) She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is.
(48) And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel
(49) And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead – by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.
(50) And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me.
(51) Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path."
(52) But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah. We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him].

(53) Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger Jesus, so register us among the witnesses [to truth]."
(54) And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.
(55) [Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.
(56) And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."
(57) But as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards, and Allah does not like the wrongdoers.
(58) This is what We recite to you, [O Muammad], of [Our] verses and the precise [and wise] message.
(59) Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.
(60) The truth is from your Lord, so do not be among the doubters.
(61) Then whoever argues with you about it after [this] knowledge has come to you – say, "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then supplicate earnestly [together] and invoke the curse of Allah upon the liars [among us]."
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My dear brother No,

God the Creator of everything
But
allah does not get married like humans
allah does not get married never
So there is no boys like humans

God says in the Holy Qur'an
(42) And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds.
(43) O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]."
(44) That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal to you, [O Muammad]. And you were not with them when they cast their pens as to which of them should be responsible for Mary. Nor were you with them when they disputed.
(45) [And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary – distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah].

(46) He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous."
(47) She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is.
(48) And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel
(49) And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead – by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.
(50) And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me.
(51) Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path."
(52) But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah. We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him].

(53) Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger Jesus, so register us among the witnesses [to truth]."
(54) And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.
(55) [Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.
(56) And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."
(57) But as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards, and Allah does not like the wrongdoers.
(58) This is what We recite to you, [O Muammad], of [Our] verses and the precise [and wise] message.
(59) Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.
(60) The truth is from your Lord, so do not be among the doubters.
(61) Then whoever argues with you about it after [this] knowledge has come to you – say, "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then supplicate earnestly [together] and invoke the curse of Allah upon the liars [among us]."
In everything you write here I do not see a solution to the contradiction Piero points out here:
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The answer "... nor was he begotten" means that Allah was not conceived or created. This contradicts the statement that everything is created; therefore, I cannot believe it.
Also, you do not seem to find an answer in your “Holy Qur'an” to Piero’s question below:
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I guess that for you creation was an event. We say that events take place on a particular time and place. Therefore I have this question for you: Where was Allah and how old was He when he started creating?
In case you haven’t noticed,
Both statements above demonstrate the same underlying conflict in your reasoning and I don’t think you have understood the importance, from your perspective, of finding a solution to the issue, because not finding a sensible solution implies that “allah”, or any other creator for that matter, simply cannot exist.
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(Again?)

"How to make somebody Muslim in 24 hours of brainwashing"

The video admits that the method is particularly effective on people who have never learned to think.
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(Again?)

"How to make somebody Muslim in 24 hours of brainwashing"

The video admits that the method is particularly effective on people who have never learned to think.
my dear brothers

Anyone can convert to Islam

In five minutes

If you touched the truth his mind and his heart

And entered the light of faith and guidance from God
You remember the
The story of Islam, Omar bin al-Khattab may Allah be pleased with him
Holder of sword in his hand to kill the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
But
What happened?
Safest in the same moment at the hands of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

And you know now

Omar ibn al-Khattab
One of his great rival in Islam
It is the ten promised Paradise
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my dear brothers

Anyone can convert to Islam

In five minutes


If you touched the truth his mind and his heart

And entered the light of faith and guidance from God
You remember the
The story of Islam, Omar bin al-Khattab may Allah be pleased with him
Holder of sword in his hand to kill the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
But What happened?
Safest (Piero: he was converted) in the same moment at the hands of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him


And you know now

Omar ibn al-Khattab
One of his great rival in Islam
It is the ten promised Paradise
This story is an adaptation of the story of St Paul. How many versions do you know of this story? Did you know this one? :

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Umar converted to Islam in 616, one year after the Migration to Abyssinia. The story was recounted in Ibn Ishaq's Sīrah: On the way to murder Muhammad, Umar met his best friend Nu'aim ibn Abdi 'Allah who had secretly embraced Islam but he did not tell Umar anything about it. When Umar told him that he was going to kill Muhammad, he was afraid. He knew that Umar would attempt what he said. So just to divert his attention he told him to set his own house in order first, as his sister and her husband had converted to Islam. Umar was taken aback to learn this. Upon arriving at her house, Umar found his sister and brother-in-law Saeed bin Zaid (Umar's cousin), reciting the verses of the Qur'an (Surah Ta Ha).[17] He started quarreling with his brother-in-law . When his sister came to rescue her husband, he also started quarreling with her. Yet still they kept on saying "you may kill us but we will not give up Islam". Upon hearing these words, Umar slapped his sister so hard that she fell to the ground bleeding from her mouth. When he saw what he had done to his sister, out of guilt he calmed down and asked his sister to give him what she was reciting. She gave him the paper on which was written the verses of the chapter Ta-Ha.
Pretty rough people that occasioned the birth of Islam don't you think? Umar became Mohammed's best friend and father in law. They were two of a kind I would say. It reminds me of St Paul and the birth of Christendom. As Allah's tax collector, Mohammed could accomplish nothing without the power of the sword."

Besides, you see, the Qur'an was written and recited long before he was officially written; isn't that funny?
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my dear brothers

Anyone can convert to Islam

In five minutes

If you touched the truth his mind and his heart

And entered the light of faith and guidance from God
You remember the
The story of Islam, Omar bin al-Khattab may Allah be pleased with him
Holder of sword in his hand to kill the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
But
What happened?
Safest in the same moment at the hands of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

And you know now

Omar ibn al-Khattab
One of his great rival in Islam
It is the ten promised Paradise
My poor naïve muslim friend,

You avoid thinking about the simplest of questions.
Why? Because you know what the answer could mean to you.

Deep down you know that there is a possibility you could be wrong in your beliefs.
Deep down you know that everything your religion demands of you and everything it forces you to give up, you could be doing for no purpose what so ever.
Deep down you know you could be throwing your life away for a non existing cause.

But be aware, that feeling deep down will only get worse with age because as you get older you will have given up more and more of your life to your beliefs, potentially for a non existing cause.
Finally, at the end of your life when you’re lying on your death bed, you can count on that feeling being stronger than ever because you will be at the point of finding out. Was it all for nothing? Did you throw your whole life away?

You know all this, deep down, you just need to admit this to yourself.

Have you ever asked yourself why you feel you need to convince people like myself that your beliefs are the correct ones? I do not see people of other beliefs do this nearly as much as muslims do.
If you were truly in peace with yourself and your beliefs, you would not give a rats ass about what my beliefs are.

You continually try to force your beliefs onto people like me because we are a constant reminder for you of the hard truth above, the fact that you could be wrong, that you could be throwing your life away for a non existing cause.

As much as you would like that feeling deep down that tells you you could be wrong about everything to go away, people like me are in your view all the time and by just being there we keep reminding you that that feeling is there.

Let go of all that has been forced down your throat and for once trust that feeling deep down.
Use your own brains for once and don't just blindly follow the crowd around you.
Live for life, not for death. Enjoy what is now and don’t make yourself suffer because of what might be after life.

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No my dear brothers

allah says in the Holy Qur'an

(56) Indeed, [O Muhammad], you do not guide whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He is most knowing of the [rightly] guided
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