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Oud 9 september 2005, 14:11   #61
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Het staat u vrij om zo een bank op te richten. Veel succes ermee!
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Om maar niet te spreken van de eurodollars, die ontsnappen aan de controle van
de centrale Am. bank, en waarin géén reserves moeten aangehouden worden.

Al mijn beste vrienden waren bankiers. Goede tennissers, maar ik moet er niet aan denken ze ook professioneel te emuleren.
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Waar heb jij het in hemelsnaam over?
De bank gaat echt geen leningen uitschrijven die ze niet heeft. Die kunnen niet zomaar digitaal geld creeeren uit het niets. Dat heeft een naam: valsmunterij.


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Dat doen ze dus wel! Wij hebben de fout gemaakt onze
macht en vertrouwen aan de banken te geven.


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Volgens wat ik lees mogen ze 10x meer geld uitlenen dan ze hebben.En innen ze ook interest op die 90% onbestaand geld.
Ik weet niet zoveel over dit soort zaken,maar klopt dit?Os dat zo voor bepaalde banken?Voor alle banken?Of is dit gewoon onzin?
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Volgens wat ik lees mogen ze 10x meer geld uitlenen dan ze hebben.En innen ze ook interest op die 90% onbestaand geld.
Ik weet niet zoveel over dit soort zaken,maar klopt dit?Os dat zo voor bepaalde banken?Voor alle banken?Of is dit gewoon onzin?
Lex, ik ken daar eerlijk gezegd ook niet bijster veel van.

Maar ik denk dat "mogen ze 10x meer geld uitlenen dan ze hebben" op het volgende slaat.

Stel een bank heeft voor 100 miljoen deposito's.
Dan mag ze 90 miljoen weer uitlenen en blijft ze met 10 miljoen in kassa.

Als de depositohouders ineens allen hun geld willen dan lukt het niet.
Maar de bank leent dus geen geld uit dat niet bestaat.

(De waarden die ik geef zijn uiteraard gewoon voorbeelden.)

Misschien kan een forumdeelnemer met wat meer kennis over de werking van banken daar meer over vertellen?
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Oud 9 september 2005, 19:15   #64
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Lex, ik ken daar eerlijk gezegd ook niet bijster veel van.

Maar ik denk dat "mogen ze 10x meer geld uitlenen dan ze hebben" op het volgende slaat.

Stel een bank heeft voor 100 miljoen deposito's.
Dan mag ze 90 miljoen weer uitlenen en blijft ze met 10 miljoen in kassa.

Als de depositohouders ineens allen hun geld willen dan lukt het niet.
Maar de bank leent dus geen geld uit dat niet bestaat.

(De waarden die ik geef zijn uiteraard gewoon voorbeelden.)

Misschien kan een forumdeelnemer met wat meer kennis over de werking van banken daar meer over vertellen?
Ja,ik vroeg me af of ze 90 of 900 miljoen mogen uitlenen.
Valt vast wel op te zoeken.Velen die meer kennis hebben hieromtrent dan de forumbezoekers zullen dat wel ergens uit de doeken gedaan hebben.
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ahum...

wat denk je dan van deze ...
( kan iedereen dus dan kan een bank het zeker )

je kán ( ik zeg wel kan ) winst boeken met het 'verkopen' resp. 'inkopen' van aandelen zonder er 1 stuk van de bezitten gedurende : dus 0,0€ onderliggende geldwaarde

dit doe je aan de hand van opties, die welliswaar ook een prijs hebben maar slechts een fractie zijn van de onderliggende tegenwaarde
met zo'n optie kan je jezelf het 'recht' kopen om stukken tijdens een bepaalde periode te kopen/verkopen
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Ja,ik vroeg me af of ze 90 of 900 miljoen (extra op hun 100 miljoen) mogen uitlenen.
Valt vast wel op te zoeken.Velen die meer kennis hebben hieromtrent dan de forumbezoekers zullen dat wel ergens uit de doeken gedaan hebben.

Plan:
Step 1. The Federal Open Market Committee approves the purchase of U.S. Bonds.

Step 2. Bonds are purchased by Fed.

Step 3. Pays for the bonds with (nowadays electronic) credits to the seller's bank, these credits are based on nothing.

Step 4. The banks use these deposits as reserves. They can loan out over ten times the amount of their reserves to new borrowers, all at interest.

So $1,000,000 into bonds can get turned into $10,000,000 in bank accounts. The FED creates 10% and the banks create the other 90%. To reduce the money, the FED can sell bonds to be public and the money flows out of the purchaser's bank. So $1,000,000 sales of bonds results into $10,000,000 less money in the economy.

Resultaat:
  1. [size=3]Misdirected banking reform [/size]
  2. [size=3]Prevented Greenbacks from making a comeback [/size]
  3. [size=3]Delegated to the bankers the right to create 90% of the money supply. [/size]
  4. [size=3]Centralized overall control of the nation's money supply in the hands of a few men.[/size]
  5. [size=3]Established a Central Bank with a high degree of independence from effective political control.[/size]
In order to remain behind the scenes, the plan called for the FED to be run by a board of governors appointed by the president. All they needed to do was to make sure that their people got on the board. [edit]
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[size=1]After edit by Lex Blanca on 09-09-2005 at 21:45
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Ja,ik vroeg me af of ze 90 of 900 miljoen (extra op hun 100 miljoen) mogen uitlenen.
Valt vast wel op te zoeken.Velen die meer kennis hebben hieromtrent dan de forumbezoekers zullen dat wel ergens uit de doeken gedaan hebben.

Plan:
Step 1. The Federal Open Market Committee approves the purchase of U.S. Bonds.

Step 2. Bonds are purchased by Fed.

Step 3. Pays for the bonds with (nowadays electronic) credits to the seller's bank, these credits are based on nothing.

Step 4. The banks use these deposits as reserves. They can loan out over ten times the amount of their reserves to new borrowers, all at interest.

So $1,000,000 into bonds can get turned into $10,000,000 in bank accounts. The FED creates 10% and the banks create the other 90%. To reduce the money, the FED can sell bonds to be public and the money flows out of the purchaser's bank. So $1,000,000 sales of bonds results into $10,000,000 less money in the economy.

