Het paske van de terrorist

[democratsteve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Lex Blanca

Ik ook niet,meestal heeft hij wel gelijk...de betweter.

Hihi. I stand correct!
Bij mij werkt de link trouwens wel.
En toch, ter mijner verdediging. Ik denk, ik zeg wel degelijk denk dat dit kan toegevoegd zijn. (er zijn, tenminste aan hun rapporten op het net, aanpassingen gebeurd) Ik weet dus niet of dit ook één is, maar ik kon me in ieder geval niet herinneren het ooit gelezen te hebben.
En een andere reden waarom ik verbaasd was over uw link is, geloof het of niet, onze "vriendin". Zij kent de officiele rapporten beter dan de meeste believers, (was jij er toen al? exodus weet het nog wel) en zij heeft hier ooit dagenlang zitten te zeuren voor "bewijs" dat ze dat paspoort ooit hebben gevonden.

Nee,serieus,goed dat je even terug komt goeiedag zeggen Steve-o,al direct verandert het hier helemaal...13 gesprekken van die gsms,19x zelf geprobeerd dat het niet lukte...
Nu het actueler is dan ooit mede dankzij de reportages op Canvas is wat expertise natuurlijk handig...

Ik ga me wel beperken tot het kort antwoorden geven op sommige van de nieuwkomers. Heb hier al genoeg neergepend over 9/11.

[Vorenus]

13 gesprekken van die gsms

In de rapporten niet gevonden stond alleen in over phonecalls

[democratsteve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hellfigger

In de rapporten niet gevonden stond alleen in over phonecalls

So?
Al wat niet in de officiele rapporten staat is niet gebeurd, of wat?
Als de personen die claimen die telefoontjes ontvangen te hebben zélf zeggen dat het met z'n gsm was dat hij belde, is dat niet voldoende voor u?
Dat ze dat niet in hun rapport zetten, tja man, daar staat zoveel NIET in!!

[Ploertendoder]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Lex Blanca

http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_...tatement_1.pdf

Onderaan de eerste pagina,de derde of 4de regel bij de hoofding Passports.

Of is dat iets anders?

Edit:de link werkt hier niet,maar als je hem copieert en in internet explorer ingeeft op google kan je het wel openen en opslaan.Bij Firefox lukt het ook ni...

Passports

Four of the hijackers’ passports have survived in whole or in part.

Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 in Pennsylvania.

One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines Flight 11. A passerby picked it up and gave it to an NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed.

A fourth Staff Statement No. 1 2
passport was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston onto the connecting flight, which was American Airlines Flight 11.

In addition to these four, some digital copies of the hijackers’ passports were recovered in post-9/11 operations.

Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into the classified details, we will just state that these were “manipulated in a fraudulent manner,” in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda. Since the passports of 15 of the hijackers did not survive, we cannot make firm factual statements about their documents. But from what we know about al Qaeda passport practices and other information, we believe it is possible that six more of the hijackers presented passports that had some of these same clues to their association with al Qaeda.
Other kinds of passport markings can be highly suspicious. To avoid getting into the classified details, we will just call these “suspicious indicators.” Two of the hijackers, Khalid al Mihdhar and Salem al Hazmi, presented passports that had such suspicious indicators. We know now that each of these two hijackers possessed at least two passports. All of their known passports had these suspicious indicators. We have evidence that three other hijackers, Nawaf al Hazmi, Ahmed al Nami, and Ahmad al Haznawi may have presented passports containing these suspicious indicators. But their passports did not survive the attacks, so we cannot be sure.
Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were Saudi nationals. There were significant security weaknesses in the Saudi government’s issuance of Saudi passports in the period when the visas to the hijackers were issued. Two of the Saudi 9/11 hijackers may have obtained their passports legitimately or illegitimately with the help of a family member who worked in the passport office.
We do not yet know the answer to the question whether the knowledge of these particular clues existed in the intelligence community before 9/11. From the mid-1970s, when terrorists began to launch attacks in the Middle East and Europe, intelligence and border authorities knew that terrorists used forged or altered travel documents. By the 1980s the U.S. government had developed a “Red Book” used to guide and train consular, immigration, and customs officers throughout the world on spotting terrorists. It included photographs of altered or stolen passports, and false travel stamps (also known as cachets) used by terrorists. The importance of training border officials on use of the Red Book is evident from a U.S. government film entitled “The Threat is Real.” Here is a brief excerpt.
The U.S. government ceased publication of the “Red Book” by 1992, in part because it had fallen into the hands of terrorist groups, although there continued to be a number of government efforts to provide information about generic forgery detection and document inspection techniques.
Staff Statement No. 1 3 Before 9/11, the FBI and CIA did know of some of the practices employed by al Qaeda.
They knew this from training manuals recovered in the mid-1990s and from tracking and interrogations of al Qaeda operatives. Some of this knowledge was revealed in individual criminal cases prosecuted in the United States in the 1990s. And yet, between 1992 and September 11, 2001, we have not found any signs that intelligence, law enforcement, or border inspection services sought to acquire, develop, or disseminate systematic information about al Qaeda’s or other terrorist groups’ travel and passport practices.
Thus, suc h information was not available to consular, immigration, or customs officials who examined the hijackers’ passports before 9/11.

