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[Firestone]

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Toeval zeker??

Wie zal het zeggen, beste Exodus ! (Geloof je nu echt in al die onzin ?????)

Ik heb ook leuke toevallen voor jou.

Given any two events, or any two people, it is highly likely there are strange commonalities. Unfortunately, sometimes these commonalities are put together to suggest or demonstrate a "conspiracy theory".

Example: The commonalities between Abraham Lincoln, and John F. Kennedy have become rather famous.

Lincoln was elected in 1860, Kennedy in 1960.
Their names are seven letters long.
Their assassins, John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald, both advocated unpopular political views, went by three names, and had 15 letters total in their names.
Booth shot Lincoln in a theater and fled to a warehouse. Oswald shot Kennedy from a warehouse, and fled to a theater.

But if we are to make anything from this, we should consider the strange commonalities between two other assassinated presidents: William McKinley and James Garfield.

Both were Republicans, born and raised in Ohio.
Both have eight letters in their last name.
Like Lincoln and Kennedy, they both were elected on years ending with zero (1880 and 1900).
Both had Vice Presidents from New York City who wore mustaches.
Both were slain during the first September of their respective terms by assassins Charles Guiteau and Leon Czolgosz, who had foreign sounding names.

So where are the conspiracy theories here?


http://members.cox.net/mathmistakes/glossary1.htm

Het lukt zo vaak, met die toevallen !

[exodus]

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Wie zal het zeggen, beste Exodus ! (Geloof je nu echt in al die onzin ?????)

Ik heb ook leuke toevallen voor jou.
Het lukt zo vaak, met die toevallen !

Je gaat toch niet beweren dat hetgeen in mijn vorige post toeval is? Het is zo duidelijk als wat...

Trouwens het voorbeeld dat jij gegeven hebt moet nog iets vollediger:



Dit is inderdaad behoorlijk bizar, maar het zal wel toeval zijn zeker? Een ander verklaring heb ik er niet voor.

Tuurlijk kan je overal verbanden vinden... maar hetgeen ik in mijn vorige post gaf is duidelijk geen toeval. Als je dat toeval vind doe je aan zelfbedrog.

[Firestone]

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Tuurlijk kan je overal verbanden vinden...

Precies. Daarom zijn de lijsten met verbanden meestal waardeloos. Als bewijs voor iets kunnen ze nooit dienen, alléén maar als vertrekpunt van een onderzoek.

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maar hetgeen ik in mijn vorige post gaf is duidelijk geen toeval. Als je dat toeval vind doe je aan zelfbedrog.

Dat de schilderij van Breughel in een affiche werd gebruikt is geen toeval en ook geen geheim. Er staat zelfs expliciet bij dat het om de talen gaat. Wat is hier merkwaardig aan?

De gelijkenis tussen de toren in Breughel's schilderij en het gebouw te Straatsburg is oppervlakkig. Het zijn ronde constructies met verdiepingen.
Was de schilderij een inspiratie voor de architect? Misschien, en dan?????

Zo kan je weer veel verbanden vinden, en ze zullen opnieuw niets bewijzen.

Samenzweringen worden gekenmerkt door daden, door acties, niet door rondgestrooide 'geheime' symbolen!

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Samenzweringen worden gekenmerkt door daden, door acties, niet door rondgestrooide 'geheime' symbolen

0/10.

Symboliek is alles. En niets voor hen die het niet zien. Zij die het wel zien, weten.

De Egyptische cultus ( kijk maar eens naar de daken van grote gebouwen als je in New York bent ) is overdonderend in quasi alles aanwezig, alleen vreemd dat quasi niemand er bij stil staat, laat staan zich er bewust van is.

Waarom staat in bijna iedere Wereldstad zo'n Egyptische Naald menig plein te sieren ? Niet voor het schoon uitzicht hoor.

Is dat een samenzwering ? Neeje. Het is een uitdrukking van een gegeven dat de mensen die die spullen geplaatst hebben, verbindt. Terwijl jan modaal zich van niets bewust is.

Maar van de fond van de zaak is diegene die het geplaatst heeft, ook niet bewust.

Simpele psychologie, menselijke zwaktes, zo kan je een hele wereld onderwerpen zonder dat er iemand van bewust is, een beetje divde et impera, de ene 'occulte groep' tegen de andere uitspelen,


Er was - en is - ooit een groepering geweest die het spelletje doorhad, bijna allemaal uitgeroeid, een paar hebben de massaslachting door de kerk overleefd, ook een beetje samenzwering zo...

Had ik meer tijd, zou ik gaarne heel diep erop ingaan, ... zelfs op zondag staat mijn werk niet stil echter.

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Ik ben sinds kort lid van de Lions club en dra van een golfclub.

Er wordt daar veel over zaken onderhandeld, zaken die dus niet het principe van de 'vrije markt' volgt, 'ons kent ons', vriendjespolitiek.

Is dat dan ook niet een samenzwering, op beperkte schaal dan ?

De Lions en de Rotary en nog een hele rits van die clubs zijn internationale organisaties die onder het mom van liefdadigheid ( interesseert mij geen reet ) zakelijke belangen uitdragen .

Een ietsiepietsie samenzwering dus, tot in China aan toe, vriendjespolitiek, hoger doel ... ( dikkere portefeuille ). Wereld is niet zo eenvoudig als 99 % van de aardkloot denkt.

[Firestone]

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Symboliek is alles. En niets voor hen die het niet zien. Zij die het wel zien, weten.
...
Is dat een samenzwering ? Neeje. Het is een uitdrukking van een gegeven dat de mensen die die spullen geplaatst hebben, verbindt. Terwijl jan modaal zich van niets bewust is.

Het is inderdaad geen samenzwering, u zegt het zelf. Daar deze 'feiten' al honderden jaren verkondigd worden (zie de voorbeelden die Exodus aangehaald heeft) betwijfel ik of Jan Modaal zich van niets bewust zou zijn geweest mocht hier een diepe waarheid achter zitten!