Resultaat:
  1. [size=3]Misdirected banking reform [/size]
  2. [size=3]Prevented Greenbacks from making a comeback [/size]
  3. [size=3]Delegated to the bankers the right to create 90% of the money supply. [/size]
  4. [size=3]Centralized overall control of the nation's money supply in the hands of a few men.[/size]
  5. [size=3]Established a Central Bank with a high degree of independence from effective political control.[/size]
In order to remain behind the scenes, the plan called for the FED to be run by a board of governors appointed by the president. All they needed to do was to make sure that their people got on the board. [/size]

[size=1]Edit:[/size]
[size=1]After edit by Lex Blanca on 09-09-2005 at 21:44
Reason:
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Ja,ik vroeg me af of ze 90 of 900 miljoen (extra op hun 100 miljoen) mogen uitlenen.
Valt vast wel op te zoeken.Velen die meer kennis hebben hieromtrent dan de forumbezoekers zullen dat wel ergens uit de doeken gedaan hebben.

Plan:
Step 1. The Federal Open Market Committee approves the purchase of U.S. Bonds.

Step 2. Bonds are purchased by Fed.

Step 3. Pays for the bonds with (nowadays electronic) credits to the seller's bank, these credits are based on nothing.

Step 4. The banks use these deposits as reserves. They can loan out over ten times the amount of their reserves to new borrowers, all at interest.

So $1,000,000 into bonds can get turned into $10,000,000 in bank accounts. The FED creates 10% and the banks create the other 90%. To reduce the money, the FED can sell bonds to be public and the money flows out of the purchaser's bank. So $1,000,000 sales of bonds results into $10,000,000 less money in the economy.

Resultaat:
  1. [size=3][font=Times New Roman]Misdirected banking reform [/font][/size]
  2. [size=3][font=Times New Roman]Prevented Greenbacks from making a comeback [/font][/size]
  3. [size=3][font=Times New Roman]Delegated to the bankers the right to create 90% of the money supply. [/font][/size]
  4. [size=3][font=Times New Roman]Centralized overall control of the nation's money supply in the hands of a few men. [/font][/size]
  5. [size=3][font=Times New Roman]Established a Central Bank with a high degree of independence from effective political control. [/font][/size]
[font='Times New Roman']In order to remain behind the scenes, the plan called for the FED to be run by a board of governors appointed by the president. All they needed to do was to make sure that their people got on the board. [/font][/size]


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Ja,ik vroeg me af of ze 90 of 900 miljoen (extra op hun 100 miljoen) mogen uitlenen.
Valt vast wel op te zoeken.Velen die meer kennis hebben hieromtrent dan de forumbezoekers zullen dat wel ergens uit de doeken gedaan hebben.
Step 1. The Federal Open Market Committee approves the purchase of U.S. Bonds.

Step 2. Bonds are purchased by Fed.

Step 3. Pays for the bonds with (nowadays electronic) credits to the seller's bank, these credits are based on nothing.

Step 4. The banks use these deposits as reserves. They can loan out over ten times the amount of their reserves to new borrowers, all at interest.

So $1,000,000 into bonds can get turned into $10,000,000 in bank accounts. The FED creates 10% and the banks create the other 90%. To reduce the money, the FED can sell bonds to be public and the money flows out of the purchaser's bank. So $1,000,000 sales of bonds results into $10,000,000 less money in the economy.[/size]
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Zouden we morgen allemaal onze geld in contanten eisen dan zouden ze
de banken moeten sluiten want ze hebben het geld niet!



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Zouden we morgen allemaal onze schulden afbetalen, pas dan zouden de banken moeten sluiten. De bank is niet meer dan de tussenpersoon tussen de lener en de uitlener
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Ik ben niet tegen banken an sich!
Dat heb ik nergens gezegd.
Ik ben ook niet tegen kredieten! Ook nergens gezegd!

Ik ben tegen het creeren van geld uit niets door de banken!!!!!!
Alleen de banken worden daar rijker en rijker en rijker van.

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Wie is "de bank"
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Als de depositohouders ineens allen hun geld willen dan lukt het niet.
Maar de bank leent dus geen geld uit dat niet bestaat.
Dat is nou juist het punt!
Dat doen ze dus wel.




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Tsja, ik heb er eens een "main-stream" boek over opengeslagen en daar staat dus dit:

" Als iemand vroeger veel goud of zilver bezat, bracht hij het naar de goudsmid of kassier, die daarvoor ontvangstbewijzen afgaf. Deze ontvangstbewijzen met het karakter van promessen aan toonder werden gebruikt bij betalingen; dit was immers veel gemakkelijker dan het dure en gevaarlijke transport van goud. Nog was de geldhoeveelheid daardoor niet groter geworden; weliswaar waren er nu bankbiljetten in omloop, doch het daarachter staande goud lag als dekking ongebruikt in de kluizen van de kassiers. Peinzende over dit onbenutte edelmetaal kwamen de kassiers in de loop der tijd op het denkbeeld door kredietverlening wat meer bankbiljetten uit te geven. De voorraad papieren geld werd dus groter dan de voorraad goud, doch de ervaring leerde dat dit best kon,omdat nooit de gehele hoeveelheid bankbiljetten ter omwisseling in goud werd aangeboden. Zo vond dus de eerste geldcreatie uit het niets plaats;de kassiers waren tot bankiers geworden."

Bron:
Economie in theorie en praktijk.
Blz 148-149
Bewerkt door Prof. Dr. Heertje en Drs. R.Schondorff.
Dr.J.E.Andriessen, Agon Elsevier,1968


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"You go to a bank to borrow 'money'. Or you think you do. In fact, the 'money' is merely figures typed into your computer account. It does not exist, except as figures in a computer program. The banks are allowed to 'lend' at least ten times what they have on deposit - but this 'deposit', too, is only figures on a screen. There is no 'money', it's all an illusion.

But in return for 'borrowing' this created-out-of-nothing 'money' you must sign over your property, land or business, which is then owned by the bank until you have paid them back the nothing they 'loaned' you, plus interest. If you don't pay back the nothing the banks get your property, land or business.

And even while you are paying back the 'loan' this property - YOUR property - is considered an asset of the bank and they can 'lend' ten times its value to anyone else who wants a loan. In any other language it is called 'fraud'."


Bron: http://www.illuminati-news.com/banking-system.htm

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De volgende tekst heb ik ingetikt en komt van een lezing van David icke:
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Caller: And I have felt for a very very long time, that this debt load, makes the nation very viable to manipulation and stress, they are being held financially.

Host: Good point, thanks Bertha. David, your answer please.