[SpaceRunner]

Heeft iemand die tekst al eens bekeken van die link die ik gisteren gepost heb? Daar staat trouwens een heel stukje in over die telefoongesprekken. Misschien eens interessant dat eens te bekijken.

[Lex Blanca]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door democratsteve

PS . Je kan ook altijd in mijn historiek hier eens grasduinen.
99 % van m'n posts zijn over 9/11. En al zeg ik het zelf (ben zeker dat dit gaat beaamd worden door enkelen ((misschien zelfs door een enkele 'disbeliever')) er zijn goeie bij.

Bij deze beaam ik de laatse zin van de post.

[Lex Blanca]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hellfigger

Heb officiële rapport nog is bekeken, sta niets in van Cell-phones wel van phone-calls

Dat zegden we ook niet,we zegden dat dat van dat paspoort erin stond.
Dat dat van die cellphones niet in dat officiele rapport staat...zegt dat niet iets over het officiele rapport?

[Lex Blanca]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door democratsteve

En een andere reden waarom ik verbaasd was over uw link is, geloof het of niet, onze "vriendin". Zij kent de officiele rapporten beter dan de meeste believers, (was jij er toen al? exodus weet het nog wel) en zij heeft hier ooit dagenlang zitten te zeuren voor "bewijs" dat ze dat paspoort ooit hebben gevonden.

Ja,ik was er toen al,ze vond naar ik mij herinner geen officiele bronnen nadat Exo de onwaarschijnlijkheid van dat gebeuren aankaartte.

[Pindar]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Ploertendoder

Dat heeft mij tot een "believer" gemaakt, na de uitzending gisteren op Canvas. En jullie?

Welkom!
Ik ben altijd zeer zeer verheugd als mensen 'het'beginnen te zien'
"We' doen het daar juist om!
Hoe meer mensen wakkerder zijn hoe sterker het 'vee' wordt!

Pin d'Ar

[Pindar]

en dan speciaal dit nog voor ploertendoder.
(howel ik wel vind dat de postings nu erg versnipperd raken)

The Secret World of Mohammed Atta - the 'fanatical Muslim' who loved to drink and eat pork chops

Exclusive 19-minute interview with Amanda Keller, Mohamed Atta's erstwhile American girlfriend, refuting..."all sworn testimony given by a Pentagon official last week (sic) at the Able Danger hearing, who said the U.S. had not identified Mohamed Atta prior to 9/11."...The ranks of U.S. Government Agencies with unacknowledged awareness of Mohamed Atta's pre-9/11 activities in the U.S. have been steadily swelling.

