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Oud 19 december 2006, 13:49   #11721
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Tja, dat is toch geen excuus?? Hoelang heeft het erniet ingezeten. Enb vandaag de dag worden er trouwens nog altijd vaccins met thiomersal toegediend. En het is niet thiomersal alleen.
Om de duizend posts komt dit vaccingedoe terug.

Gecommercialiseerd in de jaren 30, in vaccins. Dus zou het makkelijk moeten zijn om een oorzakelijk verband aan te tonen tussen het gebruik van thiomersal en neurologische aandoeningen. Wat tot op heden niet duidelijk is aangetoond.

Voor alle duidelijkheid, thiomersal wordt niet meer gebruikt in pediatrische vaccins sedert 2003 (in de VS, Europa hinkt natuurlijk achter).

De vaccins met thiomersal zijn specifiek voor volwassenen (tetanus, om er 1tje te noemen).
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Oud 19 december 2006, 14:27   #11722
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Om de duizend posts komt dit vaccingedoe terug.

Gecommercialiseerd in de jaren 30, in vaccins. Dus zou het makkelijk moeten zijn om een oorzakelijk verband aan te tonen tussen het gebruik van thiomersal en neurologische aandoeningen. Wat tot op heden niet duidelijk is aangetoond.

Voor alle duidelijkheid, thiomersal wordt niet meer gebruikt in pediatrische vaccins sedert 2003 (in de VS, Europa hinkt natuurlijk achter).

De vaccins met thiomersal zijn specifiek voor volwassenen (tetanus, om er 1tje te noemen).
En dan?
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Oud 19 december 2006, 17:11   #11723
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Tony Blair had geen enkele invloed op Amerikaans buitenlandbeleid




De Britse premier Tony Blair heeft nooit enige invloed kunnen uitoefenen op het buitenlandse beleid van zijn grootste bondgenoot, VS-president George Bush. Dat stelt dinsdag het prestigieuze Instituut voor Internationale Betrekkingen (Chatham House) in een rapport. Het wat vreemde huwelijk tussen een "Labour"-politicus en een rechtse Republikein is in Londen jarenlang vergoelijkt met de bemerking dat Blair een "temperende invloed" had op de Amerikaanse president.

"De grootste mislukking van Tony Blair op het gebied van buitenlands beleid is zijn onvermogen om de regering Bush te beinvloeden ondanks enorme opofferingen op militair, politiek en financieel gebied", zo luidt de harde conclusie. Blair heeft tot zijn schande geleerd dat loyauteit in de internationale politiek van weinig tel is, aldus Chatham House.

Het rapport zorgde meteen voor deining in Downing Street. Minister van Buitenlandse Zaken Margaret Beckett bestempelde het prompt als "belachelijk en onjuist". Zij ontkent tevens dat door de bezetting van Irak de toestand in het Midden-Oosten er nog op verslechterd is.

Ook op andere vlakken is het Chatham-rapport niet mals voor de leider van New Labour. Zo stelt Victor Bulmer-Thomas, ontslagnemend directeur van Chatham House, dat de invasie van Irak een "enorme vergissing" en een "debacle" was, en dat de gevolgen ervan nog lang nadat Blair Number Ten heeft verlaten, zullen nazinderen. Eveneens een vergissing van enorme omvang was de poging om de invasie te rechtvaardigen door te argumenteren dat Saddam over massavernietigingswapens zou beschikt hebben. Of die beschuldigingen "opgeblazen dan wel geheel verzonnen" waren, moet nog opgehelderd worden, meent Bulmer-Thomas.

Het rapport neemt het Blair voorts kwalijk dat de premier zijn (vermeende) invloed in Washington steeds overschat heeft. Chatham House geeft de opvolger(s) van Blair dan ook de raad, nauwer met Europa samen te werken en geen "onvoorwaardelijke steun" aan het buitenlandse VS-beleid meer te geven. (belga/dm)
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Dus welke plaats nam de RIIA weer in de NWO? En is de oorlog in Irak een NWO-product of niet?

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Oud 19 december 2006, 17:15   #11724
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een snelle wikipedia look up leerde mij dat de RIIA altijd al sceptisch stond tegenover de Irak-oorlog. Het heeft een burgeroorlog en een splitsing voorzien...

al kan je natuurlijk zeggen dat dit uiteindelijk de bedoeling van de NWO geweest is...
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Oud 19 december 2006, 17:41   #11725
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een snelle wikipedia look up leerde mij dat de RIIA altijd al sceptisch stond tegenover de Irak-oorlog. Het heeft een burgeroorlog en een splitsing voorzien...

al kan je natuurlijk zeggen dat dit uiteindelijk de bedoeling van de NWO geweest is...
Ik pak alles dat in de mainstream verschijnt met een grote korrel zout. Maar goed, het zou wel kunnen dat de RIIA erniuet echt een voorstander van was, op voorgaande Bilderberg was het gerapporteerd dat de Europese elite de oorlog in Irak veel langer wou uitstellen. De RIIA is de oude Europse kant van de NWO. Rumsfeld heeft hun dan nog beloofd dat de Irak oorlog uitgesteld werd wat dan ook gebeurd is.
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ok, de Bush-regering, de de neo-cons, PNAC enz... dat is vrij duidelijk: het midden-oosten manu militari overnemen!

maar welke plaats verdient de RIIA dan in dit picture? Zo te zien heeft ie er niet veel mee te maken, ach ja, het sprak zich uit TEGEN een invasie.

