De grote 9/11 topic

[Heftruck]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dr. Strangelove

Dat vind ik wel grappig, "mij in de discussie verdiepen". Alsof het feit dat op dit forum een "vreemdeling" ben, wil zeggen dat ik een groentje ben inzake internationale politiek.Ten eerste heb ik alle pagina's van dit topic eerst gelezen voor ik heb gereageerd. Ik heb de bewuste documentaires gezien, en tientallen andere. Ik heb honderden boeken gelezen over de VS en het midden-oosten en honderden websites bezocht. Ik wil hier eigenlijk niet de pedante kwast uithangen, maar als men zo denigrerend doet kan ik het toch niet laten om ook te vermelden dat ik licenciaat in de politieke wetenschappen ben, gespecialiseerd in het midden-oostenbeleid van de VS. Ik ben echter geen specialist inzake de verbrandingstemperatuur van metalen en dergelijke, en van beton weet ik ook heel weinig.

"In de discussie verdiepen" als in "zich in de discussie mengen".

Djeez, no offence ment, maar reageer je niet een beetje te heftig?

[Firestone]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door democratsteve

En we beginnen opnieuw.
Ondanks wederom herhaaldelijke pogingen van vriendelijkheid van mijnentwege, moet je weer de persoonlijke toer op.
Ik weet het wel, je gebruikt geen scheldworden, maar je beledigd (daagt uit) de poster, door te zeggen dat hij "cafepraat" vertelt.

Op een discussieforum moet je er tegen kunnen dat jouw meningen, beweringen, "argumenten" de grond worden ingeboord.
Jij ziet daarin "de persoonlijke toer opgaan". Daarmee benadruk je alléén een bekende eigenschap van believers: ze zijn emotioneel gehecht aan hun "argumenten".

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door democratsteve

Hieronder, in je antwoord aan exodus begin je met de uitlachsmiley.
En straks maar weer jammeren dat WIJ degenen zijn die U persoonlijk aanvallen. Ach ach ach.
Arme vriendin.
Zowat iedereen heeft u ondertussen door, hoor.
Want zie je, je herhaalt je spelletje te dikwijls.
Ik zie dat ondertussen Murray en Heftruck ook doorhebben (en ondervonden hebben welke "discussietechnieken" u erop nahoud.

Mijn discussietechniek is vragen naar bronnen als men "feiten" aanbrengt.
Wat blijkt keer op keer?
Jullie (ja, ja, jullie) "feiten" zijn al te vaak zo van die "feiten" die waar zijn omdat "iedereen het weet" of omdat "je dat ergens gehoord hebt maar de link ben je kwijt" en andere heel overtuigende bronnen!
Zo ging dat hier met het beton dat HELEMAAL tot stof werd herleidt, zo ging het met de elektriciteitspannes in de WTC, met de wijzijging van de procedures op 1/6/2001 (en hun impact), met de "Hebreeuwse klinkers in het zand", met de "winsten van Silverstein", om maar enkele heel recente voorbeelden te geven.

En omdat ik zo stout ben om naar bronnen te vragen die jullie niet kunnen of willen geven, schieten jullie en bloc op de stoute boodschapster (het "kreng" om één van jouw vriendelijke mede-believers te citeren).

Jullie doen maar, hoor. Het onderstreept enkel en alléén de inhoudelijke zwakte van jullie "argumenten".

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door democratsteve

Allez, hou u haaks.
Er breken nog "drukke tijden" voor u aan.

Misschien, maar dan toch niet door de zwakke "argumenten" en betwistbare "feiten" die jij en anderen hier aanbrengen.

Het kan uiteraard nog verkeren, zei je weet wel wie, maar voorlopig zie ik daar niets van, integendeel. Het Zembla-programma was weer eens een koude douche voor believers! Nog goed dat die expert op basis van een filmpje van 10 seconden en zonder iets over de schade te weten kon besluiten dat WTC 7 CD was!
Zo hebben jullie toch nog een strohalmpje.

En nu wacht ik geduldig op bewijzen en degelijke bronnen.

[blabylonia]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Firestone

Op een discussieforum moet je er tegen kunnen dat jouw meningen, beweringen, "argumenten"[*] de grond worden ingeboord.

Tzal wel zijn..
Er bestaan tientallen verschillende manieren om dat te doen; dat weet
u ook.