David Icke: The point you just raised is absolutely crucial. But we can go a step further with this.
Yes, debt is manipulated. And yes, what does debt mean? Control!
But then we take it to the next level, and we ask -what the economists never seem to- what is debt? And then to the next question, what is money?
And what you find is, there is no debt because there is no money.
What happens is, and a lot of peple don’t realize this, and I understand why, because no one ever tells them...
When you go into a bank, whether you are a country, a third world country, borrowing to survive, or whether you're a government in another country, whether you're an individual or whether you're in business....
When you go into a bank, ehm.. and you say, "take out a loan voor 15.000 dollars", whatever - what does the bank then do, what it does, it types into your account 15.000 dollars and for doing that, it then has access, for ah ah on your assets, real wealth, your home, your land, whatever, your house. And if you don’t pay back, plus intrest -the figures they typed on a screen- they can take your real wealth, your home, your business, your land etc.
Because there is something called "fractional reserve lending" and it is legalised theft.
What it means is that banks can lend, at least -and for reasons I'll come to- is at least 10 times what they have on deposit. This is why, when everyone who thought they had money in the bank, went and asked for it, they'd slam the door in half an hour, because they don’t have it.
They are lending you, me...: fresh air. Because everytime you put a dollar or a pound in a bank, you are giving it the right to lend 10 to others it does not have! Just figures on a screen. And it gets worse.
Someone lends me, say a bank, 50.000 dollars. Then they put that into my account, right?
They have created that out of nothing. But, everytime I spend that money and someone else gets a check and puts in into another bank -or even the same one- that bank can now lend 10 times what is on that check, even though they've already created it in the first place by lending ten times what they have on deposit. In other words, if you add it all up, the figures that banks make on one loan of fresh air money is unbelievable. It’s astronomical!
I'll tell you something else they do, which I've come to have personal experience of, in the... through someone who is doing this.
There is something called bank trading. Because they can lend or even though they can lend 10 times more than what they have on deposit, sometimes they reach a point, a limit.
So what they do: there are groups of people that pull their money, ehm and they lend the bank a vast amount of money, say millions, when the bank has reached a limit.
The bank puts it in its account for a [matter of] a week or two weeks. Whhile it's in there, they can now legally lend 10 times that amount and therefore more loans to people beyond their limit. When the loans have been made, the money is then given back with intrest to the people that put it on deposit by agreement. So...

Host: The calls are piling up here. Yes caller. Good evening

Caller: Yes. Look, I'd like to say, as much as I agree with the way the world is being manipulated through the IMF... What I have to say is, the fact that, from my understanding is, that a country can only issue as much bank notes as it has in its vaults in gold? If I remember that…

David Icke: No, no. That's long past, long gone. The gold standard is long gone.

Caller: How long since that’s gone?

David Icke: A long time… A long time. No, if you look at a British pound, it says on it -or not a British pound now , but a British 5 pound or 10 pound or 20 pound note. It actually says on it: "Ï promise to pay the barrer the sum of 20 pounds, right?" Now, that is not backed by gold or anything like that.
So why does it say it on a note? See, if you lent me 10 pounds and I give you 10 pounds back, a 10 pound note, the debt is over, right? We're quits.

Caller: No, no, no, no. Can I stop you please for a second?

David Icke: yeah

Calller: When did the actual..., because I remember -I'm 50 odd years old- and I remember that it was that ...

David: So am I

Caller: ...the issue of bank notes could never exceed the amount of gold held by the ehm..., whoever they where.

David Icke: But.. Yeah, that's old stuff. Plus the fact..., you see it's not just about issuing banknotes… As I said earlier, the whole...

Caller: No, no, no! Could you please… por favor.
Because every country has to have a certain amount of money in their own system, to be able to pay for the bank notes they use. And if you're swapping the money across, and you're using it as people are using it -as you're explaining it- and they're turning 'round and getting intrest in one place, somewhere on the way the system has to break down. Because the amount of people and the amount of bank notes and the amount of intrest has to lose somewhere on the way.

David Icke: Eventually the system collapses, yes, but...

Caller: It’s gonna have to collapse. These people have... You're taking stuff, you're gonna have to be digging like crazy, in Zambia or somewhere. You're gonna be digging diamonds out like nobody's [business].

Host: We have another caller coming in...

David Icke: If I can make a point here… It’s an important point. They issue money as fresh air. It’s not backed by anything. Therefore it’s like a forged note, right?
It’s all a confidence trick. Money is only worth anything because we accept that it's worth something, and therefore we accept things as they're exchanged for it. It’s actualy worthless, you know. It's based on people believing in it.
If you forge a 10 pound note, right? That 10 pound note will go on buying things over and over again until -and no one will think anything of it- until someone holds it to the light and goes "hold on a minute, this is not real", at which point that note becomes worthless. The whole banking system is based on the fact that we accept that money is worth something. It is not worth anything, it is just a confidence trick. "
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voor mensen die zich hier echt in willen verdiepen, Exodus heeft hem al genoemd: een aanrader!:




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Idd, wat Pindar zegt is juist. Het is een enorm bedrog. Inflatie is ook zoeits. Inflatie is niet meer dan een instrument, het is het opzettelijk in roulatie brengen van meer geld voor bepaalde doeleinden.
Inflatie, geldontwaarding, is grotendeels het gevolg van productverbetering. Het beste voorbeeld is nog steeds de VW Golf. Dat karretje kostte 30 jaar geleden misschien 8.000€ (fl. 17.500,-). Daarvoor kreeg je een auto zo groot als een Polo nu, zonder de luxe ervan.

Tegenwoordig kost de VW Golf (vanaf) 18.000€. Daarvoor krijg je een auto die luxer is dan de meest luxe Passat uit 1975. Een Polo koop je tegenwoordig niet meer voor onder de 10.000€. Maar de Fox, een karretje dat even groot lijkt als de polo vroeger, krijg je wel voor 9.000€. En nogmaals: de kwaliteit is een stuk beter dan de vierkante stukken blik uit 1975.

Dát is geldontwaarding/inflatie. Dat dat met zich meebrengt dat bepaalde producten, die totaal niet gewijzigd zijn qua samenstelling, in prijs meegroeien, daar is niets aan te doen. Lonen moeten stijgen om die kwaliteitsverbeteringen te kunnen blijven betalen. Een VW Golfrijder van 30 jaar geleden kan zich momenteel even goed voelen in een VW Golf, dankzij de evolutie van de Golf zelf. Die is als het ware meegegroeid met de kopers uit 1975.
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De volgende tekst heb ik ingetikt en komt van een lezing van David icke:
(let op: die kerel gaat wereldberoemd worden)

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pindar
"You go to a bank to borrow 'money'. Or you think you do. In fact, the 'money' is merely figures typed into your computer account. It does not exist, except as figures in a computer program. The banks are allowed to 'lend' at least ten times what they have on deposit - but this 'deposit', too, is only figures on a screen. There is no 'money', it's all an illusion.

