De grote 9/11 topic

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Ja maat, gij kunt nogal een stukske zagen zeg...
Ten eerste heb ik nooit gezegd dat het niet kan, alleen is het erg ONBETROUWBAAR (snap je dat woord?).

Ten tweede spreken we hier over explosieven die tegen STALEN profielen geplaatst zijn in ruimtes die vaak met metalen platen en verbindingen
bedekt zijn. De triggers zouden dus logischerwijze in de buurt moeten staan.
Vraag eens aan uw specialisten wat de mogelijke signaalpenetratie is van -bvb- een GSM in dergelijke ruimtes als daarnaast de masten overbelast zijn.
(Dat was uiteraard zo in Manhattan op die speciale ochtend in september 2001, of wat had je gedacht).

En daarnaast, als je iets dergelijk wil bediscussieren, vraag er dan gewoon rechtstreeks naar, in plaats van die idiote sluipwegen om toch maar een foutje uit te lokken.
Sommige mensen zouden dat puberaal noemen.

Een zwakke poging om gewoon toe te geven dat je het niet bij het rechte eind had, maar alvast bedankt, vooral voor de persoonlijke toets.

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FBI Hotel Video of Plane Hitting Pentagon Shows ... Er ... No Plane.

But then how could it when there wasn't one?

zie alhier!

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Flight 77 did NOT crash into Pentagon

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oID=1384900312

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Dustin Hoffman Says Bush 'Manipulates 9/11'


Acclaimed screen star Dustin Hoffman has slammed US President George W. Bush for manipulating the 9/11 terrorist attacks to facilitate the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The Rain Man actor now feels "self-conscious" about being American because he can understand why the nation has become a focus for resentment around the world.

He says, "I think that the administration manipulated the grief of 9/11. They did it then and they do it now.

"Everybody knows why they wanted to go into Iraq and it had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. I'm an American and it's not a good feeling. When Americans say, 'I don't know why they hate us so much,' that's an uneducated response.

"There are lots of reasons why we're hated."

www.pr-inside.com

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Nog wat nieuws vanuit de "Truth Movement".

Steven Jones heeft nu definitief ontslag genomen uit de "Scholars for 9/11 Truth".
Gevolg is dat de wat bizarre Fetzer (om beleefd te blijven) nu de vrije hand heeft, wat ook blijkt uit zijn plannen.

Hier het begin van zijn mededeling:

ANNOUNCEMENT: The Good News and the Bad

The bad news is that, as a consequence of an increasing disparity in our approach and attitude toward the science and the politics of 9/11 research, Steve Jones has resigned as a member of Scholars. He intends to continue his research on these events, however, and it is in all of our interests that his contributions to the community should continue. The good news is, because of the contentious nature of issues that have arisen, Scholars is organizing a conference to be devoted to

The Science of 9/11: Controversial Aspects

which will be held in mid- to late-July in Madison, WI. There will be a key-note speaker and five major sessions devoted to the issues that have tended to divide us. As the program chair, I am inviting Steve Jones to organize a panel discussion of the use of conventional means for destroying the Twin Towers. I am inviting Judy Wood to organize a panel discussion on non-conventional means, including high-tech directed energy weaponry, that might have been used to destroy the World Trade Center. I am inviting Morgan Reynolds to organize a panel on planes/no planes at the WTC and George Nelson on the Pentagon and Shanksville.

Another important dimension of our efforts, of course, is explaining why the "official account" that the government has advanced cannot be sustained. Since there can be disagreements even here about what we should or should not emphasize and what has or has not been proven to an extent sufficient to emphasize as a "refutation" of what we have been told, I am also inviting Barrie Zwicker to organize one further panel discussion on "disproofs" of the government's account, which, although mentioned last, will be scheduled for the opening session. I am planning on having five sessions of 2 1/2 to 3 hours duration.
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James H. Fetzer
Founder
Scholars for 9/11 Truth

Dus Jones, die tenminste geprobeerd heeft een wetenschappelijk gefundeerde uitleg voor de CD van de torens te geven, moet de duimen leggen voor Fetzer.

Hier mijn voorspelling:
Ik denk dat dit een goeie ontwikkeling is. De "Truth movement" zal zich stlletjes aan in twee splitsen, met de mafkezen aan de éne kant en de meer rationele mensen aan de andere kant. De mafkezen zullen trouwens niet één groep vormen, maar zullen onderling ruzieën over mini-nukes, laserwapens, ruimtewapens, hologrammen, verdwenen vliegtuigten, enz ...

