De grote 9/11 topic

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Seeking to corroborate the NY1 video evidence, we have looked at witness testimony from the FDNY oral histories and PAPD accounts, and we have found two kinds of corroborating evidence, direct and indirect. The direct evidence has confirmed that a quite intense shaking of the earth began well before debris impact and that some degree of earth shaking took place before collapse initiation. The indirect (auditory) evidence suggests that the distinct sounds associated with shaking of the earth began well before debris
impact. Some of these accounts confirm that the sounds, and by implication the vibrations, began before visible collapse of the South Tower.

Goh , vreemd hè , dat je eerst vanalles hoort voordat de instorting begint !
sterker nog je kon het ook zien .
Ze bevestigen hier juist dat het geen C.D. is

[Svennies]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door atmosphere

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Goh , vreemd hè , dat je eerst vanalles hoort voordat de instorting begint !
sterker nog je kon het ook zien .
Ze bevestigen hier juist dat het geen C.D. is

Ik zou het eerst maar eens begrijpend lezen....

Het gaat niet over horen,maar over schudden voor de instorting...

En hoe zit het met uw excuses ...

Ik wacht nog altijd aangezien ik het niet neem dat u mij verdacht maakt om hier met een dubbelnick te werken..

Zoniet contacteer ik de moderatie...

[Micele]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Svennies

Het gaat niet over horen,maar over schudden voor de instorting...

Idd. respectievelijke Aardschokken dit vóór de instortingen begonnen, en dit telkens voor de 3 Towers. Bij WTC7 zelfs 10 sec ervoor.

... the evidence we now possess that the earth shook before the initiation of each of the three dramatic building collapses of 9/11

Begrijpend Engels lezen is wslk teveel gevraagd, maar waarom heb ik een sterk vermoeden dat zijn negeer/- minimaliseermodus alweer aanstaat ?

The official explanation of the collapses given by NIST is not compatible with these precollapse perturbations.

samengevat: NIST official explanation = prullemand.

[atmosphere]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Svennies

Ik zou het eerst maar eens begrijpend lezen....

Het gaat niet over horen,maar over schudden voor de instorting...

ok , ook goed
Dan kunnen het dus nooit explosieven zijn want die hoor je!


En hoe zit het met uw excuses ...[/quote]

Die komt er niet aangezien ik niets bijzonders gezegd heb.
bovendien, zit ik er misschien niet naast. controleren kan ik het echter toch niet, er kan ook vanaf 2 IP adressen worden gepost door 1 persoon.


Ik wacht nog altijd aangezien ik het niet neem dat u mij verdacht maakt om hier met een dubbelnick te werken..

Zoniet contacteer ik de moderatie...[/quote]

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door atmosphere

ok , ook goed
Dan kunnen het dus nooit explosieven zijn want die hoor je!

en daar zouden ook bewijzen van te vinden zijn!

[atmosphere]

Er klopt niets van de claims over sysmic evidence:

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/d...n/seismic.html

[Svennies]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door atmosphere

ok , ook goed
Dan kunnen het dus nooit explosieven zijn want die hoor je!


En hoe zit het met uw excuses Die komt er niet aangezien ik niets bijzonders gezegd heb.
bovendien, zit ik er misschien niet naast. controleren kan ik het echter toch niet, er kan ook vanaf 2 IP adressen worden gepost door 1 persoon.


Ik wacht nog altijd aangezien ik het niet neem dat u mij verdacht maakt om hier met een dubbelnick te werken..

Zoniet contacteer ik de moderatie...

U bent dus bij deze gerapporteert...

[Micele]

Nog altijd inhoudsloos...

NIST = prullemand.