But in return for 'borrowing' this created-out-of-nothing 'money' you must sign over your property, land or business, which is then owned by the bank until you have paid them back the nothing they 'loaned' you, plus interest. If you don't pay back the nothing the banks get your property, land or business.

And even while you are paying back the 'loan' this property - YOUR property - is considered an asset of the bank and they can 'lend' ten times its value to anyone else who wants a loan. In any other language it is called 'fraud'."


Bron: http://www.illuminati-news.com/banking-system.htm

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Dit is wel humor. In de Oosterse filosofie beweren ze hetzelfde; het leven is een illusie. Er is enkel de interpretatie van uw eigen zintuigen die maakt dat u denkt dat u de werkelijkheid ervaart.

Gelukkig zijn ze daarvan terug aan het komen. Zo zal het ook wel weer zijn met bovenstaand verhaal. Er is wèl geld, al moet ik ook zeggen dat het monetaire stelsel dat er is, raar in elkaar zit. Iets van 7% van het in omloop zijnde geld is gedekt. Da's niet zo veel, nee. Sterker; volgens mij is een bank verplicht een reserve van 'slechts' die 7% te hebben. 1:14 dus. En misschien is die cashreserve op zichzelf ook weer 'maar' voor 7% gedekt door goud. Zodat de hoeveelheid geld in omloop 200x groter is dan de goudvoorraden. (7% van 7% = 0,5%=1/200)[edit]
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Citaat:
Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pindar
"You go to a bank to borrow 'money'. Or you think you do. In fact, the 'money' is merely figures typed into your computer account. It does not exist, except as figures in a computer program. The banks are allowed to 'lend' at least ten times what they have on deposit - but this 'deposit', too, is only figures on a screen. There is no 'money', it's all an illusion.

But in return for 'borrowing' this created-out-of-nothing 'money' you must sign over your property, land or business, which is then owned by the bank until you have paid them back the nothing they 'loaned' you, plus interest. If you don't pay back the nothing the banks get your property, land or business.

And even while you are paying back the 'loan' this property - YOUR property - is considered an asset of the bank and they can 'lend' ten times its value to anyone else who wants a loan. In any other language it is called 'fraud'."


Bron: http://www.illuminati-news.com/banking-system.htm

met vriendelijke groeten

Pindar
Dit is wel humor. In de Oosterse filosofie beweren ze hetzelfde; het leven is een illusie. Er is enkel de interpretatie van uw eigen zintuigen die maakt dat u denkt dat u de werkelijkheid ervaart.

Gelukkig zijn ze daarvan terug aan het komen. Zo zal het ook wel weer zijn met bovenstaand verhaal. Er is wèl geld, al moet ik ook zeggen dat het monetaire stelsel dat er is, raar in elkaar zit. Iets van 7% van het in omloop zijnde geld is gedekt. Da's niet zo veel, nee. Sterker; volgens mij is een bank verplicht een reserve van 'slechts' die 7% te hebben. 1:14 dus. En misschien is die cashreserve op zichzelf ook weer 'maar' voor 7% gedekt door goud. Zodat de hoeveelheid geld in omloop 200x groter is dan de goudvoorraden. (7% van 7% = 0,5%=1/200)[/size]

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Citaat:
Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pindar
"You go to a bank to borrow 'money'. Or you think you do. In fact, the 'money' is merely figures typed into your computer account. It does not exist, except as figures in a computer program. The banks are allowed to 'lend' at least ten times what they have on deposit - but this 'deposit', too, is only figures on a screen. There is no 'money', it's all an illusion.

But in return for 'borrowing' this created-out-of-nothing 'money' you must sign over your property, land or business, which is then owned by the bank until you have paid them back the nothing they 'loaned' you, plus interest. If you don't pay back the nothing the banks get your property, land or business.

And even while you are paying back the 'loan' this property - YOUR property - is considered an asset of the bank and they can 'lend' ten times its value to anyone else who wants a loan. In any other language it is called 'fraud'."


Bron: http://www.illuminati-news.com/banking-system.htm

met vriendelijke groeten

Pindar
Dit is wel humor. In de Oosterse filosofie beweren ze hetzelfde; het leven is een illusie. Er is enkel de interpretatie van uw eigen zintuigen die maakt dat u denkt dat u de werkelijkheid ervaart.

Gelukkig zijn ze daarvan terug aan het komen. Zo zal het ook wel weer zijn met bovenstaand verhaal. Er is wèl geld, al moet ik ook zeggen dat het monetaire stelsel dat er is, raar in elkaar zit. Iets van 7% van het in omloop zijnde geld is gedekt door goud. Da's niet zo veel, nee. Sterker; volgens mij is een bank verplicht een cashreserver van 'slechts' die 7% te hebben. 1:13 dus. En misschien is die cashreserve op zichzelf ook weer 'maar' voor 7% gedekt door goud. Zodat de hoeveelheid geld in omloop 200x groter is dan de goudvoorraden. (7% van 7% = 0,5%=1/200)[/size]


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Citaat:
Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pindar
"You go to a bank to borrow 'money'. Or you think you do. In fact, the 'money' is merely figures typed into your computer account. It does not exist, except as figures in a computer program. The banks are allowed to 'lend' at least ten times what they have on deposit - but this 'deposit', too, is only figures on a screen. There is no 'money', it's all an illusion.

But in return for 'borrowing' this created-out-of-nothing 'money' you must sign over your property, land or business, which is then owned by the bank until you have paid them back the nothing they 'loaned' you, plus interest. If you don't pay back the nothing the banks get your property, land or business.

And even while you are paying back the 'loan' this property - YOUR property - is considered an asset of the bank and they can 'lend' ten times its value to anyone else who wants a loan. In any other language it is called 'fraud'."


Bron: http://www.illuminati-news.com/banking-system.htm

met vriendelijke groeten

Pindar
Dit is wel humor. In de Oosterse filosofie beweren ze hetzelfde; het leven is een illusie. Er is enkel de interpretatie van uw eigen zintuigen die maakt dat u denkt dat u de werkelijkheid ervaart.

Gelukkig zijn ze daarvan terug aan het komen. Zo zal het ook wel weer zijn met bovenstaand verhaal. Er is wèl geld, al moet ik ook zeggen dat het monetaire stelsel dat er is, raar in elkaar zit. Iets van 7% van het in omloop zijnde geld is gedekt door goud. Da's niet zo veel, nee.[/size]
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Colin Whitmill reviews: It's best to take this book one chapter at a time to aid absorbing its powerful, logical arguments against the problem of debt-based finance.

An immediate and positive response to the challenges it presents will likely have hands reaching for wallets, purses, piggy-banks, direct debit forms and cheque books to aid those fighting for the sane reforms which Mike Rowbotham suggests.