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Er was - en is - ooit een groepering geweest die het spelletje doorhad, bijna allemaal uitgeroeid, een paar hebben de massaslachting door de kerk overleefd, ook een beetje samenzwering zo...

Bedoelt u de Katharen?

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Ik ben sinds kort lid van de Lions club en dra van een golfclub.

Er wordt daar veel over zaken onderhandeld, zaken die dus niet het principe van de 'vrije markt' volgt, 'ons kent ons', vriendjespolitiek.

Is dat dan ook niet een samenzwering, op beperkte schaal dan ?

De Lions en de Rotary en nog een hele rits van die clubs zijn internationale organisaties die onder het mom van liefdadigheid ( interesseert mij geen reet ) zakelijke belangen uitdragen .

Een ietsiepietsie samenzwering dus, tot in China aan toe, vriendjespolitiek, hoger doel ... ( dikkere portefeuille ).

Dit is een ander paar mouwen !

Dit ontkent voor zover ik weet niemand. Het is wat anders dan de indianenverhalen van Exodus.

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Wereld is niet zo eenvoudig als 99 % van de aardkloot denkt.

Het zijn net de samenzweringtheoretici die een simplistisch beeld van de wereld aanhangen: één machtige geheime groep die alles bepaalt! Doet mij een beetje denken aan primitieve volkeren die alles aan goden weten.

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Firestone, er zijn bijna 1 miljard Christenen op deze aardkloot.

Weet U wie volgens hen de koning van deze wereld is ( althans volgens het heilige schrift, voor zover dat dan weer volledig gelezen wordt door hen )? In die traditie is de wereld veel meer dan het schouwspel dat onze zintuigen beïnvloedt, pas als je 'die andere realiteit' leert aanschouwen, voorbij het stoffelijke, kom je terecht in 'de echte samenzwering'.

U heeft gelijk, in die zin dat een massieve samenzwering met mensen zowiezo gedoemd is tot mislukken, omdat mensen zwak zijn.

Alleen gaat het veel dieper.

Ik bedoelde inderdaad de gnostische katharen.

[exodus]

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Het zijn net de samenzweringtheoretici die een simplistisch beeld van de wereld aanhangen: één machtige geheime groep die alles bepaalt! Doet mij een beetje denken aan primitieve volkeren die alles aan goden weten.

Ik zeg niet dat een geheime groep alles doet. Er zijn verscheidene geheime groepen of "secret societies", die allemaal een ander karakter hebben. Skull and bones , vrijmetselarij, knights templar, opus dei, Prieure de sion, bavariaanse illuminati etc etc De enige machtiger dan de andere.

Ik zeg gewoon dat geheime genootschappen een grote rol gespeeld hebben in onze geschiedenis en dat vandaag de dag nog altijd doen. En ze worden onder andere gekenmerkt door dit symbolisme. Dat we de gschiedenis die we op de schoolbanken geleerd hebben niet volledig correct is. Om de geschiedenis volledig te begrijpen moeten we de motivaties van geheime genootschappen en rekening brengen. Wat natuurlijk zeer moeilijk is want ze zijn per definitie geheim. Maar er kan toch veel afgeleid worden. Bv. de opkomst van het communisme, de wereldoorlogen...

De eerste wereldoorlog is zogezegd ontstaan omdat een of andere prins vermoord is... no way.

Het kan mss wel zijn dat sommige van die geheime genootschappen ongeveer eenzelfde doel hebben. Of toch allesizns in hun hogere niveau's.

[Firestone]

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Firestone, er zijn bijna 1 miljard Christenen op deze aardkloot.

Weet U wie volgens hen de koning van deze wereld is ( althans volgens het heilige schrift, voor zover dat dan weer volledig gelezen wordt door hen )? In die traditie is de wereld veel meer dan het schouwspel dat onze zintuigen beïnvloedt, pas als je 'die andere realiteit' leert aanschouwen, voorbij het stoffelijke, kom je terecht in 'de echte samenzwering'.

U heeft gelijk, in die zin dat een massieve samenzwering met mensen zowiezo gedoemd is tot mislukken, omdat mensen zwak zijn.

Alleen gaat het veel dieper.

Ik bedoelde inderdaad de gnostische katharen.

Hiermee verplaatst u de discussie naar een ander vlak.
Impliciet bevestigt u mijn bezwaren tegen de voorbeelden van Exodus.

Eens men het heeft over 'samenzweringen voorbij het stoffelijke' verlaat men het gebied van de ratio en komt men bij geloof.

Begrijp me goed, dit is geen kritiek op het concept geloof. Ik bedoel alléén dat ik over geloof geen zinvolle discussie kan voeren. U mag dat gerust als een beperking van mijn cognitieve gaven beschouwen, maar zo is het nu eenmaal.

[Firestone]

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Dat we de gschiedenis die we op de schoolbanken geleerd hebben niet volledig correct is. Om de geschiedenis volledig te begrijpen moeten we de motivaties van geheime genootschappen en rekening brengen. Wat natuurlijk zeer moeilijk is want ze zijn per definitie geheim. Maar er kan toch veel afgeleid worden. Bv. de opkomst van het communisme, de wereldoorlogen...

De eerste wereldoorlog is zogezegd ontstaan omdat een of andere prins vermoord is... no way.

Om de geschiedenis volledig te begrijpen moeten we vooral de machtsverhoudingen en de belangen van de verschillende krachten begrijpen.
Hebben geheime genootschappen soms een rol gespeeld? Waarom niet, dat zou best kunnen. Dan moet men dat aantonen.

Ik heb geen weet van een ernstige historicus die beweert dat de moord op de kroonprins in Sarajevo de oorzaak van WOI was.
Dat het de aanleiding, of het excuus was, dat is wat anders.

