Media in de US

[Gunter]

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Gary Webb, de journalist die blootlegde dat de CIA op grote schaal drugs in het land bracht, heeft zich gezelfmoord , althans, dat beweert men. Er zijn bewijzen dat hij zich niet gezelfmoord heeft maar dat hij is vermoord. Op de volgende link kan je ook een filmpje over zijn werk zien, en je kan ook zien hoe John Kerry die toen senator was, werd ingeschakeld als diegene die optrad voor "damage control"!! Hij moest een beetje de waarheid tonen maar niet helemaal. Ongelooflijk. Het verwonderd me niet dat hij dan pesidentskandidaat is geworden. Ons kent ons.

de Nederlandse taal is weer veranderd sinds gisteren blijkbaar...

[Antoon]

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Ja , met behulp van Bin Laden 3 dagen voor de verkiezingen. Hoeveel duidelijker kan het nog zijn. Bush wint met het meeste stemmen ooit... dit op zich zou al een aanwijzing moeten zijn dat er gefraudeerd is. En wees gerust, als ze gefraudeerd hebben zullen ze het deze keer wel goed gedaan hebben, en niet zoals in 2000.

Interessant dat je nu Osama Bin Laden in het kamp van Bush zet. Alle, dat je dit nu ook weer klakkeloos gelooft omdat het ook zo op jouw favoriete websites van Tribel Messenger en Conspiracy Planet beweerd wordt.
Je vergeet echter dat diezelfde 'ernstige bronnen' eind 2001 beweerden dat Osama Bin Laden in feite dood was, maar dat dit door de V.S.-regering bewust werd verzwegen om hem te kunnen gebruiken als zondebok.
Dat was de theorie van toen.

Als je telkens elke flutbewering gelooft, dan is dat jouw probleem. Maar je moet wel proberen een beetje consistent te blijven, want het is zo al belachelijk genoeg.

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Maar het is verloren moeite om mensen zoals Antoon proberen nog maar warm te maken voor andere gezichtspunten. Bij zo'n mensen moesten ze de waarheid zelfs voor hun eigen ogen zien, ze zouden het nog altijd ontkennen.

Over welke waarheid heb je het in dit geval? Osama dood en zondebok? Of Osama levend en partner?

[Ana]

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Maar in dit geval zijn het gewoon anti's die kost wat kost niet willen aanvaarden dat Bush een klinkende overwinning heeft behaald, die niet kunnen slikken dat hij ook de popular vote heeft gewonnen, en dit met het grootste aantal stemmen achter zijn naam ooit, in de geschiedenis van dat land. Ook zijn tegenstanders hebben dat reeds lang aanvaard en bevestigd.

Vandaar dat hun pogingen om veel lawaai te maken over fraude en valse verkiezingen niet alleen belachelijk zijn maar ook zonder pardon naar sprookjesland mogen worden gestuurd.

Dat sommige van zijn 'tegenstanders' al lang aanvaard hebben dat hij de verkiezingen zou gewonnen hebben wil niets zeggen. Er zijn ook heel wat mensen in de VS die er wel degelijk van overtuigd zijn dat de verkiezingen alweer gestolen zijn, alleen bericht de media (zowel Amerikaanse als Europese) daar nauwelijks over. Dankzij het elektronisch stemmen is het dan ook al heel wat moeilijker geworden om aan te tonen dat er gefraudeerd is.

De aanwijzingen zijn er in elk geval wel:
terwijl de exit polls bij vorige verkiezingen betrouwbaar bleken, was dat bij de laatste twee presidentsverkiezingen wel anders. Kort na het sluiten van de kiesbureaus meldde de media dat John Kerry het wellicht zou halen, zich baserend op die exit polls.
De baas van Diebold, een bedrijf dat veel van de elektronische stemmachines leverde (o.a. in Ohio) heeft openlijk verklaard Bush te steunen (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm).