Nochtans wordt in de NWO-theorie de RIIA opdezelfde lijn geplaatst als pakweg PNAC...

geeft een beetje wrevel, vind je niet?

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ok, de Bush-regering, de de neo-cons, PNAC enz... dat is vrij duidelijk: het midden-oosten manu militari overnemen!

maar welke plaats verdient de RIIA dan in dit picture? Zo te zien heeft ie er niet veel mee te maken, ach ja, het sprak zich uit TEGEN een invasie.

Nochtans wordt in de NWO-theorie de RIIA opdezelfde lijn geplaatst als pakweg PNAC...

geeft een beetje wrevel, vind je niet?
Niet echt, ze zijn beide elitaire organisaties, maar binnen de NWO kan er ook onenigheid zijn over bepaalde agendapunten. Ik vind daar niets verwonderlijks aan...
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Hier nog een beetje informatie over de esoterische kant van negatief georiënteerde entiteiten die voornamelijk inzitten met controle. Dit komt overeen met het standpunt van sommige NWO onderzoeker die in de NWO ook een esoterische controle zien vanuit andere dimensies over de mensheid. Negatieve entiteiten zouden ervoor kiezen te incarneren in elitaire bloedlijnen.

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A negatively oriented individual mind/body/spirit complex will ordinarily program for wealth, ease of existence, and the utmost opportunity for power. Thus many negative entities burst with the physical complex distortion you call health.
However, a negatively oriented entity may choose a painful condition in order to improve the distortion toward the so-called negative emotive mentations such as anger, hatred, and frustration. Such an entity may use an entire incarnative experience honing a blunt edge of hatred or anger so that it may polarize more towards the negative or separated pole.
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Sommige bekende tv-mensen in Amerika zeggen dat kritische stemmen tegen het beleid verraders zijn en dat ze geïnterneerd zouden moeten worden in kampen. Toont aan hoever men wil gaan, express of niet-express, in de hielen te likken van het establishment.

Feit is dat die kampen bestaan, opgericht door FEMA.
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Congress preserves and improves internment camps and neocon critics call for them to be used to contain "traitors"


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In a discussion concerning Joy Behar comparing Donald Rumsfeld to Hitler, a Fox News guest yesterday asserted that people like her should be rounded up and put in detention camps because they are traitors.

As reported by Fox watchdog newshounds, The program was Fox On Line with Bill Hemmer, his guest was right wing radio host, Mike Gallagher. As Gallagher moved into a tirade against free speech, left wing radio host, Rob Thompson, who was the "fair and balanced" element of the piece, reminded Gallagher what America is and what having free speech means:
Mike Gallagher: You know it's a little bit ridiculous that we continue to watch these TV stars and movie stars who smear our leaders. I just wonder, Rob, if you'll think for a moment what our enemies think of seeing TV personalities comparing the outgoing Defense Secretary to Adolph Hitler.
I mean, you know, conservatives never get a pass. Strom Thurmond is wished a Happy Birthday by Trent Lott and the sky falls in on Trent Lott. But if Joy Behar goes on national TV and compares a good man like Rumsfeld to the evilest man in the world and there's no repercussions for Joy Behar. You know, I think we should round up all of these folks. Round up Joy Behar, round up Matt Damon, who last night on MSNBC attacked George Bush and Dick Cheney. Round up Olbermann, take the whole bunch of them and put them in a detention camp until this war is over because they're a bunch of traitors.
Rob Thompson: They're not traitors, they're Americans. You know what the great thing about America is? You get to say what you like and you don't get thrown into detention camps...
MG:..No, you don't...
RT: ...And that's what the rest of the world sees. They see free Americans say what they like without having any fear of going to jail. So, if I wanted to compare someone to Hitler or anybody else, Pol Pot, whatever it might be, I have no fear of going to jail because that is what an America is.
MG: There's such a thing as treason, Rob.
RT: That's not treason. That's just political talk and satire and it's a little funny at the least.
Witness the bizarre logic of saying you cannot compare to Hitler someone who illegally invades other countries and sanctions torture of their citizens as well as erecting a police state at home. These idiots demonize such allegations against their ilk as the frothing of "leftist internet junkies" while at the same time calling for internment camps to be used against law abiding American citizens in a Hitler-esque fashion.



