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Oud 7 oktober 2005, 23:01   #121
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Bush is zelf constant bezig dat hij 'een mandaat van God' gekregen heeft, hij steunt financieel fundamentalistische christenen en laat toe dat in verschillende scholen het scheppingsverhaal onderwezen wordt ipv de leer van Darwin; hoezoe verkeerd begrepen, Bush bedoelde wel degelijk wat er staat : een KRUIStocht!
En in welke zin kan uw opsomming begrepen worden als een kruistocht tegen de islam?

"Kruistocht" is een synoniem geworden voor een algemene mobilisatie tegen of voor een bepaald programma. Het is te hopen dat de arabische wereld niet de kast op gaat elke keer dat het woord gebruikt wordt. Dat zou zelfs voor hun temperament teveel worden.
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Oud 8 oktober 2005, 00:17   #122
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Alsof daar iemand intrapt.
Enkel de tekst gelezen, niet in die site gegraven..duidelijk een fake..
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Oud 8 oktober 2005, 08:11   #123
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Enkel de tekst gelezen, niet in die site gegraven..duidelijk een fake..
hilarisch! wat bedoelje met "dieper in de site gegraven"? Het eerste zicht laat al duidelijk blijken dat het om een parodie gaat. : "The United States Department of FAITH"???

Nu begrijp ik waarom je postings zo totaal onsamenhangend kunnen zijn. Misschien toch maar OVERAL dieper op ingaan Filo?
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Betaalt U ook mee de religieuze halal taks die het terrorisme financiert? Kijk hoeveel er verdiend wordt met halal certificatie van dingen die totaal niet hoeven gecertificeerd te worden. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVPngzSE94o
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Oud 8 oktober 2005, 08:27   #124
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hilarisch! wat bedoelje met "dieper in de site gegraven"? Het eerste zicht laat al duidelijk blijken dat het om een parodie gaat. : "The United States Department of FAITH"???

Nu begrijp ik waarom je postings zo totaal onsamenhangend kunnen zijn. Misschien toch maar OVERAL dieper op ingaan Filo?
Dit is de juiste benaming: Faith-Based and Community Initiatives.

The White House: "Faith-Based and Community Initiatives"

En het desbetreffende artikel.

CNN: "Bush to open White House 'faith-based' charity office for business"[edit]
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hilarisch! wat bedoelje met "dieper in de site gegraven"? Het eerste zicht laat al duidelijk blijken dat het om een parodie gaat. : "The United States Department of FAITH"???

Nu begrijp ik waarom je postings zo totaal onsamenhangend kunnen zijn. Misschien toch maar OVERAL dieper op ingaan Filo?
Dit is de juiste benaming: Faith-Based and Community Initiatives.

The White House: "Faith-Based and Community Initiatives"

En het desbetreffende artikel.

CNN: "Bush to open White House 'faith-based' charity office for business"[/size]


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hilarisch! wat bedoelje met "dieper in de site gegraven"? Het eerste zicht laat al duidelijk blijken dat het om een parodie gaat. : "The United States Department of FAITH"???

Nu begrijp ik waarom je postings zo totaal onsamenhangend kunnen zijn. Misschien toch maar OVERAL dieper op ingaan Filo?
Dit is de juiste benaming: Fait-Based and Community Initiatives.

The White House: "Faith-Based and Community Initiatives"

En het desbetreffende artikel.

CNN: "Bush to open White House 'faith-based' charity office for business"[/size]
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Het onbekende verklaren met het bekende is een logische procedure, het bekende verklaren met het onbekende is een vorm van theologische waanzin.

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hilarisch! wat bedoelje met "dieper in de site gegraven"? Het eerste zicht laat al duidelijk blijken dat het om een parodie gaat. : "The United States Department of FAITH"???

Nu begrijp ik waarom je postings zo totaal onsamenhangend kunnen zijn. Misschien toch maar OVERAL dieper op ingaan Filo?
Dit is wel degelijk CNN, en de geciteerde verklaringen van Bush zijn van hetzelfde gehalte:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLI....01/index.html

Bush signs order opening 'faith-based' charity office for business

('January 30, 2001
Web posted at: 0047 GMT

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- After devoting his first week in office to education reform, President Bush opened his second week by concentrating on more controversial issues, including his proposals to allow religious groups to receive federal funding for the provision of vital life and social services to the needy.