One of the first statistical anomalies to appear on election night were Bush’s astounding victories in Florida. In counties registered heavily democratic, Bush scored amazing victories, earning all of the republican vote and half of the democrat vote as well. For instance, in Holmes County, Florida democrats are 73% of the registered voters, yet Bush received 77% of the vote. What’s an even more striking coincidence is that these results are repeated only in Florida optical-scan counties. In touchscreen voting counties the number of registered democrats and the number of kerry votes was similar, but in optical-scan counties they were reversed.

Optical-scan counties use Diebold software on the central tabulator, which is a windows pc hooked up to a modem. Precincts dial in their results to this machine which is something akin to the ’one ring to rule them all’. Bev Harris found it odd that county officials accidentally gave her the county’s central tabulator phone number- if she had been a malicious hacker, she could have hacked the vote from her home computer.

Exit Polls created much of the controversy, when they were dead on in most states, but way off in swing states, where the early exit polls predicted a Kerry win, the machine tabulators computed a Bush victory. The mainstream media instantly reported that the exit polls were flawed, CNN even went so far as to change their exit polls to match with the voting results. A member of DemocraticUnderground.com had been watching these polls closely, and had actually saved a screenshot of the CNN exit poll before it was altered. CNN claimed to have over-sampled black voters, and had changed their results accordingly.

This still doesn’t account for the amazing coincidence of the exit polls being accurate in most states, but off in others. Steven Freeman, PhD professor at the University of Pennsylvania writes that exit polls are usually quite accurate, and the odds of them coincidentally being off in some states and not others is about 250 million to 1.
(http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4511)

http://www.bushoccupation.com/

[exodus]

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Zeg ik zie de heren Bush en Clinton in uw onderschrift eigenlijk nogal een onchristelijk gebaar maken?

Inderdaad, waarom ze dat doen weet ik niet echt. Er is een verklaring voor natuurlijk maar ik denk dat het antwoord wederom eens alle fictie overtreft.

[exodus]

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Als je telkens elke flutbewering gelooft, dan is dat jouw probleem. Maar je moet wel proberen een beetje consistent te blijven, want het is zo al belachelijk genoeg.

Als je elke bewering van Bush gelooft is het ook wel redelijk naïef. Dat er van deze websites soms wel eens heel erg gespeculeerd wordt is een feit. En dit zijn trouwens geen favourite websites van mij. Ik geloof enkel in een conspiracy als er aanwijzingen voor zijn. In aliens geloof ik niet. Ik geloof wel dat 9/11 een inside job is. Ik heb erover gelezen, en het is maar al te makkelijk om kritische informatie af te doen als "conspiracy".

[Antoon]

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Inderdaad, waarom ze dat doen weet ik niet echt. Er is een verklaring voor natuurlijk maar ik denk dat het antwoord wederom eens alle fictie overtreft.

Weet je het niet echt? Ik herinner mij nochtans een (zoveelste) prachtige complot-theorie van jou met betrekking tot geheime broederschappen waarbij zowel Clinton als Bush als zelfs Kerry deel uitmaakten, in feite reeds alle Presidenten sinds mensenheugenis. En dit zou dan hun teken van verwantschap moeten zijn, was het zo een verhaal niet? En die hadden reeds op voorhand gepland dat een van hun "broeders" ook deze keer President ging worden, en gelijk wie het was zou nog eens een aantal torens doen opblazen, eens ze in New York zijn herbouwd. Met de hulp van de CIA en van Halliburton, waarvan ook Osama Bin Laden aandeelhouder is, of een van zijn familieleden, of zoiets. Ben ik juist? Allee, ik zal in ieder geval niet ver zijn van jouw verhalen die ik op het forum heb gelezen...

[Jozef Ostyn]

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Ga je nu beweren dat Fox een onafhankelijke nieuwszender is ?