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Dit heeft dan weer alles met ratio te maken, en niets met geloof, hoe vreemd het ook moge klinken. Als je merkt dat mensen de realiteit kunnen manipuleren op een manier die je bevattingsvermogen te boven gaat, en je die -toevallig ook wijze - mensen een verhaal hoort ophangen over deze wereld dat in niets strookt met wat jan modaal ervan weet, zit je met een probleem.

Dit gebeurde in India. Je vervolmaakt je zoektocht en botst op de ene anomalie parel na de andere, wie kijkt ziet dat er geweldig veel rammelt aan 'deze wereld', geschiedenis klopt dikwijls niet, ... etcetera ...

Er is wel degelijk een samenzwering, maar niet in de zin van wat de mensen denken wat een samenzwering zou moeten zijn. Mensen worden gebonden aan destructivisme op een subtiele manier, gecatalyseerd door hebzucht. Dat destructivisme wordt gekanaliseerd via denkpatronen, tot uiting gebracht in allerlei 'clubs', etcetera ... Maar zonder dat er iemand echt van bewust is, het speelterrein van de samenzwering is juist het bovenbewuste, behind the curtain, waar een gewone sterveling niet zou mogen komen piepen. Waar Aleister Crowley's Lam 'rondloopt'

Tot hier voorlopig mijn bijdrage.

[Firestone]

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Ik zeg niet dat een geheime groep alles doet. Er zijn verscheidene geheime groepen of "secret societies", die allemaal een ander karakter hebben. Skull and bones , vrijmetselarij, knights templar, opus dei, Prieure de sion, bavariaanse illuminati etc etc De enige machtiger dan de andere.

Op de conspiracy-sites worden al die (al dan niet bestaande groepen) door elkaar gebruikt.

Begrijp je nu waarom er steeds opnieuw gevraagd wordt naar coherente theorieën?

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Op de conspiracy-sites worden al die (al dan niet bestaande groepen) door elkaar gebruikt.

Begrijp je nu waarom er steeds opnieuw gevraagd wordt naar coherente theorieën?

Dit hier is een beetje coherent en zo'n beetje in overeenstemming van wat ik te horen kreeg tijdens een yoga retraite in India. Niet te bevatten met een brein dat gedurende meer dan 24 jaar te horen heeft gekregen wat wat is, wat echt is, wat fout is ( examinitis )

.:. Brother Aleister Crowley .:.

from Brother Blue's Mysteriously Missing Pages
reposted by watcher websiteAleister Crowley (1875-1947)

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.


Edward Alexander (Aleister) Crowley [rhymes with "holy"] was born October 12, 1875 in Leamington Spa, England. His parents were members of the Plymouth Brethren, a strict fundamentalist Christian sect. As a result, Aleister grew up with a thorough biblical education and an equally thorough disdain of Christianity.

He attended Trinity College at Cambridge University, leaving just before completing his degree. Shortly thereafter he was introduced to George Cecil Jones, who was a member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. The Golden Dawn was an occult society led by S.L. MacGregor Mathers which taught magick, qabalah, alchemy, tarot, astrology, and other hermetic subjects. It had many notable members (including A.E. Waite, Dion Fortune, and W.B. Yeats), and its influence on the development of modern western occultism was profound.

Crowley was initiated into the Golden Dawn in 1898, and proceeded to climb up rapidly through the grades. But in 1900 the order was shattered by schism, and Crowley left England to travel extensively throughout the East. There he learned and practiced the mental and physical disciplines of yoga, supplementing his knowledge of western-style ritual magick with the methods of Oriental mysticism. In 1903, Crowley married Rose Kelly, and they went to Egypt on their honeymoon. After returning to Cairo in early 1904, Rose (who until this point had shown no interest or familiarity with the occult) began entering trance states and insisting to her husband that the god Horus was trying to contact him. As a test, Crowley took Rose to the Boulak Museum and asked her to point out Horus to him. She passed several well-known images of the god and led Aleister straight to a painted wooden funerary stele from the 26th dynasty, depicting Horus receiving a sacrifice from the deceased, a priest named Ankh-f-n-khonsu. Crowley was especially impressed by the fact that this piece was numbered 666 by the museum, a number with which he had identified since childhood.

The upshot was that he began to listen to Rose, and at her direction, on three successive days beginning April 8, 1904, he entered his chamber at noon and wrote down what he heard dictated from a shadowy presence behind him. The result was the three chapters of verse known as Liber AL vel Legis, or The Book of the Law. This book heralded the dawning of the new aeon of Horus, which would be governed by the Law of Thelema. "Thelema" is a Greek word meaning "will", and the Law of Thelema is often stated as: "Do what thou wilt". As the prophet of this new aeon, Crowley spent the rest of his life working to develop and establish Thelemic philosophy.

In 1906 Crowley rejoined George Cecil Jones in England, where they set about the task of creating a magical order to continue where the Golden Dawn had left off. They called this order the A:.A:. (Astron Argon or Astrum Argentium or Silver Star), and it became the primary vehicle for the transmission of Crowley's mystical and magical training system based on the principles of Thelema.

Then in 1910 Crowley was contacted by Theodore Reuss, the head of an organization based in Germany called the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.). This group of high-ranking Freemasons claimed to have discovered the supreme secret of practical magick, which was taught in its highest degrees. Apparently Crowley agreed, becoming a member of O.T.O. and eventually taking over as head of the order when Reuss suffered a stroke in 1921. Crowley reformulated the rites of the O.T.O. to conform them to the Law of Thelema, and vested the organization with its main purpose of establishing Thelema in the world. The order also became independent of Freemasonry (although still based on the same patterns) and opened its membership to women and men who were not masons.

Aleister Crowley died in Hastings, England on December 1, 1947. However, his legacy lives on in the Law of Thelema which he brought to mankind (along with dozens of books and writings on magick and other mystical subjects), and in the orders A:.A:. and O.T.O. which continue to advance the principles of Thelema to this day.