Who are the real traitors? The Americans who criticize torture and pre-emptive war, or the Americans who go along with it and call for detention camps for anyone who is critical, be it movie stars, news readers, comedians or Billy Bob who works in the gas station?
Satire is a biting behemoth form of political commentary because it separates the wheat from the chaff, the intellectual voices of reason and students of political wisdom from the blockheaded numbskull yes men that would happily throw themselves off a cliff if they believed it was what President Bush wanted them to do.
The art of satire is an alien concept to these neocon lapdogs, primarily because they do not have brains logical enough to decipher serious commentary from incisive satirical wit. These are the kind of people you see on the daily show who don't realise it is not a serious political news show. They totally fail to grasp the fact that just by being there they create their own downfall and prove Jon Stewart's point before he has even told us what it is.

No you morons, Matt Damon did not literally mean he wanted to see the Bush twins running around an Iraqi desert getting shot at by insurgents when he said why not send them there. He was attempting to make a point by highlighting the double standards that you lapdog fools engage in every second you open your mouth and defend the indefensible.

Unfortunately these type of commentators make up a great deal of the new output of the major stations. Even more unfortunately, their suggestions may not be so ridiculous as far as the Bush crime syndicate are concerned.
As reported earlier this month, one of the last acts of Congress was to send President Bush a bill that establishes a $38 million program of National Park Service grants to preserve Japanese POW internment camps in Hawaii, California, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah and Idaho. Is this really in the name of historical interest or does it dovetail with programs on the books to intern hundreds of thousands of dissidents in a time of crisis?
During the Iran Contra hearings in the 80's, previously classified information came to light about Continuity of Government (CoG) procedures in times of national crisis. The masterminds behind these programs were Oliver North, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney and the Rex-84 'readiness exercise' discussed the plan to round up immigrants and detain them in internment camps in the context of uncontrolled population movements across the Mexican border.



The real agenda was to use the cover of rounding up immigrants and illegal aliens as a smokescreen for targeting political dissidents and American citizens . From 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list.
Since 9/11 shadow government and CoG programs that were outlined in Rex-84 have been activated, including mass warrantless wiretapping of American citizens. The internment camp program is being readied for execution following the announcement on January 24th that Halliburton subsidiary KBR (formerly Brown and Root) had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps.
Footage of a FEMA facility recently surfaced that reveals the model for the upcoming camps

Under the enemy combatant designation anyone at the behest of the US government, even if they are a US citizen, can be kidnapped and placed in an internment facility forever without trial. Jose Padilla, an American citizen, has spent over four years in a Navy brig.
So we have a government that will have the right to strip American people of their citizenship, we have current internment camps being restored and pristine new ones being built, and we have a lapdog media not questioning this but instead asserting that anyone who does question it should be thrown into the camps

What was that about Hitler again?
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*zucht*

Der zijn vaccins die geen thiomersal bevatten.

Meer nog, thiomersal wordt al sinds 2001 vermeden in kindervaccins. De fabrikanten van vaccins die wel thiomersal bevatten, schakelen over op andere bewaarmiddelen. Die stoute grote boze samenzwering van de Farmaindustrie toch...
Zucht: en lees het nou eens! pfff

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Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests

A retired vaccine researcher goes public on what the pharmaceutical industry and the health authorities don't want us to know: that vaccines are unsafe, untested and one of the greatest frauds of our time.