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Firestone

Jij ziet daarin "de persoonlijke toer opgaan". Daarmee benadruk je alléén een bekende eigenschap[*] van believers: ze zijn emotioneel gehecht aan hun "argumenten".

Dat is er[*] zo eentje zeker?

[Firestone]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door blabylonia

Dat is er[*] zo eentje zeker?

Neen.

Het ware echter leuker mocht jij bijvoorbeeld degelijke bronnen geven voor de aangebrachte "feiten". Wie weet overtuig je me wel.

[exodus]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hertog van Gelre

Je kunt je inderdaad afvragen wat er met WTC7 is gebeurd maar dat vergt een diepere studie. Ik hou het er nog steeds op dat er een goede verklaring voor moet zijn en dat het geen CD is. Er zijn ook geen bewijzen voor CD. Nog steeds niet. Alleen de indruk van een CD. Hoe zit het met de klappen van het neerkomen van twee wolkenkrabbers? Hebben die de fundering aangetast? Hoe erg was de benedenverdieping beschadigd? etc.

Geen bewijzen voor controlled demoltion van WTC7 ?

Neem het paper van Steven Jones eens door:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

[Firestone]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Geen bewijzen voor controlled demoltion van WTC7 ?

Neem het paper van Steven Jones eens door:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

En lees daarna rustig eens dit.

De paper van Jones is waardeloos. Geen wonder dat de professor hem niet in een peer-reviewed tijdschrift kon plaatsen.

[puud]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Geen bewijzen voor controlled demoltion van WTC7 ?

Neem het paper van Steven Jones eens door:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Link werkt niet
Had het graag eens vergeleken met de visie van Blanchard

[exodus]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door puud

Link werkt niet
Had het graag eens vergeleken met de visie van Blanchard

Tiens, inderdaad.

Normaal zou hij moeten werken, dit is namelijk de eerste bron van het paper, met de laatste versie, het is de site van Jones zelf.

[puud]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Tiens, inderdaad.

Normaal zou hij moeten werken, dit is namelijk de eerste bron van het paper, met de laatste versie, het is de site van Jones zelf.

Plaats de link eens in kladblok en copy/paste hem terug hier.

[exodus]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door puud

Plaats de link eens in kladblok en copy/paste hem terug hier.

Het ligt aan hun, je kan nu ook al niet meeer op de homepagina van Steven Jones.

[parcifal]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Het ligt aan hun, je kan nu ook al niet meeer op de homepagina van Steven Jones.

Misschien heeft Steven Jones eindelijk het licht gezien? Of gewoon opgegeven?

[Kaal]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door blabylonia

Battalion Seven ...Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets
of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines.
Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Jaja, maar toevallig ben ik gisteren op een site gevallen die al die tapes netjes had georganiseerd compleet met tranbscript en al. Als je die allemaal las, in de chronologische volgorde, dan begrijp je dat die mannen zeggen dat ze die twee kleine brandhaarden gaan blussen voordat zij nog hoger gaan, maar het volop aan het branden was. Ik kan die site helaas niet meer terugvinden, maar ik heb wel een adres waar je al de tapes kan vinden :

http://cms.firehouse.com/content/sec...p?sectionId=41

Indien het geen inferno was dan vraag ik mij af waarom er zo'on 200 mensen van de hogere verdiepingen zijn gesprongen?

The city also plans to play the remainder of the call from Melissa Doi, a victim who was trapped in the 83rd floor of the south tower. Doi spent more than 20 minutes on the phone with a 911 operator before she died. Although the remainder of the call will contain only the operator’s side of the conversation, excerpts of Doi’s side of the conversation were played for jurors in April during the trial of 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui. "I'm going to die, aren't I?" Doi asked the dispatcher. "Please God, it's so hot. I'm burning up."

Bron voor dat laatste : http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/8-16-2006-105630.asp

[Lex Blanca]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Kaal

Als je die allemaal las, in de chronologische volgorde, dan begrijp je dat die mannen zeggen dat ze die twee kleine brandhaarden gaan blussen voordat zij nog hoger gaan,

Idd.Geïsoleerde brandhaarden.Niet de hele verdiepingen stonden in brand.
(de tapes wijzen idd wel uit dat ze niet duidden op de hele brand-die ze zouden kunnen blussen)

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Kaal

Indien het geen inferno was dan vraag ik mij af waarom er zo'on 200 mensen van de hogere verdiepingen zijn gesprongen?