Love is the law, love under will. Crowleymas, 1974

Brother AL
in PsilenceAs told by Frater Robert Anton Wilson; Holy Discordian, OTO Initiate and CAW Water Brother in his Outstanding Masterpiece of Speculative Illumination "Cosmic Trigger." Recalling Crowleymas (October 12) 1974, Brother Wilson hath eloquently stated:


...And then Jacques Vallee arrived.

I had wanted to talk to Doctor Vallee for several months now and I immediately kidnapped him into a room which the other party- goers were not informed about. On the way, we spotted Hymenaeus Alpha (Grady McMurty), Caliph of the Ordo Templi Orientis, and his wife, Phylis.

The Skeptic had heard Jacques Vallee talk at a conference on Science and Spirit, sponsored by the Theosophical Society, earlier in the year. He had taken a new approach to the UFO mystery and was systematically feeding all the reports of extraterrestrial contacts into a giant computer. The computer was programmed to look for various possible repeated patterns. Jacques said that the evidence emerging suggested to him that the UFOs weren't extraterrestrial at all, but that they seemed to be intelligent systems intent on convincing us they were extraterrestrial. [Indeed, even as our Dear Brother Terence McKenna hath said, "We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extraterrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us." -B:.B:.]

Now the Skeptic started pumping Jacques about his evidence that they weren't extraterrestrial. He started to explain that, analyzing the reports chronologically, it appeared that They (whoever or whatever they are) always strive to give the impression that they are something the society they are visiting can understand. In medieval sightings, he said, they called themselves angels; in the great 1902 flap in several states, one of the craft spoke to a West Virginia farmer and said they were an airship invented and flown from Kansas; in 1940s-1950s sightings, they often said they were from Venus; since Venus has been examined and seems incapable of supporting life, they now say they are from another star-system in this galaxy.

"Where do you think they come from?" I asked.

Doctor Vallee gave the Gallic form of the classic scientific Not- Speculating-Beyond-The-Data head-shake. "I can theorize, and theorize, endlessly," he said, "but is it not better to just study the data more deeply and look for clues?"

"You must have some personal hunch," I insisted.

He gave in gracefully. "They relate to space-time in ways for which we have, at present, no concepts," he said. "They cannot explain to us because we are not ready to understand."

I asked Grady McMurty if Aleister Crowley had ever said anything to him implying the extraterrestrial theory which Kenneth Grant, Outer Head of another Ordo Templi Orientis, implies in his accounts of Crowley's contacts with Higher Intelligences.

"Some of the things Aleister said to me," Grady replied carefully, "could be interpreted as hints pointing that way." He went on to quote Crowley's aphorisms about various of the standard entities contacted by Magick. The Abramelin spirits, for instance, need to be watched carefully. "They bite," Aleister explained in his best deadpan am-I-kidding-or-not? style. The Enochian "angels," on the other hand, don't always have to be summoned. "When you're ready, they come for you," Aleister said flatly. (The Enochian entities were first contacted by Dr. John Dee in the early 17th Century. Dr. Dee, court astrologer to Queen Elizabeth and also an important mathematician, has been controversial from his own time to ours, some writers regarding him as a genius of the first rank and others as a clever lunatic. According to two interesting books, "The World Stage" and "The Rosicrucian Enlightenment," both by a most scrupulous historian, Dr. Francis Yates, Dee was almost certainly a prime mover in the "Illuminati" and "Rosicrucian Brotherhoods" of that time, which played a central role in the birth of modem science. The alleged UFOnaut from Uranus which communicated with the two Naval Intelligence officers gave a name, AFFA, which is a word in the "angelic" language used by the entities Dee contacted. It means Nothing. George Hunt Williamson also got some words in "angelic" from his Space Brothers, remember.)

"The outstanding quality of UFO contactees," Jacques Vallee said at this point, "was incoherence. I now have grave reservations about all physical details they supply," he said.

"They are like people after an auto accident. All they know is that something very serious has happened to them." Only the fact that so many cases involve other witnesses, who see something in the sky before the "contactee" has his/her strange experience, justifies the assumption that what happens is more than "subjective."

"Largely," Doctor Vallee summarized, "they come out of it with a new perspective on humanity. A religious perspective, in general terms. But all the details are contradictory and confusing." He regarded green men, purple giant men, physical craft with windows in them, etc., as falling into the category psychologists call "substitute memory," always provided by the ingenious brain when the actual experience is too shocking to be classified. I asked how many in the room had experienced the contact of what appeared to be Higher Intelligence. Grady and Phylis McMurty put up their hands, as did two young magicians from the Los Angeles area, and myself. Jacques Vallee, curiously, looked as if he might raise his hand, but then evidently changed his mind and did not. I said I inclined to believe the Higher Intelligences were extraterrestrial, and asked what the others thought.

Grady McMurty -- Caliph of the Ordo Templi Orientis -- said, in effect, that the theory of higher dimensions made more sense to him than the extraterrestrial theory in terms of actual space ships entering our biosphere.

The two Los Angeles magicians agreed. Lam, an "extra-terrestrial"
Intelligence with whom Crowley
was in astral contact in 1919.This drawing by Crowley
appeared in an exhibition held
in Greenwich Village, New York,
in the same year
Aliens & Demons & the BibleTom, who had been a witch for five years and hadn't raised his hand when asked for contactee testimony, said that the Higher Intelligences are imbedded in our language and numbers, as the Cabalists think, and have no other kind of existence. He added that every time he tried to explain this he saw that people thought he was going schizophrenic and he began to fear that they might be right, so he preferred not to talk about it at all. Tom-who is a computer programmer by profession, a witch only by religion-later added a bit to this, saying that all that exists is information and coding; we only imagine we have bodies and live in space-time dimensions.

Doctor Vallee listened to all this with a bland smile, and did not seem to regard any of us as mad.