Samengevat, de eerste 16:

Following are 16 WTC first responder descriptions of explosive noises well BEFORE the towers collapsed:

"Sounded like bombs" –Keith Murphy
"A huge explosion" –Gerard Gorman
"Sound of popping and exploding" –Alwish Monchery
"Explosions" –William Burns
"Kept hearing these large boom, boom" –Rosario Terranova
"Sounded like explosions." –Anthony Fitzgerald
"Like a shotgun going off" –Mark Meier
"Sounded like explosions" –Wilfred Barriere
"Sounded like bombs, like blockbusters" –John Murray
"You could hear explosions" –Richard Smiouskas
"Sounded like an M-80, that's how loud they were" –Tim Pearson
"Sounds like a shotgun" –Eric Ronningen
"Sounded like an explosion" –John Morabito
"There were lots of explosions" –Jeff Birnbaum
"Under the assumption that the sounds were secondary bombs." –Andrew Rodriguez
"Sounded like bombs. Like a bomb going off. I mean, it was huge." –FDNY Deputy Chief Peter Hayden

Uit het wetenschappelijk onderzoek van de aardschokken, de oral histories in detail :

page 25:

Preliminary Conclusions:
I began this paper by noting NIST’s claims that “there were no seismic signals that occurred prior to the initiation of the collapse of either tower,” that the seismic spikes recorded by the Palisades seismic station occurred about 9 seconds after the beginning of the South Tower collapse, and that these spikes were the result of debris impacting the ground. We can now evaluate these statements. Although LDEO presumably recorded no relevant seismic signal prior to collapse initiation, we have certainly found one on the NY1 video clip. And although debris impacting the ground did cause a seismic spike, it now seems that the seismic spikes recorded by the Palisades seismic station began well before debris struck the ground (probably between six and eight seconds before debris strike) and considerably less than nine seconds after the beginning of collapse.

Direct Corroboration

I have argued that the earth shook well before the South Tower hit the ground and, indeed, before visible collapse initiation. But the next question must be: Is there corroborating evidence? It may seem, after all, that I am allowing a great deal to depend on a single source, the NY1 video clip.

One of the richest forms of information about the WTC on 9/11 is witness testimony, so let us turn to this. Witness testimony tends to be qualitatively thick but quantitatively thin.

We may get accurate and vivid descriptions of key events but we will seldom be able to measure quantities and will in most cases be unable, on this basis alone, to construct a detailed time-line. But let us see what we can learn.

I shall restrict myself to two sources of witness testimony, the oral histories collected by the Fire Department of New York (FDNY) and the written accounts of the Port Authority Police Department (PAPD). [32]

Although I will concentrate on accounts of the South Tower’s collapse, I will begin with four accounts of the North Tower coming down.
(1)
"As we approached Chambers Street, kept walking, still no one had told us
about the total collapse [of the South Tower]. We get down to about
Barclay and Vesey Street, which is a block away from the overpass, the
bridge overpass that goes across the West Side Highway.
All you hear is a rumbling in the street. It sounded like an earthquake.
When I was a younger kid, I was in an earthquake and it felt like the same
exact feeling. I looked, and I could see the antenna on the top of the roof
coming straight down.
We all turned and just threw our rollups down and started running as fast
as we could." John Amato (9110421), FDNY, p. 3-4.
Notice in this account the close connection between feeling and sound. Connecting the experience to an earthquake, he says, “It felt like the same exact feeling,” but he also says, “It sounded like an earthquake” (my emphasis). It seems that the “rumbling” he experienced (“rumbling” is an extremely common term in the oral histories to describe the Towers coming down) refers simultaneously to sound and feeling.
The other thing that is helpful about the above account of the North Tower’s collapse is the reference to an event with a known time. Amato hears and feels the rumbling, then looks up and sees the antenna coming down. From videos of the North Tower’s collapse, we know that the antenna became lost to sight well before debris struck the ground. [33]

So we know that the shaking he is describing could not possibly have been caused by debris striking the ground. This is an example of how witness testimony, although not as precise as we might wish, may be precise enough to establish a very important point.

Three PAPD accounts, also referring to the North Tower, will be useful to look at next since each corroborates the above account.