Op sommige plaatsen brandde het.Om te springen heb je niet per sé een zeer hoge temperatuur nodig...ademnood door rook kunnen volstaan om te springen.
Op bijgevoegde foto is bvb. te zien dat het op zijn zachts gezegd te betwijfelen valt of er een "inferno" plaatsvond.

[Pindar]

The Big Lie Is Crumbling All Over The World


'Five years after they pulled it off, hardly anyone in the world believes the ridiculous story about 19 hijackers with box-cutters and hundred-story buildings magically collapsing into their footsteps. They miscalculated big time.

When they took the towers down, they never anticipated that this many people would question their version of reality and work so hard to demonstrate, unequivocally, that they lied. But, we did. And to those who think that the truth was buried at ground zero, think again. It's only a matter of time. Just as the towers collapsed into their footprints, so will the lie.'

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/...98/detail.html


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[Pindar]

Theory that U.S. orchestrated 9/11 attacks is 'not absurd', says Chavez

'The Venezuelan leader, an outspoken critic of U.S. President George W. Bush, was reacting to a television report investigating a theory that the Twin Towers were brought down with explosives after hijacked airplanes crashed into them in 2001. "The hypothesis is not absurd . . . that those towers could have been dynamited," Chavez said in a speech to supporters. "A building never collapses like that, unless it's with an implosion."

"The hypothesis that is gaining strength . . . is that it was the same U.S. imperial power that planned and carried out this terrible terrorist attack or act against its own people and against citizens of all over the world," Chavez said. "Why? To justify the aggressions that immediately were unleashed on Afghanistan, on Iraq."'

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/Wa...830169-ap.html

And so on and so forth

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[Kaal]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Lex Blanca

Op sommige plaatsen brandde het.Om te springen heb je niet per sé een zeer hoge temperatuur nodig...ademnood door rook kunnen volstaan om te springen.

Wij zullen nooit weten waarom die mensen sprongen. Veel mensen hebben echter gesprekken gehad met de hulpdiensten voordat zij door het instorten van de torens de dood zouden ingaan. Enkel wat de operatoren van de hulpdiensten zeggen werd vrijgegeven, maar we beschikken over één volledig gesprek :

"The floor is completely engulfed. We're on the floor, and we can't breathe, and it's very, very, very hot," Doi says in a frantic voice. "I'm going to die, I know it. Please, God, no. It's so hot, I'm burning up," she says, sobbing.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...11-calls_x.htm

[Lex Blanca]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Kaal

Wij zullen nooit weten waarom die mensen sprongen. Veel mensen hebben echter gesprekken gehad met de hulpdiensten voordat zij door het instorten van de torens de dood zouden ingaan. Enkel wat de operatoren van de hulpdiensten zeggen werd vrijgegeven, maar we beschikken over één volledig gesprek :



http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...11-calls_x.htm

Ja,dat "hot",hoeveel graden zou dat zijn?
Er hoeft geen inferno aan de gang te zijn (anders zou ze niet meer bellen en praten...),als het pakweg 60 graden is panikeert een mens allicht al dermate dat men in combinatie met ademnood (en eventueel gelimiteerd zicht door de rook) zou springen mijns inziens.

[parcifal]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Lex Blanca

Ja,dat "hot",hoeveel graden zou dat zijn?
Er hoeft geen inferno aan de gang te zijn (anders zou ze niet meer bellen en praten...),als het pakweg 60 graden is panikeert een mens allicht al dermate dat men in combinatie met ademnood (en eventueel gelimiteerd zicht door de rook) zou springen mijns inziens.

Interessante foto's :

http://www.debunking911.com/fire2.htm

[Lex Blanca]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door parcifal

Interessante foto's :

http://www.debunking911.com/fire2.htm

Jep,daar gaan de mensen niet bellen en telefoneren.

[Pindar]

Olbermann to Bush at Ground Zero: ‘May This Country Forgive You’


Posted on Sep 11, 2006

From MSNBC
In perhaps his most powerful monologue ever, MSNBC host Keith Olbermann savagely harangued Bush for using 9/11 as a wedge to pit Americans against Americans. “Who has left this hole in the ground? We have not forgotten, Mr. President. You have. May this country forgive you.”

Comments (total: 13)

Comment #23068 by Samuel on 9/12 at 11:20 pm

Of course 911 is an inside job. Unfortunately most Americans are too thick to comprehend it and most importantly, do anything about it. Wake up America.