(A few days later, in discussion with the former Vacaville prison psychologist, Dr. Wesley Hiler, I asked him what he really thought of Dr. Leary's extraterrestrial contacts. Specifically, since he didn't regard Leary as crazy or hallucinating, what was happening when Leary thought he was receiving extraterrestrial communications? "Every man and woman who reaches the higher levels of spiritual and intellectual development," Dr. Hiler said calmly, "feels the presence of a Higher Intelligence. Our theories are all unproven. Socrates called it his daemon. Others call it gods or angels. Leary calls it extraterrestrial. Maybe it's just another part of our brain, a part we usually don't use. Who knows?")

Since everybody in the room at this point had either had the required experience, or was willing to speculate about it and study it objectively rather than merely banishing it with the label "hallucination," I went into my rap about the parallels between Leary and Wilhelm Reich. "The attempt to destroy both Dr. Reich and Dr. Leary reached its most intense peak right after they reported their extraterrestrial contacts," I said. "I keep having very weird theories about what that means..."

Grady McMurty nodded vigorously. "That's the $64,000 question," he said emphatically. "For years I've been asking Phylis and everybody else I know: why does the gnosis always get busted? Every single time the energy is raised and large-scale group illuminations are occurring, the local branch of the Inquisition kills it dead. Why, why, why?"

Nobody had any very conclusive ideas.

"I'll tell you what I think," Grady said. "There's war in Heaven. The Higher Intelligences, whoever they are, aren't all playing on the same team. Some of them are trying to encourage our evolution to higher levels, and some of them want to keep us stuck just where we are."

According to Grady, some occult lodges are working with those nonhuman intelligences who want to accelerate human evolution, but some of the others are working with the intelligences who wish to keep us near an animal level of awareness. This is a standard idea in occult circles and it can safely be stated, without exaggeration, that every "school" or "lodge of adepts that exists is regarded, by some of the others, as belonging to the Black Brotherhood of the evil path. Grady's own Ordo Templi Orientis, indeed, has been accused of this more often than have most other occult lodges. I have personally maintained my good cheer and staved off paranoia, while moving among various occult groups as student or participant, by always adhering rigidly to the standard Anglo-Saxon legal maxim that every accused person must be regarded as innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This obviously spares me a lot of worry, but the more guarded approach is very well argued by Isaac Bonewitz, the author of Real Magick. "Paranoid magicians outlive the others," Isaac says.

Somehow the conversation drifted away from Grady's concept of "war in Heaven." Several times, Grady tried to steer us back there, but each time we wandered on to a different subject. Tom said later that he felt a presence in the room deliberately pushing us away from that topic...

Dr. H. -- the psychiatrist whose bad acid-trip had started the Crowleymas party off so jumpily for me -- dropped by the next day, to thank me for "talking him down" from his anxiety attack.

He also, it soon appeared, wanted to tell me about his accelerating experiences with magick. It had started over two years earlier, after an intensive seminar at Esalen. Dr. H. suddenly found that he could see "auras." (The aura of the human body, known to shamans and witches since time immemorial, has been repeatedly rediscovered by scientists, most of whom were thereupon denounced as "cranks." Franz Anton Mesmer called it "animal magnetism," in the 16th century. In the 19th, Baron Reichenbach called it "OD." In the 1920s, Gurvich named it "the mytogenic ray." Wilhelm Reich rediscovered it in the 1930s, called it "orgone energy," and was destroyed by AMA bigots who charged that he was hallucinating it. Kirlian photography has now demonstrated beyond all doubt that this aura exists.) Dr. H. soon found, further, that he could use the aura as a diagnostic tool in analyzing new patients. This experience, Leary's books, and a lecture by me on Crowley's magick, led him to further experiments.

On a beach in Sonoma County, after taking LSD the day before and programming an opening of the self to higher beings or energies, Dr. H. (no longer under the direct influence of the drug) had an experience with Something from the sky. "It wasn't exactly a Higher Intelligence," he said carefully, "or, at least, I didn't receive that aspect of it, if it was Higher Intelligence. To me, it was just energy. Terrible energy. My chest was sore for hours afterward. I thought it would kill me, but I was absolutely ecstatic and egoless at the peak of it. If the chest-pain weren't so intense, it would have been a totally positive experience." (MacGregor Mathers, Outer Head of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and the first occult teacher of such worthies as Aleister Crowley, poet William Butler Yeats and novelist Arthur Machen, once recorded a meeting with the Secret Chiefs. These ambiguous entities, known in several schools of occult training, are variously believed to be discarnate spirits of the great Magi of the past, living Magi who can teleport themselves about as easily as you or I telephone a friend, "angels" in the traditional sense, or merely "beings we cannot understand." In any case, Mathers noted that the meeting, although pleasant, left him feeling as if he'd been "struck by lightning" and he also suffered chest pains and extreme difficulty in breathing. Dr. Israel Regardie has also noted that Alan Bennett, who was Crowley's chief teacher for many years, developed asthma, a chest disease. Crowley developed asthma himself as his contacts with the Secret Chiefs occurred more often; and Regardie finally "caught" asthma for several years after studying with Crowley, a condition which was only cured when he went through the bioenergetic therapy of Wilhelm Reich.) [As an interesting synchronistic aside here, Brother Whitley Strieber, the alleged Space Alien Abductee and prolific author on such topics, also suffers from quite a touch of asthma. Coincidence...? -B:.B:.]








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[exodus]

Nou , dat is wat anders dan wat ik zeg hé Firestone. Met aliens er nog bij en wat nog.
Ik ga er geen commentaar opgeven omdat ik er te weinig over weet.

Nu ja, als je al zo blind bent om niet te zien dat 9/11 een inside job is dan is het echt hopeloos. Ik zal ook geen pogingen meer nemen om iets uit te leggen of in discissie te treden.

