Christenvarkens folteren Irakezen

[Pascal L.]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door TomB

Ik ben zelf migrant in de VS. Ik werk hard, en verdien zo mijn brood. Ik heb dat enkel en alleen aan mezelf te danken. Er is geen haar op mijn hoofd dat eraan denkt om de Amerikaanse cultuur daarvoor te danken. Verder is het idioot dat sommigen dat zouden verwachten.

Waar zit gij? Ik woon in NYC

[PollyCorrect]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pascal L.

Waar zit gij? Ik woon in NYC

Gij hebt geluk, gij. Ik zou daar ook gaarne zitten. Toevallig dicht bij Washington Heights?

[Pascal L.]

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Gij hebt geluk, gij. Ik zou daar ook gaarne zitten. Toevallig dicht bij Washington Heights?

Washington Heights is niet te ver, ik zit in Manhattan

[PollyCorrect]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pascal L.

Washington Heights is niet te ver, ik zit in Manhattan

Ja Washington Heights is in Manhattan. Doe ze de groeten van me, yes?

[Pascal L.]

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Ja Washington Heights is in Manhattan. Doe ze de groeten van me, yes?

zal ze de groeten doen ... washington heights is in the boroughs of manhattan denk ik ... in elk geval, niet ver ...

[PollyCorrect]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pascal L.

zal ze de groeten doen ... washington heights is in the boroughs of manhattan denk ik ... in elk geval, niet ver ...

Is uptown, dichtbij Bronx dacht ik. Helaas ben ik in de Bronx nooit geweest.

[Michroscoop]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Kitten

Whatever the case... Zulke titels vind ik nooit gepast.

Vlaams Blok kiezers mogen toch ook in het publiek als mestkevers besempeld worden?

[filosoof]

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[filosoof]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Michroscoop

Vlaams Blok kiezers mogen toch ook in het publiek als mestkevers besempeld worden?

Niet de kiezers, de leiders...

[filosoof]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jan van den Berghe

De titel is te gek om los te lopen: heel veel van die soldaten zijn helemaal geen christen, en als ze dat dan al zijn, gaat het eerder om naamchristenen dan belijdende en praktiserende gelovigen.

Jan,
Amerikanen geen christenen? Dan zag je Busch nooit met zijn bijbel zwaaien, zeker?
Je zal enkel in Vaticaanstad een zo groot % zich "christenen" noemende mensen vinden als in de US: d�*�*r zitten de kerken nog vol op zondag!
Naamchristenen? Nieuw begrip, dat écht handig van pas komt in discussies als deze, nietwaar? Ga jij aan Amerikanen vertellen dat ze "maar naamchristenen" zijn, maar wees toch voorzichtig dan (ze mochten je eens voor een Irakees nemen)

[filosoof]

[TomB]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pascal L.

Waar zit gij? Ik woon in NYC

Ik zit in Sarasota, Florida.

Ik kom regelmatig eens in Teterboro. Als dat op een vrijdag is, blijf ik meestal in Manhattan om toneel te gaan kijken en daarna in Chelsea de rest van de nacht door te brengen.

[pope]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Mustapha

In het kader van de FREEDOM Irak- aanval hoort het systematisch folteren van de onschuldig gevangen genomen Irakezen allicht tot het pakket.

Of zoals een trotse Irakees zelf zegt
Als de Amerikanen zijn gekomen om Irakezen te folteren, dat ze maar zo snel mogelijk Saddam terug aan de macht brengen. Ik word liever gefolterd door een eigen bloedbroeder dan door iemand die ons vrijheid en mensenrechten komt dicteren maar het als eeste schendt.

De bezettingsmacht komt meer en meer in het diskrediet. Irakezen hun bloed begint meer en meer te koken van woede.
Nog eventjes en ik voorspel een massale volksopstand in heel Irak.

Ik weet dat er meerdere topics al zijn gestart.
De reden waarom ik dit start, is vooral om de titel van de topic.
En ook om het feit dat een levend wezen folteren en vernederen erger is dan een lijk bewerken.

Mustafa, niets let u om met de eerste container richting Irak mee te reizen en daar orde op zaken te stellen. Vergeet uw westers fototoestel niet om de folteringen DOOR Irakezen op beeld vast te leggen.

[pope]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door pope

Mustafa, niets let u om met de eerste container richting Irak mee te reizen en daar orde op zaken te stellen. Vergeet uw westers fototoestel niet om de folteringen DOOR Irakezen op beeld vast te leggen.

Wat bij deze dus niet meer nodig is, aangezien die klootzakken hun perverse slachtingen zelf beginnen te filmen en verspreiden. Slachtingen die elke verbeelding tarten.

Maar blijf er maar blind voor, links ziekelijk pseudo pacifistje.

