Mythes over Iran en Ahmadinijad

[zomdupar]

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Nog even geduld.

Iraanse game-ontwikkelaars werken aan 'Attack on Tel Aviv'

euh moet het dan niet Attack on Stockholm zijn, aangezien Battlefield 3 daar is ontwikkeld ?

Maar ja direct tegen de joden

[Kasumi]

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euh moet het dan niet Attack on Stockholm zijn, aangezien Battlefield 3 daar is ontwikkeld ?

Maar ja direct tegen de joden

Maakt niet uit, hopelijk goede graphics.

[zomdupar]

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Maakt niet uit, hopelijk goede graphics.

Ze zullen vrees ik geen licentie krijgen voor de Frostbite 2 engine

[Baka]

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Ze zullen vrees ik geen licentie krijgen voor de Frostbite 2 engine

Weer een extra reden om zelfvoorzienend te zijn.

[atmosphere]

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het verwijderen van Saddam had die 'leugens' niet nodig eigenlijk... tja sommige leden in de VN lieten graag die wrede dictator zitten begrijpe wie kan...

Hadden ze dat maar gedaan , de bevolking is er geen reet beter van geworden. Zelfs saddams grootste vijanden in Irak zeggen dat de Amerikaanse inval beter niet had kunnen plaatsvinden.

[zomdupar]

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Hadden ze dat maar gedaan , de bevolking is er geen reet beter van geworden. Zelfs saddams grootste vijanden in Irak zeggen dat de Amerikaanse inval beter niet had kunnen plaatsvinden.

De bevolking daar is net het probleem. Als ze het vs-plan hadden gevolgd was het een democratie geworden met inspraak van ieder. Maar in de praktijk kunnen de verschillende sekten daar elkaar niet uitstaan, multi-kul staat niet in hun woordenboek.

Het midden-oosten is verkaveld geweest door kolonisatie. Het midden-oosten (afrika idem) heeft dan ook nooit de kans gehad om hun grenzen met bloedvergieten te vormen zoals in europa. En bloedvergieten op grote schaal is wat er zal komen daar.

[Johnny Blaze]

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De bevolking daar is net het probleem. Als ze het vs-plan hadden gevolgd was het een democratie geworden met inspraak van ieder. Maar in de praktijk kunnen de verschillende sekten daar elkaar niet uitstaan, multi-kul staat niet in hun woordenboek.

Het midden-oosten is verkaveld geweest door kolonisatie. Het midden-oosten (afrika idem) heeft dan ook nooit de kans gehad om hun grenzen met bloedvergieten te vormen zoals in europa. En bloedvergieten op grote schaal is wat er zal komen daar.

Reden te meer om onze cultuur niet op te dringen in een regio die een totaal verschillende culturele geschiedenis heeft meegemaakt. Dat werkt niet.

[Baka]

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De bevolking daar is net het probleem. Als ze het vs-plan hadden gevolgd was het een democratie geworden met inspraak van ieder. Maar in de praktijk kunnen de verschillende sekten daar elkaar niet uitstaan, multi-kul staat niet in hun woordenboek.

Het midden-oosten is verkaveld geweest door kolonisatie. Het midden-oosten (afrika idem) heeft dan ook nooit de kans gehad om hun grenzen met bloedvergieten te vormen zoals in europa. En bloedvergieten op grote schaal is wat er zal komen daar.

Zoals gepland en veroorzaakt door de USA.
lukt het niet om de olie er vandaan te halen, kunnen ze nog altijd beide partijen van wapens voorzien.
Na oorlog exporteren is wapenhandel hun grootste bron van inkomsten.

Een verband? Gewaagde stelling...

[Kasumi]

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De bevolking daar is net het probleem. Als ze het vs-plan hadden gevolgd was het een democratie geworden met inspraak van ieder.

En voorts zagen dat de Islam zich zou opdringen, maar als het gaat om de eigen ideologie ("democratie") door anderen hun strot te rammen...

[zomdupar]

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Zoals gepland en veroorzaakt door de USA.
lukt het niet om de olie er vandaan te halen, kunnen ze nog altijd beide partijen van wapens voorzien.
Na oorlog exporteren is wapenhandel hun grootste bron van inkomsten.

Een verband? Gewaagde stelling...

Instabiliteit in het midden-oosten is net de nachtmerrie van de vs, wapenverkoop is peanuts vergeleken met de flow of oil voor de wereld economie.

[Elio di Supo]

Myth No. 1: The regime is democratic.

One of the main demands of the revolution of 1979 was democracy, and Khomeini and his supporters, who believed in the "absolute sovereignty of the jurist," could not openly ignore this. That’s why there is an elected parliament in Iran. But all candidates must be verified by an unelected 12-member ultra-conservative religious council (the Guardianship Council), which decides who can or cannot run, without any explanation.