[Firestone]

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Nou , dat is wat anders dan wat ik zeg hé Firestone. Met aliens er nog bij en wat nog.
Ik ga er geen commentaar opgeven omdat ik er te weinig over weet.

Nu ja, als je al zo blind bent om niet te zien dat 9/11 een inside job is dan is het echt hopeloos. Ik zal ook geen pogingen meer nemen om iets uit te leggen of in discissie te treden.

Er lopen hier nog meer blinden rond die niet zien dat 9/11 een inside job was, hé.

Zal met de zwakte van jullie 'argumenten' wel niets te maken hebben, zeker.

Jij bent niet blind, je merkt alléén niet dat je 'bewijzen' van de tafel worden geveegd.

Hier kan je je coherente theorie eens uit de doeken doen.

(Doen! Die arme HerrUU zit daar eenzaam en verveeld te wachten ...)

[HerrUU]

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Dossierkennis!!

Al een coherent verhaal voor 11/09/2001, exodus? of ga je je tijd blijven verspillen met dergelijke postings?

[HerrUU]

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Dit hier is een beetje coherent en zo'n beetje in overeenstemming van wat ik te horen kreeg tijdens een yoga retraite in India. Niet te bevatten met een brein dat gedurende meer dan 24 jaar te horen heeft gekregen wat wat is, wat echt is, wat fout is ( examinitis )

.:. Brother Aleister Crowley .:.

from Brother Blue's Mysteriously Missing Pages
reposted by watcher websiteAleister Crowley (1875-1947)

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.


Edward Alexander (Aleister) Crowley [rhymes with "holy"] was born October 12, 1875 in Leamington Spa, England. His parents were members of the Plymouth Brethren, a strict fundamentalist Christian sect. As a result, Aleister grew up with a thorough biblical education and an equally thorough disdain of Christianity.

He attended Trinity College at Cambridge University, leaving just before completing his degree. Shortly thereafter he was introduced to George Cecil Jones, who was a member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. The Golden Dawn was an occult society led by S.L. MacGregor Mathers which taught magick, qabalah, alchemy, tarot, astrology, and other hermetic subjects. It had many notable members (including A.E. Waite, Dion Fortune, and W.B. Yeats), and its influence on the development of modern western occultism was profound.

Crowley was initiated into the Golden Dawn in 1898, and proceeded to climb up rapidly through the grades. But in 1900 the order was shattered by schism, and Crowley left England to travel extensively throughout the East. There he learned and practiced the mental and physical disciplines of yoga, supplementing his knowledge of western-style ritual magick with the methods of Oriental mysticism. In 1903, Crowley married Rose Kelly, and they went to Egypt on their honeymoon. After returning to Cairo in early 1904, Rose (who until this point had shown no interest or familiarity with the occult) began entering trance states and insisting to her husband that the god Horus was trying to contact him. As a test, Crowley took Rose to the Boulak Museum and asked her to point out Horus to him. She passed several well-known images of the god and led Aleister straight to a painted wooden funerary stele from the 26th dynasty, depicting Horus receiving a sacrifice from the deceased, a priest named Ankh-f-n-khonsu. Crowley was especially impressed by the fact that this piece was numbered 666 by the museum, a number with which he had identified since childhood.

The upshot was that he began to listen to Rose, and at her direction, on three successive days beginning April 8, 1904, he entered his chamber at noon and wrote down what he heard dictated from a shadowy presence behind him. The result was the three chapters of verse known as Liber AL vel Legis, or The Book of the Law. This book heralded the dawning of the new aeon of Horus, which would be governed by the Law of Thelema. "Thelema" is a Greek word meaning "will", and the Law of Thelema is often stated as: "Do what thou wilt". As the prophet of this new aeon, Crowley spent the rest of his life working to develop and establish Thelemic philosophy.

In 1906 Crowley rejoined George Cecil Jones in England, where they set about the task of creating a magical order to continue where the Golden Dawn had left off. They called this order the A:.A:. (Astron Argon or Astrum Argentium or Silver Star), and it became the primary vehicle for the transmission of Crowley's mystical and magical training system based on the principles of Thelema.

Then in 1910 Crowley was contacted by Theodore Reuss, the head of an organization based in Germany called the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.). This group of high-ranking Freemasons claimed to have discovered the supreme secret of practical magick, which was taught in its highest degrees. Apparently Crowley agreed, becoming a member of O.T.O. and eventually taking over as head of the order when Reuss suffered a stroke in 1921. Crowley reformulated the rites of the O.T.O. to conform them to the Law of Thelema, and vested the organization with its main purpose of establishing Thelema in the world. The order also became independent of Freemasonry (although still based on the same patterns) and opened its membership to women and men who were not masons.

Aleister Crowley died in Hastings, England on December 1, 1947. However, his legacy lives on in the Law of Thelema which he brought to mankind (along with dozens of books and writings on magick and other mystical subjects), and in the orders A:.A:. and O.T.O. which continue to advance the principles of Thelema to this day.

Love is the law, love under will. Crowleymas, 1974

Brother AL
in PsilenceAs told by Frater Robert Anton Wilson; Holy Discordian, OTO Initiate and CAW Water Brother in his Outstanding Masterpiece of Speculative Illumination "Cosmic Trigger." Recalling Crowleymas (October 12) 1974, Brother Wilson hath eloquently stated:


...And then Jacques Vallee arrived.

I had wanted to talk to Doctor Vallee for several months now and I immediately kidnapped him into a room which the other party- goers were not informed about. On the way, we spotted Hymenaeus Alpha (Grady McMurty), Caliph of the Ordo Templi Orientis, and his wife, Phylis.