Comment #23063 by Michael J. Hagerty on 9/12 at 10:57 pm

When is Mr. Olbermann going to get real honest and tell the American people that the Chimp and his gang of thugs were complicit in the 9/11 attacks? According to recent polls about 40% of Americans already know. For those who still believe the “Official Fairy Tale”,spoon fed us by the controlled media, who, may I ask, planted the cutter charges in the Twin Towers and WTC7 that brought those buildings down? Osama and his bad boys?

Comment #23061 by Harsaru on 9/12 at 10:41 pm

I agree with ‘Reluctant sceptic’.
There are hundred other more important issues that POTUS has let America down on.
Iraq
Katrina
Afghanistan
Osama bin Laden
the investigation into 9/11
etc etc
But on the other hand it was a magnificent speech and after all it was the fifth anniversary of 9/11

I admire the courage of Keith Olbermann- he spoke truth to Power - and if the rest of the media followed suit....... then there might be some hope for America and the rest of the world

Comment #23038 by Rob on 9/12 at 8:41 pm

Obviously Keith’s commentary was amongst the most important words I have heard on TV in years. What is amusing are the couple of mouth-breathers who really thought the commentary was about the fact that there is no 9/11 memorial yet. Have they never heard of the concept of metaphor? Remarkable.

Comment #23037 by AC on 9/12 at 8:36 pm

As a Canadian, I have watched from the sidelines for many years now and it has never ceased to amaze me just how much the American people have had to endure with this President. Your great grand children will be paying for it, I’m sure. From these sidelines I have felt deep sorrow and frustration over 9/11, as well as his personal war with Iraq. But nothing, and I mean nothing could amaze me more than the morning I woke up to find you all voted him in for a second term.

What were you thinking?

Comment #23017 by Reluctant Skeptic on 9/12 at 5:56 pm

Nobody despises Bush more than I, but really — is it Bush’s fault that there isn’t a monument at ground zero yet? Of course not! That’s due to years of bickering among the many interested parties about what exactly should be put there.

And even if it WERE Bush’s fault that there isn’t a monument at ground zero yet, so what? That, among all the reasons to despise Bush, would surely be the very least.

I’m sorry, Keith, but I think the speech is kind of weird, pompous, and beside the point.

And on this (relative) hill of beans you erect your most scathing denuciation of Bush yet? If you’re going to damn Bush to hell about something, how about denouncing his aiding and abetting of Israel’s recent, grotesque orgy of destruction in Lebanon — a matter that’s more timely and about a million times more important?

Comment #23012 by todd on 9/12 at 4:34 pm

What a joke. I’m actually laughing...Bush left that hole in the ground?! All I can put this down to is the polarization that 2000/2004 caused. It’s becoming insane. And I thought the “right” were wackos when they tried to skewer Clinton on baseless grounds. Oberman sure comes off crazy on this one.

Comment #23006 by Lisa on 9/12 at 3:38 pm
Wow!

Comment #22991 by guy falgout on 9/12 at 1:46 pm

Thanks, Keith, for another spellbinding summary on the politicising of 911. I am true fan of yours, and please keep up the tremendous work. You are, by far, the “BEST” newscaster on television. Thanks again.

GUY.

Comment #22990 by Manny on 9/12 at 1:44 pm

Mr. Keith Olberman is the Edward R. Murrow of our generation !

Comment #22986 by Don Knutsen on 9/12 at 1:02 pm

Finally , it seems as though atleast a few correspondents have reached a point of saturation where the constant barrage of lies will no longer work for the criminals in this administration. If we can only remove enough republicans to make the much needed real investigations into this administration’s dealings start up, not headed by some republican stooge, then perhaps there is some glimmer of light to be seen. I encourage everyone who can to influence as many as possible between now and the upcoming mid term elections to vote republicans out of office. They, with a very few small exceptions have been goose-stepping behind this lunacy all along and deserve no less then their walking papers for ignoring the citizens of this country, our constitution, our future - all to help these few greedy criminals continue dragging our country down..Its high time we all remember what being a patriot is all about...its not about towing any party line. Its about making sure, as best we all can, that out elected leaders do whats best for us all ( not only themselves & their fellow millionaires )...VOTE OUT THE REPUBLICANS, LET THE TAR & FEATHERING BEGIN.