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Statistics and Propaganda
How many Americans really die of the flu each year? Ask the American Lung Association. Better yet, read their own report from August 2004, titled "Trends in Pneumonia and Influenza/Morbidity and Mortality". This report comes from the Research and Scientific Affairs Epidemiology and Statistics Unit. At the bottom of the document, the source is listed as the National Center for Health Statistics, "Report of Final Mortality Statistics, 1979–2001".
Get ready for some surprises, especially since the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) keeps trumpeting flu-death annual numbers as 36,000. Like clockwork. Year in and year out, 36,000 people in the US die from the flu every year. Killer disease. Watch out! Get your flu shot. Every autumn. Don't wait. You might fall over dead in the street!
Here are the total influenza deaths from the report (from 1979 to 1995, the stats were released every two years):
1979: 604;
1981: 3,006;
1983: 1,431;
1985: 2,054;
1987: 632;
1989: 1,593;
1991: 1,137;
1993: 1,044;
1995: 606;
1996: 745;
1997: 720;
1998: 1,724;
1999: 1,665;
2000: 1765;
2001: 257.
Don't believe me? Here is the page: http://www.lungusa.org/atf/cf/%7B7A8...256%7D/PI1.PDF. Get there and go to page nine of the document. Then start scrolling down until you come to the chart for flu deaths as a separate category.
Recently, Tommy Thompson, head of US Health and Human Services, stated that 91 per cent of the people who die from the flu in the US every year are 65 and older. So you might engage in a little arithmetic and figure out how many people under 65 are really dying from the flu each year. But no matter. The raw all-ages stats are low enough. Quite low enough. Quite, quite.
Do you see what is going on here? You can go into my archive and read recent pieces on this subject and find my argument for those who blithely claim, "Well, harumph, you see, uh, ah, flu often leads to pneumonia and that's why we have to be so careful about the flu. Deaths from pneumonia are in large numbers, harumph, blah blah blah..."
It's a straight con, folks. The CDC is on a street corner with a little table, and there are shills walking around repeating the 36,000 deaths figure while the PR flacks at the table are working the vaccine angle. The crowd is getting restless. A man shouts, "Where is my flu shot? We're all going to die!" Meanwhile, on Capitol Hill, Congress is planning a measure that will guarantee vaccine manufacturers annual billion-dollar payoffs, no matter how many doses are left over unused.
Now that a much clearer picture emerges of the low number of flu deaths in the US each year, it's only natural to revisit the issue of vaccines. Minus the hysteria about "high numbers of flu deaths" and the "pressing need to get the vaccine", what we are really dealing with? The answer is PR. Propaganda is being used to artificially inflate flu statistics and thereby drive people into doctors' offices and clinics to get their shots. So what about vaccines? How safe and effective are they?
I have long warned about the dangers of vaccines, especially for babies and young children, whose immune systems are not capable of coping with the many contaminants and toxic preservatives in vaccines. There are other reasons why even adults should avoid them. Now, for the first time, a former insider from within the vaccine industry has agreed to talk about the dangers of vaccines.
"Dr Mark Randall" is the pseudonym of a former vaccine researcher who worked for many years in the laboratories of major pharmaceutical houses and the US government's National Institutes of Health. He is now retired and has reluctantly agreed to speak out. In my opinion, his testimony matches all the other claims that I have studied in past years.
This interview that follows is important not only because of Dr Randall's intimate knowledge of vaccine dangers but for his testimony about the inside workings and cover-ups between government and the vaccine industry—the two sources that keep trying to assure Americans that they can be trusted. This major excerpt is perhaps the best single written summary of the back-up evidence for the case against immunisations.
INTERVIEW WITH A FORMER VACCINE RESEARCHER
Q (Jon Rappoport): You were once certain that vaccines were the hallmark of good medicine.
A (Dr Mark Randall): Yes, I was. I helped develop a few vaccines. I won't say which ones.
Q: Why not?
A: I want to preserve my privacy.
Q: So you think you could have problems if you came out into the open?
A: I believe I could lose my pension.
Q: On what grounds?
A: The grounds don't matter. These people have ways of causing you problems, when you were once "part of the Club". I know one or two people who were put under surveillance, who were harassed.
Q: Harassed by whom?
A: The FBI.
Q: Really?
A: Sure. The FBI used other pretexts. And the IRS can come calling, too.
Q: So much for free speech.
A: I was "part of the inner circle". If now I began to name names and make specific accusations against researchers, I could be in a world of trouble.
Q: Do you believe that people should be allowed to choose whether they should get vaccines?
A: On a political level, yes. On a scientific level, people need information so that they can choose well. It's one thing to say choice is good. But if the atmosphere is full of lies, how can you choose? Also, if the FDA were run by honourable people, these vaccines would not be granted licences. They would be investigated to within an inch of their lives.
Q: There are medical historians who state that the overall decline of illnesses was not due to vaccines.
A: I know. For a long time I ignored their work.
Q: Why?
A: Because I was afraid of what I would find out. I was in the business of developing vaccines. My livelihood depended on continuing that work.
Q: And then?
A: I did my own investigation.
Q: What conclusions did you come to?
A: The decline of disease is due to improved living conditions.
Q: What conditions?
A: Cleaner water. Advanced sewage systems. Nutrition. Fresher food. A decrease in poverty. Germs may be everywhere, but when you are healthy you don't contract the diseases as easily.
Q: What did you feel when you completed your own investigation?
A: Despair. I realised I was working in a sector based on a collection of lies.
Q: Are some vaccines more dangerous than others?
A: Yes. The DPT shot, for example. The MMR. But some lots of a vaccine are more dangerous than other lots of the same vaccine. As far as I'm concerned, all vaccines are dangerous.
Q: Why?