The Skeptic had heard Jacques Vallee talk at a conference on Science and Spirit, sponsored by the Theosophical Society, earlier in the year. He had taken a new approach to the UFO mystery and was systematically feeding all the reports of extraterrestrial contacts into a giant computer. The computer was programmed to look for various possible repeated patterns. Jacques said that the evidence emerging suggested to him that the UFOs weren't extraterrestrial at all, but that they seemed to be intelligent systems intent on convincing us they were extraterrestrial. [Indeed, even as our Dear Brother Terence McKenna hath said, "We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extraterrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us." -B:.B:.]

Now the Skeptic started pumping Jacques about his evidence that they weren't extraterrestrial. He started to explain that, analyzing the reports chronologically, it appeared that They (whoever or whatever they are) always strive to give the impression that they are something the society they are visiting can understand. In medieval sightings, he said, they called themselves angels; in the great 1902 flap in several states, one of the craft spoke to a West Virginia farmer and said they were an airship invented and flown from Kansas; in 1940s-1950s sightings, they often said they were from Venus; since Venus has been examined and seems incapable of supporting life, they now say they are from another star-system in this galaxy.

"Where do you think they come from?" I asked.

Doctor Vallee gave the Gallic form of the classic scientific Not- Speculating-Beyond-The-Data head-shake. "I can theorize, and theorize, endlessly," he said, "but is it not better to just study the data more deeply and look for clues?"

"You must have some personal hunch," I insisted.

He gave in gracefully. "They relate to space-time in ways for which we have, at present, no concepts," he said. "They cannot explain to us because we are not ready to understand."

I asked Grady McMurty if Aleister Crowley had ever said anything to him implying the extraterrestrial theory which Kenneth Grant, Outer Head of another Ordo Templi Orientis, implies in his accounts of Crowley's contacts with Higher Intelligences.

"Some of the things Aleister said to me," Grady replied carefully, "could be interpreted as hints pointing that way." He went on to quote Crowley's aphorisms about various of the standard entities contacted by Magick. The Abramelin spirits, for instance, need to be watched carefully. "They bite," Aleister explained in his best deadpan am-I-kidding-or-not? style. The Enochian "angels," on the other hand, don't always have to be summoned. "When you're ready, they come for you," Aleister said flatly. (The Enochian entities were first contacted by Dr. John Dee in the early 17th Century. Dr. Dee, court astrologer to Queen Elizabeth and also an important mathematician, has been controversial from his own time to ours, some writers regarding him as a genius of the first rank and others as a clever lunatic. According to two interesting books, "The World Stage" and "The Rosicrucian Enlightenment," both by a most scrupulous historian, Dr. Francis Yates, Dee was almost certainly a prime mover in the "Illuminati" and "Rosicrucian Brotherhoods" of that time, which played a central role in the birth of modem science. The alleged UFOnaut from Uranus which communicated with the two Naval Intelligence officers gave a name, AFFA, which is a word in the "angelic" language used by the entities Dee contacted. It means Nothing. George Hunt Williamson also got some words in "angelic" from his Space Brothers, remember.)

"The outstanding quality of UFO contactees," Jacques Vallee said at this point, "was incoherence. I now have grave reservations about all physical details they supply," he said.

"They are like people after an auto accident. All they know is that something very serious has happened to them." Only the fact that so many cases involve other witnesses, who see something in the sky before the "contactee" has his/her strange experience, justifies the assumption that what happens is more than "subjective."

"Largely," Doctor Vallee summarized, "they come out of it with a new perspective on humanity. A religious perspective, in general terms. But all the details are contradictory and confusing." He regarded green men, purple giant men, physical craft with windows in them, etc., as falling into the category psychologists call "substitute memory," always provided by the ingenious brain when the actual experience is too shocking to be classified. I asked how many in the room had experienced the contact of what appeared to be Higher Intelligence. Grady and Phylis McMurty put up their hands, as did two young magicians from the Los Angeles area, and myself. Jacques Vallee, curiously, looked as if he might raise his hand, but then evidently changed his mind and did not. I said I inclined to believe the Higher Intelligences were extraterrestrial, and asked what the others thought.

Grady McMurty -- Caliph of the Ordo Templi Orientis -- said, in effect, that the theory of higher dimensions made more sense to him than the extraterrestrial theory in terms of actual space ships entering our biosphere.

The two Los Angeles magicians agreed. Lam, an "extra-terrestrial"
Intelligence with whom Crowley
was in astral contact in 1919.This drawing by Crowley
appeared in an exhibition held
in Greenwich Village, New York,
in the same year
Aliens & Demons & the BibleTom, who had been a witch for five years and hadn't raised his hand when asked for contactee testimony, said that the Higher Intelligences are imbedded in our language and numbers, as the Cabalists think, and have no other kind of existence. He added that every time he tried to explain this he saw that people thought he was going schizophrenic and he began to fear that they might be right, so he preferred not to talk about it at all. Tom-who is a computer programmer by profession, a witch only by religion-later added a bit to this, saying that all that exists is information and coding; we only imagine we have bodies and live in space-time dimensions.

Doctor Vallee listened to all this with a bland smile, and did not seem to regard any of us as mad.

(A few days later, in discussion with the former Vacaville prison psychologist, Dr. Wesley Hiler, I asked him what he really thought of Dr. Leary's extraterrestrial contacts. Specifically, since he didn't regard Leary as crazy or hallucinating, what was happening when Leary thought he was receiving extraterrestrial communications? "Every man and woman who reaches the higher levels of spiritual and intellectual development," Dr. Hiler said calmly, "feels the presence of a Higher Intelligence. Our theories are all unproven. Socrates called it his daemon. Others call it gods or angels. Leary calls it extraterrestrial. Maybe it's just another part of our brain, a part we usually don't use. Who knows?")

Since everybody in the room at this point had either had the required experience, or was willing to speculate about it and study it objectively rather than merely banishing it with the label "hallucination," I went into my rap about the parallels between Leary and Wilhelm Reich. "The attempt to destroy both Dr. Reich and Dr. Leary reached its most intense peak right after they reported their extraterrestrial contacts," I said. "I keep having very weird theories about what that means..."

