De andere kant - Israel - Gaza - Pagina 4

Cdude · 3 juni 2010, 13:29

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1 - I don't believe Mr Israel is who he claims to be.
2 - I don't believe his intentions are those he claims
3 - This topic is a THIRD topic about the Gaza situ

Only possible conclusion : DUBBELPOST
Ik zal de mods dan ook vragen deze thread te sluiten.

Tamam · 3 juni 2010, 13:29

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Israëlisch

One more thing about the open press in Israel, According to what you say Israel is not an open press country, so then you must think that our neighboring countries are totally democracies because there you never read about corruption or problems, make me want to live in Saudi Arabia

Pure and free country....

so because another country is acting horrible, Israel can do it as well.

yup.

Cdude · 3 juni 2010, 13:31

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door liberalist_NL

I don't see the difference. It's a simple mathematical calculation. 1+1.

Wait a minute. If it's simple and u don't see it

QED

liberalist_NL · 3 juni 2010, 13:33

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Wait a minute. If it's simple and u don't see it

QED

Als u er maar schik mee hebt, ben ik blij.

Israëlisch · 3 juni 2010, 13:33

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Shalom Israelisch !

You're not going to find a whole lot of sympathy on this forum, which is engulfed in an abundance of anti-Israeli posters... Add to that the Belgian media is entirely biased against Israel, and that most everyone considers it politically correct to be in Hamas' corner. Most of them have NEVER been to Israel...

Good luck with trying to have a normal discussion about the subject and Israel's right to defend itself... You are a brave man

HaMa'eiven Yavin

Hi Dajjal!

Thanks for the kind words, I will still try on, I believe it is important. and the fact that many people read it and support like you are is enough for me.
Cheers.

PS
Can I ask what does it say in your signature? I see it is in Arabic?

TheHunter · 3 juni 2010, 13:35

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Israëlisch

Look all I am trying is to open your mind, When you say "blockade is Illegal" what do you mean? Illegal to whom? From my side we are in a state of war with Gaza and we have to do every thing in order to protect our selves, Wouldn't you do the same?
And regarding the illegal part a sea blockade is a legitimate part of war.

If you describe it like that then you shouldn't condemn the missiles coming from Gaza and neither should you when someone blows himself up in Israel. They're at war with you, no?

You see in both cases innocent people are dying... if you are willing to justify that because you're in a war then you should justify Palestinian's acts of retaliation as well.

Cdude · 3 juni 2010, 13:35

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dajjal

Shalom Israelisch !

You're not going to find a whole lot of sympathy on this forum, which is engulfed in an abundance of anti-Israeli posters... Add to that the Belgian media is entirely biased against Israel, and that most everyone considers it politically correct to be in Hamas' corner. Most of them have NEVER been to Israel...

Good luck with trying to have a normal discussion about the subject and Israel's right to defend itself... You are a brave man

HaMa'eiven Yavin

So , U have been in a boat before that was attacked by armed men?
No? And yet u have an "opinion about that?

Strange how some rules are being selectively applied

Israëlisch · 3 juni 2010, 13:36

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so because another country is acting horrible, Israel can do it as well.

yup.

Hi Tamam

You are right! It does not, I was just trying to put things in proportions.
But bottom line Israel is no Belgium, We can not be super liberal and super free we always have to watch out back and have our guns ready, that it till we will have full peace.

The point is that under the circumstances that we are in I think that overall we do a good job!

RodeLantaarn · 3 juni 2010, 13:38

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door liberalist_NL

I don't the difference. It's a simple mathematical calculation. 1+1.

I know you don't. That's why I am stating that you lack intellectual capacity.

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When I watch television, all I see is anti-Israeli broadcastings. They even let anti-Semites like Gretta Duijsenberg on, while not a single Israel supporter has been on television for ages (unless you consider Geert Wilders an Israel supporter)!

Let's drop the idea that the brainwashing media are on my side. They are on your side.

You continue to prove my statements. Only seeing what is obvious, not the biased reporting, focussing on irrelevant details, images and facts taken out of context. It's just like I said, you are a truly selective reader.

TheHunter · 3 juni 2010, 13:38

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The point is that under the circumstances that we are in I think that overall we do a good job!

You mean: we are killing them while very few of us are getting hurt?

SDX · 3 juni 2010, 13:40

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Hi SDX

Thanks for the kind words. I understand there is a lot of antagonize toward Israel in the world, And this is the reason I am here, I find it important to show other sides and not to live the stage to only one side.
I do not take Cdud to my hart

, I have talked with worse ppl then him about the subject, I am just happy to be here and to see that there are ppl that do understand us.
And also to explain ppl the situation we are in because a lot of them are just not aware.

I must say also I though even before that this is a bad Idea to storm a ship like this, I wish there was an other way also, it was an obvious trap with all the cameras and the reporter.
The funny thing is that it had noting to do with Aid to Gaza it had all to do with gaining media attention and to demonize Israel.

