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pibo® · 11 september 2007, 20:06

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Wat zit ge dan te klagen over geweld?

die twee paljaskes in 2004 , waren toen wel binnengedrongen op een PRIVE weide , en hebben er kinderen van een podium willen duwen , ze moesten nog wa meer klop gekregen hebben ......... , diene eene had wreed veel geluk dat de orde dienst er was tussengekomen , anders moest ie nimeer lopen maar mocht hij zwemmen !!!!

dominatrix · 11 september 2007, 20:06

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Juist. We zitten terug in het Duitsland van de jaren 30.

Hans heeft eigenlijk toch liever een paar jaar vroeger, toen er in Kongo nog vrij onderdrukt en gemoord mocht worden... Ligt beter bij zijn aard vertelde hij mij juist

StevenNr1 · 11 september 2007, 20:06

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Wa vertel jij hier nu allemaal leugenaar!!!Asielzoekers worden beter behandeld dan onze EIGEN daklozen !!
Ben jij niet verlegen zo iets te verkondigen?

Zijn er dan zoveel daklozen die graag in een gesloten instelling zouden zitten?
En daarnaast, als iemand met politiegeweld en een continu angst om gedeporteerd te worden te maken krijgt en de ander geen dak boven zijn hoofd heeft, zijn ze alletwee benadeeld, van 'betere behandeling' zou ik dan toch niet spreken, misschien zou u nog 'minder slecht' kunnen gebruiken alhoewel zelfs dat niet waar is.

Hans1 · 11 september 2007, 20:06

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bron? bewijs?
geen zoals gewoonlijk!

Ben je dat fotootje kwijt van Dewever in gezelschap van Le Pen?

gm10 · 11 september 2007, 20:07

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inderdaad u geeft het toe, toen was het een totalitair regime en dat wil men nu ook

wat een rare opmerking
je zou toch moeten weten dat de nazi's democratisch verkozen zijn

Hans1 · 11 september 2007, 20:07

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die twee paljaskes in 2004 , waren toen wel binnengedrongen op een PRIVE weide , en hebben er kinderen van een podium willen duwen , ze moesten nog wa meer klop gekregen hebben ......... , diene eene had wreed veel geluk dat de orde dienst er was tussengekomen , anders moest ie nimeer lopen maar mocht hij zwemmen !!!!

Ik ben blij dat uw ware aard naar boven komt.

dominatrix · 11 september 2007, 20:08

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Ben je dat fotootje kwijt van Dewever in gezelschap van Le Pen?

Er zijn bepaalde dingen die gij toch beter zou laten van nog op te eten hoor... echt niet goed voor U *knuffel*

Raf · 11 september 2007, 20:08

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Logisch voor wie zijn beweringen niet met bewijzen kan staven, hé?

Maar Knuppeltje toch... Je gaat me toch niet vertellen dat zelfs JIJ er niet in slaagt een exemplaar van het EVRM op te duikelen op het internet?

Allé vooruit dan, omdat je het zo lief vraagt:

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1. Een ieder heeft recht op vrijheid van meningsuiting. Dit recht omvat de vrijheid een mening te koesteren en de vrijheid om inlichtingen of denkbeelden te ontvangen of te verstrekken, zonder inmenging van enig openbaar gezag en ongeacht grenzen. Dit artikel belet Staten niet radio-omroep-, bioscoop- of televisieondernemingen te onderwerpen aan een systeem van vergunningen.

2. Daar de uitoefening van deze vrijheden plichten en verantwoordelijkheden met zich brengt, kan zij worden onderworpen aan bepaalde formaliteiten, voorwaarden, beperkingen of sancties, die bij de wet zijn voorzien en die in een democratische samenleving noodzakelijk zijn in het belang van de nationale veiligheid, territoriale integriteit of openbare veiligheid, het voorkomen van wanordelijkheden en strafbare feiten, de bescherming van de gezondheid of de goede zeden, de bescherming van de goede naam of de rechten van anderen, om de verspreiding van vertrouwelijke mededelingen te voorkomen of om het gezag en de onpartijdigheid van de rechterlijke macht te waarborgen.

Alsjeblieft.

Zonder dank.

Bob · 11 september 2007, 20:08

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"Islamieten buiten"??? Vervang dit door "Joden buiten" en we zitten in het Duitsland van de jaren '30. Gelukkig is de Belgische politie wél opgetreden.

...of door "Vb'ers buiten"

Herr Oberst · 11 september 2007, 20:09

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Les injures sont les raisons de ceux qui ont tort.