Bush: Compassion is the work of a nation, not just a government
The new president announced Monday morning the creation of a new White House office focused solely on helping religious or "faith-based" groups obtain federal tax dollars. The office was founded with the late-morning signing of an executive order at the White House, following Bush's morning meeting with a host of religious leaders.

The new White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, Bush said after the meeting, will report directly to the president.

"This is one of the most important initiatives that my administration will implement," he said. "There are deep needs and real suffering in the shadow of America's affluence. We are called by conscience to respond."

The legislative portion of the president's plan -- which would allow religious groups to compete with secular organizations for federal dollars to pay for after-school programs, drug treatment counseling, meal assistance and other programs -- will be sent to Capitol Hill Tuesday, Bush said.

CHAT TRANSCRIPTThe documents sent to Congress will include broader tax deductions for Americans who make regular charitable donations.

The president also signed an executive order directing five Cabinet-level federal agencies to investigate how faith-based groups could effectively participate in a variety of government aid programs.

Bush said the Justice Department, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Education and Labor Departments will be charged with drawing up lists of federal regulations that stymie private groups from cooperating with the government to provide social aid.

Those regulations, he said, would then have to be rewritten or eliminated.

"We will look for greater cooperation between the government and the independent sector," Bush declared. "And we will remove regulatory barriers."

Private and faith-based charities, Bush said while surrounded by those who attended the morning meeting, will be the Bush administration's first line of defense against poverty, addiction and homelessness.

"My administration will look first to faith-based and community groups," he said. "We will not fund the religious activities of any one group, but when people of faith provide services, we will not discriminate against them."

Those in attendance Monday included representatives of Christian, Muslim and Jewish organizations.

"This is a collection of some of the finest America has to offer," Bush said. "These are people who lead with their hearts."

The new White House office will be charged with distributing billions of federal dollars to a variety of religious groups and charities over the next 10 years. In essence, the groups would be competing with a number of established organizations -- including federal agencies -- for a set amount of tax dollars.

"There are so many people in need that the federal government is not getting the job done," White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said Monday afternoon.

Bush has appointed University of Pennsylvania political science professor John J. DiIulio Jr. to head the office.

Former Indianapolis Mayor Stephen Goldsmith will chair a new advisory board -- the Corporation for National Service --, which will work hand-in-hand with Dilulio and his staff.

To build support, Bush planned to meet throughout the week with leaders of a number of spiritual and charitable groups, and he planned to attend the National Prayer Breakfast on Thursday -- a presidential tradition.

Despite the intent of the president's plans, critics said Monday that Bush's wide-ranging proposal would violate the Constitutional separation of church and state.

"For the purpose of the state and the church, and the principle of separating the two with a decent distance, this is a very bad idea," said Barry Lynn of the advocacy group Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

Bush anticipated such criticism last week, and sought to mute a number of voices whose objections will likely grow as the legislative portions of the proposal wend their way through the Congress.

Bush aides said safeguards would be in place to make sure the religious groups do not use the money to proselytize.

"This will not be funding religion," Fleischer insisted. "It is not the religious aspect of what they that is getting funding, it is the community service aspect. These are not going to be programs that preach religion, these are faith-based programs that help people improve their lives."

Aides said some faith-based groups already receive federal funding under the 1996 welfare reform law, and that these groups have not violated the constitutional separation of church and state.

Health reform in the works

Bush may also be close to unveiling his plan to give grants to states to provide prescription coverage to the poorest seniors.

The proposal is expected to be similar to the "Immediate Helping Hand" plan Bush touted during the last months of the 2000 presidential campaign. As a candidate, Bush advocated providing $48 billion over four years to pay full drug costs for seniors with incomes below 135 percent of the poverty line, which is less than $12,000 for an individual.

Bush aides said the president's plan would serve as a "bridge" until Congress passes a full Medicare overhaul bill, but Democrats said Bush's proposal may not go far enough.

"If he focuses only on low-income people, then there are a lot of middle class folks struggling to pay their prescription benefit," said Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Indiana.

CNN White House Correspondents John King and Kelly Wallace, Ian Christopher McCaleb and The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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Citaat:
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hilarisch! wat bedoelje met "dieper in de site gegraven"? Het eerste zicht laat al duidelijk blijken dat het om een parodie gaat. : "The United States Department of FAITH"???

