Heeft Assad de Libanees Hariri laten vermoorden?

[nadine]

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Ja, goed, ik zie het motief wel.

Maar alles wat van ver of dicht moslimfundamentalist is, heeft ook n motief. De 'totale krieg' met de amerikanen niet alleen in irak, maar ook in syrië en iran, lijkt me wel in die waanzin te passen.

Neen; in Libanon is er geen interesse voor een "totale krieg" vanwege de islamisten. Daar worden ze zo weggemaaid met de hesbollekes erbij: de Christenen en de Druzen zijn ze beu zoals ze de Syriers beu zijn. Alleen Syrie heeft er belang bij "controlled panic" te veroorzaken om er te blijven! Dat is het enige geopolitiek aspect bij deze aanslag! (IMHO)

[Joriske]

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Neen; in Libanon is er geen interesse voor een "totale krieg" vanwege de islamisten. Daar worden ze zo weggemaaid met de hesbollekes erbij: de Christenen en de Druzen zijn ze beu zoals ze de Syriers beu zijn. Alleen Syrie heeft er belang bij "controlled panic" te veroorzaken om er te blijven! Dat is het enige geopolitiek aspect bij deze aanslag! (IMHO)

Een beetje karrikaturaal. Hariri was een Soennitische moslim, en het merendeel van de Soennieten wil de Syriërs ook buiten. De Libanezen zijn gewoon ALLE buitenlandse inmenging beu.

[nadine]

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Een beetje karrikaturaal. Hariri was een Soennitische moslim, en het merendeel van de Soennieten wil de Syriërs ook buiten. De Libanezen zijn gewoon ALLE buitenlandse inmenging beu.

ook juist, maar wat zou er buiten het wat karikaturaal aspect volgens jou fout zijn in mijn analyse?

[Knipp]

Iedereen akkoord met deze analyse :
http://www.free-lebanon.com/LFPNews/...Jan2/jan2.html ?

oa : . Democracies will not work in the Middle East, only military regimes will survive. Make sure to support some pro-US regimes and not Islamic ones. The reality of what America is doing in Iraq is frightening as it relies on a Shiaa "Democracy," an oxymoron

Zal dit even in de Irak thread plakken ook.

[Knipp]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door nadine

ook juist, maar wat zou er buiten het wat karikaturaal aspect volgens jou fout zijn in mijn analyse?

Ik wil best aannemen dat de doorsnee islamiet in Libanon alleen maar rust vrede en onafhankelijkheid wilt, maar is 't niet zo dat de doorsnee moslimfundamentalist zo'n beetje overal zelfmoord pleegt ?

[nadine]

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Ik wil best aannemen dat de doorsnee islamiet in Libanon alleen maar rust vrede en onafhankelijkheid wilt, maar is 't niet zo dat de doorsnee moslimfundamentalist zo'n beetje overal zelfmoord pleegt ?

niet echt, want dan zouden er niet veel overblijven

[Joriske]

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ook juist, maar wat zou er buiten het wat karikaturaal aspect volgens jou fout zijn in mijn analyse?

Je impliceert dat de Christenen en Druzen anti-Syrisch zijn en de Islamieten pro-Syrisch. Dat is dus niet het geval. In beide kampen zitten vertegenwoordigers van alle religieuze minderheden.

[nadine]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Joriske

Je impliceert dat de Christenen en Druzen anti-Syrisch zijn en de Islamieten pro-Syrisch. Dat is dus niet het geval. In beide kampen zitten vertegenwoordigers van alle religieuze minderheden.

Capito, maar ik dar het over Hariri ging waren die natuurlijk ook impliciet bij.
remember: Hariri+Joumblatt+Aoun...
Groetjes

[Antoon]

Het is nagenoeg zeker dat Syrië achter de moord op Harriri is.

Een aantal voorbeelden van hoe Syrië in het verleden reeds huisgehouden heeft in Libanon is daar het beste bewijs voor.