(2) "Someone said, 'Duck!' Captain Anthony Whitaker grabbed me and threw
me behind the truck. We huddled behind the truck as the building came
down. The sound was deafening. The street was bouncing like a trampoline."
Michael Shuhala, Part 2, p. 60

It is impossible to determine precise times from the Shuhala account, but we note again the close connection of sound and shaking. They are simultaneous. It is possible that the shaking did not begin until debris struck the ground, but there is nothing in this account to suggest it.

(3) "We regrouped and started back to help the injuried [sic] as we went back
towards Building #1. After walking two blocks the ground shook and I saw
the top of Building #1 start to collapse--everyone started to leave the area
for safety." Gary Gersitz, Part 3, p. 40
This witness suggests that the shaking of the earth began at least as early as collapse initiation.

(4) "I was standing there about 15-20 seconds when Inspector Fields ran up to me and said the building was going to come down. The ground started to
shake, I looked up and saw the top of 1 WTC start to collapse. I started to
run..." B. Pikaard Part 2, p. 17
This account suggests the shaking of the earth preceded collapse initiation.
Since we are concentrating on the South Tower in this investigation, let us now turn to FDNY and PAPD accounts of the South Tower’s collapse.

(5)"I lost track of time. You start to hear this rumble. You hear this rumble.
Everything is shaking. Now I'm like, what the hell could that be. I'm thinking we're going to get bombed. This is an air raid.
You hear this thunder, this rumbling. Then you see the building start to
come down. Everybody's like, 'Run for your lives! The building is coming
down!'" Jody Bell (9110335), FDNY, p. 9-11
Again we have “rumbling,” and again it is associated not only with hearing but with feeling (“shaking”). Bell guesses that planes are in the sky (“This is an air raid.”) This disturbance precedes visual signs of collapse (“Then you see the building start to come down”).

(6) "-- at that time, I heard a rumble, you know, and then it was, you know,
really like, almost like an earthquake.
Then what happened was I heard people screaming and running and then it
seemed like they were going to -- it was like going to be a trampling. It was
just like bedlam...Then I started to run for safety too, because I looked up
and I saw that the building was going to come down. We were right across
the street from it...suddenly, I was near that garage area, the sky as it
blacks out, and then all of a sudden, it just came down."
Alexander Loutsky (9110151), FDNY, p. 10, 11
Again we have a reference to a rumble, and by now we suspect both feeling and hearing are involved when he makes the comparison to an earthquake. Once again, this disturbance begins very early: “I looked up and I saw that the building was going to come
down.” He does not say how he knew it was going to come down, but perhaps he saw the tilting of the top portion of the building.

(7) "We went approximately one or two blocks when all of a sudden heard this
big roar. It sounded like another plane coming in or it sounded like an
earthquake, but it just didn't sound right. So we all started running, my
partner and I, and we had the commissioner with us also. The next thing I
know we were engulfed in this black cloud of smoke..."
Richard McCurry (9110371), FDNY, p. 5
Fire Marshal McCurry’s account does not allow a precise time estimate. We cannot rule out the possibility that debris was striking the ground as this disturbance began. But I want to draw attention to the word “roar,” which is probably second in frequency only to “rumble” in the FDNY collapse descriptions. Note that we also have another comparison to the sound of a plane, a comparison which, as Appendix D at the end of this article
makes clear, is extremely common.

(8) "I was in back of the vehicle and I heard, it sounded like I thought another
plane had struck the building. This loud bang and then it sounded like a
locomotive, or like when I used to live in Howard Beach, when the planes
used to come in at night, flying right over the house. Everything started
shaking and I heard like a thunderstorm. Somebody screamed it's coming
down. I don't remember if it was on the radio, because the side door of the
bus was open. The back door of the truck--I could see out of. I looked, and
I bent all the way down to look up as far as I could, and I could see the
cloud coming. I thought the building was actually falling over. I didn't
know it was pancaking."
Eric Rodriguez (9110094), FDNY, p. 7
Although we cannot make a precise time estimate from this account, the time of the
disturbance seems early. There are the familiar references to planes, thunder and shaking,
and only after this do we have someone scream “it’s coming down.” When he speaks of
the cloud coming we do not know if he is referring to the flow of pulverized material that
spread through the streets after collapse or if he is referring to the vertical descent of the pulverization wave. His final comments suggest the latter. The account certainly suggests that the earth shook before debris hit the ground.

