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[FallenByTheHand]

Van die prive-firma's legers heb ik ook al gehoord. Die bestaan in principe ook al veel langer, en worden ook al sinds oudsher gebruikt om 'clandestiene' operaties uit te voeren.

[tony p]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door tony p

Als explosieven onzin zijn, wat was het dan wel? Je gaat mij vooral niet wijsmaken dat het die paar brandjes waren, stalen wolkenkrabbers storten namelijk niet in door brand, die branden misschien helemaal uit (zoals in Madrid nog niet zo lang geleden), maar instorten? Nee

kijk zeker eens naar http://www.911truestory.com/LooseChangeDemolition.wmv en http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgSa...e%20wtc%20wtc7

of ook wel http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...73566596731782

[FallenByTheHand]

Die Torens? ah ja heb een paar maanden geleden ook een reportage op de VRT gezien waaruit zou blijken dat het allemaal opgezet spel was. Misschien is het dat ook, dat weet ik niet. Het is uiteindelijk minder belangrijk, belangrijker is dat het gebruikt werd als propaganda voor oorlog en dat we tegen die orlog moeten zijn etc.

(vroeger zou ik het wel belangrijk gevonden hebben, maar nu beschouw ik het tot op zekere hoogte bijzaak wie die vliegtuigen heeft gekaapt en die torens laten instorten)

[tony p]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jonas Elossov

Ten eerste is het vrij duidelijk dat Amerika inderdaad zich zal terugtrekken uit het wespen-nest van het midden-oosten; maar zijn olie dichtbij zal halen op Amerikaanse bodem.

ondertussen zijn we al een jaartje verder en...
"More US troops for Iraq, Afghanistan"
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/42d5b114-cff...b5df10621.html

[StevenNr1]

Artikels:
'Iraqi resistance winning, but it will be a long war'
en
The Salvador Option exposed. (zie pdf links)

[FallenByTheHand]

Volgens mij was dat een specifieke mening van Jonas, want ik heb voor de rest geen LSP'ers zoiets explicitiet horen stellen. Misschien wel als een mogelijkheid (naast andere mogelijkheden), maar niet als dat dat zeker ging gebeuren.

Het kan natuurlijk zijn dat Jonas' visie nog steeds bewaarheid wordt, maar dan wel een stuk later dan vandaag.

Wel is het zo dat ook een deel van de Amerikaanse elite zich vragen stelt bij de strategie van Bush - dat rapport dat pleitte voor toenadering met Iran en Syrië om Irak te stabiliseren is daar een voorbeeld van.

[StevenNr1]

Opmerking over artikel op LSP-site, ik lees driemaal het woord burgeroorlog zonder één keer echt de rol van het imperialisme hierin vermeld te zien.
En dan in een ander artikel: "Vandaag spreekt zelfs de pers openlijk over een burgeroorlog," Misschien is dat wel de bedoeling?

[tony p]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door StevenNr1

Opmerking over artikel op LSP-site, ik lees driemaal het woord burgeroorlog zonder één keer echt de rol van het imperialisme hierin vermeld te zien.

welke rol van het imperialisme?

[StevenNr1]

:-p

[tony p]

http://www.albasrah.net/en_articles_...ort_090507.htm

Former collaborator discloses details of US-ordered assassinations, sectarian bomb attacks targeting Iraqi civilians and aimed at sparking sectarian fighting.

In a dispatch posted at 4:56pm Baghdad time Wednesday afternoon, the Association of Muslim Scholars of Iraq (AMSI) reported Quds Press as saying that an Iraqi who asked not to be identified had disclosed some of the US activities such as assassinations and bombings in markets that aim at sparking sectarian fighting among Iraqis so as to facilitate the partition of the country.

The AMSI reported the source as saying that he worked with the US occupation troops for about two and a half years and then was able to flee from them to an area outside Baghdad where, he hopes, the Americans will not be able to get to him.

The former Iraqi collaborator recalled: “I was a soldier in the Iraqi army in the war of 1991 and during the withdrawal from Kuwait I decided to seek asylum in Saudi Arabia along with dozens of others like me. That was how began the process whereby I was recruited into the American forces, for there were US military committees that chose a number of Iraqis who were willing to volunteer to join them and be transported to America. I was one of those,” he said.

The former collaborator went on: “In 1992 I was taken to America, specifically to an island where most of the establishments were military. I was with a number of other Iraqis, one of them the former governor of an-Najaf, ‘Adnan adh-Dharfi. We received military training and intense courses in English and in how to carry out tasks like assassination,” he recounted.