Grady McMurty nodded vigorously. "That's the $64,000 question," he said emphatically. "For years I've been asking Phylis and everybody else I know: why does the gnosis always get busted? Every single time the energy is raised and large-scale group illuminations are occurring, the local branch of the Inquisition kills it dead. Why, why, why?"

Nobody had any very conclusive ideas.

"I'll tell you what I think," Grady said. "There's war in Heaven. The Higher Intelligences, whoever they are, aren't all playing on the same team. Some of them are trying to encourage our evolution to higher levels, and some of them want to keep us stuck just where we are."

According to Grady, some occult lodges are working with those nonhuman intelligences who want to accelerate human evolution, but some of the others are working with the intelligences who wish to keep us near an animal level of awareness. This is a standard idea in occult circles and it can safely be stated, without exaggeration, that every "school" or "lodge of adepts that exists is regarded, by some of the others, as belonging to the Black Brotherhood of the evil path. Grady's own Ordo Templi Orientis, indeed, has been accused of this more often than have most other occult lodges. I have personally maintained my good cheer and staved off paranoia, while moving among various occult groups as student or participant, by always adhering rigidly to the standard Anglo-Saxon legal maxim that every accused person must be regarded as innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This obviously spares me a lot of worry, but the more guarded approach is very well argued by Isaac Bonewitz, the author of Real Magick. "Paranoid magicians outlive the others," Isaac says.

Somehow the conversation drifted away from Grady's concept of "war in Heaven." Several times, Grady tried to steer us back there, but each time we wandered on to a different subject. Tom said later that he felt a presence in the room deliberately pushing us away from that topic...

Dr. H. -- the psychiatrist whose bad acid-trip had started the Crowleymas party off so jumpily for me -- dropped by the next day, to thank me for "talking him down" from his anxiety attack.

He also, it soon appeared, wanted to tell me about his accelerating experiences with magick. It had started over two years earlier, after an intensive seminar at Esalen. Dr. H. suddenly found that he could see "auras." (The aura of the human body, known to shamans and witches since time immemorial, has been repeatedly rediscovered by scientists, most of whom were thereupon denounced as "cranks." Franz Anton Mesmer called it "animal magnetism," in the 16th century. In the 19th, Baron Reichenbach called it "OD." In the 1920s, Gurvich named it "the mytogenic ray." Wilhelm Reich rediscovered it in the 1930s, called it "orgone energy," and was destroyed by AMA bigots who charged that he was hallucinating it. Kirlian photography has now demonstrated beyond all doubt that this aura exists.) Dr. H. soon found, further, that he could use the aura as a diagnostic tool in analyzing new patients. This experience, Leary's books, and a lecture by me on Crowley's magick, led him to further experiments.

On a beach in Sonoma County, after taking LSD the day before and programming an opening of the self to higher beings or energies, Dr. H. (no longer under the direct influence of the drug) had an experience with Something from the sky. "It wasn't exactly a Higher Intelligence," he said carefully, "or, at least, I didn't receive that aspect of it, if it was Higher Intelligence. To me, it was just energy. Terrible energy. My chest was sore for hours afterward. I thought it would kill me, but I was absolutely ecstatic and egoless at the peak of it. If the chest-pain weren't so intense, it would have been a totally positive experience." (MacGregor Mathers, Outer Head of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and the first occult teacher of such worthies as Aleister Crowley, poet William Butler Yeats and novelist Arthur Machen, once recorded a meeting with the Secret Chiefs. These ambiguous entities, known in several schools of occult training, are variously believed to be discarnate spirits of the great Magi of the past, living Magi who can teleport themselves about as easily as you or I telephone a friend, "angels" in the traditional sense, or merely "beings we cannot understand." In any case, Mathers noted that the meeting, although pleasant, left him feeling as if he'd been "struck by lightning" and he also suffered chest pains and extreme difficulty in breathing. Dr. Israel Regardie has also noted that Alan Bennett, who was Crowley's chief teacher for many years, developed asthma, a chest disease. Crowley developed asthma himself as his contacts with the Secret Chiefs occurred more often; and Regardie finally "caught" asthma for several years after studying with Crowley, a condition which was only cured when he went through the bioenergetic therapy of Wilhelm Reich.) [As an interesting synchronistic aside here, Brother Whitley Strieber, the alleged Space Alien Abductee and prolific author on such topics, also suffers from quite a touch of asthma. Coincidence...? -B:.B:.]








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Dit kan je gelijk klasseren bij elk uitgegeven werk van Von Däniken en consoorten. Niet dat ik hier ga ontkennen dat buitenaards leven niet bestaat, maar dit is me toch wat te sterk.

[HerrUU]

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Voila, de geliefde techniek van de disbelievers, val de bronnen aan, terwijl ik daar totaal niet over gesproken heb.

Ik heb gewoon gezocht op google naar "bush clinton horned sign", omdat ik wist wat ik zocht. Ik kwam toevallig op die pagina van die site.

Ik weet zelfs niet wat er op die site staat. Ik gaf die foto's , niet de inhoud van die site.

Dus je doet geen onderzoek naar je bronnen?? Wat een dossierkennis!

Heb je nog zo van die blunders die je hier met ons wil delen?

[exodus]

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Dus je doet geen onderzoek naar je bronnen?? Wat een dossierkennis!

Heb je nog zo van die blunders die je hier met ons wil delen?

Die foto's waren mijn bronnen, ze zijn ook op andere sites te vinden.

[exodus]

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Dit kan je gelijk klasseren bij elk uitgegeven werk van Von Däniken en consoorten. Niet dat ik hier ga ontkennen dat buitenaards leven niet bestaat, maar dit is me toch wat te sterk.

Je gaat niet ontkennen dat buitenaards leven bestaat, heb je daar wel bewijzen voor???

Ik ga niet ontkennen dat 9/11 een inside job is!!