En, laat maar, zeker geen zin om een tijdje in de VS te gaan wonen,
en ik denk dat dat het best is

Gaat u nu beweren dat Fox de enige zender in de VS is?
Gaat u beweren dat er in de VS geen media zijn die zeer kritisch staan tegenover de huidige regering?

Neem rustig van mij aan dat de VS-media veel diverser zijn dan die in de meeste doorsnee Europese landen en zeker diverser dan in België.

[democratsteve]

‘t Is allemaal conspiracypropaganda van anti-Amerikanen, of van slechte verliezers, hé Antoon??
Hier is speciaal voor u ; Verkiezingsfraude, deel 2.
Btw, je hebt me nog geen repliek gegeven in de andere thread regarding de verkiezingsfraude.
Het enige wat je deed was de internetbron af te doen als “ongeloofwaardig”, alhoewel de originele bron niemand minder dan Judicial Watch is.


By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Report
Wednesday 15 December 2004
Among activists and investigators looking into allegations of vote fraud in the 2004 Presidential election, the company always mentioned was Diebold and its suspicious electronic touch-screen voting machines. It is Diebold that has multiple avowed Republicans on its Board of Directors. It was Diebold that gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Bush’s election campaign. It was Diebold CEO Walden O’Dell who vowed to deliver Ohio’s electoral votes to Bush.
As it turns out, everyone was looking the wrong way. The company that requires immediate and penetrating scrutiny is Triad Systems.
Triad is owned by a man named Tod Rapp, who has also donated money to both the Republican Party and the election campaign of George W. Bush. Triad manufactures punch-card voting systems, and also wrote the computer program that tallied the punch-card votes cast in 41 Ohio counties last November. This Triad company graphic displays the counties where their machines are used:
Given the ubiquity of the Triad voting systems in Ohio, the allegations that have been leveled against this company strike to the heart of the assumed result of the 2004 election.
Earlier this week, the allegations against triad were first raised by Green Party candidate David Cobb, who testified at a hearing held in Columbus, Ohio by Rep. John Conyers of the House Judiciary Committee. In his testimony, Cobb stated:
Mr. Chairman, though our time is limited, I must bring to the committee's attention the most recent and perhaps most troubling incident that was related to my campaign on Sunday, December 12, about a shocking event that occurred last Friday, December 10.
A representative from Triad Systems came into a county board of elections office un-announced. He said he was just stopping by to see if they had any questions about the up-coming recount. He then headed into the back room where the Triad supplied Tabulator (a card reader and older PC with custom software) is kept. He told them there was a problem and the system had a bad battery and had "lost all of its data". He then took the computer apart and started swapping parts in and out of it and another "spare" tower type PC also in the room. He may have had spare parts in his coat as one of the BOE people moved it and remarked as to how very heavy it was. He finally re-assembled everything and said it was working but to not turn it off.
He then asked which precinct would be counted for the 3% recount test, and the one which had been selected as it had the right number of votes, was relayed to him. He then went back and did something else to the tabulator computer.
The Triad Systems representative suggested that since the hand count had to match the machine count exactly, and since it would be hard to memorize the several numbers which would be needed to get the count to come out exactly right, that they should post this series of numbers on the wall where they would not be noticed by observers. He suggested making them look like employee information or something similar. The people doing the hand count could then just report these numbers no matter what the actual count of the ballots revealed. This would then "match" the tabulator report for this precinct exactly. The numbers were apparently the final certified counts for the selected precinct.
Triad is contracted to do much of the elections work in this county and elsewhere in Ohio. This included programming the candidates into the tabulator, and coming up with the rotation of candidates in the various precincts (that is, the order of which candidate is first changes between precincts). They also have a technician in the office on election night to actually run the tabulator itself.
Triad also supplies the network computers on which all of the voter registration information and processing is kept for the county.
It was unusual for the computers to be taken apart. At least one member of the Board of Elections was told the tabulator was in pieces when he called to check on the office.
The source of this report believes that the Triad representative was "making the rounds" of visiting other counties also before the recount. This person also stated they would not pass on the suggestion of the "posted" hidden totals, and would refuse to go along with it if it were suggested by the others in the office at the time.
The source of this information believes they could lose their job if they come forward.