The former collaborator said that during the 2003 invasion and subsequent war, he was transported back to the interior of Iraq to carry out specific tasks assigned him by the US agencies.

“During the last war that led to the occupation of Iraq,” he recalled, “I was with a group of my comrades who had received training in America in how to spread chaos in the ranks of the Iraqi army. We were brought into Iraq across the border from Saudi Arabia. We put on Iraqi army uniforms and out mission was basically to spread rumors among the Iraqis, such as that the American army had already got into such-and-such a city, or that it is on the outskirts of Baghdad and other such things, which were part of the reason for the rapid collapse of the Iraqi forces,” he said.

The former collaborator went on: “the unit that I was with settled in the presidential palace in the al-A‘zamiyah district. We were allowed to visit our relatives and relations in Baghdad once a month, and so I would go visit my family in ‘Madinat as-Sadr’ in eastern Baghdad. But after things began to get worse and the armed men began to shot at everyone leaving the palace, I asked my family to come to the palace every now and then so I could see them. My job was being a guard, but after a time that situation changed and the American occupation forces put me in charge of a group of a unit that carried out assassinations in the streets of Baghdad,” he said.

“Our task was to carry out assassinations of individuals. The US occupation army would supply us with their names, pictures, and maps of their daily movements to and from their place of residence and we were supposed to kill the Shi‘i, for example, in the [Sunni district of] al-A‘zamiyah, and kill the Sunni in the [Shi‘i district] of ‘Madinat as-Sadr’, and so on.”

“Anyone in the unit who made a mistake was killed. Three members of my team were killed by US occupation forces after they failed to assassinate Sunni political figures in Baghdad. A US force that had been so-ordered eliminated them. That took place two years ago,” the former collaborator recalled.

The former collaborator said that the Americans have a unit for “dirty jobs.” That unit is a mix of Iraqis, Americans, and foreigners and of the security detachments that are deployed in Baghdad and other Iraqi cities. This unit doesn’t only carry out assassinations, but some of them specialize in planting bombs and car bombs in neighborhoods and markets. This unit carries out operations in which wanted people whom the American army does not want killed are arrested.

The former collaborator said that “operations of planting car bombs and blowing up explosives in markets are carried out in various ways, the best-known and most famous among the US troops is placing a bomb inside cars as they are being searched at checkpoints. Another way is to put bombs in the cars during interrogations. After the desired person is summoned to one of the US bases, a bomb is place in his car and he is asked to drive to a police station or a marked for some purpose and there his car blows up.”

AMSI noted that the testimony of the former collaborator is consistent with some western reports that have disclosed the involvement of US military personnel in bombings that target Iraqi civilians. The British reporter Robert Fisk, AMSI noted, had recently met with Iraqis in Syria concerning such “black operations” carried out by the Americans.

The Egyptian writer and former editor of al-Ahram, Muhammad Hasanayn Haykal, also noted in an interview with al-Jazeera satellite TV that there are mercenaries who practically make up an army second only to the regular US army in Iraq in terms of their numbers and equipment. This force is now called the “Knights of Malta” Haykal said, and they are the cause of many of the attacks that target Iraqi civilians. Haykal noted that there are Iraqis and Lebanese working in the ranks of that force.

[StevenNr1]

Maar euh das niet door Amerikanen geschreven...

[tony p]

Iraqi Marxist Insurgent Group Declared

http://www.iraqslogger.com/index.php...others_in_Iraq

[tony p]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jonas Elossov

Ten eerste is het vrij duidelijk dat Amerika inderdaad zich zal terugtrekken uit het wespen-nest van het midden-oosten; maar zijn olie dichtbij zal halen op Amerikaanse bodem.

en ja hoor, Bush heeft zijn plannen voor Irak aangepast: hij wil opnieuw binnenvallen!
http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/index.php?itemid=2541 (George W. Bush Demands progress in Iraq : Threatens Invasion)

[StevenNr1]

Shortly after its invasion, the US established 110 bases in Iraq. The present plan seems to be to consolidate these into 14 "enduring bases" in Iraqi Kurdistan, at Baghdad airport, in Anbar province and in the southern approaches to Baghdad.

The construction of a US embassy able to house 1,000 staff on a 100 acre site on the banks of the Tigris - the biggest US embassy in the world - does not point to an early US disengagement from Iraq.

Bron: US is building bases in Iraq