(9) "At that time we were looking at the top of the towers and all the rubble
and people coming off, and all of a sudden you heard -- it sounded like
another airplane, or a missile. It was like a slow shake. The whole ground
just vibrated and shook. We just told everybody to run, run into a building,
let's go, run, run, run...” John Rothmund (9110112), FDNY, p. 5-6
Rothmund is describing a shaking of the earth that occurred very early, probably prior to any visible sign of building collapse. He sees rubble and people coming off the buildings—this took place over quite a lengthy period and does not suggest building
collapse—and then he experiences the hearing and feeling with which we are by now familiar.

(10) "The next thing you know, you hear a loud thundering noise. It sounded
like a jet, a big rumble. I start looking around and I'm like, what is that?
The next thing I know, I see the cop just take off. I'm like, where's he going?
Then I see the things on the floor, like Liberty -- you know, just like the
movies, bouncing up and jumping and shaking. I mean, not like an earthquake, like a 6 point something or something like that. But you see
stuff on the floor shaking from side to side. I'm like, oh, my God. I look up
and I was saying, oh, no, the building's going to fall down.
...
Q. "So you had a feeling the building was coming down right away?"
A. "Yeah."
Q. "Is that what you first thought?"
A. "Yeah. The sound, it's just loud. At first it's (sound) and then you feel
everything around you -- not around you but the floor. You feel the floor
trembling and shaking. You look at the floor, the dirt, the sand and
everything on the floor shifting from side to side. I'm like, oh, man..."
Robert Ruiz (9110333), FDNY, p. 10 ff.
Ruiz hears the rumble and thunder, thinks of the jet plane, and clearly experiences the
shaking of the ground (FDNY members often talk of the “floor” when many of us would
refer to the “ground”) before the building has even begun to descend. “I look up and I was
saying, oh, no, the building's going to fall down.” It is not clear how he knows the South
Tower is going to collapse.
(11)
"Shortly before the first tower came down I remember feeling the ground
shaking. I heard a terrible noise, and then debris just started flying
everywhere. People started running toward the staging area."
"By the time the debris settled from the first collapse, we started to walk
back east towards West Street, and a few minutes later -- I really don't
remember the time frames because we were so busy in trying to account for
who was in the staging area and who wasn't -- we basically had the same
thing: The ground shook again, and we heard another terrible noise and
the next think [sic] we knew the second tower was coming down."
Bradley Mann (9110194), FDNY, p. 5, 6, 7
Mann is confident about the sequence of events, which he says was the same for both
buildings. The shaking came early—either before, or at the same time as, the loud sound.
Only then did the wave of debris come down. The earth began shaking before visible
signs of collapse.

(12)
"...at that exact moment I can feel -- or hear the noise first. I hear a noise.
Right after that noise, you could feel the building start to shudder, tremble,
under your feet.
Somebody said to me, 'What's going on?' I said, 'What's going on? The
fucking building -- the goddamn building is coming down'...I knew what
was coming down. The building I was in was coming down...
I remember taking a few steps and trying to run, and you're either thrown
or blown off your feet....
It was a terrible noise. Besides the building shuddering, the sound was
horrendous. To me it sounded like steel cutting through steel."
Brian O'Flaherty (9110431), FDNY, p. 13-15
Precise times cannot be determined from O’Flaherty’s account, but the shuddering and the
sound are closely connected and certainly seem to precede debris strike.