De tweede groep, met meer rationele mensen, zal dan stilaan evolueren naar een "Let it happen on purpose"-theorie. Maw, dat de aanslagen precies zijn gebeurd als de zogenaamde officiële versie beweert, maar dat elementen binnen de regering opzettelijk niet het nodige hebben gedaan om ze te verhinderen.

My 2 eurocents ...

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De tweede groep, met meer rationele mensen, zal dan stilaan evolueren naar een "Let it happen on purpose"-theorie. Maw, dat de aanslagen precies zijn gebeurd als de zogenaamde officiële versie beweert, maar dat elementen binnen de regering opzettelijk niet het nodige hebben gedaan om ze te verhinderen.

My 2 eurocents ...

For a fistfull of dollars?
No fistfull of dynamite?

Interessant.

Hoe sta je zelf tegenover die tweede opvatting?

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Men moet blijkbaar in de NWO-draad zijn om over 9/11 te "discussiëren"

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Ten Lies-But Denying

The Truth of 911
The Official Government Version of 9-11 Is Just Another Lie
In A Whole Litany of Lies But Many People Believe It. Why?
By Douglas Herman
12-12-6


"I would be a coward if I saw that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent." -- John Calvin

Liberals and conservatives make strange bedfellows, especially when it comes to uncovering the truth about 911. Curious indeed: some of the most outspoken, liberal, leftwing opponents of the Bush crime spree share the same, uncritical acceptance of 911 events as rabid, rightwing conservatives.

Below I have listed ten "Great Lies" of the Bush regime. These are all verified, bald-faced lies. Even staunch Bush defenders might have a difficult time defending these documented lies. Yet when it comes to the official government version of 911 events, the Left and Right lock hands in what can only be described as an unexplainable, aberrant disorder.

"Every violation of truth is not only a sort of suicide in the liar, but is a stab at the health of human society," said Ralph Waldo Emerson. Pity Emerson never knew the neocons. In the interest of fairness, I listed some pretty flagrant lies, in no particular order. Ironically, one of the lies turns out to be the truest thing GWB ever uttered.

Great Lie #1. Bush as Uniter.

"I'm a uniter, not a divider....I am someone who is a uniter, not a divider. I don't believe in group thought, pitting one group of people against another." -GW Bush, Nov 22, 1999

Great Lie #2. Nation-building.

"I don't think our troops should be used for what's called nation building." -GW Bush, 2000 (In other words, our troops should be used for nation destroying).

Great Lie #3. Hurricane Relief.

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job" (Praise for FEMA Director, Michael Brown, in the immediate aftermath of Katrina).



"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." -President Bush, on Good Morning America, Sept. 1, 2005, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina and months after the National Geographic featured an exact scenario of disastrous events.

Great Lie #4. The Capture of Osama Bin Laden.

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." -GW Bush, Sept 13, 2001

"So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him...to be honest with you." - GW Bush, March 13, 2002

"I don't know where [Osama bin Laden] is and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." -GW Bush, March 13, 2003

"Gosh, I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of one of those exaggerations." -GW Bush, Oct 13, 2004

Great Lie #5. Weapons of Mass Destruction.

"Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction....We know Saddam has them...We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...and we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, we found them."

Great Lie #6. Mission Accomplished

"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."

"The Mission Accomplished sign, of course, was put up by the members of the USS Abraham Lincoln, saying that their mission was accomplished." -GW Bush, News Conference, 10/28/03. In fact, the banner was produced by White House personnel.

Great Lie #7. We Don't Torture.

"There are no longer torture chambers or rape rooms or mass graves in Iraq...It's unacceptable to think that there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of Americ and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective." -GW Bush, Sept 15, 2006

Great Lie #8. Budget Deficit.

"Our budget will run a deficit that will be small and short-term." ---GW Bush, State of the Union, 2002. In Fact: The deficit would become the largest in history and will exceed $400 Billion annually for the next ten years.

Great Lie #9. Post--911 Attack Speech.

"The search is underway for those who are behind these evil acts. I've directed the full resources of our intelligence and law enforcement communities to find those responsible and to bring them to justice...This is a day when all Americans from every walk of life unite in our resolve for justice and peace."

Great Lie #10 (The Greatest Lie of Them ALL).

Solemn Oath To Uphold The US Constitution.

