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#161 |
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![]() ![]() Heeft dat nu allemaal zoveel geholpen tenslotte om ons rooms te houden?
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#162 |
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![]() ![]() Misschien allemaal niet echt gebeurd?
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#163 |
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![]() Dat deden jullie ook allemaal, remember?
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#164 |
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#165 |
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#166 |
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#167 |
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![]() ![]() Met de Martelaren van Gorcum worden negentien katholieke religieuzen en wereldheren aangeduid die om hun geloof door de watergeuzen in 1572 zijn vermoord in Den Briel. |
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#168 |
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#169 |
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![]() Wie is jullie?
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#170 | |
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Van e-sword 1Ti 4:3 ForbiddingG2967 to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. G2967 κωλύω kōluō ko-loo'-o From the base of G2849; to estop, that is, prevent (by word or act): - forbid, hinder, keep from, let, not suffer, withstand. Duidelijk mensen verplichten om niet te mogen trouwen; en het gaat helemaal niet over niet willen trouwen.
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#171 | |
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Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, &c. Here says St. John Chrysostom[1] are foretold and denoted the heretics called Encratites, the Marcionites, Manicheans, &c. who condemned all marriages as evil, as may be seen in St. Irenæus, Epiphanius, St. Augustine, Theodoret, &c. These heretics held a god who was the author of good things, and another god who was the author or cause of all evils; among the latter they reckoned, marriages, fleshmeats, wine, &c. The doctrine of Catholics is quite different, when they condemn the marriages of priests and of such as have made a vow to God to lead always a single life; or when the Church forbids persons to eat flesh in Lent, or on fasting-days, unless their health require it. We hold that marriage in itself is not only honourable, but a sacrament of divine institution. We believe and profess that the same only true God is the author of all creatures which are good of themselves; that all eatables are to be eaten with thanksgiving, and none of them to be rejected, as coming from the author of evil. When we condemn priests for marrying, it is for breaking their vows and promises made to God of living unmarried, and of leading a more perfect life; we condemn them with the Scripture, which teaches us that vows made are to be kept; with St. Paul, who in the next chap. (ver. 12) teaches us, that they who break such vows incur their damnation. When the Church, which we are commanded to obey, enjoins abstinence from flesh, or puts a restraint as to the times of eating on days of humiliation and fasting, it is by way of self-denial and mortification: so that it is not the meats, but the transgression of the precept, that on such occasions defiles the consciences of the transgressors. "You will object, (says St. John Chrysostom) that we hinder persons from marrying; God forbid," &c. St. Augustine, (lib. 30. cont. Faustum. chap. vi.) "You see (says he) the great difference in abstaining from meats for mortification sake, and as if God was not the author of them." We may observe that God, in the law of Moses, prohibited swine's flesh and many other eatables; and that even the apostles, in the Council of Jerusalem, forbad the Christians, (at least about Antioch) to eat at that time blood and things strangled; not that they were bad of themselves, as the Manicheans pretended. (Witham) --- St. Paul here speaks of the Gnostics and other ancient heretics, who absolutely condemned marriage and the use of all kind of meat, because they pretended that all flesh was from an evil principle: whereas the Church of God so far from condemning marriage, holds it to be a holy sacrament, and forbids it to none but such as by vow have chosen the better part: and prohibits not the use of any meats whatsoever, in proper times and seasons, though she does not judge all kinds of diet proper for days of fasting and penance. (Challoner) --- We may see in the earliest ages [centuries] of Christianity, that some of the most infamous and impure heretics that ever went out of the Church, condemned all marriage as unlawful, at the same time allowing the most unheard of abominations: men without religion, without faith, without modesty, without honour. See St. Clement, lib. 3. Strom. En waar worden Katholieken verplicht om niet te trouwen? |
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#172 | |
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Dat is dus iedereen. Tussen haakjes Paulus was een alleenstaand geval.
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#173 |
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![]() Even verkeerd . Gij zult niet doden is één van de tien geboden, dus waren deze daders dan geen christenen maar gewoon opstandelingen.
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#174 | |
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En wat heeft dat te maken met uw gebrek van kennis over de Katholieke Kerk? |
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#175 |
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![]() Pardon ik ben wel katholiek opgevoed.
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#176 |
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#177 |
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![]() Och ja, om katholiek te zijn moet je niet veel doen niet waar. Je wordt oh zo waar katholiek gedoopt zonder er om gevraagd te hebben.
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#178 |
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#179 |
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![]() Ik heb het niet over het wel of niet Katholiek geweest zijn. Ik heb het over het feit dat je ofwel nooit deftig onderricht bent over je voormalige godsdienst, of dat je enige herinnering aan de dat onderricht verdrukt.
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#180 |
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![]() Protestantisme heeft ons uit de donkere middeleeuwen gehaald. Heeft U al eens in de bijbel gelezen eigenlijk? Dan zou je moeten weten dat mensen fouten maken. Of dat nu Abraham, Mozes, David, Petrus of Paulus is. Alleen Jezus Christus is zonder zonden.
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