(13)
"...we started ahead like halfway across West Street with our stuff, and the
ground started shaking like a train was coming... You looked up, and it
looked like a ticker tape parade off the back of the building, because all
this stuff started coming down...We came halfway across the street, and the
building was coming down."
Joseph Fortis (9110200), FDNY, p. 7-8
The earth shake either accompanied, or preceded, collapse initiation.

(14)
"After that, I helped one lady out of the front of the Marriott entrance, I
recall. I was on my way back...Then on my way back to the entrance, I felt
the ground shake, I turned around and ran for my life.
I made it as far as the Financial Center, like right before it, behind the last
Hatzolah ambulance facing the Trade Center, when the collapse
happened...
...
I assisted that lady to the Hatzolah ambulance and was on my way back
when we felt the rumble. My partner actually came sort of like running up
to me but not all the way. What should I do. I just said go get a long board
from the ambulance and that was the last I saw of him. We felt the ground
shake. You could see the towers sway [tower sway?] and then it just came
down...”
Lonnie Penn (9110203), FDNY, p. 2-3, 5

The earth shake seems to have preceded collapse initiation.

(15)"Just at this time, another firefighter began to yell to us from across the
street. He was looking up at the Towers and yelled for us to hurry up since
he thought the second Tower was about to fall. The two firefighters and
myself again picked up the injured man and managed to walk three or four
steps when we felt extreme vibration and an incredible noise 'like a
thousand freight trains.' I knew instantly that the Tower was falling down."
Timothy Norris, PAPD, Part 1, p. 34

Vibration and noise are closely connected in this account. The earth shake either accompanied or preceded collapse initiation.

(16)
"As I walked to the window I heard this incredible noise. It's difficult to
describe what it had sounded or felt like. It was like being in an earthquake
and under a thousand "L" trains all at once. The vibration ran thru me with
violent ground vibrations. I heard Lt. Kassamatis yelling for me to get out
of there....[describes running, thinking] I thought it was another plane
crashing into the Plaza. I remember thinking that this was it, I was not
going to make it. I heard a loud wind and glass shattering around me. An
incredible force of wind and debris crashed thru the mezzanine and
knocked me down...
...
We were walking north on West St. and just as we got there I heard that
noise again. I remember looking up at the North Tower and saw the
corners of the building collapsing straight down."
Anthony Croce, PAPD, Part 1, p. 64-67
I have left in the second part of this account, dealing with the North Tower, because it is
essential to the interpretation of the account as a whole. When discussing the South Tower
he links the noise closely to the “violent ground vibrations,” but we do not have enough
information to estimate where in the collapse these sounds and vibrations began. When
dealing with the North Tower, however, he says he saw the “corners of the building
collapsing straight down” after the noise has already begun. This indicates that the noise
started early, well before debris strike.

(17)
"We then continued walking down the ramp and towards the parking areas,
looking for people who may be trying to exit. We felt what I can only
describe [as] a shudder in the building and then ran towards the exit. We
ran up the Barclay St. ramp and made a right onto Vesey St. I turned to
look up at the buildings as Tower #2 began collapsing." Robert Greff, PAPD, Part 1, p. 94

It is not clear what building he is referring to as shuddering. It is possible he is referring to the South Tower itself. In any case, several seconds before collapse initiation he felt a building in the vicinity of the South Tower shudder.

What have we learned from these accounts?

• The ground trembled--objects on the ground visibly shifted and shook--well before the debris from the collapsing Tower hit the ground.

• A considerable degree of shaking began not only before debris struck the ground but before the South Tower began to descend.

• The earth shaking was directly associated with an extremely loud noise. Although it is difficult to determine precise times from the witness testimony, these accounts certainly corroborate in a general way the NY1 video record.
And our third conclusion, having to do with the close association of sound and shaking, allows us to extend our enquiry to include indirect corroboration.
Indirect Corroboration: the Sounds of Collapse The Twin Towers were huge buildings, and it is not surprising that their rapid destruction generated a great deal of noise. But this observation does not take us very far. We want to know what specific sounds accompanied the collapses and whether these sounds corroborate our findings about the shaking of the earth.