Comment #22977 by Patricia on 9/12 at 12:11 pm

YOU ARE 100% RIGHT ON KEITH!! Bush lies.....THOUSANDS have died. Keep up the good work Keith....the rest of the media has just rolled over like a good dog while Bush, Cheney & Rove pat their belly.

I want to hear ALL media attack Bush. Bush should be impeached.

Comment #22972 by paul kibble on 9/12 at 11:57 am

Keith Olberman’s magnificently brave and justly merciless skewering of Monkeyboy’s betrayal of the legacy and promise of 9/11 deserves to take its place alongside Edward R. Murrow’s phillipics against Joe McCarthy.

It’s amazing that some variant of Gresham’s law hasn’t knocked him off MSNBC’s line-up in favor of more Bush-friendly boneheads like Joe Scarborough and Tucker Carlson. Against all odds, he’s survived and recently his ratings have even shown a marked uptick, a small but reassuring sign that ball-scratching yahoos like Hannity and O’Reilly haven’t completely monopolized the cable-news audience.

Now watch our fundie fascists briefly crawl out from under their Bibles and start splattering cyberspace with the ususal Rovean squawking points about how any dissent against the demented policies of this administration somehow equals treason. That would, of course, include the roughly 60-70% of the electorate who now believe tha the Iraq war is a “mistake.” Traitors! Commies---ooops, make that “appeasers.” Sorry, guys, get a new playbook: the with-us-or-with-them bullshit just ain’t working anymore.

You’d think these zombified loyalists would want to take a break from planting their well-chapped lips on Dubya’s ass every time everyone’s fave AWOL chickenhawk stutters “9/11,” but no, obedience to Dee Massah, like the War on Terror, is a never-ending task.

Too bad for these blindly faithful that karma has started to double back and bite them on the keister. Those falling poll numbers! Those rising Iraq casualties (even though the insurgency is in its “last throes")! That select Senate Committee report disproving any link bewteen Saddam and Osama! Doesn’t reality just suck sometimes? In Trent Reznor’s lovely phrase, “Bow down before the ones you serve/ You’re gonna get what you deserve.”

As for these immune-to-reason homegrown authoritarians, well, to put it as diplomatically as possible, fuck them---or rather have Bush and his crew fuck them (again),since they clearly get such a bang (as it were) out of being repeatedly gang-raped by these criminal psychopaths.

(Crude as it is, the foregoing Anglo-Saxon verb is particularly appropriate for one blogger who regularly posts here and insists on calling Bush his “Daddy,” meaning, I guess, “Daddy” in the pimpin’/homoerotic rather than the strictly paternal/biological sense. OOOOO, so strong and so dangerous! As a longtime supporter of gay rights, may I suggest that you please bust out of that closet and start working out your sexual-identity crisis with your therapist, girlfriend?)

Since our notoriously reality-challenged right-wing friends can be counted on to miss the point here and thus won’t bother to link onto the full text of Olberman’s speech, in the interests of providing a “teachable moment,” I’ll reproduce the key passages below. Bon apetit, morons!:

“The polite phrase for how so many of us were duped into supporting a war, on the false premise that it had ’something to do’ with 9/11, is ‘lying by implication.’”

“The impolite phrase, is ‘impeachable offense.’”

“Not once in now five years has this President ever offered to assume responsibility for the failures that led to this empty space… and to this, the current, curdled, version of our beloved country.”

“Still, there is a last snapping flame from a final candle of respect and fairness: even his most virulent critics have never suggested he alone bears the full brunt of the blame for 9/11.”

“Half the time, in fact, this President has been so gently treated, that he has seemed not even to be the man most responsible — for anything — in his own administration.”

“Yet what is happening this very night?”

“A mini-series, created, influenced — possibly financed by — the most radical and cold of domestic political Machiavellis, continues to be televised into our homes.”

“The documented truths of the last fifteen years are replaced by bald-faced lies; the talking points of the current regime parroted; the whole sorry story blurred, by spin, to make the party out of office seem vacillating and impotent, and the party in office, seem like the only option.”

“How dare you, Mr. President, after taking cynical advantage of the unanimity and love, and transmuting it into fraudulent war and needless death… after monstrously transforming it into fear and suspicion and turning that fear into the campaign slogan of three elections… how dare you or those around you… ever ‘spin’ 9/11.”
—
“Just as the terrorists have succeeded — are still succeeding — as long as there is no memorial and no construction here at Ground Zero…”

“So too have they succeeded, and are still succeeding — as long as this government uses 9/11 as a wedge to pit Americans against Americans.”