"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." -GW Bush, Being sworn into office, Jan. 20, 2001

After listing the litany of lies above (only a partial listing of lies in the last six years), one cannot help but conclude: The government of George W. Bush, and everyone connected with it, lies ALL THE TIME, as standard operating procedure.

I am reminded of what that great Sioux leader, Red Cloud said: "They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they kept only one: they promised to take our land and they took it." Can someone, anyone, perhaps some 911 debunker, Alexander Cockburn or Sean Hannity for example, point to a single honest remark or a single honest person in the administration? And if not, then why should any reasonable person believe a commission appointed by the administration, a cabal of liars?

Logically then, one could conclude, that anyone who believes the official version of 911 events, the Bush government version of events, whether liberal or conservative, prefers a litany of unbelievable lies to the harsh truth. Since nothing about 911 rings true, the acceptance of the monstrous lie (told by liars) appears most perplexing when one considers not a single other lie listed above has ever been proven truthful (Except the nation-building/ nation-destroying treachery which turned out to be true).

Thus one could rightly say, anyone who believes 911 occurred exactly as the government-sanctioned, Bush--appointed, Kean Commission described it, is either a damn fool, a pathetic coward, an indoctrinated dupe, or an ignorant ass. Truthfully, no other description suffices.

http://www.rense.com/general74/tenlies.htm


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ja ja:

WTC witnesses to explosions
More evidence of controlled demo.

kijken?

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More than one student has confessed in the middle of his/her research project: “This is too much information. I really don’t want to know who committed the atrocities of 9-11.” In response to my inevitable, “And why is that?” the answer is always the same: “Because if my country committed 9-11, then I don’t have a country.”

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/mem...em_truth.shtml





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The attacks of September 11, 2001, were accomplished through an amazing orchestration of logistics and personnel. Crossing the Rubicon discovers and identifies key suspects-finding some of them in the highest echelons of American government-by showing how they acted in concert to guarantee that the attacks produced the desired result.

Crossing the Rubicon is unique not only for its case-breaking examination of 9/11, but for the breadth and depth of its world picture-an interdisciplinary analysis of petroleum, geopolitics, narcotraffic, intelligence and militarism-without which 9/11 cannot be understood.

The US manufacturing sector has been mostly replaced by speculation on financial data whose underlying economic reality is a dark secret. Hundreds of billions of dollars in laundered drug money flow through Wall Street each year from opium and coca fields maintained by CIA-sponsored warlords and US-backed covert paramilitary violence. America's global dominance depends on a continually turning mill of guns, drugs, oil and money. Oil and natural gas-the fuels that make economic growth possible-are subsidized by American military force and foreign lending.

In reality, 9/11 and the resulting "war on terror" are parts of a massive authoritarian response to an emerging economic crisis of unprecedented scale. Peak Oil-the beginning of the end for our industrial civilization-is driving the elites of American power to implement unthinkably draconian measures of repression, warfare and population control. Crossing the Rubicon is more than a story. It is a map of the perilous terrain through which, together and alone, we are all now making our way.

http://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Rubic.../dp/0865715408

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pindar

http://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Rubic.../dp/0865715408

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Ik heb het niet zo op dit boek van Michael Ruppert, omdat het bepaalde zaken van 9/11 negeert (zoals de explosieven), en over peak oil praat. Wat ook een scam is van de elite. Ruppert is een enorme aanhanger van peak oil.

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Ik heb het niet zo op dit boek van Michael Ruppert, omdat het bepaalde zaken van 9/11 negeert (zoals de explosieven), en over peak oil praat. Wat ook een scam is van de elite. Ruppert is een enorme aanhanger van peak oil.

Ik ben het met veel gedeeltes eens van hem, , maar ik weet toevallig ook
dat hij een desinfo agent is (ik heb eens een live lezing meegemaakt van hem, en werd ook veel onzin in beweerd)
Verder klopt het dat hij de onzin van de peak oil steunt dus ik ga daar helemaal in me met je.

Maar....sommige analyses van hem van 9-11 zijn weer heel sterk

Maar zoals bij dit alles, moet je tuurlijk zo bie zo kritsch blijven.

Maar voor gedeeltelijke kritiek op 9-11 analyses vind ik hem dus juist weer goed.


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Hier nog een goeie docu over UFO's:

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?doc...0&q=ufo+pilots

De beste docu blijft toch out of the blue:

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?doc...ut+of+the+blue


En sommige mensen blijven beweren dat UFO's neit bestaan terwijl als je ej een klein beetje informeert het enorm duidelijk is dat ze erzijn.