(May 2002) Assassinating Anti Syrian-occupation Activists

[size=1]Ramzi Irani's decomposing body was found in the boot of his own car in a run-down area of hotels and bars in the west of the Beirut on May 20, 2002.[/size]

[size=3][size=1]Irani was kidnapped in broad daylight in the canter of Beirut 16:30 local time Tuesday the 7th of May 2002. Irani was a 36-year-old engineer but he was also the Lebanese University representative of the Student Committee of the L F.[/size] [/size]

[size=2](October 1990) Massacring Dany Chamoun and his Family[/size]

[size=1]The Lebanese Leader Dany Chamoun was brutally killed with his wife and two children (5 & 7) after the Syrian completely occupied the capital Beirut.[/size]




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[nadine]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon

Het is nagenoeg zeker dat Syrië achter de moord op Harriri is.

Een aantal voorbeelden van hoe Syrië in het verleden reeds huisgehouden heeft in Libanon is daar het beste bewijs voor.

(May 2002) Assassinating Anti Syrian-occupation Activists

[size=1]Ramzi Irani's decomposing body was found in the boot of his own car in a run-down area of hotels and bars in the west of the Beirut on May 20, 2002.[/size]

[size=3][size=1]Irani was kidnapped in broad daylight in the canter of Beirut 16:30 local time Tuesday the 7th of May 2002. Irani was a 36-year-old engineer but he was also the Lebanese University representative of the Student Committee of the L F.[/size] [/size]

[size=2](October 1990) Massacring Dany Chamoun and his Family[/size]

[size=1]The Lebanese Leader Dany Chamoun was brutally killed with his wife and two children (5 & 7) after the Syrian completely occupied the capital Beirut.[/size]




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Bedankt, was die uit het oog verloren.

[Knipp]

Kunnen we 'Syrië' wat verfijnen ?

De syrische geheime dienst ? de baath partij ?

Hoe moet ik me dat precies voorstellen ?

[nadine]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Knipp

Kunnen we 'Syrië' wat verfijnen ?

De syrische geheime dienst ? de baath partij ?

Hoe moet ik me dat precies voorstellen ?

Syrie hoeft niet verfijnd te worden. Herlees mijn allereerste post nog eens! Dat ws IMHO het bewijs dat de oogdokter van Damas het wel zal gezien hebben...

Hier wat er gebeurd ondertussen:

The Security Chronology of Events: After Hariri Assassination Beirut :

Massive presence of Lebanese Army troops all over Beirut. The Army is installing checkpoints, controlling cars, and preventing any breakout of trouble .

East Beirut : 30 to 40 Christian Lebanese Forces members were apprehended by the Syrian backed Security Forces and sent to the Lebanese Ministry of Defence for "interrogation" procedures . Is Syria trying to blame the murder on the Christian militia, or it is saber rattling to remind the Christian underground not to do anything?

Tripoli - Sidon: Thousands of Sunnis protesters took to the streets in the city of Tripoli and North Lebanon and thousands demonstrated in Southern Lebanon city of Sidon. They burned tires, shouted slogans against President Lahoud demanding his resignation and burned Syrian President Bashar al-Assad pictures in the streets . A Sunni crowd assaulted Syrian workers with sticks and stones in Sidon .The Sunnis blame Syria for Hariri's death.

Beirut : In Beirut, the Sunni controlled quarters are very tense, the situation was described as "explosive." Many Sunni and Druze groups of youth are considering attacking Government buildings as a gesture of defiance. The Baath Party offices in Beirut were attacked with stones and sticks .

Discussions were picked up in the Intelligence circles in Lebanon that there will soon br a Christian personality assassinated in Lebanon. Syria is trying to create a civil war before making any withdrawal. One Syrian official was quoted as saying the Lebanese Army is not capable of maintaining Law and Order in the country when the Syrian Army leaves. Christian and Druze political leadership are taking extra caution measures.

The "Amal" military wing, {Shiite formation} have opened a military training camp in the village of " Taraya" in the Bekaa Valley on the border with Syria and is " training" its members.

[nadine]

De begrafenis gezien door de syrische bril van de oogdokter in Damascus:
Hariri's funeral procession

Beirut, Feb 16 (SANA)

corpses of former Premier Rafik al-Hariri and the other six men who were accompanying him were laid to rest at Mohammad al-Amin mosque, downtown Beirut.

Funeral procession of Hariri began in Beirut on Wednesday within a mode of sadness and grief.

The wide-range public funeral procession started in Qoreitem to the capital’s streets.

Hundreds of thousands of people from all Lebanese cities and districts turned out for Hariri’s burial.

Arab and international delegations arrived in Beirut to offer condolences for al-Hariri’s family.