A: Several reasons. They involve the human immune system in a process that tends to compromise immunity. They can actually cause the disease they are supposed to prevent.
Q: Why are we quoted statistics which seem to prove that vaccines have been tremendously successful at wiping out diseases?
A: Why? To give the illusion that these vaccines are useful. If a vaccine suppresses visible symptoms of a disease like measles, everyone assumes that the vaccine is a success. But, under the surface, the vaccine can harm the immune system itself. And if it causes other diseases—say, meningitis—that fact is masked, because no one believes that the vaccine can do that. The connection is overlooked.
Q: It is said that the smallpox vaccine wiped out smallpox in England.
A: Yes. But when you study the available statistics, you get another picture.
Q: Which is?
A: There were cities in England where people who were not vaccinated did not get smallpox. There were places where people who were vaccinated experienced smallpox epidemics. And smallpox was already on the decline before the vaccine was introduced.
Q: So you're saying that we have been treated to a false history.
A: Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. This is a history that has been cooked up to convince people that vaccines are invariably safe and effective.
Vaccine contamination
Q: Now, you worked in labs where purity is an issue.
A: The public believes that these labs, these manufacturing facilities, are the cleanest places in the world. That is not true. Contamination occurs all the time. You get all sorts of debris introduced into vaccines.
Q: For example, the SV40 monkey virus slips into the polio vaccine.
A: Well yes, that happened. But that's not what I mean. The SV40 got into the polio vaccine because the vaccine was made by using monkey kidneys. But I'm talking about something else. The actual lab conditions. The mistakes. The careless errors. SV40, which was later found in cancer tumours...that was what I would call a structural problem. It was an accepted part of the manufacturing process. If you use monkey kidneys, you open the door to germs which you don't know are in those kidneys.
Q: Okay, but let's ignore that distinction between different types of contaminants for a moment. What contaminants did you find in your many years of work with vaccines?
A: All right. I'll give you some of what I came across, and I'll also give you what colleagues of mine found. Here's a partial list. In the Rimavex measles vaccine, we found various chicken viruses. In polio vaccine, we found acanthamoeba, which is a so-called "brain-eating" amoeba. Simian cytomegalovirus in polio vaccine. Simian foamy virus in the rotavirus vaccine. Bird-cancer viruses in the MMR vaccine. Various micro-organisms in the anthrax vaccine. I've found potentially dangerous enzyme inhibitors in several vaccines. Duck, dog and rabbit viruses in the rubella vaccine. Avian leucosis virus in the flu vaccine. Pestivirus in the MMR vaccine.
Q: Let me get this straight. These are all contaminants which don't belong in the vaccines.
A: That's right. And if you try to calculate what damage these contaminants can cause, well, we don't really know because no testing has been done, or very little testing. It's a game of roulette. You take your chances. Also, most people don't know that some polio vaccines, adenovirus vaccines, rubella, hep[atitis] A and measles vaccines have been made with aborted human foetal tissue. I have found what I believed were bacterial fragments and polio virus in these vaccines from time to time, which may have come from that foetal tissue. When you look for contaminants in vaccines, you can come up with material that is puzzling. You know it shouldn't be there, but you don't know exactly what you've got. I have found what I believed was a very small "fragment" of human hair and also human mucus. I have found what can only be called "foreign protein", which could mean almost anything. It could mean protein from viruses.
Q: Alarm bells are ringing all over the place.
A: How do you think I felt? Remember, this material is going into the bloodstream without passing through some of the ordinary immune defences.
Q: How were your findings received?
A: Basically, it was "Don't worry; this can't be helped". In making vaccines, you use various animals' tissue, and that's where this kind of contamination enters in. Of course, I'm not even mentioning the standard chemicals like formaldehyde, mercury and aluminum [aluminium] which are purposely put into vaccines [as preservatives].
Q: This information is pretty staggering.
A: Yes. And I'm just mentioning some of the biological contaminants. Who knows how many others there are. Others we don't find because we don't think to look for them. If tissue from, say, a bird is used to make a vaccine, how many possible germs can be in that tissue? We have no idea. We have no idea what they might be, or what effects they could have on humans.
False assumptions about vaccine safety
Q: And beyond the purity issue?
A: You are dealing with the basic faulty premise about vaccines: that they intricately stimulate the immune system to create the conditions for immunity from disease. That is the bad premise. It doesn't work that way. A vaccine is supposed to "create" antibodies which, indirectly, offer protection against disease. However, the immune system is much larger and more involved than antibodies and their related "killer" cells.
Q: The immune system is...?
A: The entire body, really. Plus the mind. It's all immune system, you might say. That is why you can have, in the middle of an epidemic, those individuals who remain healthy.
Q: So the level of general health is important.
A: More than important. Vital.
Q: How are vaccine statistics falsely presented?
A: There are many ways. For example, suppose that 25 people who have received the hepatitis B vaccine come down with hepatitis. Well, hep B is a liver disease. But you can call liver disease many things. You can change the diagnosis. Then you've concealed the root cause of the problem.
Q: And that happens?
A: All the time. It has to happen, if the doctors automatically assume that people who get vaccines do not come down with the diseases they are now supposed to be protected from. And that is exactly what doctors assume. You see, it's circular reasoning. It's a closed system. It admits no fault. No possible fault. If a person who gets a vaccine against hepatitis gets hepatitis or gets some other disease, the automatic assumption is that this has nothing to do with the vaccine.
Q: In your years working in the vaccine establishment, how many doctors did you encounter who admitted that vaccines were a problem?