Gelukkig zijn er helden die wel de moed hebben naar voor te komen. Sherole Eaton is één van hen.
The source of this information is named Sherole Eaton, Hocking County deputy director of elections. She has since written and signed an affidavit describing her experience with the Triad representative, the text of which is here:



AFFIDAVIT
December 13, 2004
Sherole Eaton
Re: General Election 2004 - Hocking County, TriAd
Dell Computer about 14 years old - No tower
On Friday, December 10 2004, Michael from TriAd called in the AM to inform us that he would be in our office in the PM on the same day. I asked him why he was visiting us. He said, "to check out your tabulator, computer, and that the attorneys will be asking some tricky questions and he wanted to go over some of the questions they maybe ask." He also added that there would be no charge for this service.
He arrived at about 12:30PM. I hung his coat up and it was very heavy. I made a comment about it being so heavy. He, Lisa Schwartze and I chatted for a few minutes. He proceeded to go to the room where our computer and tabulation machine is kept. I followed him into the room. I had my back to him when he turned the computer on. He stated that the computer was not coming up. I did see some commands at the lower left hand of the screen but no menu. He said that the battery in the computer was dead and that the stored information was gone. He said that he could put a patch on it and fix it. My main concern was - what if this happened when we were ready to do the recount. He proceeded to take the computer apart and call his offices to get information to input into our computer. Our computer is fourteen years old and as far as I know had always worked in the past. I asked him if the older computer, that is in the same room. could be used for the recount. I don't remember exactly what he said but I did relay to him that the computer was old and a spare. At some point he asked if he could take the spare computer apart and I said "yes". He took both computers apart. I don't remember seeing any tools and he asked Sue Wallace, Clerk, for a screwdriver. She got it for him. At this point I was frustrated about the computer not performing and feared that it wouldn't work for the recount. I called Gerald Robinette, board chairman, to inform him regarding the computer problem and asked him if we could have Tri Ad come to our offices to run the program and tabulator for the recount. Gerald talked on the phone with Michael and Michael assured Gerald that he could fix our computer. He worked on the computer until about 3:00 PM and then asked me which precinct and the number of the precinct we were going to count. I told him, Good Hope 1 # 17. He went back into the tabulation room. Shortly after that he (illegible) stated that the computer was ready for the recount and told us not to turn the computer off so it would charge up.
Before Lisa ran the tests, Michael said to turn the computer off. Lisa said, " I thought you said we weren't supposed to turn it off." He said turn it off and right back on and it should come up. It did come up and Lisa ran the tests. Michael gave us instructions on how to explain the rotarien, what the tests mean, etc. No advice on how to handle the attorneys but to have our Prosecuting Attorney at the recount to answer any of their legal questions. He said not to turn the computer off until after the recount.
He advised Lisa and I on how to post a "cheat sheet" on the wall so that only the board members and staff would know about it and and what the codes meant so the count would come out perfect and we wouldn't have to do a full hand recount of the county. He left about 5:00 PM.
My faith in Tri Ad and the Xenia staff has been nothing but good. The realization that this company and staff would do anything to dishonor or disrupt the voting process is distressing to me and hard to believe. I'm being completely objective about the above statements and the reason I'm bringing this forward is to, hopefully, rule out any wrongdoing.
Further buttressing Eaton’s claim is an addendum to a previous affidavit filed by Evelyn Roberson who, you may recall, was involved in the Greene County recount action that was summarily shut down by Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell. Her addendum reads as follows:
Addendum to Declaration of Evelyn Roberson dated December 12, 2004
Re: Incidents of December 10, 2004
This is to add to the approximately 1 :15 p.m. portion of the visit with the Deputy Director of Elections Lyn McCoy with respect to the following comment:
"She said they would have their computer technician check over their computers on Monday in case they has been tampered with."
the addition is that Lyn McCoy also mentioned to me at the same time that her computer technician was with Triad.
I declare under penalty of perjury the forgoing is true and correct.
Dated: December 14, 2004
Evelyn Roberson
