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[Heftruck]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pieke

graag wat ondersteunend materiaal.

Common sense, but since you ask..

If you ever needed proof that the media ignore or suppress stories that dont fit their anti-gun agenda, here it is...
M E D I A B I A S
by Marshall Lewin

[...]

How else could the national establishment media outlets -- right down to the last one -- have completely ignored a recently released FBI report that demolishes many of the anti-gun articles of faith that they've printed and parroted without question or conscience for years?

The 176-page report is titled "Violent Encounters: A Study of Felonious Assaults on America's Law Enforcement Officers."

Why? Maybe because, among other things, the FBI report shows that many of the media's banal bromides regarding guns and crime are false:

Criminals do not get their guns through gun shows.
Criminals do not find "loopholes" in the law through which they get their guns.
Anti-gun laws do not stop criminals from getting guns; in fact, they don't even appear to slow criminals down.

[...]

For the third and final research report, "Violent Encounters," the FBI analysts culled 40 incidents involving 43 offenders and 50 officers from
a pool of approximately 800 case submitted for consideration by agencies across the country.

In this study, however, researchers considered additional questions, including firearm use; marksmanship training and practice; the sources of criminals' firearms; the ages at which criminals began carrying firearms; when and how they carried; prior involvement in shootings; and so on.
The "Gun Show" Charade
You'd never know it to hear the so-called "mainstream" media tell the tale, but this new FBI report shows that what the media have been saying for years about gun shows, so-called "loopholes" and the sources of criminals' firearms has been false.

A few quotes from the report here are instructive:

"[T]he federal government has passed many laws to restrict and limit firearm purchases. The offenders in this research, however, stated that none of these laws or statutes deterred them."

"Of the 33 handguns used to assault the officers who participated in the current study, 32 (97 percent) were obtained illegally. Eighteen of these were purchased or traded from other [criminals]; six were obtained during burglaries; four were taken from the victim officers during the incidents of examination; two were stolen during larcenies; one was stolen during a homicide; and one was illegally purchased from a firearm dealer in a store (straw purchase by a female associate). "None of the rifles, shotguns or handguns connected with this study were obtained from gun shows or related activities."

Indeed, while anti-gun groups and the media wring their hands, complain about "lax laws" and claim that criminals obtain firearms by exploiting deficiencies in current law, the convicted criminals interviewed for this most recent study made it clear that:

a) At the time of the incident under investigation, they were already prohibited from purchasing firearms because of criminal convictions, illicit activity, underage status and other disqualifying factors; and
b) Those disqualifying conditions didn't make a bit of difference, since the criminals didn't, and wouldn't, attempt to obtain firearms through conventional sources.

Again, some passages from the most recent FBI report sum it up succinctly:

"Thirteen of the 43 offenders readily admitted membership in street gangs connected with drug trafficking. They stated that they freely exchanged firearms within the gang and viewed them as a necessary tool not only for their criminal activities, but also for protecting their territories. None of these particular gang members obtained their weapons legally. Generally, they obtained the firearms by illegal street purchase, trade, swapping on the street, or as the proceeds of theft, such as burglaries and larcenies. Four officers were assaulted with handguns taken from them."

One of the authors of the most recent study, Edward F. Davis of the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit, told the International Association of Chiefs of Police that not one of the criminals who attacked police officers was "hindered by any law-federal, state or local-that has ever been established to prevent gun ownership. They just laughed at gun laws."

Indeed, as one of the criminals interviewed for "Violent Encounters" explained:

"I never gave a [expletive] about the gun laws that are on the books ... I never went into a gun store or to a gun show or to a pawn shop or anyplace else where firearms are legally bought and sold and picked up a gun, ever. Because I'm a felon, I couldn't pass a background check ... That's just common sense, and I think most felons know that. I'm not going to pass a background check, and I'm not even going to try. Why? Because I can break into Joe Blow's house down the road here ... where it was relatively likely they were gonna have a piece and search the [expletive] from top to bottom until you found your gun."