He explores the simple method of creation, not of money, but of debt and how it affects multi-national companies, farmers, consumers, in fact everyone. The only debt-free money created in Britain -- coins and notes -- is 3 per cent of the total supply.

FINANCIAL FLUMMERY
A reader of this valuable contribution to monetary and economic debate will be much better able to see through the rhetoric and flummery masquerading as wisdom emanating from politicians, conventional economists and news media experts.

The author notes that "our government officials, political economists and newspaper columnists appear intellectually content with the current arrangements, oblivious to the depth of crisis that economics presents to the world.

"They still happily argue about the dangers of 'overheating' or needing to 'cool off', as if an economy that functions along the lines of a domestic boiler or kitchen toaster provides an acceptable basis for co-ordinating human activity."

"It is assumed by everyone -- and clearly by economists -- that money is a neutral and accurate medium; that money does no more than reflect the economic facts.

"It is assumed by almost everyone that the financial figures provide an accurate statement of our affairs. All the economists, politicians, businessmen and industrial experts agree, so we simply must cut expenditure, become more competitive, improve productivity, start new enterprises, create more jobs, export more to other countries. They are saying the same in ..." (and here you can list every country you can think of).

The author explains that modern money actually operates within its own detached and limited mathematical world. It projects its own version of 'the facts'; its own version of an economy; its own reality. It tells us what we can and cannot do; it tells us what we can and cannot afford. But these amount to demonstrably false, irrelevant and misleading 'facts'.

ELECTIONS DOMINATED BY ECONOMIC NIT-PICKING
He observes that "every budget and every election is dominated by spending plans, spending cuts, savings made here, and accusations of money wasted there. 'The other party's spending plans don’t add up' they all chorus. Scores of economists and political commentators then huddle round their calculators to check whether one party's promises have more financial credibility than the other's. With a triumphant shout, the claim is made that 'there isn't enough money'... So we can't do it. Money is trusted. Money is accepted as the final arbiter. Money is the overall economic truth; the limiting reality. And if there isn't enough money, well that's that ...

"For any one person not to have enough money is rational; for an entire economy constantly not to have enough money, and thereby prevented from doing what it is clearly capable of doing, is absurd."

Let's not be taken in by the cries of we must have economic growth, inward investment, or the bleating for more jobs. The reality, a simple counting of numbers, will show that there is not, and never can be -- under the debt finance system -- enough money to pay off the debts.

Rowbotham explains how the only way to provide economic improvement -- under the debt finance system -- is to create more and more debt, but it is a false way, as the time of reckoning has to come eventually.

In order to prevent bankruptcy, manufacturers, shop owners, the self-employed and others, who are all in debt, must stay one step ahead of ruin by winning, at the expense of others, and maintaining "market share".

The family run corner shop is threatened because bigger firms have caught up with their advantage of being open all hours. Flexible working hours, and all the other encroachments upon leisure time, social time and rest time have all given added advantage over rivals in the fight for "market share".

Other opportunities for advantage over competitors are low wages and tax breaks. This fight for "market share" and money to stave off bankruptcy is echoed in the international market -- that's why we have the WTO and MAI to enable strong nations and multi-nationals to exploit advantages. It's all caused by the debt finance system.

EXPORT WARFARE IS A RESULT OF DEBT
The chapter on Export Warfare gives an understanding of why conventional economists and politicians bleat about exports.

Being a net exporter means the economy is vigorous and healthy, although effectively losing real wealth with a net outflow of goods because it provides a supply of "debt free money boosting domestic purchasing power".

"The modern battle over exports is really nothing to do with trade at all. It is a battle for sales growth and solvency in a world dominated by debt."

A CONSPIRACY OF ERROR
The author is more charitable towards those who operate conventional economics than perhaps others may be inclined.

The trouble, as the author finds, is that "the majority of politicians and officials who operate financial systems, like the majority of economists, simply do not understand it. Or, at least, they understand it only from their limited perspective and on their own terms."

While some see the control of the world in the hands of a scurrilous banker cartel, the Bank of International Settlements, the secretive Bilderberg group and so on, the author rejects the concept of a conspiracy. If there is a conspiracy, then he argues it is one of error. What dominates the world, he believes, is a philosophy that economic problems can best be solved by "experts", not by those directly affected. The errant philosophy is that where the policy fails, it is not decentralisation that is needed, but more centralisation. "All this boils down to the belief that those in power know best."

But Rowbotham does not always dispel charitable largesse towards those instigators and defenders of the status quo. In a typical concern for those in need, he thunders: "How dare the government force the elderly to sell off their houses or connive to make them pay insurance they cannot afford. It is quite unjustified to seek to impose any charge for care on today's elderly when they have been paying [tax] all their lives on the understanding that, should they need care in their old age, it would be available. The only reason we cannot find this care is because this is a debt economy run on a scarcity of money and our financial statements do not reflect what we can really achieve."

INFLATION CAUSED BY DEBT-BASED MONEY
The chapter on inflation is worth the price of the book alone. The author states that "inflation is not caused by too much money; it is caused by too much debt-money."

He comments: "The whole principle of changing from a debt-based to a credit-based economy [i.e. one supplied with adequate debt-free money] is that money needs to be created, both to provide a stable money stock and to allow repayment of excessive debts.

"As long as it is created free of debt, distributed in the right way, and with parallel supporting measures, such money can be created in complete safety. It will not cause inflation and will simply support the functioning of the economy. The debt-free money distributed as a basic income would not cause spiraling inflation, runaway inflation, soaring inflation, hyper or mega inflation, or supa-dupa-cosmic inflation with flashing lights and sirens. It will not cause inflation because, in a modern economy, inflation is not caused by too much money …"

It is of course not enough to discover the faults in the monetary system. The onus is to suggest an alternative approach, and Rowbotham provides.

Over several years I have studied the written contributions of many social crediters and monetary reformers. This excellent production puts into one volume their combined basic thinking, logic and positive solutions. It is a modern exposition of just what is wrong with our financial system, how it occurred, why it occurred and how the errors can be corrected to benefit all people.

Knowledge is said to be power. And this book gives ordinary folk that power to challenge the economic "wisdom" which emanates from the minds and mouths of Treasury and IMF mandarins. If the mandarins read this book, they may realise they've been wrong all along. But are their minds closed?

AN EYE-OPENING AND INSPIRING BOOK
Richard Dymond reviews:
If you ever wondered where money comes from, how it's created, and why it's created in the way it is, then The Grip of Death is for you.