Original versions of these documents should be available later on Wednesday on the website of Rep. Conyers.
Conyers, upon hearing these allegations, sent a letter to both the FBI Special Agent in Charge in Ohio and the Hocking County Prosecutor. The text of that letter is as follows:
December 15, 2004
As part of the Democratic staff's investigation into irregularities in the 2004 election and following up on a lead provided to me by Green Party Presidential Candidate, David Cobb, I have learned that Sherole Eaton, a Deputy Director of Board of Elections in Hocking County, Ohio, has first hand knowledge of inappropriate and likely illegal election tampering in the Ohio presidential election in violation of federal and state law.
I have information that similar actions of this nature may be occurring in other counties in Ohio. I am therefore asking that you immediately investigate this alleged misconduct and that, among other things, you consider the immediate impoundment of election machinery to prevent any further tampering.
On December 13, my staff met with Ms. Eaton who explained to them that last Friday, December 10, Michael Barbian, Jr., a representative of Triad GSI unilaterally sought and obtained access to the voting machinery and records in Hocking County, Ohio, modified the computer tabulator, learned which precinct was planned to be the subject of the initial test recount and made further alterations based on that information, and advised the election officials how to manipulate the machinery so that the preliminary hand recount matched the machine count. Ms. Eaton first relayed this information to Green Party representatives, and then completed, signed and notarized an affidavit describing this course of events, a copy of which is attached.
The Triad official sought access to the voting machinery based on the apparent pretext that he wanted to review some "legal questions" the officials might receive as part of the recount process. At several times during this visit, Mr. Barbian telephoned into Triad's offices to obtain programming information relating to the machinery and the precinct in question. I have subsequently learned that Triad officials have been, or are in the process of intervening in several other counties in Ohio - Greene and Monroe, and perhaps others (see attached).
There are several important considerations you should be aware of with respect to this matter. First, this course of conduct would appear to violate several provisions of federal law, in addition to the constitutional guarantees of equal protection and due process. 42 U.S.C. §1973 provides for criminal penalties against any person who, in any election for federal office, "knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by . . . the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held." 42 U.S.C. § 1974 also requires the retention and preservation, for a period of twenty-two months from the date of a federal election, of all voting records and papers and makes it a felony for any person to "willfully steal, destroy, conceal, mutilate, or alter" any such record. Further, any tampering with ballots and/or election machinery would violate the constitutional rights of all citizens to vote and have their votes properly counted, as guaranteed by the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Second, the course of conduct would also appear to violate several provisions of Ohio law. No less than 4 provisions of the Ohio Revised Code make it a felony to tamper with or destroy election records or machines.1 Clearly, modifying election equipment in order to make sure that the hand count matches the machine count would appear to fall within these proscriptions.
Moreover, bringing in Triad officials into other Ohio Counties would also appear to violate Ohio Revised Code § 3505.32 which provides that during a period of official canvassing, all interaction with ballots must be "in the presence of all of the members of the board and any other persons who are entitled to witness the official canvass," given that last Friday, the Ohio Secretary of State has issued orders to the effect that election officials are to treat all election materials as if they were in a period of canvassing,2 and that "Teams of one Democrat and one Republican must be present with ballots at all times of processing."
Third, it is important to recognize that the companies implicated in the wrongdoing, Triad and its affiliates, are the leading suppliers of voting machines involving the counting of paper ballots and punch cards in the critical states of Ohio and Florida. Triad is controlled by the Rapp family, and its founder Tod A. Rapp has been a consistent contributor to Republican causes.4 A Triad affiliate, Psephos corporation, supplied the notorious butterfly ballot used in Palm Beach County, Florida, in the 2000 presidential election.
Sincerely,
John Conyers, Jr.
Enclosures
cc: The Honorable F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr.