I am so sorry for the dead people but I believe that our soldiers acted as they should have in these circumstances.

It indeed was an obvious trap and the soldiers were - as I could make out from the vids I saw - overwhelmed, they did not expect this kind of reaction from a 'flotilla' with so called 'peace activists'!

Shalom.

Cdude · 3 juni 2010, 13:40

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Hi Tamam

You are right! It does not, I was just trying to put things in proportions.
But bottom line Israel is no Belgium, We can not be super liberal and super free we always have to watch out back and have our guns ready, that it till we will have full peace.

The point is that under the circumstances that we are in I think that overall we do a good job!

Yeeeeeeeees, a VERY good job.
So we noticed a few days ago AND in Gaza during the last invasion.
Only 500 children slaughtered.

Never heard of balance of power? Maybe u should give them some of your arsenal. The cold war stayed cold because both sides could annihilate each other

Cdude · 3 juni 2010, 13:41

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It indeed was an obvious trap and the soldiers were - as I could make out from the vids I saw - overwhelmed, they did not expect this kind of reaction from a 'flotilla' with so called 'peace activists'!

It was so "obvious" the OH SO WELL TRAINED IDF fell for it?

Israëlisch · 3 juni 2010, 13:45

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If you describe it like that then you shouldn't condemn the missiles coming from Gaza and neither should you when someone blows himself up in Israel. They're at war with you, no?

You see in both cases innocent people are dying... if you are willing to justify that because you're in a war then you should justify Palestinian's acts of retaliation as well.

Shoot at my soldiers! not at my kids!

Now you are going to say that Israel is also shooting at kids?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN9WzUc7iB0

I have explained it in a earlier post, we do not shoot civilians!
I am not saying mistakes do not happands, but there is a huge difference between shooting on cities populated by civilians and the army is not there and to shoot on terrorists hiding in schools and behind children and women.
While we are targeting the terrorists the Hamas targets our civilian population.

Israëlisch · 3 juni 2010, 13:46

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Yeeeeeeeees, a VERY good job.
So we noticed a few days ago AND in Gaza during the last invasion.
Only 500 children slaughtered.

Never heard of balance of power? Maybe u should give them some of your arsenal. The cold war stayed cold because both sides could annihilate each other

So all I need to do is to let them kill more israelis in order for you to be on my side???

Eigenzinnig · 3 juni 2010, 13:48

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Collective punishment:
The entire 1.5 million people who live in the crowded Gaza Strip are being punished for the actions of a few militants.

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Targeting civilians:
The airstrikes were aimed at civilian areas in one of the most crowded stretches of land in the world, certainly the most densely populated area of the Middle East.

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Disproportionate military response:
The airstrikes have not only destroyed every police and security office of Gaza's elected government, but have killed and injured hundreds of civilians; at least one strike reportedly hit groups of students attempting to find transportation home from the university.
Special UN investigator Richard Falk

Israel behandeld 1,3 miljoen mensen als Hamas terroristen, met oorlogsmisdaden en talloze schendingen van mensenrechten als gevolg....

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http://www.nrc.nl/buitenland/article..._diplomaat_uit

Schending van internationale verdragen..vervalsen van paspoorten van erkende landen

Israëlisch · 3 juni 2010, 13:50

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It indeed was an obvious trap and the soldiers were - as I could make out from the vids I saw - overwhelmed, they did not expect this kind of reaction from a 'flotilla' with so called 'peace activists'!

Shalom.

ppl forget that the flotilla was 6 ships, all seized in the same way.
So how come on the other ships we did not "slaughter" all the ppl?

Cdud - All I ask from you is to think, Don't just buy all the propaganda there is there, Just watch the vids and decide for your self, Were peace activist lynch like this ppl who come to stop them?

Israëlisch · 3 juni 2010, 13:53

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Israel behandeld 1,3 miljoen mensen als Hamas terroristen, met oorlogsmisdaden en talloze schendingen van mensenrechten als gevolg....

Hi Eigenzinnig

And what would you have done if it was your city attacked by rockets on a daily bases for years?

No country in the world has the problem Israel face, but yet every one are judging us?

I find it funny, don't you?

Cdude · 3 juni 2010, 13:53

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UK Prime Minister David Cameron and the international Quartet's Middle East envoy, former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, also called for the blockade to be lifted.

"What [Israel] should be doing is allow material in to rebuild homes and sanitation and power and water systems, and allow business to flourish," Mr Blair told Reuters news agency in an interview in Bethlehem.

Francientje · 3 juni 2010, 13:53

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Israel behandeld 1,3 miljoen mensen als Hamas terroristen, met oorlogsmisdaden en talloze schendingen van mensenrechten als gevolg....

Is dat zo? Maar Hamas met alles erop en eraan werd toch democratisch
verkozen door die 1,3 miljoen mensen, niet?
Met andere woorden: Hamas is hun vertegenwoordiger en doet dus wat zij
willen dat het doet.