The DEA had Venice Airport under 24-hour surveillance before 9/11. They filmed everyone who entering or exiting Airport from a camera installed in an apartment across the street, which was exactly where Atta lived in fact as well. DEA and Atta were neighbors. So DEA could have saved Pentagon trouble of using their "state-of-the-art data mining capabilities" and knocked on his door....They have chosen not to, apparently. Nor are they alone in their silence....FBI knew of Atta's presence in U.S....FBI began scouring Venice, FL environs looking for Amanda Keller ONE day after 9/11 attack. They located her almost immediately. So they presumably know all about both Atta's drug use AND his German associates as well....FBI also claims unable to figure out where Mohamed Atta was living (neighbors to the DEA) between January and May of 2001. But numerous eyewitnesses told them. Florida Flight Training Center owned by "Magic Dutch Boy" Arne Kruithof, one of the two 'Magic Dutch Boys' who run flight schools at Venice Airport. Other is Rudi Dekkers, not charged with any 9/11-related crime as yet,...[despite being a close Atta buddy.]....Rudi Dekkers currently makes frequent charter flights down and back to Columbia, we're told. Another Atta buddy and close friend is Wally Hilliard--who connects directly to the Bush family...

"One time I got mad cause he broke one of my knick-knacks, so I snapped his CD's in half," said Amanda Keller, his erstwhile American girlfriend. "I broke all of his CD's, cause they drove me crazy, he played the 'Beastie Boys' nonstop."

In the aftermath of the argument, Atta told her why he was such a big fan. "He told me about this girl he'd dated in France, that had his son," said Keller. "He didn't tell anyone else about that, for some reason he felt he could spill his guts to me. His son was like nine, he said. He said his son was the reason he liked the Beastie Boys so much, cause they were his son's favorite band."

NUMBER 8. Mohamed Atta, Islamic Party Animal

"Atta and his crew were always flush with lots and lots of money," said Stephanie Frederickson, a 50-year old housewife and foster mother who with her husband lived right next door to Atta's apartment. "Those guys were all really party animals."

During their brief time together, Amanda and Atta went out almost every night, she said, and were part of a social scene at clubs like Margarita Maggie's in Sarasota. "When we went out we would meet pilots from Africa, Germany, and there were always lots of Arabs."

In fact, Atta was a heavy drinker, snorted coke, was a stylish dresser and wore enough expensive gold jewelry that a waitress in Venice thought he might be in the Mob.

NUMBER 7. Mohamed Atta liked pork chops.

"Islamic fundamentalist" Mohamed Atta loved pork chops, according to former girlfriend Amanda Keller. In fact, she said this was 'fanatical Islamo-fascist' Atta's one endearing trait.

Devout Muslims don't eat pork, do they?

NUMBER 6. Mohamed Atta didn't come to the U.S. to learn to fly.

Atta was already a licensed pilot when he arrived in the US., with pilot's licenses from half a dozen countries, and while at Huffman Aviation was not treated like a 'newbie' pilot, but accorded the privileges of a flight instructor.

And instead of attending just one flight school, Huffman Aviation, as the FBI states, his path took him through at least three Florida flight programs, not including his visit to a flight school in Oklahoma and a stint at the first flight school he attended in the U.S., whose name, oddly enough, remains unknown.

If Atta's real reason for being in Florida wasn't to go to flight school... "why then was he here?"

That facts this basic remain unknown illustrates the extent of the official blackout on information about 9/11.

NUMBER 5. Mohamed Atta's email list included people working for U.S. Defense contractors.

One, for instance, worked for Canadian firm Virtual Prototypes, which helped develop the avionics for F-15, F-22 and B-2.. Mohamed Atta's kept an email list, showing him to have been in contact with employee's of US Defense contractors.

Atta's emails are reprinted in "Welcome to Terrorland's 40-page Appendix, filled with never before seen photos and documents about the terrorist conspiracy.

NUMBER 4. Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air force Base, in Montgomery, Alabama.