A: None. There were a few [researchers working within drug companies] who privately questioned what they were doing. But they would never go public, even within their companies.
Q: What was the turning point for you?
A: I had a friend whose child died after a DPT shot.
Q: Did you investigate?
A: Yes, informally. I found that this child was completely healthy before the vaccination. There was no reason for his death, except the vaccine. That started my doubts. Of course, I wanted to believe that the child had got a bad shot from a bad lot. But as I looked into this further, I found that was not the case in this instance. I was being drawn into a spiral of doubt that increased over time. I continued to investigate. I found that, contrary to what I thought, vaccines are not tested in a scientific way.
Q: What do you mean?
A: For example, no proper long-term studies are done on any vaccines using a control group. Part of what I mean is, no correct and deep follow-up is done, taking into account the fact that vaccines can induce, over time, various symptoms and serious problems which fall outside the range of the disease for which the person was vaccinated. Again, the assumption is made that vaccines do not cause problems. So why should anyone check? On top of that, a vaccine reaction is defined so that all bad reactions are said to occur very soon after the shot is given. But that does not make sense.
Q: Why doesn't it make sense?
A: Because the vaccine obviously acts in the body for a long period of time after it is given. A reaction can be gradual. Deterioration can be gradual. Neurological problems can develop over time. They do in various conditions, even according to a conventional analysis. So why couldn't that be the case with vaccines? If chemical poisoning can occur gradually, why couldn't that be the case with a vaccine which contains mercury?
Q: And that is what you found?
A: Yes. You are dealing with correlations most of the time. Correlations are not perfect. But if you get 500 parents whose children have suffered neurological damage during a one-year period after having a vaccine, this should be sufficient to spark off an intense investigation.
Q: Has it been enough?
A: No. Never. This tells you something right away.
Q: Which is...?
A: The people doing the investigation are not really interested in looking at the facts. They assume that the vaccines are safe. So, when they do investigate, they invariably come up with exonerations of the vaccines. They say, "This vaccine is safe". But what do they base those judgements on? They base them on definitions and ideas which automatically rule out a condemnation of the vaccine.
Q: There are numerous cases where a vaccine campaign has failed, where people have come down with the disease against which they were vaccinated.
A: Yes, there are many such instances. And there the evidence is simply ignored. It's discounted. The experts say, if they say anything at all, that this is just an isolated situation but overall the vaccine has been shown to be safe. But if you add up all the vaccine campaigns where damage and disease have occurred, you realise that these are not isolated situations.
Competing interests
Q: Did you ever discuss what we are talking about here with colleagues when you were still working in the vaccine establishment?
A: Yes, I did.
Q: What happened?
A: Several times I was told to keep quiet. It was made clear that I should go back to work and forget my misgivings. On a few occasions I encountered fear. Colleagues tried to avoid me. They felt they could be labelled with "guilt by association". All in all, though, I behaved myself. I made sure I didn't create problems for myself.
Q: If vaccines actually do harm, why are they given?
A: First of all, there is no "if". They do harm. It becomes a more difficult question to decide whether they do harm in those people who seem to show no harm. Then you are dealing with the kind of research which should be done, but isn't. Researchers should be probing to discover a kind of map, or flow chart, which shows exactly what vaccines do in the body from the moment they enter. This research has not been done. As to why they are given, we could sit here for two days and discuss all the reasons. As you've said many times, at different layers of the system people have their motives: money, fear of losing a job, the desire to win brownie points, prestige, awards, promotion, misguided idealism, unthinking habit, and so on...
Q: The furore over the hepatitis B vaccine seems one good avenue.
A: I think so, yes. To say that babies must have the vaccine and then, in the next breath, admitting that a person gets hepatitis B from sexual contacts and shared needles is a ridiculous juxtaposition. Medical authorities try to cover themselves by saying that 20,000 or so children in the US get hep B every year from "unknown causes", and that's why every baby must have the vaccine. I dispute that 20,000 figure and the so-called studies that back it up.
Q: Andrew Wakefield, the British MD who uncovered the link between the MMR vaccine and autism, has just been fired from his job in a London hospital.
A: Yes. Wakefield performed a great service. His correlations between the vaccine and autism are stunning...
Q: I know that a Hollywood celebrity, stating publicly that he will not take a vaccine, is committing career suicide.
A: Hollywood is linked very powerfully to the medical cartel. There are several reasons, but one of them is simply that an actor who is famous can draw a huge amount of publicity if he says anything. In 1992, I was present at your demonstration against the FDA in downtown Los Angeles. One or two actors spoke against the FDA. Since that time, you would be hard pressed to find an actor who has spoken out in any way against the medical cartel.
Q: Within the National Institutes of Health, what is the mood, what is the basic frame of mind?
A: People are competing for research monies. The last thing they think about is challenging the status quo. They are already in an intramural war for that money. They don't need more trouble. This is a very insulated system. It depends on the idea that, by and large, modern medicine is very successful on every frontier. To admit systemic problems in any area is to cast doubt on the whole enterprise.
You might therefore think that NIH is the last place one should think about holding demonstrations. But just the reverse is true. If five thousand people showed up there demanding an accounting of the actual benefits of that research system, demanding to know what real health benefits have been conferred on the public from the billions of wasted dollars funnelled to that facility, something might start. A spark might go off. You might get, with further demonstrations, all sorts of fallout. Researchers, a few, might start leaking information.