Nu begrijp ik waarom je postings zo totaal onsamenhangend kunnen zijn. Misschien toch maar OVERAL dieper op ingaan Filo?
Dit is wel degelijk CNN, en de geciteerde verklaringen van Bush zijn van hetzelfde gehalte:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLI....01/index.html

Bush signs order opening 'faith-based' charity office for business

('January 30, 2001
Web posted at: 0047 GMT

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- After devoting his first week in office to education reform, President Bush opened his second week by concentrating on more controversial issues, including his proposals to allow religious groups to receive federal funding for the provision of vital life and social services to the needy.

Bush: Compassion is the work of a nation, not just a government
The new president announced Monday morning the creation of a new White House office focused solely on helping religious or "faith-based" groups obtain federal tax dollars. The office was founded with the late-morning signing of an executive order at the White House, following Bush's morning meeting with a host of religious leaders.

The new White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, Bush said after the meeting, will report directly to the president.

"This is one of the most important initiatives that my administration will implement," he said. "There are deep needs and real suffering in the shadow of America's affluence. We are called by conscience to respond."

The legislative portion of the president's plan -- which would allow religious groups to compete with secular organizations for federal dollars to pay for after-school programs, drug treatment counseling, meal assistance and other programs -- will be sent to Capitol Hill Tuesday, Bush said.

CHAT TRANSCRIPTThe documents sent to Congress will include broader tax deductions for Americans who make regular charitable donations.

The president also signed an executive order directing five Cabinet-level federal agencies to investigate how faith-based groups could effectively participate in a variety of government aid programs.

Bush said the Justice Department, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Education and Labor Departments will be charged with drawing up lists of federal regulations that stymie private groups from cooperating with the government to provide social aid.

Those regulations, he said, would then have to be rewritten or eliminated.

"We will look for greater cooperation between the government and the independent sector," Bush declared. "And we will remove regulatory barriers."

Private and faith-based charities, Bush said while surrounded by those who attended the morning meeting, will be the Bush administration's first line of defense against poverty, addiction and homelessness.

"My administration will look first to faith-based and community groups," he said. "We will not fund the religious activities of any one group, but when people of faith provide services, we will not discriminate against them."

Those in attendance Monday included representatives of Christian, Muslim and Jewish organizations.

"This is a collection of some of the finest America has to offer," Bush said. "These are people who lead with their hearts."

The new White House office will be charged with distributing billions of federal dollars to a variety of religious groups and charities over the next 10 years. In essence, the groups would be competing with a number of established organizations -- including federal agencies -- for a set amount of tax dollars.

"There are so many people in need that the federal government is not getting the job done," White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said Monday afternoon.

Bush has appointed University of Pennsylvania political science professor John J. DiIulio Jr. to head the office.

Former Indianapolis Mayor Stephen Goldsmith will chair a new advisory board -- the Corporation for National Service --, which will work hand-in-hand with Dilulio and his staff.

To build support, Bush planned to meet throughout the week with leaders of a number of spiritual and charitable groups, and he planned to attend the National Prayer Breakfast on Thursday -- a presidential tradition.

Despite the intent of the president's plans, critics said Monday that Bush's wide-ranging proposal would violate the Constitutional separation of church and state.

"For the purpose of the state and the church, and the principle of separating the two with a decent distance, this is a very bad idea," said Barry Lynn of the advocacy group Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

Bush anticipated such criticism last week, and sought to mute a number of voices whose objections will likely grow as the legislative portions of the proposal wend their way through the Congress.

Bush aides said safeguards would be in place to make sure the religious groups do not use the money to proselytize.

"This will not be funding religion," Fleischer insisted. "It is not the religious aspect of what they that is getting funding, it is the community service aspect. These are not going to be programs that preach religion, these are faith-based programs that help people improve their lives."

Aides said some faith-based groups already receive federal funding under the 1996 welfare reform law, and that these groups have not violated the constitutional separation of church and state.

Health reform in the works

Bush may also be close to unveiling his plan to give grants to states to provide prescription coverage to the poorest seniors.

The proposal is expected to be similar to the "Immediate Helping Hand" plan Bush touted during the last months of the 2000 presidential campaign. As a candidate, Bush advocated providing $48 billion over four years to pay full drug costs for seniors with incomes below 135 percent of the poverty line, which is less than $12,000 for an individual.

Bush aides said the president's plan would serve as a "bridge" until Congress passes a full Medicare overhaul bill, but Democrats said Bush's proposal may not go far enough.