The same body that is appointed by the Supreme Leader acts as an upper house and can reject or accept any bill passed by the parliament. That body also chooses who can run for the presidency. It usually selects several trusted candidates from within the establishment and lets the public pick one. Even in this process they cheat, as they did in the last election in June 2009.

The Supreme Leader is the most important position. He is selected for life by an all-Mullah Assembly of Experts. He controls the armed forces, the Islamic guards and militia, foreign policy, and state media. He also controls massive religious endowments, receives a share of oil revenues to be spent at his discretion, and oversees a most dreadful network of parallel security and intelligence establishments and an incredible repressive apparatus.

A crucial aspect of democracy and democratic rights relates to gender. Islamist gender politics is openly and unapologetically against gender equality. Had it not been for the brave women of Iran and their loosely organized groups, most women would have by now been pushed back from the public sphere.

The youth of Iran cannot even decide what dress to wear. University students lack any freedom, and their demands are brutally suppressed. Through a bizarre star- or negative-point system, student activists are expelled easily from the university.

Another major aspect of democracy relates to the rights of ethnic and religious minorities. The Kurdish, the Baluch, the Turkmen, and other national minorities have been brutally suppressed. Under the regime of the Mullahs, Iran is being depleted of its religious minorities. Here I give you the latest figures extracted from the government’s own statistics. In the period of 1996-2006, Iran’s Jewish population – the largest in the Middle East after Israel – was reduced by 25 per cent, from 12,700 to 9,200. During the same period, the number of Zoroastrians, the original religion of Iran, was reduced from 27,900 to 19,800. Those not identifying their religion increased from about 89,000 to over 205,000 (these include Bahá'�*s, atheists, etc.). Only the number of Christians has increased, which is another story, partly related to conversions.

As we speak, leaders of the women’s movement, the labour movement, students’ movements, and religious minorities are in jail. So much for the illusion of democracy.

Myth No. 2: The regime is anti-imperialist.

Some call Ahmadinejad "the anti-imperialist president." The basis of their claim is nothing but Ahmadinejad’s anti-American, anti-Israeli, and pro-Palestinian rhetoric. Anti-imperialism is a progressive attribute and does not apply to a reactionary regime that itself has dreams of expanding its influence beyond its borders.

Ahmadinejad shrewdly uses his anti-American, anti-Israeli, pro-Palestinian rhetoric to attract attention and gain support from the people who are actually suffering from wrong and oppressive policies of the U.S., Israel, and other powers in the Middle East. The plight of the Palestinian people is very real, but what has the Iranian regime done in their support, other than utter empty words and support like-minded Islamists in the region?

Ironically, Ahmadinejad has played anti-imperialism in reverse, by providing ammunition to the most hawkish and reactionary fundamentalist factions of Israel. Ysrael Beitenu of Avigdoor Liberman owes much of its 15 seats in the Knesset to Ahmadinejad. A right-wing Israeli analyst said it well: Ahmadinejad is god-given!

Had it not been for misguided American foreign policy from the time of Reagan to George W. Bush, this same regime would have been much closer to the Americans. The Mullahs are very pragmatic; they got help from Reagan and Israel during the Iran-Iraq war. Israel was among the main providers of arms, such as Katyusha shells, anti-tank missiles, air-to-surface missiles, and crucial spare parts for Phantom jets to Iran, worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

After the American invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, the Iranian regime collaborated with the Americans in the Bonn Agreement and since then has continuously supported Hamid Karzai. Iran also implicitly supported the American invasion of Iraq.

Anti-imperialism should also be reflected in a state’s economic policies. Ahmadinejad has been very pragmatic in relation to foreign capital. While foreign direct investment (FDI) has remained limited since the revolution and has declined in recent years (now as low as $1.5 billion), Ahmadinejad has lifted some of the original restrictions on FDI, and for portfolio investments has even allowed foreign companies, for the first time, to buy shares of Iranian companies on the TSE (the Tehran Stock Exchange).

Amazingly, Ahmadinejad signed a colonial-type oil-concession agreement with Chinese companies (Sinopac and later China Petroleum). The conditions of the concession offered by the Chinese were so outrageous that the former president, Khatami, did not sign it – but Ahmadinejad did, and he even added to the concession ( 35-year concession on the basis of 55/45 revenue share – the lesser figure for Iran – for one million barrels per day, for which the costs of explorations are based on 40/60 – the bigger share of the costs for Iran. Iran can sell only 30 per cent of the extracted oil from fields assigned independently, and Iran has to use 45 per cent of its revenues for purchasing goods from China. Many rightly compare this to the 1906 D’Arcy and later the BP concession).

Myth No. 3: The regime is for the poor and the oppressed.