Witness testimony and surviving audio records allow us to distinguish three broad and overlapping sorts of sounds accompanying the collapses (see Appendix D for these and other accounts):

(1) Discrete impulsive sounds typically described as booms, bangs, crashes and explosions.
"I had heard right before the lights went out, I had heard a distant boom
boom boom, sounded like three explosions. I don't know what it was. At
the time, I would have said they sounded like bombs, but it was boom
boom boom and then the lights all go out...” (Keith Murphy)
I have catalogued reports of explosions elsewhere. [34] I have only two comments on the subject to make in this article. First, since some people seem to think we are faced with a choice between explosions and the well known “rumble” and “roar,” it is important to make it clear that these are not competitors. All three sorts of sounds were heard.

Second, I want to mention that “booms” occurring during the South Tower’s collapse are audible on at least two video recordings, one of which is the Firefighter video and one of which is the Sauret video. In the latter, there are eight booms audible, and at least six of them precede debris strike. [35]

(2) A “rumble” that includes both sound and feeling and is characterized both by a deep, continuous noise and a felt vibration.
See the accounts in the previous section, Direct Corroboration, and in Appendix D.

(3) A “roar,” described most commonly as like the roar of a jet plane, and including both a deep sound and a higher sound--a whine or whistle.
"...all of a sudden I heard this sound. It sounded like a jet, a high, whistling
sound. There was like a rumble behind it. It was like a jet with a
locomotive behind it.” (Mark Mazur)

The rumble and roar were extremely loud (“It was the loudest noise I've ever heard in my life,” Robert Larocco). They increased in volume in the early stages of collapse (“you heard a roar, some sort of a vibration, like a vrr vrr vrr, getting louder and louder,” Kevin McCabe).

Most importantly, as the two following testimonies show, these sounds began before the descent of the South Tower. (The witnesses hear the sounds, have a series of thoughts, and then look up to see the building beginning to tilt).

(a) "But immediately once I put the oxygen down, I hear the rumble, and I
heard a rumble that we thought was another plane. That's what immediately
everyone said, there's a plane coming, there's another plane coming.
So we all looked up and what we saw was tower, I guess, 2, the south
tower, begin to do this. The top kind of did this and there was a horrendous
rumble.”
Q. “Now, your hand is showing that it's kind of tilted in one direction.
What direction did it tilt?”
A. “It was tilting towards us, so it had been to be tilting eastward....At that
point we hear the rumble and, you know, this is it. I figure I'm dead. I
thought this tower was going to topple. So I start to run." (Manuel
Delgado)
(b) "Then I just remember that, distinct noise like an airplane being on a
runway and it's ready to take off. I heard the loud roaring of like the
engines, and I thought another plane was hitting the building.
Someone yelled run. I looked up, and the top of the tower I saw was
starting to move over. It was bending like it was going to come down.
Everybody started running." (Bruce Medjuck)

The case appears to have been the same with the North Tower: the rumble preceded downward movement:
"We were probably about a block away when we heard a giant rumbling
sound. It sounded like jets were going overhead and then we looked up and
we saw the tower start to fall and we just ran." (Michael Morabito)
Appendix D lists further descriptions, in the FDNY oral histories, of sounds
accompanying the collapses of the Towers--excluding explosions, which I have dealt with elsewhere, and focusing especially on the curious comparisons to the sounds of jet planes.
It is obvious from these accounts that the sounds, and by implication the closely connected vibrations, occur well before debris strike. I therefore regard this witness testimony as indirectly corroborating the main conclusions reached through the NY1 graph and the previously discussed directly corroborating evidence.