"If he focuses only on low-income people, then there are a lot of middle class folks struggling to pay their prescription benefit," said Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Indiana.

CNN White House Correspondents John King and Kelly Wallace, Ian Christopher McCaleb and The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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hilarisch! wat bedoelje met "dieper in de site gegraven"? Het eerste zicht laat al duidelijk blijken dat het om een parodie gaat. : "The United States Department of FAITH"???

Nu begrijp ik waarom je postings zo totaal onsamenhangend kunnen zijn. Misschien toch maar OVERAL dieper op ingaan Filo?
Dit is wel degelijk CNN, en de geciteerde verklaringen van Bush zijn van hetzelfde gehalte:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLI....01/index.html

Bush signs order opening 'faith-based' charity office for business

('January 30, 2001
Web posted at: 0047 GMT

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- After devoting his first week in office to education reform, President Bush opened his second week by concentrating on more controversial issues, including his proposals to allow religious groups to receive federal funding for the provision of vital life and social services to the needy.

Bush: Compassion is the work of a nation, not just a government
The new president announced Monday morning the creation of a new White House office focused solely on helping religious or "faith-based" groups obtain federal tax dollars. The office was founded with the late-morning signing of an executive order at the White House, following Bush's morning meeting with a host of religious leaders.

The new White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, Bush said after the meeting, will report directly to the president.

"This is one of the most important initiatives that my administration will implement," he said. "There are deep needs and real suffering in the shadow of America's affluence. We are called by conscience to respond."

The legislative portion of the president's plan -- which would allow religious groups to compete with secular organizations for federal dollars to pay for after-school programs, drug treatment counseling, meal assistance and other programs -- will be sent to Capitol Hill Tuesday, Bush said.

CHAT TRANSCRIPTThe documents sent to Congress will include broader tax deductions for Americans who make regular charitable donations.

The president also signed an executive order directing five Cabinet-level federal agencies to investigate how faith-based groups could effectively participate in a variety of government aid programs.

Bush said the Justice Department, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Education and Labor Departments will be charged with drawing up lists of federal regulations that stymie private groups from cooperating with the government to provide social aid.

Those regulations, he said, would then have to be rewritten or eliminated.

"We will look for greater cooperation between the government and the independent sector," Bush declared. "And we will remove regulatory barriers."

Private and faith-based charities, Bush said while surrounded by those who attended the morning meeting, will be the Bush administration's first line of defense against poverty, addiction and homelessness.

"My administration will look first to faith-based and community groups," he said. "We will not fund the religious activities of any one group, but when people of faith provide services, we will not discriminate against them."

Those in attendance Monday included representatives of Christian, Muslim and Jewish organizations.

"This is a collection of some of the finest America has to offer," Bush said. "These are people who lead with their hearts."

The new White House office will be charged with distributing billions of federal dollars to a variety of religious groups and charities over the next 10 years. In essence, the groups would be competing with a number of established organizations -- including federal agencies -- for a set amount of tax dollars.

"There are so many people in need that the federal government is not getting the job done," White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said Monday afternoon.

Bush has appointed University of Pennsylvania political science professor John J. DiIulio Jr. to head the office.

Former Indianapolis Mayor Stephen Goldsmith will chair a new advisory board -- the Corporation for National Service --, which will work hand-in-hand with Dilulio and his staff.

To build support, Bush planned to meet throughout the week with leaders of a number of spiritual and charitable groups, and he planned to attend the National Prayer Breakfast on Thursday -- a presidential tradition.

Despite the intent of the president's plans, critics said Monday that Bush's wide-ranging proposal would violate the Constitutional separation of church and state.

"For the purpose of the state and the church, and the principle of separating the two with a decent distance, this is a very bad idea," said Barry Lynn of the advocacy group Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

Bush anticipated such criticism last week, and sought to mute a number of voices whose objections will likely grow as the legislative portions of the proposal wend their way through the Congress.

Bush aides said safeguards would be in place to make sure the religious groups do not use the money to proselytize.

"This will not be funding religion," Fleischer insisted. "It is not the religious aspect of what they that is getting funding, it is the community service aspect. These are not going to be programs that preach religion, these are faith-based programs that help people improve their lives."

Aides said some faith-based groups already receive federal funding under the 1996 welfare reform law, and that these groups have not violated the constitutional separation of church and state.