On the basis of a crude class analysis, some have argued that the conflict within the Islamic regime reveals a class polarization pitting capitalists against the working class. The fact is that all Ayatollahs of both Islamic factions are "market-oriented capitalists," and each faction has its own share of middle-class and working-class support. As part of his crude populist strategy, Ahmadinejad moved around the country, virtually with sacks of money. He was lucky that his presidency coincided with amazing increases in oil prices (oil provides more than 50 per cent of government revenues). This gave him much popularity among the poor and in rural areas, although with rising unemployment and inflation, the working poor have become more and more disillusioned.

Millions of people are on the allowance list of the religious foundations, and the regime uses them at the polling stations and in street demonstrations.

Through a so-called privatization program, Ahmadinejad has transferred many of the profit-making industries under the control of the government to his cronies, the top clerics, and top Islamic guard generals and their families. A well-known case involves one of his closest friends, Sadeq Mahsooli, an unemployed youth at the time of the revolution, who is now worth more than $160 million, as was disclosed during a parliamentary review. In many cases, ayatollahs have gotten loans from government banks, bought factories way below the market value, not even paid back the loan, and then sold the factory in the TSE. Those of Ayatollah Yazdi and Emami Kashani are among well-known cases.

Thus a class of nouveau-riche that emerged from the time of Rafsanjani expanded under Ahmadinejad. One of the most intriguing comments I have heard on this is that Ahmadinejad is creating a "national bourgeoisie." This is baseless. Even if the notion of "national" bourgeoisie made any sense in the age of globalization, some of the individuals who were historically considered part of Iran’s national bourgeoisie have either been driven out of their industries or ended up in jail.

To check the claim that this is the government of the oppressed, we should look at poverty and also income-inequality figures. Based on a study by an Iranian economist, Javad Salehi-Isfahani, the poverty rate based on the "half-the-mean" calculation (whereby anyone with per-capita expenditures less than 50 per cent of the national mean is poor) shows that 33.9 per cent of the Iranian population lives below the poverty line. Based on the "half-the-median" calculation, this figure is 18.7 per cent, or 14 million people.

In terms of income distribution, which was one of the things Ahmadinejad promised, the Gini coefficient of inequality (a measure of dispersion between zero and one, zero being most equal, and one being most unequal) the figure for Iran is .445. This is among the worst in the whole Middle East – worse than that of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, etc. (the figures for the Arab Sheikhdoms are not available – they better hide the data!). It is interesting to note that in the first two years of Ahmadinejad, this figure increased from .435 to .445.

A better measure for income inequality is the deciles distribution. On the basis of household expenditures, the lowest decile (poorest) per-capita per-day expenditure was about $8, and the top (richest) decile was 17 times higher. More interesting is the fact that compared with a year earlier, the lowest decile increased by 2.7 per cent, while the highest decile increased by 7.9 per cent. Under Ahmadinejad, the rich got richer, and the poor got poorer.

His most recent policy relates to government subsidies. Setting aside its economic merits, which I will discuss later, this policy is a political one, as Ahmadinejad wants to change subsidies to handouts for particular groups of people to keep them dependent and loyal.

Myth No. 4: The regime’s economy is based on moral Islamic economics.

The Iranian economy is under the control of four interwoven sub-sectors: the government; the Pasdaran, or the Islamic Corps; the Bonyads, or the religious foundations; and the bazaar and private sector. Each sub-sector has its own industrial complexes. In three decades, the regime was transformed from a clerical oligarchy to a military-clerical one, and then to a military-industrial-clerical oligarchy. Six religious foundations control more than 20 per cent of the GDP, almost as much as the oil sector. The Mostazaafan Foundation alone has 172 major manufacturing industries. The Islamic Guard Corps is involved in all sectors of economy.

One of the most amusing perceptions about the present regime in Iran is that its economic system is different from a market economy. The so-called interest-free banking in Iran began by a decree of Khomeini and was implemented on the same day. You may ask how they could introduce such a big change so quickly. Well, it’s simple. In Farsi we have an expression: "Kolah-e shar’i" (Shati’a hat). Any time an act is perceived to be against the religious edicts, you put a religious hat on it and the problem is solved! So instead of charging "bahreh" (interest), our banks charge "kar-mozd" (fees) that amount to more or less the equivalent of bahreh.

The Iranian economy is marred by corruption, mismanagement, and embezzlement, and there is nothing moral about it. The reason the regime is moving towards removing the subsidies on all major commodities and facing enormous price hikes and the ensuing political unrest is that they can no longer afford not to. Subsidies are estimated to be $100 billion, almost one-quarter of the GDP. Of course they also want to tackle the decades-long stagflation and economic crisis that has remained from the time of the revolution.

All in all, we can argue that the Islamic regime in Iran does not fit the paradigm promoted by its propaganda machine and repeated by some misinformed intellectuals in the West.