Kan u Nederlands spreken op dit forum? Ik weet dat u vandaag al 3x hebt bewezen dat het Nederlands een redelijk moeilijke taal voor u is, maar doe alstublieft een beetje moeite.

gm10 · 11 september 2007, 20:09

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Juist. We zitten terug in het Duitsland van de jaren 30.

onzin, VB'ers moeten helemaal niet buiten, ze moeten enkel de wet en andere religies tolereren

Hans1 · 11 september 2007, 20:09

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...of door "Vb'ers buiten"

Dat domme grapje had een voorganger hier reeds gemaakt.

Online · 11 september 2007, 20:10

Capital of the EUSSR

From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Tue, 2007-09-11 19:02

I just returned home from the anti-Islamization demonstration in Brussels. The Belgian police beat up the peaceful demonstrators in what even the Belgian public television call "an extremely violent fashion." Here are some video images. The grey-haired man whom we see being attacked by the police first is Luk Van Nieuwenhuysen, the Vice-President of the Flemish Parliament. Shortly afterwards we see the police maltreating Frank Vanhecke, a member of the European Parliament and the party leader of the Vlaams Belang. We see how he is handcuffed and pushed into a police bus. Afterwards we also see the police "taking care" of Filip Dewinter, the VB group leader in the Flemish Parliament. We see how his arm gets caught between the closing doors of the bus. An Italian MEP and a French MEP were also arrested. The demonstrators were kept in cells for seven hours and released this evening.

One of our readers who wants to stay anonymous sent us this personal impression of the SIOE demonstration:

A Day in Brussels, A Fifty Yard View
Around 10:45, driving around the Luxembourg and Berlaymont areas in Brussels it became obvious the demonstration was en route to become “a whole lot ado ‘bout nothin’ ”. It’s hard to say whether there were 12 or 15 dozen demonstrators near the Europarliament Buildings, come noon, how many there were at the Luxemburg plaza or in between, I can’t say, but what was abundantly clear, was that these particular Brussels areas were under siege.
However much the Belgian media portray the SIOE demo as an anti-islam ralley, I wanted to be there because I’ve started reading the Koran about three years ago. I challenge any or other rational opponent of the demonstration to do the same and not be concerned. I happened to be in Brussels, since it matters to me personally, apart from the fact that 9/11 left a profound impression, and to this day still does, that is...
I wanted to see for myself how the authorities would react. Seeing is believing. As soon as I saw the might of the police and recognised the efforts the authorities had taken throughout the neighbouring communes, it was pretty clear most of those unorganised individuals who would have wanted to attend simply decided to do a 180 and got the hell out of Dodge. Police outnumbered demonstrators by some 300% (guesswork).
Impressive it was, and although throughout the surrounding area police forces kept to themselves, acting as inconspicuous as pink elephants near the north-pole, the cordon policiaire that had been thrown in front of the demonstrators, (keeping to the stairs of the roundabout opposite the Berlaymont-building), the flashing policecars, the horses, the dogs, and the riot-police stood their ground; in the side-streets numerous riot-cars went to all lengths to be overtly and utterly visible. Police in combat gear stood within shouting distance.
No crowds in their tens of thousands, not all too many banners or cards, some flags here and there, and most of the time the demonstrators were hidden behind the press-camera’s clicking away at God knows what. They didn’t wear combat boots, they didn’t carry any sticks, there were no baseball-bats, they didn’t wear face-masks, and they didn’t rip open the pavement, no window-panes shattered, no refuse-cans were lit, the café was open and sold cofffee and sandwiches, business as usual. The demonstrators probably just voiced grievances, although I can’t tell since I didn’t hear any of it. They may not have shaven their heads, they didn’t wear orange, or off-white sarongs, they didn’t fold their hands in front of them, and they didn’t seek any of their heads to forcefully meet with truncheons, yet…
Yet yes, the demo had been banned, and yes there’s probably laws against unlawfull manifestations, and yes, all those in the midst probably knew what to expect, if push came to shove.
However, … For some or other reason police made a dash towards selected demonstrators and singled out those, who for all intents and purposes didn’t in any way seem ‘aggressive’ from my 50 yard away-off-to-the-side view. All those that were brutally manhandled suffered the hyper-adrenaline anger of some eager roughshot-riding police, and although they put up with the assault, they didn’t as such retaliate. Although they did not quite “resist” the person in authority, one was hard put to tell whether the struggles that ensued, were not caused by the ‘brute way’ in which they were thrown to the ground, or it jus may be they simply wanted to prevent their three-piece suits from being torn. And when they voiced their disagreement with the way they were manacled, they protested the fact that they were manhandled. Some protesters even involuntarily ran in to 2-foot truncheons, that happened to be in the way.
It needn’t have come to that. There was simply no momentum. This was unnecessary. An overreaction to an out of control fenomenon. If the police hadn’t acted as they have,… they would have come out tops. As is the case, and under orders, they’re the losers,… Brussels lost face. If one is treated the way these politicians today have been treated for peacefully protesting against a ban on being allowed to peacefully demonstrate, then there’s something wrong. Acutely and perversely wrong.