[illwill]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door filosoof

Jan,
Amerikanen geen christenen? Dan zag je Busch nooit met zijn bijbel zwaaien, zeker?
Je zal enkel in Vaticaanstad een zo groot % zich "christenen" noemende mensen vinden als in de US: d�*�*r zitten de kerken nog vol op zondag!
Naamchristenen? Nieuw begrip, dat écht handig van pas komt in discussies als deze, nietwaar? Ga jij aan Amerikanen vertellen dat ze "maar naamchristenen" zijn, maar wees toch voorzichtig dan (ze mochten je eens voor een Irakees nemen)

Leer nu eens lezen ego filo of leer eens niet de woorden van anderen te verdraaien ok. Heeft hij gezegt alle amerikanen? Heb jij misschien de reportage gezien op dat amerikaans vliegdekschip? Awel men volgde een amerikaanse soldaat, en rara het was een moslim. Niet alle amerikanen en dus vele soldaten zijn niet christen ok. Akkoord?

[filosoof]

Er is idd een zéér kleine, niet representatieve hoeveelheid moslims in de US, zoals er zélfs atheïsten zijn..
Ik schreef:

Je zal enkel in Vaticaanstad een zo groot % zich "christenen" noemende mensen vinden als in de US: d�*�*r zitten de kerken nog vol op zondag!

een zo groot % zich "christenen" noemende mensen

is toch duidelijk niet hetzelfde als

"alle Amerikanen"

OK? Niet alle Irakezen ook zijn moslims: Tereq Azziz, minister van Saddam niet bvb...

[filosoof]

Ondertussen, in Afghanistan:
U.S. Faces Prisoner Abuse Complaint in Afghanistan
Wed May 12, 2004 06:41 AM ET

By Mike Collett-White
KABUL (Reuters) - The U.S. military, facing a backlash across the Arab world for its treatment of Iraqi prisoners, announced on Wednesday it had launched an investigation into a complaint of detainee abuse in Afghanistan.

The U.S. embassy in Kabul said an Afghan police officer, reportedly held by U.S.-led forces in the city of Gardez and the U.S. base at Bagram in 2003, said he had been stripped naked, photographed, kicked and subjected to "sexual taunting."

The allegation will be of major concern to the 20,000-strong U.S.-led force in Afghanistan hunting al Qaeda and Taliban militants waging an insurgency against the government.

Until now the force has not faced the same level of resistance U.S. troops have in Iraq since toppling the Taliban regime late in 2001.

"Yesterday afternoon, coalition leaders were notified of an allegation of detainee abuse," U.S. military spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Tucker Mansager told a news briefing, apparently referring to the police officer's complaint.

"Upon notification, coalition forces immediately launched an investigation into this matter. The investigation continues."

Graphic photographs of U.S. soldiers abusing naked Iraqi prisoners have been shown across the globe, incensing the Arab world and damaging U.S. credibility.

The U.S. military is under pressure to allow the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission access to suspected Islamic militants held at detention centers including at its main Afghan base at Bagram, just north of Kabul.

Mansager said the issue of wider access was being considered, but added: "The coalition believes that the International Committee of the Red Cross rightfully and properly represents the interests of persons placed under control in a proper manner.

"As they have in the past, they will continue to have access to our Bagram facility that they visit on a regular basis."

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It is not known how many prisoners are held at Bagram or who they are. An investigation into the deaths of two prisoners while in U.S. detention in December, 2002, has yet to be completed.

In a report late last year, Amnesty International criticized the United States for its failure to make public any details of the investigation, saying it showed a "chilling disregard for human life."

Explaining the delay, Mansager said: "The people involved back in December, 2002, have returned in many cases to the United States, rotated outside of Afghanistan, have in some cases even returned to civilian life out of the military.

"It takes some time to be able to find those people, get to them, ask the questions that need to be asked and then draw the conclusion."

The Afghan rights body has received complaints from more than two dozen detainees released from U.S. custody about their treatment. Mansager said changes had already been made to U.S. methods at its Afghan prisons as a result of complaints.

"We've had various allegations of alleged assault and deprivation of sleep," he said.

"We have had some complaints about living conditions. Investigations have been made into those allegations and adjustments have been made based on those allegations."

He acknowledged that the outcry over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners had increased pressure on the military to act swiftly in Afghanistan.

"Certainly there is a lot more focus on the issue at this point in time due to what's come to light in Iraq. But we will continue to investigate, as we always have, very thoroughly and very seriously any of these allegations."

When asked why prisoners had been stripped naked while in U.S. custody, he replied: "Part of it is to ensure that the person under confinement doesn't have something illegal, explosive or dangerous with them."