Even if we assume that these claims were correct, can supporters of the Islamic Republic justify the brutal and barbarian system of governance and suppression? How can the working class improve its lot without trade unions, which are banned by the regime, and when many of the workers’ leaders are in jail? Should Iranian women embrace pre-medieval misogynist policies of the regime, because it is "anti-imperialist" not to? Should Iranian students, intellectuals, and artists abandon their demand for freedom of expression because the government gives handouts to some of the poor?

The Iranian people are caught between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, they are suffering under this brutal, archaic regime, and on the other, their country is surrounded by imperialist powers occupying the neighbouring countries and is in danger of being invaded and bombed.

The right and the far right led by American and Israeli hawks now want to bomb and invade Iran and are naive enough not to understand the terrible consequences of such action. Ahmadinejad uses this same threat to strengthen his status. Both sides have used the nuclear enrichment issue as a main excuse for confrontation.

Iranians have not forgotten that it was the American and British imperialists who toppled the democratically elected government of Mohammad Mossadeq about 60 years ago, installing their own man in power. Islamic fundamentalism is a by-product of those same politics.

If we have learned one lesson from the revolution, it is that it is wrong to choose the lesser of two evils. We must confront both.

This article was a presentation given by the author at a debate organized by the Iranian Human Rights Society and Founders College at York University in Toronto on Nov. 25, 2010.

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=75030

[k9]

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Waarom zouden 16 intel diensten daar over liegen?

Een VS rapport van 4 jaar geleden?

Aangezien er sindsdien nog geen verandering over gemeld is, geld dat statement nog steeds.

Jawael de VN zegt enkele maanden geleden dat ze vermoed at iran weld egelijk eraan werkt.

[k9]

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ten eerste hij had ze en gebruikte ze ook vraag dit maar aan de Koerden...

Ik sprak van na 2000.

ten tweede informeer je beter er zijn namelijk wel restanten gevonden zij het niet de aantallen zoals voorgesteld om het land binnen te vallen

Er is niks gevonden van enig nut, er is niks gevonden dat aantoonde dat iraq na 2000 nog zo'n programma had.

[Kasumi]

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Een VS rapport van 4 jaar geleden?


Jawael de VN zegt enkele maanden geleden dat ze vermoed at iran weld egelijk eraan werkt.

Jaja, dat "vermoeden" is er al 15 jaar. Elke 6 maand sindsdien zouden ze de bom hebben.

[Dixie]

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Je moet maar durven...

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Genoeg zo voor je? Gezien het aantal gruwelijk, door de CIA aangeleerde, martelmethoden en "verdwenen" politieke tegenstanders, begrijp ik niet dat er niet DAGELIJKS 9/11 aanslagen worden gepleegd.

of hoe je jezelf belachelijk maakt

[Dixie]

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Hadden ze dat maar gedaan , de bevolking is er geen reet beter van geworden. Zelfs saddams grootste vijanden in Irak zeggen dat de Amerikaanse inval beter niet had kunnen plaatsvinden.

het is niet omdat jij iets 100 keer verteld dit de waarheid is...
het is weer mooi hoe jij dat verwerpelijke Saddamregime in de verdediging neemt...

[Dixie]

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Ik sprak van na 2000.


Er is niks gevonden van enig nut, er is niks gevonden dat aantoonde dat iraq na 2000 nog zo'n programma had.

waarom na 2000? had ie wmd's JA heeft hij ze gebruikt JA heeft de VS dit aangedikt spijtig genoeg JA was dit nodig om het verderfelijke regime te verwijderen NEE!

[Antoon]

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Er bestaan blijkbaar veel misconcepties en leugens over Iran, ingeprent door de corporate media van landen die op oorlogspad zijn.

Hoofd mythes met beknopte uitleg. Meer uitleg en meer mythes hier:

Key Myths About Iran - And the Facts

Myth: Iran is clearly pursuing nuclear weapons.




MYTH: Iran has vowed to wipe Israel off the map




MYTH: The Iranian leadership's religious beliefs render them undeterrable

Mythes?

1. Iran werkt aan de bom en ontkent het niet eens
2. Iran droomt ervan Israel van de kaart te vegen en haar President zegt het bij elke gelegenheid
3. Iran's tulbangekken zijn omwille van hun extreem islamisme onmogelijk tot redelijkheid te overtuigen

Klaar.

[Kasumi]

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Mythes?

1. Iran werkt aan de bom en ontkent het niet eens
2. Iran droomt ervan Israel van de kaart te vegen en haar President zegt het bij elke gelegenheid
3. Iran's tulbangekken zijn omwille van hun extreem islamisme onmogelijk tot redelijkheid te overtuigen

Klaar.

Leuk dat je de mythes even vertaalde.

[Antoon]

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Leuk dat je de mythes even vertaalde.

Ik som de feiten gewoon op. Mythes my ass.