This book explains how the banking system is actually a form of institutionalised fraud, based on the original activities of goldsmiths who would lend more "money" than they actually had on deposit. The only reason we accept the system without a second thought seems to be that it has the weight of tradition behind it. But the weight of tradition is not enough to justify its validity, as the author shows.

This book explains how we have come to regard money -- or more precisely, the absence or presence of it -- as an indicator of what work can be done or "afforded".

The government closes hospitals and schools down because of lack of money. Does that mean there are suddenly not sufficient people with sufficient ability and sufficient willingness to keep these hospitals and schools running? Of course not! All it means is that the government mistakenly believes that "lack of money" equals "we can't do it".

We have become slaves to the economy, when instead we should be its master. The author shows how we can achieve our freedom.

This book explains how attempts by a government to reduce the national debt, under the present system, can be disastrous for the economy, and why those countries with the largest national debts are those who have achieved the greatest economic success. Sounds paradoxical? It isn't at all, once you understand what the national debt is and how banks create money.

This book explains why projects in developing countries funded by the likes of the World Bank and the IMF are destined to fail, and how the only beneficiaries of interest payments made on third-world debt are commercial banks which created -- out of nothing -- the money that formed the original loans.

This book explains how the boom-and-bust cycle is a necessary consequence of the way in which the vast majority of money in a nation's economy is created by banks as a debt.

One way to escape this cycle is to turn our economy from a debt-based to a credit-based one.

How? A simple solution, involving the creation of debt-free money by the government, is suggested. If anybody should question whether it is "fair" that the government create such money, let them ask this question: Is it "fair" that we should let private institutions create, with no effort on their part, and then charge us for using -- in the form of interest payments on debt -- 97% of the money in our economy?

The government has a right to create its own money debt-free, and it should exercise that right.

In short, this book is one of the most eye-opening, informative and inspiring books you could wish to read about money and its origins.

The Grip of Death is available for £15 payable to Jon Carpenter Publishing at Alder House, Market Street, Charlbury, Oxfordshire. OX7 3PH
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Citaat:
Colin Whitmill reviews: It's best to take this book one chapter at a time to aid absorbing its powerful, logical arguments against the problem of debt-based finance.

An immediate and positive response to the challenges it presents will likely have hands reaching for wallets, purses, piggy-banks, direct debit forms and cheque books to aid those fighting for the sane reforms which Mike Rowbotham suggests.

He explores the simple method of creation, not of money, but of debt and how it affects multi-national companies, farmers, consumers, in fact everyone. The only debt-free money created in Britain -- coins and notes -- is 3 per cent of the total supply.

FINANCIAL FLUMMERY
A reader of this valuable contribution to monetary and economic debate will be much better able to see through the rhetoric and flummery masquerading as wisdom emanating from politicians, conventional economists and news media experts.

The author notes that "our government officials, political economists and newspaper columnists appear intellectually content with the current arrangements, oblivious to the depth of crisis that economics presents to the world.

"They still happily argue about the dangers of 'overheating' or needing to 'cool off', as if an economy that functions along the lines of a domestic boiler or kitchen toaster provides an acceptable basis for co-ordinating human activity."

"It is assumed by everyone -- and clearly by economists -- that money is a neutral and accurate medium; that money does no more than reflect the economic facts.

"It is assumed by almost everyone that the financial figures provide an accurate statement of our affairs. All the economists, politicians, businessmen and industrial experts agree, so we simply must cut expenditure, become more competitive, improve productivity, start new enterprises, create more jobs, export more to other countries. They are saying the same in ..." (and here you can list every country you can think of).

The author explains that modern money actually operates within its own detached and limited mathematical world. It projects its own version of 'the facts'; its own version of an economy; its own reality. It tells us what we can and cannot do; it tells us what we can and cannot afford. But these amount to demonstrably false, irrelevant and misleading 'facts'.

ELECTIONS DOMINATED BY ECONOMIC NIT-PICKING
He observes that "every budget and every election is dominated by spending plans, spending cuts, savings made here, and accusations of money wasted there. 'The other party's spending plans don’t add up' they all chorus. Scores of economists and political commentators then huddle round their calculators to check whether one party's promises have more financial credibility than the other's. With a triumphant shout, the claim is made that 'there isn't enough money'... So we can't do it. Money is trusted. Money is accepted as the final arbiter. Money is the overall economic truth; the limiting reality. And if there isn't enough money, well that's that ...

"For any one person not to have enough money is rational; for an entire economy constantly not to have enough money, and thereby prevented from doing what it is clearly capable of doing, is absurd."

Let's not be taken in by the cries of we must have economic growth, inward investment, or the bleating for more jobs. The reality, a simple counting of numbers, will show that there is not, and never can be -- under the debt finance system -- enough money to pay off the debts.

Rowbotham explains how the only way to provide economic improvement -- under the debt finance system -- is to create more and more debt, but it is a false way, as the time of reckoning has to come eventually.

In order to prevent bankruptcy, manufacturers, shop owners, the self-employed and others, who are all in debt, must stay one step ahead of ruin by winning, at the expense of others, and maintaining "market share".

The family run corner shop is threatened because bigger firms have caught up with their advantage of being open all hours. Flexible working hours, and all the other encroachments upon leisure time, social time and rest time have all given added advantage over rivals in the fight for "market share".

Other opportunities for advantage over competitors are low wages and tax breaks. This fight for "market share" and money to stave off bankruptcy is echoed in the international market -- that's why we have the WTO and MAI to enable strong nations and multi-nationals to exploit advantages. It's all caused by the debt finance system.

EXPORT WARFARE IS A RESULT OF DEBT
The chapter on Export Warfare gives an understanding of why conventional economists and politicians bleat about exports.

Being a net exporter means the economy is vigorous and healthy, although effectively losing real wealth with a net outflow of goods because it provides a supply of "debt free money boosting domestic purchasing power".

"The modern battle over exports is really nothing to do with trade at all. It is a battle for sales growth and solvency in a world dominated by debt."

A CONSPIRACY OF ERROR
The author is more charitable towards those who operate conventional economics than perhaps others may be inclined.

The trouble, as the author finds, is that "the majority of politicians and officials who operate financial systems, like the majority of economists, simply do not understand it. Or, at least, they understand it only from their limited perspective and on their own terms."

While some see the control of the world in the hands of a scurrilous banker cartel, the Bank of International Settlements, the secretive Bilderberg group and so on, the author rejects the concept of a conspiracy. If there is a conspiracy, then he argues it is one of error. What dominates the world, he believes, is a philosophy that economic problems can best be solved by "experts", not by those directly affected. The errant philosophy is that where the policy fails, it is not decentralisation that is needed, but more centralisation. "All this boils down to the belief that those in power know best."