Q: A good idea.
A: People in suits standing as close to the buildings as the police will allow. People in business suits, in jogging suits, mothers and babies. Well-off people. Poor people. All sorts of people.
Q: What about the combined destructive power of a number of vaccines given to babies these days?
A: It is a travesty and a crime. There are no real studies of any depth which have been done on that. Again, the assumption is made that vaccines are safe, and therefore any number of vaccines given together is safe as well. But the truth is, vaccines are not safe. Therefore the potential damage increases when you give many of them in a short time period.
Q: Then we have the fall flu season.
A: Yes. As if only in the autumn do these germs float into the US from Asia. The public swallows that premise. If it happens in April, it is a bad cold. If it happens in October, it is the flu.
Q: Do you regret having worked all those years in the vaccine field?
A: Yes. But after this interview, I'll regret it a little less. And I work in other ways. I give out information to certain people when I think they will use it well.
Burden of proof and the need for studies on vaccine safety
Q: What is one thing you want the public to understand?
A: That the burden of proof in establishing the safety and efficacy of vaccines is on the people who manufacture and license them for public use. Just that. The burden of proof is not on you or me. And for proof you need well-designed, long-term studies. You need extensive follow-up. You need to interview mothers and pay attention to what mothers say about their babies and what happens to them after vaccination. You need all these things—the things that are not there.
Q: The things that are not there.
A: Yes.
Q: To avoid any confusion, I'd like you to review, once more, the disease problems that vaccines can cause—which diseases, how that happens...
A: We are basically talking about two potential, harmful outcomes. One, the person gets the disease from the vaccine. He gets the disease which the vaccine is supposed to protect him from, because some version of the disease is in the vaccine to begin with. Or two, he doesn't get that disease, but at some later time, maybe right away, maybe not, he develops another condition which is caused by the vaccine. That condition could be autism—what's called autism—or it could be some other disease like meningitis. He could become mentally disabled.
Q: Is there any way to compare the relative frequency of these different outcomes?
A: No. Because the follow-up is poor. We can only guess. If you ask, out of a population of a hundred thousand children who get a measles vaccine, how many get the measles and how many develop other problems from the vaccine, there is no reliable answer. That is what I'm saying. Vaccines are superstitions. And with superstitions, you don't get facts you can use. You only get stories, most of which are designed to enforce the superstition. But, from many vaccine campaigns we can piece together a narrative that does reveal some very disturbing things. People have been harmed. The harm is real, and it can be deep and it can mean death. The harm is not limited to a few cases as we have been led to believe.
In the US, there are groups of mothers who are testifying about autism and childhood vaccines. They are coming forward and standing up at meetings. They are essentially trying to fill in the gap that has been created by the researchers and doctors who turn their backs on the whole thing.
Q: Let me ask you this. If you took a child in, say, Boston and you raised that child with good nutritious food and he exercised every day and he was loved by his parents and he didn't get the measles vaccine, what would be his health status compared with the average child in Boston who eats poorly and watches five hours of TV a day and gets the measles vaccine?
A: Of course there are many factors involved, but I would bet on the better health status for the first child. If he gets measles, if he gets it when he is nine, the chances are it will be much lighter than the measles the second child might get. I would bet on the first child every time.
Q: How long did you work with vaccines?
A: A long time. Longer than ten years.
Q: Looking back now, can you recall any good reason to say that vaccines are successful?
A: No, I can't. If I had a child now, the last thing I would allow is vaccination. I would move out of the state if I had to. I would change the family name. I would disappear. With my family. I'm not saying it would come to that. There are ways to sidestep the system with grace, if you know how to act. There are exemptions you can declare, in every State, based on religious and/or philosophic views. But if push came to shove, I would go on the move.
Q: And yet there are children everywhere who do get vaccines and appear to be healthy.
A: The operative word is "appear". What about all the children who can't focus on their studies? What about the children who have tantrums from time to time? What about the children who are not quite in possession of all their mental faculties? I know there are many causes for these things, but vaccines are one cause. I would not take the chance. I see no reason to take the chance. And frankly, I see no reason to allow the government to have the last word. Government medicine is, from my experience, often a contradiction in terms. You get one or the other, but not both.
Q: So we come to the level playing field.
A: Yes. Allow those who want the vaccines to take them. Allow the dissidents to decline to take them. But, as I said earlier, there is no level playing field if the field is strewn with lies. And when babies are involved, you have parents making all the decisions. Those parents need a heavy dose of truth. What about the child I spoke of who died from the DPT shot? What information did his parents act on? I can tell you it was heavily weighted. It was not real information.
Q: Medical PR people, in concert with the press, scare the hell out of parents with dire scenarios about what will happen if their kids don't get shots.
A: They make it seem a crime to refuse the vaccine. They equate it with bad parenting. You fight that with better information. It is always a challenge to buck the authorities. And only you can decide whether to do it. It is every person's responsibility to make up his[/her] mind. The medical cartel likes that bet. It is betting that the fear will win.