When investigators asked this same offender how hard it would be to illegally buy a gun on the street, he replied:

"Sure, the black market, quote, unquote. You can get everything from a cheap little .22-caliber ... to a .50-caliber Desert Eagle that retails for twenty-two hundred bucks. You can find everything in between ... whatever you want to get ahold of."

Another offender told FBI investigators:

"No, we ain't going to no store to buy [guns]. I mean, you know, you got everybody out there doing their thing as far as being a criminal. You got guys out there that sell drugs. Guys out there that do burglaries and all that stuff. So, there is some gun sellers out there ... it's almost easy as being able to find drugs."
"Almost as easy as being able to find drugs."
Consider for a moment exactly what that means.

[...]

So even if firearms were one day outlawed completely -- as narcotics currently are -- criminals could still get them as easily as a dime bag.

[...]

Bron: NRA News

[Pieke]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Heftruck

Common sense, but since you ask..

een discussie met bronnen... thx.

Ik ga het eens op mijn gemak lezen. Nu, niet voor dit of dat, maar heb je ook een minder geladen bron dan de NRA?

[Libro]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Mitgard

het mag een wonder heten dat zoiets in een agressieve maatschappij als de verenigde staten niet veel vaker gebeurt.

Racist! Ik ga 't zeggen tegen meester Jozef sè.



(Jozef=Jef De Witte)

[Savatage]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pieke

Vooroordelen dus. Tsss

Net zoals 90% van de Amerika-haters.

[Heftruck]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pieke

een discussie met bronnen... thx.

Ik ga het eens op mijn gemak lezen. Nu, niet voor dit of dat, maar heb je ook een minder geladen bron dan de NRA?

Heb ik nog niet naar gezocht, ik vind wat zij zeggen gewoon logisch. Iets wat ik overigens ook al vond voor ik ook maar een ander er over gehoord had.

[Nierika]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Andromeda1968

....en een pak meer wapenvrijheid.

In Zwitserland ook. En toch hoor je daar zelden zoiets. Misschien toch omdat er véél minder mensen wonen.

Maar kom, 't zal wel weer aan de wapenwetgeving liggen.

[Nierika]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Daimanta

Lijkt me erg onwaarschijnlijk. Het aantal mensen dat overlijft door het gebruik van vuurwapens ligt er historisch hoog(in de buurt van Egypte geloof ik).

Ge moet ook eens kijken naar wat er daar allemaal binnenkomt é. Alles en iedereen op deze aardkloot die van een beter leven droomt, wil naar de VS (uitgezonderd C2C, die wil naar de oude Sovjetunie). De oude tijden van de Amerikaanse Droom liggen echter allang achter ons. Natuurlijk dat veel van die gelukszoekers dan in de criminaliteit belanden. En wat betreft zo'n gasten als diegene die in dat winkelcentrum rondloopt. Voor één Belgische HVT per jaar moeten zij er al 31 hebben vooraleer we kunnen stellen dat er daar procentueel gezien meer rondlopen.

[Nierika]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pieke

een discussie met bronnen... thx.

Ik ga het eens op mijn gemak lezen. Nu, niet voor dit of dat, maar heb je ook een minder geladen bron dan de NRA?

Zwitserland is op het gebied van wapenbezit nog toleranter. Nochtans hoor je daar maar weinig (of niet?) van massaslachtingen met vuurwapens. Ik denk eerder dat de prestatiedruk en de massale migrantenstroom van gelukszoekers waarvan velen falen of noodgedwongen in de criminaliteit verzeilen oorzaak zijn van het merendeel van de schietpartijen in de VS. Vrij wapenbezit doet daar weinig toe. Criminelen raken altijd aan wapens en mensen die in een opwelling doden zult ge heus ook niet tegenhouden met een strengere wapenwetgeving in de VS (zie HVT in België).

[born2bewild]

piet heeft zijn haat gezaaid en is met de noorderzon vertrokken, op naar een nieuwe hatred zending