For, for example the United States as constitutional democracy, specifically allows for peaceful demonstrations to address social and/or political grievances and specifically allows the freedom of assembly to express these grievances. In the ‘New-Europe’ Capital it is now abundantly clear one has no such rights.
Standing to the side and keeping an ear to the comments numerous french and english onlookers voiced, I happened to overhear a conversation between a tanned, rather curly haired, charismatic young woman and her friends. Obviously foreign, probable Euro-civil servants.
(paraphrasing) “I might not agree to what they do and say, but this is no way to threat people, this is a disgrace”.

This about wraps it all up as far as bystanders go.

Just another day in Brussels,… one to remember.

The demo as such was but a ripple in a pond, strategically however it couldn’t have made a more significant point, mainly because of the way neutral bystanders next to me, reacted to the use of force only to become concerned, which is, above all,… no longer neutral or no longer unconcerned… at least.
I heard but one comment, but through the windows of the adjacent glass-sided buildings a European audience silently stood,… looking, looking.
A day in Brussels,… a fifty yard view

dominatrix · 11 september 2007, 20:11

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onzin, VB'ers moeten helemaal niet buiten, ze moeten enkel de wet en andere religies tolereren

Ik tolereer alles wat mij tolereert anders revolteer ik

Raf · 11 september 2007, 20:11

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Er zijn maar twee partijen in België, het VB en het regime, de nieuwe LDD even buiten beschouwing gelaten. Gelijk welke partij er al in de regering heeft gezeten, allemaal zetten ze hetzelfde rotbeleid voor. En telkens als het volk dat rotbeleid beu is stemt het een ruk naar rechts. Elke soap aflevering wenden meer mensen zich af van alle regimepartijen.

Het maakt niet eens uit hoe de regimepartijen noemen. Ze noemen -zichzelf- 'sociaal' en 'democratisch'. En dat is eigenlijk het enige 'bewijs' (lol) dat ze dat werkelijk zijn.
Je fraai opgesomde 1) 2) 'herhaald argument' is bijgevolg compleet waardeloos. Maar dat is niks nieuws, natuurlijk.

Is het mogelijk om nòg meer naast de kwestie te antwoorden? I don't think so...

Sta je nu al met je bek vol tanden?

Bob · 11 september 2007, 20:12

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Alsjeblieft.

Zonder dank.

...dus het evrm legt geen verplichtingen op die de vrijheid van meningsuiting niet absoluut maken. Het laat alleen toe aan de staten om de vrijheid van meningsuiting te beknotten.

Hans1 · 11 september 2007, 20:12

Ach, ach, ach. Ze hebben zelfs een Engelse tolk ingehuurd bij het VB.

pibo® · 11 september 2007, 20:12

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Ik ben blij dat uw ware aard naar boven komt.

inderdaad , de ordedienst op de ijzerwake heeft veel erger voorkomen en zo zen gezicht laten zien , iets wat je van de stoot troepen van neo socialist en vlaming hater thielemans niet kan zeggen !!!!!

Raf · 11 september 2007, 20:13

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En als de zoektocht naar argumenten vruchteloos blijkt dan rest Raf enkel nog op de man spelen in plaats van op de bal...

Tja, ik kan het ook niet helpen dat jij het EVRM als argument wil hanteren en tegelijkertijd duidelijk laat blijken dat je niet weet wat er in staat. Informeer je een beetje, zou ik zeggen... Dan sla je niet (zo vaak) een mal figuur.

dominatrix · 11 september 2007, 20:13

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Dat domme grapje had een voorganger hier reeds gemaakt.

... en jij snapt het nog steeds niet?