Lebanese security forces and army convoyed the procession to protect the participants.

Syrian Vice President Abdulhalim Khaddam took part at the funderal procession and offered condolences to Hariri's family

Batoul/ S.Y

Wat er echt gebeurde:

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Wednesday, February 16, 2005 Angry citizens storm Lebanon's streets By Mohammed Zaatari

Demonstrators took to the streets across Lebanon to protest against the assassination of former Premier Rafik Hariri.

The strongest condemnation of the killing came from Hariri's hometown of Sidon, where angry demonstrators blocked roads with barricades of burning tires sending billows of black smoke rising into the air.

Demonstrators chanted slogans against Syria and the pro-Damascus Lebanese government, including: "Bashar Assad, what do you want from us? Take your soldiers and leave," and "We will not fear speaking out. We don't want to see [President] Emile Lahoud."

Demonstrators also carried banners reading: "The leader of the Arab nation has fallen" and "They assassinated you because you were the hope of this country."

Venting their frustration and rage at the closest target, dozens of demonstrators attacked Syrian workers, lightly wounding five before police intervened.

Ali Sharif, an official from the Hariri Foundation, attempted to calm the crowd, asking the army to help put out the numerous fires and re-open the roads, but demonstrators only closed them again, throwing stones at Internal Security Forces personnel.

"They killed Hariri," said Khodr Abu Sultaniyya. "Syria has killed him," and added: "It has to leave Lebanon."

Amid anti-Syria slogans, Hajja Hassiba Sayyad said: "Our father died, the man who taught our children died. Why did they kill him?"

A group of youths with their hands and faces painted black shouted: "Syria, you have painted our days in black. Let [Premier Omar] Karami laugh and let Lahoud remain sitting on his chair, it is the biggest crime."

Meanwhile, swarms of mourners paid a visit to the Hariri family's southern residence to offer their condolences.

Mosques minarets blared readings from the Koran and churches rang their bells to mark the somber occasion.

Several groups of thousands of demonstrators uniformly dressed in black took to the streets in the early morning, converging on Nijmeh Square and continued on to Hariri's brother, Shafiq's, residence.

Further south, the Nabatieh area mourned Hariri's death by lowering all Lebanese flags to half mast.

The village's Christian and Muslim clerics joined other officials in labeling the assassination as being against the country's stability and security.

In measures aimed at maintaining the peace, the army was placed on high alert throughout the country, as troops took to major intersections and surrounded government buildings to protect against potential attacks by angry Hariri supporters.

In Beirut, all government departments were closed as well as banks, schools, universities, shops, cafes and cinemas. Some of the capital's streets, which are usually crammed with tourists and shoppers, were empty. The capital seemed a ghost town, with no sign of the usual bustling crowds and traffic.

It seemed that everyone was gathered throughout the day at the site, in the heart of Beirut's luxury hotel district to observe the damage and show solidarity for the slain billionaire and politician.

Late Tuesday, a large crowd gathered at the assassination site with hundreds of lit candles and silence to commemorate a beloved leader.

According to Nawaf Abu-Akl, a Druze sheikh from the Chouf watching workers at the scene: "It's a vile and cowardly act. This man has done so much for his country and this is why they killed him."

In the Bekaa, Baalbek bore witness to a massive demonstration staged outside the Serail. Demonstrators carried pictures of Hariri and raised black flags, condemning the assassination and calling for exposing the perpetrators.

The Islamic Center hall was open for mourners.

In Tripoli and other northern areas, black and Lebanese flags were raised alongside pictures of Hariri and countless banners.

Some 5,000 people responded to the call for demonstrations by Hariri's Future Movement, headed by Tripoli MPs Mohammed Safadi, Mosbah Ahdab and Mohammed Kabbara; Minyeh MP Ahmed Fatfat; and the representative of the Future Movement in the North, former Minister Samir Jisr.

After marching through the city, demonstrators gathered outside the Future Movement's offices, where officials were receiving condolences.

Demonstrators and mourners alike considered the former premier's assassination a "disaster" and a "national loss," and stressed the need to preserve national unity.

In Akkar, Hariri supporters expressed their grief by burning tires on the main roads in Abdeh, Bourj al-Arab and other areas. Black flags were also raised at the Abdeh Roundabout at the southern entrance of Akkar and on Hariri's Future Movement center in Halba.