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Page 57 Appendix D:

APPENDIX D
FDNY ORAL HISTORIES:
THE SOUND OF THE TOWERS’ COLLAPSES, WITH A SPECIAL FOCUS ON THE
COMPARISON TO JET PLANES

(1) “Next thing you know, you hear another--they had said there were jets out there that day. They were out there. I started to hear another jet, right, it sound like the flush of a jet.
What it was was actually the building coming down. I didn't actually see the building coming down but you heard it. Why I didn't see it, I don't know. We were just so busy concentrating on what we are doing. You just heard this thrushing, thrushing noise like a rocket. I thought the building was under attack again.
You just start seeing this smoke coming down. We just took off.”
South Tower Faisel Abed (9110071), p. 6-7

(2) "As we approached Chambers Street, kept walking, still no one had told us about the total collapse. We get down to about Barclay and Vesey Street, which is a block away from the overpass, the bridge overpass that goes across the West Side Highway.
All you hear is a rumbling in the street. It sounded like an earthquake. When I was a younger kid, I was in an earthquake and it felt like the same exact feeling. I looked, and I could see the antenna on the top of the roof coming straight down.
We all turned and just threw our rollups down and started running as fast as we could. I took about five steps, I turned back to look behind me, and the debris was on my heels.
Guys were just scrambling through the streets. Finally the debris overcame us, and you couldn't see anymore. It was like pitch-black, total darkness."
North Tower John Amato (9110421), p. 3-4

[.....................]

(65) "We heard a rumbling. We thought it was another plane. We looked up, and you
actually saw the towers just starting to roll down at you. You saw the building portions
coming down. I stood there and couldn't move. I just couldn't move. I couldn't believe
what I was looking at.
A couple seconds later I turned around and started to go."
72
South Tower
Howard Sickles (9110189), p. 7
(66) "I was just stepping into the street off the center median when I heard what is going
to be instilled in my memory forever; a sound that combines a railroad car, an airplane, a
fighter jet and thunder. I looked up and I saw the World Trade Center falling down."
South Tower
Mark Stone (9110076), p. 9
(67) "...to me it sounded like the 8:45 from Jamaica station going to Atlantic -- to Flatbush
Avenue, the Long Island Railroad, just some big train just right over your head, like a
whole bunch of locomotives just running right over your head.
I looked up, and the building just tilted and started coming down. All I could say was run."
South Tower
David Timothy (9110156), p. 7
(68) "I remember he pulled me out and I actually thought a plane was coming because of
the roaring sound. That's when he told me the tower collapsed."
William Truocollo (9110456), p. 3
(69) "The way the noise was going to me or to a lot of us, we thought it was another plane
coming. It was two; why not three or four. It sounded to us like it was a plane coming
through the window."
South Tower
John Weber (9110377), p. 6
(70) "we heard a -- we felt a loud -- a very strong vibration, shaking, and a loud noise like
a subway train coming through a station at speed, like a jet engine at full throttle. It was a
roaring sound...”
South Tower
Charles Wells (9110163), p. 6

of nog ORAL histories vanaf pages 57 tot page 72, is dit nu voldoende ?

Men kan het natuurlijk ook HIER lezen:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...EarthShake.pdf

En ga hier blijven citeren tot die hilarische negeer-praat hierboven stopt.

Strg-C en -V zijn heel geduldig.

en als toemaatje YT ook, kunnen ze (nog) niet verbieden:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUemun0iy_s

A team of nine scientists have unearthed startling data from dust gathered in the days and weeks after the World Trade Center towers collapsed on 9/11. They discovered that scattered throughout the dust samples were red and gray chips of active thermitic material, or an un-reacted pyrotechnic explosive.

Thermite is used in steel welding, fireworks shows, and hand grenades. It is the combination of a metal powder and a metal oxide which produce a reaction known for extremely high temperatures focused in a very small area for a short period of time. The active thermitic material discovered in the World Trade Center dust was a combination of elemental aluminum and iron oxide, and is a form of thermite known as nano-structured super-thermite.