Allez vooruit. 't is weer terug aan U.
Ga je nu echt AL deze mensen blijven beschuldigen van Anti-Amerikanisme?
Want da's echt het enige wat u doet.
Ofwel zijn het anti-Amerikanen, ofwel conspiratisten.
Ik heb geen probleem met je symphatie voor Bush, maar geef dan toch gewoon toe dat je supportert voor een gangsterbende die Amerika veranderd hebben in een dictatuur.
4!! van de tien amendementen - Amerika's trots - liggen aan diggelen, beste Antoon!! En ik weet niet of er nog zijn bijgekomen sinds de Patriot Act 2.
'k Heb de tijd nog niet gehad ze te bestuderen.

[exodus]

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Weet je het niet echt? Ik herinner mij nochtans een (zoveelste) prachtige complot-theorie van jou met betrekking tot geheime broederschappen waarbij zowel Clinton als Bush als zelfs Kerry deel uitmaakten, in feite reeds alle Presidenten sinds mensenheugenis. En dit zou dan hun teken van verwantschap moeten zijn, was het zo een verhaal niet? En die hadden reeds op voorhand gepland dat een van hun "broeders" ook deze keer President ging worden, en gelijk wie het was zou nog eens een aantal torens doen opblazen, eens ze in New York zijn herbouwd. Met de hulp van de CIA en van Halliburton, waarvan ook Osama Bin Laden aandeelhouder is, of een van zijn familieleden, of zoiets. Ben ik juist? Allee, ik zal in ieder geval niet ver zijn van jouw verhalen die ik op het forum heb gelezen...

Ik heb nooit iets in die aard gezegd. Je trekt alles uit zijn verband. Het feit is dat ze een duivelsteken maken. Mss is dit een gewoonte van uit zijn Skull en Bones periode. Het schijnt dat ze daar aan duivelsaanbidding doen.

[TomB]

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Blijkbaar zijn sommige zaken zo heilig dat ze als feilloos geacht worden en niet bekritiseerd moeten/mogen worden?

Blanket statement, ik zal er ook eentje maken: Blijkbaar zijn sommige zaken per definitie slecht en is alle kritiek gegrond omwille van die definitie.

[Meia noite]

@jozef ostyn:
"Gaat u nu beweren dat Fox de enige zender in de VS is?
Gaat u beweren dat er in de VS geen media zijn die zeer kritisch staan tegenover de huidige regering?"


Neen, fox is niet de enige zender in Amerika, maar wel de invloedrijkste en best bekeken zender. Maar ach, als u de reportage had gezien had u dat natuurlijk gehoord...

[Katun]

Mooi gezegd exodus.

Het moge duidelijk zijn dat deze absolute elite (Bilderbergers, Rockefellers , Bush Senior & Junior, George Washington, John Kerry, etc) geen GAIA aanhangers zijn.

Beperkte ledenlijst van de Skull&Bones Society : http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/3/skullroster.htm

Opdracht: zoek de Amerikaanse presidenten.





It's curious that the symbolry of the "skull and bones", with its connotations of death and destruction, appeared simultaneously on the uniforms of the Nazi SS and in the name of the Order's affiliate at Yale University from which George Bush, future head of the CIA and US President, emerged.