Witnesses there recall him having been introduced around at an officers' club party. Mohamed Atta and at least five other of the nineteen terrorists participated in military training at secure military facilities in the United States. A 'Mohamed Atta' attended International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama. Others of the terrorists studied in exchange programs at US Defense installations like the Defense Language Institute in Monterrey, CA.

NUMBER 3. Mohamed Atta got dumped by his American girlfriend.

"The day I stopped liking him," Keller says today, "was when I saw him for the first time out at the pool. He was wearing a lime-green Speedo. He had a flanky ass."

He had also embarrassed her in a night club, which turned out to be the beginning of the end. "We were at Margarita Maggie's in Sarasota near the quay," Amanda stated. "Angelina, Olivia, Timothy, Juergen, Sabrina, Mohamed, Wolfgang...they were all there."

"And Mohamed, like a dumbass was standing on top of a speaker dancing. The man could not dance to save his life, he was real stiff, just kind of shaking, doing the 'Roxbury head bob' thing. He just embarrassed me instantly when we got there, and I just pretended I didn't know him."

NUMBER 2. Mohamed Atta was in Venice, Florida at least three times during the last six weeks of his life.

The FBI is covering this fact up, perhaps because it will lead to questions about the identities of those who Atta had gone to the retirement community on Florida's Gulf Coast to meet, which included "Magic Dutch Boy" Rudi Dekkers.

And, the NUMBER 1 Thing You Never Knew About Mohamed Atta:

1. Mohamed Atta was a psychopath.

"He told me he'd get even with me," Amanda Keller said, after she threw him out of the apartment they shared. "He said, 'You will be sorry for this.'"

He revenged himself by disemboweling her pet cat and and dismembering its half-dozen baby kittens, then strewing the pieces around her apartment to be discovered when she returned home from work after a long night at the "lingerie model" escort service in Sarasota she worked for to the apartment that was now hers alone.

Amanda kept a pet dog, and several cats as well, one of whom had just had a litter, she informed us haltingly. There were six adorable kittens. But when she flicked on the lights in her apartment, she didn't hear any noises coming from them, and she couldn't see any of the kittens...

Voice cracking with horror, she told us what she saw when she turned on the light: pieces of dead kittens-kitten parts-strewn all over the living room. "She (the mother cat) had had a litter of six. Only one survived...The mother was gutted on my kitchen table. And there were little baby cat parts all over the place."

"The only ones to survive were my little dog that hid under the couch, and my Siamese who sat on top of the fridge behind the cookie jar. My friend Page came in with me, and helped me pick up little kitten parts that were all over the apartment."

Chopping up kittens across from the Venice Airport

In an apartment directly across the street from the Venice Airport, the American girl who had just spurned Atta was on her hands and knees picking up kitten parts. Amanda Keller moved out of the apartment that same day, and never returned.

Numerous descriptions of Atta have painted him as menacing, dark, glaring, sometimes just wooden. We even heard speculation, from people who had been in his presence in Venice, that they suspected he might have been brainwashed.

But after listening to Amanda Keller's story, which we will see fully corroborated by credible witnesses, we can answer one of the open questions about the 9/11 attack: Why was Mohamed Atta chosen to commit one of history's most unspeakable crimes?

Because he could. He was capable of it. Not just capable... he was perfect for the job. He does not deserve the 'heroic suicide' mantle placed on his shoulders by aggrieved Arab radicals. Any self-respecting Islamic fundamentalist should be ashamed that he sprang from their number. Atta wasn't a hero. He belonged in a psych-ward.

Mohamed Atta was a psychopath. A Kitten Killer. We're in Jeffrey Dahmer territory here.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=14738


Comment
C.M. Ross
8-21-6

Have you noticed yet that Mohammed Atta was not on ANY of the doomed airliners on 9/11/01?
His name does not appear on the original passenger manifests. GOOGLE IT!