Health reform in the works

Bush may also be close to unveiling his plan to give grants to states to provide prescription coverage to the poorest seniors.

The proposal is expected to be similar to the "Immediate Helping Hand" plan Bush touted during the last months of the 2000 presidential campaign. As a candidate, Bush advocated providing $48 billion over four years to pay full drug costs for seniors with incomes below 135 percent of the poverty line, which is less than $12,000 for an individual.

Bush aides said the president's plan would serve as a "bridge" until Congress passes a full Medicare overhaul bill, but Democrats said Bush's proposal may not go far enough.

"If he focuses only on low-income people, then there are a lot of middle class folks struggling to pay their prescription benefit," said Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Indiana.

CNN White House Correspondents John King and Kelly Wallace, Ian Christopher McCaleb and The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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hilarisch! wat bedoelje met "dieper in de site gegraven"? Het eerste zicht laat al duidelijk blijken dat het om een parodie gaat. : "The United States Department of FAITH"???

Nu begrijp ik waarom je postings zo totaal onsamenhangend kunnen zijn. Misschien toch maar OVERAL dieper op ingaan Filo?
Dit is wel degelijk CNN, en de geciteerde verklaringen van Bush zijn van hetzelfde gehalte:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLI....01/index.html

Bush signs order opening 'faith-based' charity office for business

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- After devoting his first week in office to education reform, President Bush opened his second week by concentrating on more controversial issues, including his proposals to allow religious groups to receive federal funding for the provision of vital life and social services to the needy.

Bush: Compassion is the work of a nation, not just a government
The new president announced Monday morning the creation of a new White House office focused solely on helping religious or "faith-based" groups obtain federal tax dollars. The office was founded with the late-morning signing of an executive order at the White House, following Bush's morning meeting with a host of religious leaders.

The new White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, Bush said after the meeting, will report directly to the president.

"This is one of the most important initiatives that my administration will implement," he said. "There are deep needs and real suffering in the shadow of America's affluence. We are called by conscience to respond."

The legislative portion of the president's plan -- which would allow religious groups to compete with secular organizations for federal dollars to pay for after-school programs, drug treatment counseling, meal assistance and other programs -- will be sent to Capitol Hill Tuesday, Bush said.

CHAT TRANSCRIPTThe documents sent to Congress will include broader tax deductions for Americans who make regular charitable donations.

The president also signed an executive order directing five Cabinet-level federal agencies to investigate how faith-based groups could effectively participate in a variety of government aid programs.

Bush said the Justice Department, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Education and Labor Departments will be charged with drawing up lists of federal regulations that stymie private groups from cooperating with the government to provide social aid.

Those regulations, he said, would then have to be rewritten or eliminated.

"We will look for greater cooperation between the government and the independent sector," Bush declared. "And we will remove regulatory barriers."

Private and faith-based charities, Bush said while surrounded by those who attended the morning meeting, will be the Bush administration's first line of defense against poverty, addiction and homelessness.

"My administration will look first to faith-based and community groups," he said. "We will not fund the religious activities of any one group, but when people of faith provide services, we will not discriminate against them."

Those in attendance Monday included representatives of Christian, Muslim and Jewish organizations.

"This is a collection of some of the finest America has to offer," Bush said. "These are people who lead with their hearts."

The new White House office will be charged with distributing billions of federal dollars to a variety of religious groups and charities over the next 10 years. In essence, the groups would be competing with a number of established organizations -- including federal agencies -- for a set amount of tax dollars.

"There are so many people in need that the federal government is not getting the job done," White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said Monday afternoon.

Bush has appointed University of Pennsylvania political science professor John J. DiIulio Jr. to head the office.

Former Indianapolis Mayor Stephen Goldsmith will chair a new advisory board -- the Corporation for National Service --, which will work hand-in-hand with Dilulio and his staff.

To build support, Bush planned to meet throughout the week with leaders of a number of spiritual and charitable groups, and he planned to attend the National Prayer Breakfast on Thursday -- a presidential tradition.

Despite the intent of the president's plans, critics said Monday that Bush's wide-ranging proposal would violate the Constitutional separation of church and state.

"For the purpose of the state and the church, and the principle of separating the two with a decent distance, this is a very bad idea," said Barry Lynn of the advocacy group Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

Bush anticipated such criticism last week, and sought to mute a number of voices whose objections will likely grow as the legislative portions of the proposal wend their way through the Congress.