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[BartP]

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ik denk dat het ondertussen zo erg geworden is dat een groot deel van de amerikanen GEEN objectief neutraal nieuws meer wenst. Correctie : ze willen dat wel, maar zijn zo geïndoctrineerd na jaren (efficient) gebombardeerd te zijn met neocon propaganda dat het quasi onmogelijk wordt

als je ziet wat er zo al verteld wordt op Us fora over bijv Frankrijk als de volgende grote vijand van de US die overwonnen zou moeten worden....
als je echt neutraal nieuws brengt,moet je eerst al voldoende fondsen weten te vergaren. en vermits de meeste media in handen gekomen is van big corporations is dat al bijzonder moeilijk. als je er al in slaagt, staat men direkt klaar om je af te schilderen als een liberal (een scheldwoord blijkbaar) en leftist, communist, unpatriotic en traitor to the Usa who wants the terrorists to win or should move to Canada or those wimps in communist Europe.... voor ons amusant om te lezen en eens goed mee te lachen.
het probleem is echter dat een zeer aanzienlijk deel van de US populatie dit blijkbaar slikt als zoete koek en voor waarheid aanneemt.

Inderdaad in Amerika zijn er bijna evenveel mensen gebrainwashed zoals hier in Belgie. Ginder is het nogal absurd pro-Bush, en hier is het absurd anti-Bush. En de waarheid ligt er ergens tussen, ter hoogte van Bermuda of zo misschien.

[JoeQpublic]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Katun

It's curious that the symbolry of the "skull and bones", with its connotations of death and destruction, appeared simultaneously on the uniforms of the Nazi SS and in the name of the Order's affiliate at Yale University from which George Bush, future head of the CIA and US President, emerged.

goh, zo is het makkelijk om verbanden te vinden: ge verzint ze gewoon zelf.

Volgens dezelfde logica zijn er dan ook banden tussen piraten (jolly roger) en dat obscuur clubke.
Lang niet alle SS-ers droegen 'n skull&bones insigne ( http://www.feldgrau.com geeft degelijke info, zie cursieve tekst ) en niet alleen SS-ers droegen ze...

[font=Arial]Totenkopf: Death's head. The Totenkopf is a relatively old concept being the symbol or image of the skull and cross-bones. It was used originally as a unit symbol or on weapons and vehicles. During WWII the Totenkopf was used by the Panzer units of the Heer as an emblem although its most well known use was with the SS. The SS version of the Totenkopf was a distictive design different then the more traditional emblem used by the armor units. The SS version of the Totenkopf was also directly association with the Totenkopfverbande See also Totenkopfverbande below.

Totenkopfverbande: Death's Head Units. The organization formed as a sub-unit of the political SS early in the 1930's, initially to guard the concentration camps of the German Reich. Early in its career the Totenkopfverbande was formed as a seperate armed organization still under the control of the SS and similar to the Waffen-SS. The Totenkopfverbande would later go on to form the 3rd division of the Waffen-SS and various other small rear area security and occupation units.[/font]

de "Heer" waarvan sprake was natuurlijk het gewoon Duitse leger, niks politieke arm of bijzondere banden met NSDAP aan. Te gewoon om te vermelden neem ik aan of past de historische oorsprong niet bij de rest van het verhaalke?

Dat bepaalde Amerikaanse industriëlen net voor en misschien zelfs tijdens WO2 niet al te zeer keken van wie de dollars afkomstig waren, kan zeker kloppen, maar da's te weinig spectaculair voor samenzweringen zeker?

Geld en macht, jongens, da's het enige waarom het draait. Esoterische rommel is hoop en al zand in de oogskes...

[Pelgrim]

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Inderdaad in Amerika zijn er bijna evenveel mensen gebrainwashed zoals hier in Belgie. Ginder is het nogal absurd pro-Bush, en hier is het absurd anti-Bush. En de waarheid ligt er ergens tussen, ter hoogte van Bermuda of zo misschien.

Ik stel voor dat we een expeditie daarheen sturen. Dit moet opgelost worden!

[Jozef Ostyn]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Meia noite

@jozef ostyn:
"Gaat u nu beweren dat Fox de enige zender in de VS is?
Gaat u beweren dat er in de VS geen media zijn die zeer kritisch staan tegenover de huidige regering?"


Neen, fox is niet de enige zender in Amerika, maar wel de invloedrijkste en best bekeken zender. Maar ach, als u de reportage had gezien had u dat natuurlijk gehoord...