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[filosoof]

Ondertussen, in Syrië:
US imposes economic sanctions on Syria
By Salamander Davoudi in Washington (FT)
Published: May 12 2004 5:00 | Last Updated: May 12 2004 5:00

The US government imposed sanctions on Syria on Tuesday for failing to deter terrorist activities within its borders or halt the flow of insurgents and weapons into Iraq.

But the sanctions were weaker than expected, with the Bush administration stopping short of an expected ban on investment in Syria. US oil investments there are estimated to be worth $600m (£338m).

"US oil companies will be relieved as the sanctions are milder than expected," a Washington oil analyst said.

The decision had been delayed several months, underlining US concern that it might exacerbate regional tensions. But it was finally taken after pressure from Congress in recent weeks.

Under the Syria Accountability Act, a ban will be placed on US exports to Syria, excluding items including aircraft parts, telecommunications equipment, some software and technology, food, medicine and information materials.

Restrictions will be placed on banking relations with the Syrian national bank, CBS.

The US Treasury designated it as a financial institution of "primary money laundering concern" and proposed that US financial institutions be prohibited from holding accounts there.

The Treasury also criticised Damascus for not transfering proceeds generated from the illicit sale of Iraqi oil to the development fund for Iraq as required by the United Nations.

The department has been authorised to freeze the assets of Syrian nationals or entities suspected of involvement in terrorism.

Syria has said that the sanctions will harm US interests and has urged dialogue.

The sanctions also ban the already limited number of flights to and from the US.

[filosoof]

Ondertussen, in Washington:

Bush visits Pentagon to boost military morale
By James Harding and Demetri Sevastopulo in Washington (FT)
Published: May 10 2004 20:30 | Last Updated: May 10 2004 20:30

President George W. Bush went to the Pentagon on Monday to issue a morale-boosting message to the US military, amid signs that some senior members of the armed forces are despairing of the mission in Iraq.

Flanked by Dick Cheney, vice-president, and Colin Powell, secretary of state, Mr Bush thanked his embattled secretary of defence, Donald Rumsfeld, for "a superb job".

The extraordinary meeting of Mr Bush and his chief advisers on national security offered the president another opportunity to condemn "the cruel and disgraceful abuse of Iraqi detainees".

But Mr Bush focused his remarks on the specifics of US military engagement on the ground in Iraq, making an unprecedented show of his personal involvement in the operational details of the US endeavour in the Gulf.

Mr Bush, who generally restricts his comments to America's overall ambition to bring freedom to Iraq, gave a read-out of the situation in different sectors of the city of Falluja, an update on Marine patrols in Ramadi, Husaybah and Kharma and an account of US military deployments intended to overthrow insurgents in Najaf.

"Our military, from this building to the streets of Fallujah, is performing with exceptional skill and courage," Mr Bush said, after his meeting in Mr Rumsfeld's Pentagon office.

Mr Rumsfeld has long had a strained relationship with many senior members of the uniformed military. Some have been affronted by his overbearing style, others are opposed to some of his plans for transformational change within the armed forces. There has been gathering resentment by many commanders and soldiers at what they see as his under-staffing of the US operation in Iraq in order to make an ideological point about the effectiveness of a lean, technology-driven military.

In the face of a rising count of US war dead in Iraq both retired generals and senior army officers speaking on condition of anonymity have begun to share their fears that the US has no strategy for success in Iraq.

But the murmurs of discontent have reached a new pitch in recent days. The Army Times, widely read by the military, on Monday suggested Mr Bush consider replacing Mr Rumsfeld and the most senior uniformed US military commanders.

The reservists pictured humiliating Iraqis have been dubbed the "six morons who lost the war" by Pentagon staffers, reports Army Times, but "the folks in the Pentagon are talking about the wrong morons."

"This was not just a failure of leadership at the local command level," said The Army Times, which is distributed on US army bases and inside the corridors of the Pentagon. "This was a failure that ran straight to the top. Accountability here is essential - even if that means relieving top leaders from duty in a time of war."

The newspaper said Mr Rumsfeld and General Richard Myers, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, had failed to recognise the impact the torture scandal would have around the world. It said that on the battlefield, their errors would have been called a lack of situational awareness - "a failure that amounts to professional negligence".
No television cameras or tape recorders will be allowed in the courtroom at next week's court-martial of a US soldier charged in the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal, according to Associated Press. Specialist Jeremy Sivits of Hyndman, Pennsylvania, a member of the Army's 372nd Military Police Company, will face a military court in Baghdad on May 19 - less than a month after photos of prisoners being abused and humiliated were first broadcast on April 28. The trial is expected to last just one or two days, including the sentencing phase, said a US military legal adviser.

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[Mitgard]

[size=6]'gelukkig ben ik geen krijgsgevangene van mijn eigen volk.
liever dit dan dat ze mij levend de kop afsnijden!'[/size]