In Bsharri, priests read a statement from the Maronite Patriarchate Secretariat, which urged the Lebanese to unify ranks and raise their awareness.

In addition, the Beddawi and Al-Bared Palestinian refugee camps declared a three-day general strike to condemn the assassination.

A Fatah-Intifada official in the North, Abu Yasser Bassem, said on behalf of Palestinian factions and popular committees in the area that the assassination "targeted Lebanon's unity, Arab identity and stability."

The Chouf also observed a general mourning with black ribbons and flags throughout the area.

The Progressive Socialist Party raised banners stressing its loyalty to Hariri reading: "We call for referring the criminals before the International Criminal Courts and refuse to put it in (Justice Minister Adnan) Addoum's drawer," as well as "We will not leave Lebanon in the hands of killers and criminals" and "The dawn of freedom is coming."

The Future Movement also raised banners in Iqlim al-Kharroub and began preparations for "Loyalty Day," to be held in Beirut on Wednesday. The movement said that it will provide transportation to the funeral in Beirut.

Additional reporting by Samer Wehbe, Maher Zeineddine and Nicolas Tohme

en hier
C’est dans l’enceinte de la mosquée Mohammed el-Amine, au voisinage du monument aux Martyrs de l’Indépendance, que reposera Rafic Hariri. La mosquée, toujours en construction ainsi que les espaces qui l’entourent, a été aménagée pour recevoir l’immense foule attendue pour les funérailles.
Conformément au désir des siens, les obsèques revêtiront un caractère populaire et non officiel. Toutes les personnalités officielles qui souhaitent participer aux obsèques le feront �* titre individuel.
Après s’être concertés, le chef de l’État, le général Émile Lahoud, et le Premier ministre, Omar Karamé, ont pris contact hier avec la famille du grand disparu et formulé leur souhait de voir une délégation officielle assister aux obsèques. Toutefois, la famille est restée sur ses positions et la demande a été refusée.
Le secrétaire d’État adjoint américain, William Burns, le président de la République tchèque, le chef du Foreign Office, Jack Straw, l’ancien président de Malaisie, Mahatir Mohammed, le ministre saoudien des AE, l’émir Saoud al-Fayçal, le représentant du secrétaire général de l’Onu, Lakhdar Brahimi, le secrétaire général de la Ligue arabe, Amr Moussa, le ministre bahreïni des Affaires étrangères, cheikh Rached ben Mohammed ben Khalifa, le commissaire aux relations extérieures de l’Union européenne, Javier Solana, et peut-être le président français Jacques Chirac assisteront notamment aux obsèques, selon une liste provisoire établie hier.

Het is duidelijk dat alle democrtische krachten zich verenigen tegen de Syrische bezetter en deze buiten willen. Een groot deel van de libanese bevolking is van syrische origine en zijn indertijd dat neonaziregime ontvlucht. Nu wordt het voor hen tijd dat die fascisten het aftrappen!

[nadine]

Om even de geloofwaardigheid van Syrie in deze moord te toetsen raad ik volgende lectuur aan:

- de officiele site van de oogmeester van Damascus:
Former US Ambassador Denies any Syrian involvement in Assassination

Washington, Feb. 16 (SANA)

Former US Ambassador to Syria Theodore Kattouf on Wednesday denied Syria had any relation into the assassination of former Lebanese Premier Rafik Hariri.

"I know Syria very well where I have lived for many years, during which I met Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and other senior officials… I would confirm that Syria doesn’t embrace any act that could harm Hariri," the Ambassador told a US TV Program in Washington.

He warned against serious dangers resulting from possibilities of escalating the situation in Lebanon where some political and social parties use media exaggerated formulas.

En wat Kattouf echt gezegd heeft:
THEODORE KATTOUF: You can hear almost any conspiracy theory you want in the Middle East. I for one would rule out Israel. I don't think the Israelis, they, their relations with the U.S. and such; this is not an act of Israel
maar "even verzwegen wordt, zoals
But I do think, I agree that Iran, I think Hezbollah, the pro Iranian militia group in south Lebanon and sometimes in the past had threatened Hariri.

The Syrian press had become more vocal about Hariri of late in a very negative fashion.

Meer over de libanese reacties op:
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article....ticle_id=12752