11 september 2007, 20:10	#633
Online Banneling Geregistreerd: 25 augustus 2006 Berichten: 8.192	Capital of the EUSSR From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Tue, 2007-09-11 19:02 I just returned home from the anti-Islamization demonstration in Brussels. The Belgian police beat up the peaceful demonstrators in what even the Belgian public television call "an extremely violent fashion." Here are some video images. The grey-haired man whom we see being attacked by the police first is Luk Van Nieuwenhuysen, the Vice-President of the Flemish Parliament. Shortly afterwards we see the police maltreating Frank Vanhecke, a member of the European Parliament and the party leader of the Vlaams Belang. We see how he is handcuffed and pushed into a police bus. Afterwards we also see the police "taking care" of Filip Dewinter, the VB group leader in the Flemish Parliament. We see how his arm gets caught between the closing doors of the bus. An Italian MEP and a French MEP were also arrested. The demonstrators were kept in cells for seven hours and released this evening. *One of our readers who wants to stay anonymous sent us this personal impression of the SIOE demonstration:* A Day in Brussels, A Fifty Yard View Around 10:45, driving around the Luxembourg and Berlaymont areas in Brussels it became obvious the demonstration was en route to become “a whole lot ado ‘bout nothin’ ”. It’s hard to say whether there were 12 or 15 dozen demonstrators near the Europarliament Buildings, come noon, how many there were at the Luxemburg plaza or in between, I can’t say, but what was abundantly clear, was that these particular Brussels areas were under siege. However much the Belgian media portray the SIOE demo as an anti-islam ralley, I wanted to be there because I’ve started reading the Koran about three years ago. I challenge any or other rational opponent of the demonstration to do the same and not be concerned. I happened to be in Brussels, since it matters to me personally, apart from the fact that 9/11 left a profound impression, and to this day still does, that is... I wanted to see for myself how the authorities would react. Seeing is believing. As soon as I saw the might of the police and recognised the efforts the authorities had taken throughout the neighbouring communes, it was pretty clear most of those unorganised individuals who would have wanted to attend simply decided to do a 180 and got the hell out of Dodge. Police outnumbered demonstrators by some 300% (guesswork). Impressive it was, and although throughout the surrounding area police forces kept to themselves, acting as inconspicuous as pink elephants near the north-pole, the cordon policiaire that had been thrown in front of the demonstrators, (keeping to the stairs of the roundabout opposite the Berlaymont-building), the flashing policecars, the horses, the dogs, and the riot-police stood their ground; in the side-streets numerous riot-cars went to all lengths to be overtly and utterly visible. Police in combat gear stood within shouting distance. No crowds in their tens of thousands, not all too many banners or cards, some flags here and there, and most of the time the demonstrators were hidden behind the press-camera’s clicking away at God knows what. They didn’t wear combat boots, they didn’t carry any sticks, there were no baseball-bats, they didn’t wear face-masks, and they didn’t rip open the pavement, no window-panes shattered, no refuse-cans were lit, the café was open and sold cofffee and sandwiches, business as usual. The demonstrators probably just voiced grievances, although I can’t tell since I didn’t hear any of it. They may not have shaven their heads, they didn’t wear orange, or off-white sarongs, they didn’t fold their hands in front of them, and they didn’t seek any of their heads to forcefully meet with truncheons, yet… Yet yes, the demo had been banned, and yes there’s probably laws against unlawfull manifestations, and yes, all those in the midst probably knew what to expect, if push came to shove. However, … For some or other reason police made a dash towards selected demonstrators and singled out those, who for all intents and purposes didn’t in any way seem ‘aggressive’ from my 50 yard away-off-to-the-side view. All those that were brutally manhandled suffered the hyper-adrenaline anger of some eager roughshot-riding police, and although they put up with the assault, they didn’t as such retaliate. Although they did not quite “resist” the person in authority, one was hard put to tell whether the struggles that ensued, were not caused by the ‘brute way’ in which they were thrown to the ground, or it jus may be they simply wanted to prevent their three-piece suits from being torn. And when they voiced their disagreement with the way they were manacled, they protested the fact that they were manhandled. Some protesters even involuntarily ran in to 2-foot truncheons, that happened to be in the way. It needn’t have come to that. There was simply no momentum. This was unnecessary. An overreaction to an out of control fenomenon. If the police hadn’t acted as they have,… they would have come out tops. As is the case, and under orders, they’re the losers,… Brussels lost face. If one is treated the way these politicians today have been treated for peacefully protesting against a ban on being allowed to peacefully demonstrate, then there’s something wrong. Acutely and perversely wrong. For, for example the United States as constitutional democracy, specifically allows for peaceful demonstrations to address social and/or political grievances and specifically allows the freedom of assembly to express these grievances. In the ‘New-Europe’ Capital it is now abundantly clear one has no such rights. Standing to the side and keeping an ear to the comments numerous french and english onlookers voiced, I happened to overhear a conversation between a tanned, rather curly haired, charismatic young woman and her friends. Obviously foreign, probable Euro-civil servants. (paraphrasing) “I might not agree to what they do and say, but this is no way to threat people, this is a disgrace”. This about wraps it all up as far as bystanders go. Just another day in Brussels,… one to remember. The demo as such was but a ripple in a pond, strategically however it couldn’t have made a more significant point, mainly because of the way neutral bystanders next to me, reacted to the use of force only to become concerned, which is, above all,… no longer neutral or no longer unconcerned… at least. I heard but one comment, but through the windows of the adjacent glass-sided buildings a European audience silently stood,… looking, looking. A day in Brussels,… a fifty yard view

11 september 2007, 20:12	#637
Hans1 Banneling Geregistreerd: 10 maart 2003 Locatie: BELGIE - BELGIQUE - BELGIEN - BELGIUM Berichten: 15.869	Ach, ach, ach. Ze hebben zelfs een Engelse tolk ingehuurd bij het VB.