But Rowbotham does not always dispel charitable largesse towards those instigators and defenders of the status quo. In a typical concern for those in need, he thunders: "How dare the government force the elderly to sell off their houses or connive to make them pay insurance they cannot afford. It is quite unjustified to seek to impose any charge for care on today's elderly when they have been paying [tax] all their lives on the understanding that, should they need care in their old age, it would be available. The only reason we cannot find this care is because this is a debt economy run on a scarcity of money and our financial statements do not reflect what we can really achieve."

INFLATION CAUSED BY DEBT-BASED MONEY
The chapter on inflation is worth the price of the book alone. The author states that "inflation is not caused by too much money; it is caused by too much debt-money."

He comments: "The whole principle of changing from a debt-based to a credit-based economy [i.e. one supplied with adequate debt-free money] is that money needs to be created, both to provide a stable money stock and to allow repayment of excessive debts.

"As long as it is created free of debt, distributed in the right way, and with parallel supporting measures, such money can be created in complete safety. It will not cause inflation and will simply support the functioning of the economy. The debt-free money distributed as a basic income would not cause spiraling inflation, runaway inflation, soaring inflation, hyper or mega inflation, or supa-dupa-cosmic inflation with flashing lights and sirens. It will not cause inflation because, in a modern economy, inflation is not caused by too much money …"

It is of course not enough to discover the faults in the monetary system. The onus is to suggest an alternative approach, and Rowbotham provides.

Over several years I have studied the written contributions of many social crediters and monetary reformers. This excellent production puts into one volume their combined basic thinking, logic and positive solutions. It is a modern exposition of just what is wrong with our financial system, how it occurred, why it occurred and how the errors can be corrected to benefit all people.

Knowledge is said to be power. And this book gives ordinary folk that power to challenge the economic "wisdom" which emanates from the minds and mouths of Treasury and IMF mandarins. If the mandarins read this book, they may realise they've been wrong all along. But are their minds closed?

AN EYE-OPENING AND INSPIRING BOOK
Richard Dymond reviews:
If you ever wondered where money comes from, how it's created, and why it's created in the way it is, then The Grip of Death is for you.

This book explains how the banking system is actually a form of institutionalised fraud, based on the original activities of goldsmiths who would lend more "money" than they actually had on deposit. The only reason we accept the system without a second thought seems to be that it has the weight of tradition behind it. But the weight of tradition is not enough to justify its validity, as the author shows.

This book explains how we have come to regard money -- or more precisely, the absence or presence of it -- as an indicator of what work can be done or "afforded".

The government closes hospitals and schools down because of lack of money. Does that mean there are suddenly not sufficient people with sufficient ability and sufficient willingness to keep these hospitals and schools running? Of course not! All it means is that the government mistakenly believes that "lack of money" equals "we can't do it".

We have become slaves to the economy, when instead we should be its master. The author shows how we can achieve our freedom.

This book explains how attempts by a government to reduce the national debt, under the present system, can be disastrous for the economy, and why those countries with the largest national debts are those who have achieved the greatest economic success. Sounds paradoxical? It isn't at all, once you understand what the national debt is and how banks create money.

This book explains why projects in developing countries funded by the likes of the World Bank and the IMF are destined to fail, and how the only beneficiaries of interest payments made on third-world debt are commercial banks which created -- out of nothing -- the money that formed the original loans.

This book explains how the boom-and-bust cycle is a necessary consequence of the way in which the vast majority of money in a nation's economy is created by banks as a debt.

One way to escape this cycle is to turn our economy from a debt-based to a credit-based one.

How? A simple solution, involving the creation of debt-free money by the government, is suggested. If anybody should question whether it is "fair" that the government create such money, let them ask this question: Is it "fair" that we should let private institutions create, with no effort on their part, and then charge us for using -- in the form of interest payments on debt -- 97% of the money in our economy?

The government has a right to create its own money debt-free, and it should exercise that right.

In short, this book is one of the most eye-opening, informative and inspiring books you could wish to read about money and its origins.

The Grip of Death is available for £15 payable to Jon Carpenter Publishing at Alder House, Market Street, Charlbury, Oxfordshire. OX7 3PH
met vriendelijke groeten

Pindar[/size]


[size=1]Before any edits, post was:
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En probeer anders deze eens, enorm goed boek die het erg goed uitlegt
allemaal:



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Colin Whitmill reviews: It's best to take this book one chapter at a time to aid absorbing its powerful, logical arguments against the problem of debt-based finance.

An immediate and positive response to the challenges it presents will likely have hands reaching for wallets, purses, piggy-banks, direct debit forms and cheque books to aid those fighting for the sane reforms which Mike Rowbotham suggests.

He explores the simple method of creation, not of money, but of debt and how it affects multi-national companies, farmers, consumers, in fact everyone. The only debt-free money created in Britain -- coins and notes -- is 3 per cent of the total supply.

FINANCIAL FLUMMERY
A reader of this valuable contribution to monetary and economic debate will be much better able to see through the rhetoric and flummery masquerading as wisdom emanating from politicians, conventional economists and news media experts.

The author notes that "our government officials, political economists and newspaper columnists appear intellectually content with the current arrangements, oblivious to the depth of crisis that economics presents to the world.

"They still happily argue about the dangers of 'overheating' or needing to 'cool off', as if an economy that functions along the lines of a domestic boiler or kitchen toaster provides an acceptable basis for co-ordinating human activity."

"It is assumed by everyone -- and clearly by economists -- that money is a neutral and accurate medium; that money does no more than reflect the economic facts.

"It is assumed by almost everyone that the financial figures provide an accurate statement of our affairs. All the economists, politicians, businessmen and industrial experts agree, so we simply must cut expenditure, become more competitive, improve productivity, start new enterprises, create more jobs, export more to other countries. They are saying the same in ..." (and here you can list every country you can think of).

The author explains that modern money actually operates within its own detached and limited mathematical world. It projects its own version of 'the facts'; its own version of an economy; its own reality. It tells us what we can and cannot do; it tells us what we can and cannot afford. But these amount to demonstrably false, irrelevant and misleading 'facts'.

ELECTIONS DOMINATED BY ECONOMIC NIT-PICKING
He observes that "every budget and every election is dominated by spending plans, spending cuts, savings made here, and accusations of money wasted there. 'The other party's spending plans don’t add up' they all chorus. Scores of economists and political commentators then huddle round their calculators to check whether one party's promises have more financial credibility than the other's. With a triumphant shout, the claim is made that 'there isn't enough money'... So we can't do it. Money is trusted. Money is accepted as the final arbiter. Money is the overall economic truth; the limiting reality. And if there isn't enough money, well that's that ...