Sincerely,
Miss Ross

die van die 'pork' vind ik nog het leukst!!!!

http://www.rense.com/general73/secret.htm

Pin d'Ar

[largo_w]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Ploertendoder

't Schijnt dat het bijna onmogelijk is om met de GSM te bellen vanuit een vliegtuig. En toch is er één van de passagiers die belt naar zijn moeder:

"Hallo het is hier Jan Pieters, het vliegtuig is gekaapt" Wat een beetje gek is, is dat die kerel zijn achternaam vernoemt in een gesprek aan zijn moeder, maar klopt dat van dat GSM-en dat bijna niet lukt op een vliegtuig?

Van waar komt dit?? Kan je mij de bron van dit geven want dit is toch maar een raar verhaal hoor... (of pakt u moeder ook al haar telefoongesprekken met u op?)

[Lex Blanca]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door largo_w

Van waar komt dit?? Kan je mij de bron van dit geven want dit is toch maar een raar verhaal hoor... (of pakt u moeder ook al haar telefoongesprekken met u op?)

Hij heette Mark Bingam.Met wat zoeken vind je het wel.

[largo_w]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Lex Blanca

Hij heette Mark Bingam.Met wat zoeken vind je het wel.

Neen kan nergens vinden dat hij zijn naam zegt aan de telefoon of zo...

[Ambiorix]

Kan ik ergens de fiche van OBL van de CIA vinden?

[Lex Blanca]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door largo_w

Neen kan nergens vinden dat hij zijn naam zegt aan de telefoon of zo...

Beter zoeken of wachten tot iemand het post.Ik heb nu geen tijd.

[Lex Blanca]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Ambiorix

Kan ik ergens de fiche van OBL van de CIA vinden?

Classified...

[largo_w]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Lex Blanca

Beter zoeken of wachten tot iemand het post.Ik heb nu geen tijd.

Het is gewoon TE dom! Hij spreekt met zijn moeder (dus geen antwoordmachine) en nogtans bent u er zeker van dat er ergens een perfecte teksts staat met wat hij zei .

[Ploertendoder]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gorefest

En waarom zou de waarheid er niet tussenin kunnen zitten? Als de overheid op voorhand wist van de aanslagen, 'zou' de kans toch kunnen bestaan dat ze ietwat meegeholpen heeft met extra aanslagen, bv die op het pentagon, om het allemaal nog meer op te kloppen? (is eigenlijk wat vergezocht maar machtige overheden zijn tot alles in staat) Want het officiële verhaal rond het pentagon, hoezeer ik ook probeer, dat gaat er bij mij niet in, kben dus een kwart believer

Ik denk dat gij er misschien p�*l opzit Gore. Mogelijk waren de luitjes van de JewSA al lang aan het uitzoeken hoe ze nu toch die Taliban en Saddam konden laten ophoepelen nu dat hun rol uitgespeeld was en ze te gevaarlijke ambities kregen.

En dan komt daar een steeds sterkere stroom geheime informatie dat die gasten van den Osama met iets "real BIG" bezig zijn. Iets met vliegtuigen of zo en Amerikaanse symbolen. En hoe dichter dat het uur U nadert hoe duidelijker het wordt. Dick zegt tegen Paul en Donald "als we ze nu eens in plaats van frontaal aan te vallen met een judotruuk een klap in hun eigen gezicht laten verkopen?"

Huh? Zeggen de anderen. Vertel.

Well, als we de zaken nog wat extra dramatisch maken, zodanig dat de hele natie "klaar gemaakt wordt", als jullie begrijpen wat ik bedoel".

Jawel, maar w�*t heb je dan precies in gedachten?

Well, we weten dat ze met een paar civil aircrafts zich op de twin towers willen laten storten. Dan zijn die torens rijp voor de sloop hab ik gehoord van de boss van de WTC. Als we nu eens zorgen dat die torens in een klap "controlled demolitioned" worden, haha.

Well, Dick I'm beginning to get the picture, weet you what? Laten we ineens number 7 mee collapsen, kunnen we ineens een hoop lastige zaken 'opruimen'.

Hey, ik heb ook nog een real good idea. Als we in plaats van 2 planes er nu eens 4 van maken, niet enkel New York, maar ook nog op dat ander symbol van American Power?