Bush aides said safeguards would be in place to make sure the religious groups do not use the money to proselytize.

"This will not be funding religion," Fleischer insisted. "It is not the religious aspect of what they that is getting funding, it is the community service aspect. These are not going to be programs that preach religion, these are faith-based programs that help people improve their lives."

Aides said some faith-based groups already receive federal funding under the 1996 welfare reform law, and that these groups have not violated the constitutional separation of church and state.

Health reform in the works

Bush may also be close to unveiling his plan to give grants to states to provide prescription coverage to the poorest seniors.

The proposal is expected to be similar to the "Immediate Helping Hand" plan Bush touted during the last months of the 2000 presidential campaign. As a candidate, Bush advocated providing $48 billion over four years to pay full drug costs for seniors with incomes below 135 percent of the poverty line, which is less than $12,000 for an individual.

Bush aides said the president's plan would serve as a "bridge" until Congress passes a full Medicare overhaul bill, but Democrats said Bush's proposal may not go far enough.

"If he focuses only on low-income people, then there are a lot of middle class folks struggling to pay their prescription benefit," said Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Indiana.

CNN White House Correspondents John King and Kelly Wallace, Ian Christopher McCaleb and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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hilarisch! wat bedoelje met "dieper in de site gegraven"? Het eerste zicht laat al duidelijk blijken dat het om een parodie gaat. : "The United States Department of FAITH"???

Nu begrijp ik waarom je postings zo totaal onsamenhangend kunnen zijn. Misschien toch maar OVERAL dieper op ingaan Filo?
Dit is wel degelijk CNN, en de geciteerde verklaringen van Bush zijn van hetzelfde gehalte:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLI....01/index.html[/size]
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(en ditmaal verifiëerde ik de oorsprong wél grondig:in het Frans zegt men: "On ne prête qu'aux riches".... en de Bushverklaringen zijn sappig genoeg (spijtig dat het over belangrijke zaken gaat...[edit]
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Oud 12 oktober 2005, 15:42   #127
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Even signaleren: een goed nieuw boek over de kruistochten in het nederlands

veel verouderde opvattingen worden hierin gecorrigeerd


Thomas F. Madden (red)
De geïllustreerde geschiedenis van de kruistochten
uitg. Terra, 2005

ISBN: 90-5897-346-8
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Oud 15 oktober 2005, 10:59   #128
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Helemaal niet, maar in dit geval legden ze drieduizend kilometer af te voet uit "zelfverdediging". En uit zelfverdediging werd zomaar iedereen uitgemoord die op hun weg kwam... ook de joden. Ach die Christenen, hé !
Zoals ik al zei... nadenken en nuances leggen
Eerstens, wat gij daar ook van denkt, de kruistochten waren een vorm van verdediging.Het ging er om de invloed en de uitbreiding van de islam te stoppen en te verkleinen.Zonder de kruisvaarden, het enige goede dat de Kerk ooit in het leven geroepen heeft werd héél Europa overrompeld door de islamietische legers!Tweedens, het zou ons als voorbeeld moeten dienen voor vandaag, nu de beweging de andere richting opgaat.Tegenwoordig vind er geen kruisvaart plaats, maar een "halve-maan-vaart" richting Europa.We moesten maar eens voorbeeld nemen aan de arabieren van weleer en ons verdedigen tegen die inval, dunkt me?!!
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Oud 15 oktober 2005, 14:33   #129
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Ik vrees dat de middeleeuwse kruistochten nogal misbruikt worden voor zaken die er helemaal niets mee te maken hebben

De moslimwereld heeft de kruistochten gewonnen en heeft dit altijd zo gezien, maar het ging in de moslimsgeschiedenis eerder om een “minor event”. De invasie van de mongolen en de verwoesting van Bagdad in het midden van de 13de eeuw heeft een veel grotere weerslag gehad dan de kruistochten. Pas in de 19de eeuw heeft de moslimwereld de kruistochten “herontdekt” - ze waren ze eigenlijk vergeten – dankzij het werk van vooral Franse historici die de kruistochten bestudeerden.

De kruistochten hebben zich eeuwen geleden afgespeeld, en hebben niets met vandaag te maken, laat staan dat zij mee aan de basis zouden liggen van de conflicten in het Midden-Oosten. Ze worden gewoon ideologisch gerecupereerd (zowel in West als in Oost).
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