Als u de VS een beetje beter kende dan zou u dat niet zomaar aannemen.

[Katun]

Bedankt voor die bijkomende informatie JoeQpublic, ik ken helemaal niks van de SS, en er stond ook gewoon "It is curious", niet "there is an obvious link".

Smeer mij geen domme verhaaltjes en complottheorieën aan die ik zeker niet aanhang.

[democratsteve]

Vaak wordt hier geschermd met woorden als “conspiracytheorie” als het gaat om minder bekende of internetbronnen. En veel van die informatie is uiteraard incorrect, maar de vraag is;
Wie kan je uiteindelijk nog geloven????

by Violet Jones
"The first casualty when war comes is Truth"-- U.S. Senator Hiram Johnson, 1917
The Pentagon's use of the mainstream media to perpetuate lies and disinformation to influence not only the enemy we are engaging but the American people as a whole has been ongoing.
As recently as July of this year, we ran a flashback report on the Office of Strategic Information (OSI), of which The New York Times reported that the Defense Department had paid the Rendon Group, a Washington-based international consulting firm, $100,000 per month to help the OSI with a broad campaign that would include "black" propaganda, or disinformation.
The London Telegraph reported in February of 2004 that a "Pentagon source, who asked not to be named, said there were some European nations that "sometimes needed to be helped to see the light." The OSI would be used for such purposes.
From the glossy coverage of Bush's obvious media stunts to the staged rescue of Jessica Lynch, it's obvious we are all targets of the media-industrial complex's propaganda war.
PR Meets Psy-Ops in War on Terror
The use of misleading information as a military tool sparks debate in the Pentagon. Critics say the practice puts credibility at stake.

LA Times / Mark Mazzetti | December 1, 2004
WASHINGTON — On the evening of Oct. 14, a young Marine spokesman near Fallouja appeared on CNN and made a dramatic announcement.
"Troops crossed the line of departure," 1st Lt. Lyle Gilbert declared, using a common military expression signaling the start of a major campaign. "It's going to be a long night." CNN, which had been alerted to expect a major news development, reported that the long-awaited offensive to retake the Iraqi city of Fallouja had begun.
In fact, the Fallouja offensive would not kick off for another three weeks. Gilbert's carefully worded announcement was an elaborate psychological operation — or "psy-op" — intended to dupe insurgents in Fallouja and allow U.S. commanders to see how guerrillas would react if they believed U.S. troops were entering the city, according to several Pentagon officials.
In the hours after the initial report, CNN's Pentagon reporters were able to determine that the Fallouja operation had not, in fact, begun.
"As the story developed, we quickly made it clear to our viewers exactly what was going on in and around Fallouja," CNN spokesman Matthew Furman said.
'Although both [public affairs] and [military information operations] conduct planning, message development and media analysis, the efforts differ with respect to audience, scope and intent, and must remain separate.'
-- Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, in a letter to top military officials
In the hours after the initial report, CNN's Pentagon reporters were able to determine that the Fallouja operation had not, in fact, begun.
"As the story developed, we quickly made it clear to our viewers exactly what was going on in and around Fallouja," CNN spokesman Matthew Furman said.
Officials at the Pentagon and other U.S. national security agencies said the CNN incident was not an isolated feint — the type used throughout history by armies to deceive their enemies — but part of a broad effort underway within the Bush administration to use information to its advantage in the war on terrorism.
The Pentagon in 2002 was forced to shutter its controversial Office of Strategic Influence (OSI), which was opened shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, after reports that the office intended to plant false news stories in the international media. But officials say that much of OSI's mission — using information as a tool of war — has been assumed by other offices throughout the U.S. government.
Although most of the work remains classified, officials say that some of the ongoing efforts include having U.S. military spokesmen play a greater role in psychological operations in Iraq, as well as planting information with sources used by Arabic TV channels such as Al Jazeera to help influence the portrayal of the United States.