"For any one person not to have enough money is rational; for an entire economy constantly not to have enough money, and thereby prevented from doing what it is clearly capable of doing, is absurd."

Let's not be taken in by the cries of we must have economic growth, inward investment, or the bleating for more jobs. The reality, a simple counting of numbers, will show that there is not, and never can be -- under the debt finance system -- enough money to pay off the debts.

Rowbotham explains how the only way to provide economic improvement -- under the debt finance system -- is to create more and more debt, but it is a false way, as the time of reckoning has to come eventually.

In order to prevent bankruptcy, manufacturers, shop owners, the self-employed and others, who are all in debt, must stay one step ahead of ruin by winning, at the expense of others, and maintaining "market share".

The family run corner shop is threatened because bigger firms have caught up with their advantage of being open all hours. Flexible working hours, and all the other encroachments upon leisure time, social time and rest time have all given added advantage over rivals in the fight for "market share".

Other opportunities for advantage over competitors are low wages and tax breaks. This fight for "market share" and money to stave off bankruptcy is echoed in the international market -- that's why we have the WTO and MAI to enable strong nations and multi-nationals to exploit advantages. It's all caused by the debt finance system.

EXPORT WARFARE IS A RESULT OF DEBT
The chapter on Export Warfare gives an understanding of why conventional economists and politicians bleat about exports.

Being a net exporter means the economy is vigorous and healthy, although effectively losing real wealth with a net outflow of goods because it provides a supply of "debt free money boosting domestic purchasing power".

"The modern battle over exports is really nothing to do with trade at all. It is a battle for sales growth and solvency in a world dominated by debt."

A CONSPIRACY OF ERROR
The author is more charitable towards those who operate conventional economics than perhaps others may be inclined.

The trouble, as the author finds, is that "the majority of politicians and officials who operate financial systems, like the majority of economists, simply do not understand it. Or, at least, they understand it only from their limited perspective and on their own terms."

While some see the control of the world in the hands of a scurrilous banker cartel, the Bank of International Settlements, the secretive Bilderberg group and so on, the author rejects the concept of a conspiracy. If there is a conspiracy, then he argues it is one of error. What dominates the world, he believes, is a philosophy that economic problems can best be solved by "experts", not by those directly affected. The errant philosophy is that where the policy fails, it is not decentralisation that is needed, but more centralisation. "All this boils down to the belief that those in power know best."

But Rowbotham does not always dispel charitable largesse towards those instigators and defenders of the status quo. In a typical concern for those in need, he thunders: "How dare the government force the elderly to sell off their houses or connive to make them pay insurance they cannot afford. It is quite unjustified to seek to impose any charge for care on today's elderly when they have been paying [tax] all their lives on the understanding that, should they need care in their old age, it would be available. The only reason we cannot find this care is because this is a debt economy run on a scarcity of money and our financial statements do not reflect what we can really achieve."

INFLATION CAUSED BY DEBT-BASED MONEY
The chapter on inflation is worth the price of the book alone. The author states that "inflation is not caused by too much money; it is caused by too much debt-money."

He comments: "The whole principle of changing from a debt-based to a credit-based economy [i.e. one supplied with adequate debt-free money] is that money needs to be created, both to provide a stable money stock and to allow repayment of excessive debts.

"As long as it is created free of debt, distributed in the right way, and with parallel supporting measures, such money can be created in complete safety. It will not cause inflation and will simply support the functioning of the economy. The debt-free money distributed as a basic income would not cause spiraling inflation, runaway inflation, soaring inflation, hyper or mega inflation, or supa-dupa-cosmic inflation with flashing lights and sirens. It will not cause inflation because, in a modern economy, inflation is not caused by too much money …"

It is of course not enough to discover the faults in the monetary system. The onus is to suggest an alternative approach, and Rowbotham provides.

Over several years I have studied the written contributions of many social crediters and monetary reformers. This excellent production puts into one volume their combined basic thinking, logic and positive solutions. It is a modern exposition of just what is wrong with our financial system, how it occurred, why it occurred and how the errors can be corrected to benefit all people.

Knowledge is said to be power. And this book gives ordinary folk that power to challenge the economic "wisdom" which emanates from the minds and mouths of Treasury and IMF mandarins. If the mandarins read this book, they may realise they've been wrong all along. But are their minds closed?

AN EYE-OPENING AND INSPIRING BOOK
Richard Dymond reviews:
If you ever wondered where money comes from, how it's created, and why it's created in the way it is, then The Grip of Death is for you.

This book explains how the banking system is actually a form of institutionalised fraud, based on the original activities of goldsmiths who would lend more "money" than they actually had on deposit. The only reason we accept the system without a second thought seems to be that it has the weight of tradition behind it. But the weight of tradition is not enough to justify its validity, as the author shows.

This book explains how we have come to regard money -- or more precisely, the absence or presence of it -- as an indicator of what work can be done or "afforded".

The government closes hospitals and schools down because of lack of money. Does that mean there are suddenly not sufficient people with sufficient ability and sufficient willingness to keep these hospitals and schools running? Of course not! All it means is that the government mistakenly believes that "lack of money" equals "we can't do it".

We have become slaves to the economy, when instead we should be its master. The author shows how we can achieve our freedom.

This book explains how attempts by a government to reduce the national debt, under the present system, can be disastrous for the economy, and why those countries with the largest national debts are those who have achieved the greatest economic success. Sounds paradoxical? It isn't at all, once you understand what the national debt is and how banks create money.

This book explains why projects in developing countries funded by the likes of the World Bank and the IMF are destined to fail, and how the only beneficiaries of interest payments made on third-world debt are commercial banks which created -- out of nothing -- the money that formed the original loans.

This book explains how the boom-and-bust cycle is a necessary consequence of the way in which the vast majority of money in a nation's economy is created by banks as a debt.

One way to escape this cycle is to turn our economy from a debt-based to a credit-based one.

How? A simple solution, involving the creation of debt-free money by the government, is suggested. If anybody should question whether it is "fair" that the government create such money, let them ask this question: Is it "fair" that we should let private institutions create, with no effort on their part, and then charge us for using -- in the form of interest payments on debt -- 97% of the money in our economy?

The government has a right to create its own money debt-free, and it should exercise that right.

In short, this book is one of the most eye-opening, informative and inspiring books you could wish to read about money and its origins.

The Grip of Death is available for £15 payable to Jon Carpenter Publishing at Alder House, Market Street, Charlbury, Oxfordshire. OX7 3PH
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