Yes, Paul?

Well, we lanceren een missile naar het Pentagon en vertellen dat het een boeing is. Geen person die het verschil kent. En een andere laten we ergens crashen in a plane. Haha a plane in a plane. En dan laten we de inzittenden nog een aangrijpende story door hun phones vertellen?

Ok, but don't forget to let "paasers by" find some paskes from the terrorists.

Yes guys, this is gonna be a real big thing. Afghanistan here we come.

HeHe. Hahaha.

[Ploertendoder]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door largo_w

Van waar komt dit?? Kan je mij de bron van dit geven want dit is toch maar een raar verhaal hoor... (of pakt u moeder ook al haar telefoongesprekken met u op?)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...91019226059520

hier een video met zijn moeder

[Ploertendoder]

nog wat:


At the time of his death at 31, he had also begun showing an interest in politics. He helped sponsor a fund-raiser in San Francisco for Sen. John McCain's 2000 presidential campaign. At a memorial service for Mark in San Francisco, McCain tearfully said that Mark may well have saved his life by helping divert Flight 93 from Washington.
That Mark Bingham was among those who fought with the hijackers on Flight 93 is speculation, but only among those who didn't know him.
He barely made the flight that morning after oversleeping in Matt Hall's townhouse in Denville, N.J. He wanted to get back to San Francisco for an afternoon conference call. Later that week, he was to be in the wedding of a fraternity brother, a Muslim.
Hall raced the traffic to get Mark to Newark International Airport for the 8 a.m. flight. To the east, they could see the steel gray twin towers of the World Trade Center.
Hall pulled to the curb in front of Terminal A, and Mark grabbed his rugby bag and bounded off. He was the last to board. From his seat, he dialed up Hall who was by then back on the highway.
"Thanks for driving so crazy to get me here," Mark told him. "I made the plane. I'm in first class, and I'm drinking a glass of orange juice."
It is believed that the hijackers made their move about 90 minutes later. Mark was among those who placed cell phone calls. He dialed his mother at her brother and sister-in-law's in Saratoga, Calif., where she was helping to take care of the children.
"Hello, Mom, this is Mark Bingham," he said, using his last name, which immediately alerted Alice that something was wrong. He told her three men were on board, and they had a bomb (it is still uncertain if there was a fourth accomplice). He told Alice he loved her, and she told him the same. "There was a long pause; someone seemed to be talking to him and he seemed distracted. He asked me if I believed him. I said, `Yes, I believe you.' " Then the phone went dead.
Mark was sitting in first class, not far from the cockpit, in seat 4D. He was directly across from Tom Burnett, an executive with a California medical research company. In phone calls to his wife Deena, Burnett learned about the planes hitting the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. He knew that the hijackers likely were planning to use this plane, too, as a weapon. In his last call to Deena, Burnett told her, "We're going to do something."
Other passengers on the flight also told people by phone that some were planning to take action.
That is all the information Mark's friends and family need. "There is not a scintilla of doubt in my mind that he was involved and everyone who knew him feels the same way," said Holm.
Holm had seen Mark leap into action before. A few years ago, when they were leaving a San Francisco bar, two large men knocked them down from behind. "Mark started fighting one of the guys who had a gun. The guy kept hitting Mark on the head with the gun, and Mark was bleeding, but he wouldn't stop fighting. He kicked the gun, and it went skittering under a car and they ran off.
"I was furious. He should have just given them our wallets, but that wasn't in Mark's nature."
Others had also seen Mark intervene to protect others, a slightly built friend from a bigger man, a waitress from rowdy patrons. "I don't believe it's a coincidence that the one plane that didn't hit its target was the one that Mark was on board," said Eberhart.
In the days after the catastrophe, an enormous, impromptu memorial to Mark flowered in San Francisco's Castro District, the area known as America's "gay mecca." There are plans to erect a permanent memorial to Mark in the city. Holm hopes the athletic fields where Mark played football and softball will be named in his honor.







http://www.sffog.org/markstory