“This is an odd point to cite a television program, especially one from March of 1960. But as Disney’s continuing sell-out of the truth (and this country) suggests, even television programs can be powerful things.”

“And long ago, a series called ‘The Twilight Zone’ broadcast a riveting episode entitled ‘The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street.’”

“In brief: a meteor sparks rumors of an invasion by extra-terrestrials disguised as humans. The electricity goes out. A neighbor pleads for calm.”

“Suddenly his car — and only his car — starts. Someone suggests he must be the alien. Then another man’s lights go on.”

“As charges and suspicion and panic overtake the street, guns are inevitably produced.”

“An ‘alien’ is shot — but he turns out to be just another neighbor, returning from going for help.”

“The camera pulls back to a near-by hill, where two extra-terrestrials areseen, manipulating a small device that can jam electricity. The veteran tells his novice that there’s no need to actually attack, that you just turn off a few of the human machines and then, ‘they pick the most dangerous enemy they can find, and it’s themselves.’”

“And then, in perhaps his finest piece of writing, Rod Serling sums it up with words of remarkable prescience, given where we find ourselves tonight.”

“‘The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices - to be found only in the minds of men.’”
—
“When those who dissent are told time and time again — as we will be, if not tonight by the President, then tomorrow by his portable public chorus — that he is preserving our freedom, but that if we use any of it, we are somehow un-American…”

“When we are scolded, that if we merely question, we have “forgotten the lessons of 9/11"… look into this empty space behind me and the bi-partisanship upon which this administration also did not build, and tell me:”

“Who has left this hole in the ground?”

“We have not forgotten, Mr. President.”

“You have.”

“May this country forgive you.”

As charges and suspicion and panic overtake the street, guns are inevitably produced.
An “alien” is shot — but he turns out to be just another neighbor, returning from going for help.
The camera pulls back to a near-by hill, where two extra-terrestrials areseen, manipulating a small device that can jam electricity. The veteran tells his novice that there’s no need to actually attack, that you just turn off a few of the human machines and then, “they pick the most dangerous enemy they can find, and it’s themselves.”
And then, in perhaps his finest piece of writing, Rod Serling sums it up with words of remarkable prescience, given where we find ourselves tonight.
“The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices - to be found only in the minds of men.
“For the record, prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own — for the children, and the children yet unborn.”
—
When those who dissent are told time and time again — as we will be, if not tonight by the President, then tomorrow by his portable public chorus — that he is preserving our freedom, but that if we use any of it, we are somehow un-American…
When we are scolded, that if we merely question, we have “forgotten the lessons of 9/11"… look into this empty space behind me and the bi-partisanship upon which this administration also did not build, and tell me:
Who has left this hole in the ground?
We have not forgotten, Mr. President.
You have.
May this country forgive you.

Comment #22969 by Audrey Morrtensen on 9/12 at 11:38 am

Thank you, Mr. Olbermann, for speaking the TRUTH about the debacle the president has created in this country! Everyone needs to stand up and say: “ENOUGH!” to this hand-picked frat boy who knew nothing about foreign policy but who now has the power to mess up this whole world! Foreign policy, domestic policy, energy policy.....whatever can go wrong is going wrong because the American people have succumbed to the “climate of fear” created by the neocons and their frat boy. When are we going to grow up and stand up with a vision of what this world could be like if the president and Congress would respect all the citizens of the world and try to
find a way in which all nations can live in this world together? Shame, shame on all the scaredy-cats and their lies! Americans deserve better!

Comment #22967 by Jennifer on 9/12 at 11:27 am

Thanks Keith for saying in front of America what I feel!

Comment #22965 by felicity on 9/12 at 10:32 am

If you think Mr. Olbermann should be congratulated for his commentary, tell him so by email. I did.

Comment #22952 by ib on 9/12 at 9:08 am

I proudly pay my cable bill just to listen to the Daily Show, Stephen Colbert and now Keith Olbermann.

This is the most powerful and moving tribute to the events of September 11, 2001 I have yet to hear or see.

Thank you Mr. Olbermann for given us a voice

Comment #22918 by TH on 9/12 at 2:31 am

Just awesome and inspiring, America needs more like you Keith.

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