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'Dozens of eyewitness reports indicated that former vice president Al Gore deliberately attempted to raise the earth's temperature in order to boost box office receipts for An Inconvenient Truth, his documentary film about global warming that was released in May.

"We have accounts from concerned citizens that Mr. Gore purchased a Cadillac Escalade SUV several months before [his film] opened in theaters," said Kimberly Blume, spokeswoman for the California-based environmental group Friends Of The Earth. "Not only did Mr. Gore use his new gas-guzzler to make short trips to the grocery store, he also left the vehicle running 24 hours a day in the driveway of his Tennessee home with the air-conditioning on full-blast."'
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McVeigh Video Destroys OKC Bombing Official Story

'A video that shows Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh at a U.S. military base that specializes in explosives and demolition training over a year after he supposedly left the army puts the official story of the April 19 1995 federal building bombing under serious doubt and mandates a re-opening of an investigation into the terror attack that killed 168 people.

The video was released by Bill Bean, a film producer who has suffered intense surveillance and harassment since taking the footage, and is the subject of a February 2007 Hustler Magazine feature story.'
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Bush Cracks Down on Gitmo Detainees, Despite Overwhelming Evidence Most are Not Terrorists
'... all 83 Afghan captives sent back to Afghanistan were freed after the government there determined that most had simply been turned over to American forces because of "tribal or personal rivalries" and to collect ransoms being offered by US forces. Pakistan released 67 of 70 Pakistani captives returned to that country after it was determined they too were "innocent."

All 29 detainees repatriated to Britain, Spain, Germany, Russia, Australia, Turkey, Denmark, Bahrain and the Maldives, were freed within hours of being sent home by the U.S., which had delivered them bound hand and foot as "dangerous terrorists."'

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door AEvanLoon Bekijk bericht



Omdat de homepage van die website er nogal spooky en dus weinig wetenschappelijk uitziet?





Jezus!!! is DAT je kritiek??????





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Is de oproep van Al Qaida om de jihad tegen Israel op te voeren, als "enige weg om Palestina te bevrijden" (vandaag gelezen in de krant: Ayman Zawahiri zou dat gezegd hebben in een videoboodschap die door Al Jazeera is uitgezonden) een bewijs dat Al Qaida een mantelorganisatie van de NWO-elite is of juist het tegendeel: bewijst dit dat Al Qaida een koppige vijand van die hypotetische elite is, en dat juist de politiek van Israel en zijn bondgenoten in het verlengde ligt van de doelstellingen van de "NWO"?
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Is de oproep van Al Qaida om de jihad tegen Israel op te voeren, als "enige weg om Palestina te bevrijden" (vandaag gelezen in de krant: Ayman Zawahiri zou dat gezegd hebben in een videoboodschap die door Al Jazeera is uitgezonden) een bewijs dat Al Qaida een mantelorganisatie van de NWO-elite is of juist het tegendeel: bewijst dit dat Al Qaida een koppige vijand van die hypotetische elite is, en dat juist de politiek van Israel en zijn bondgenoten in het verlengde ligt van de doelstellingen van de "NWO"?
Die uitspraak bewijst op zich niets. De feiten wijzen aan dat Al Quada een grotendeels fake vijand is (alleszinds met de slagkracht dat de mainstream ze voorstelt en het publiek denkt dat ze hebben door de aansalgen) die de elite gebruikt om hun eien doelstellingen door te drukken.
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Is de oproep van Al Qaida om de jihad tegen Israel op te voeren, als "enige weg om Palestina te bevrijden" (vandaag gelezen in de krant: Ayman Zawahiri zou dat gezegd hebben in een videoboodschap die door Al Jazeera is uitgezonden) een bewijs dat Al Qaida een mantelorganisatie van de NWO-elite is of juist het tegendeel: bewijst dit dat Al Qaida een koppige vijand van die hypotetische elite is, en dat juist de politiek van Israel en zijn bondgenoten in het verlengde ligt van de doelstellingen van de "NWO"?
Jij ziet wel heel snel een link naar bewijzen ...
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http://www.theonion.com/content/node/56631


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Nu rol ik echt over de grond van het lachen :
Pinda, die The Onion gebruikt als referentie.

Er zijn volgens mij eencelligen die meer gezond verstand hebben dan Pinda.

Over the Onion :
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The Onion is a parody newspaper published weekly in print and online. It features satirical articles reporting on international, national, and local news as well as an entertainment newspaper and website known as The A.V. Club.
The Onion's articles comment on current events, both real and imagined. It parodies traditional newspaper features, such as editorials, man-on-the-street interviews, and stock quotes, as well as traditional newspaper layout and dry, AP-style editorial voice.
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Nu rol ik echt over de grond van het lachen :
Pinda, die The Onion gebruikt als referentie.

Er zijn volgens mij eencelligen die meer gezond verstand hebben dan Pinda.

Over the Onion :
Het is niet de eerste keer.
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