Specialisten/experten van nano-structured super-thermite laat U nu horen !

[Micele]

hè toch Niels´ interview vergeten:

Here is a transcript of the above interview (English translation):

Interviewer: International researchers have found traces of explosives among the World Trade Center rubble. A new scientific article concludes that impacts from the two hijacked aircraft did not cause the collapses in 2001.

We turn our attention to 9/11: the major attack in New York. Apparently the two airplane impacts did not cause the towers to collapse, according to a newly published scientific article. Researchers found nano-thermite explosive in the rubble, that cannot have come from the planes. They believe several tonnes of explosives were placed in the buildings in advance.

Niels Harrit, you and eight other researchers conclude in this article, that it was nano-thermite that caused these buildings to collapse. What is nano-thermite?

Niels Harrit: We found nano-thermite in the rubble. We are not saying only nano-thermite was used. Thermite itself dates back to 1893. It is a mixture of aluminum and rust-powder, which react to create intense heat. The reaction produces iron, heated to 2500 °C. This can be used to do welding. It can also be used to melt other iron. Nanotechnology makes things smaller. So in nano-thermite, this powder from 1893 is reduced to tiny particles, perfectly mixed. When these react, the intense heat develops much more quickly. Nano-thermite can be mixed with additives to give off intense heat, or serve as a very effective explosive. It contains more energy than dynamite, and can be used as rocket fuel.

Interviewer: I Googled nano-thermite, and not much has been written about it. Is it a widely known scientific substance? Or is it so new that other scientists are hardly aware of it?

Harrit: It is a collective name for substances with high levels of energy. If civilian researchers (like myself) are not familiar with it, it is probably because they do not do much work with explosives. As for military scientists, you would have to ask them. I do not know how familiar they are with nanotechnology.

Interviewer: So you found this substance in the WTC, why do you think it caused the collapses?

Harrit: Well, it's an explosive. Why else would it be there?

Interviewer: You believe the intense heat melted the building's steel support structure, and caused the building to collapse like a house of cards?

Harrit: I cannot say precisely, as this substance can serve both purposes. It can explode and break things apart, and it can melt things. Both effects were probably used, as I see it. Molten metal pours out of the South Tower several minutes before the collapse. This indicates the whole structure was being weakened in advance. Then the regular explosives come into play. The actual collapse sequence had to be perfectly timed, all the way down.

Interviewer: What quantities are we talking about?

Harrit: A lot. There were only two planes, but three skyscrapers collapsed. We know roughly how much dust was created. The pictures show huge quantities, everything but the steel was pulverized. And we know roughly how much unreacted thermite we have found. This is the "loaded gun": material that did not ignite for some reason. We are talking about tonnes. Over 10 tonnes, possibly 100 tonnes.

Interviewer: Ten tonnes, possibly 100 tonnes, in three buildings? And these substances are not normally found in such buildings?

Harrit: No. These materials are extremely advanced.

Interviewer: How do you place such material in a skyscraper, on all the floors?

Harrit: How you would get it in?

Interviewer: Yes.

Harrit: If I had to transport it in those quantities I would use pallets: get a truck and move it in on pallets.

Interviewer: Why hasn't this been discovered earlier?

Harrit: By whom?

Interviewer: The caretakers, for example. If you are moving 10 to 100 tonnes of nano-thermite around, and placing it on all the floors. I am just surprised no one noticed.

Harrit: As a journalist, you should address that question to the company responsible for security at the WTC.

Interviewer: So you are in no doubt the material was present?

Harrit: You cannot fudge this kind of science. We have found it: unreacted thermite.

Interviewer: What responses has your article received around the world? It is completely new knowledge for me.

Harrit: It was only published last Friday. So it is too early to say. But the article may not be as groundbreaking as you think. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world, have long known that the three buildings were demolished. This has been crystal clear. Our research is just the last nail in the coffin. This is not the "smoking gun"--it is the "loaded gun." Each day, thousands of people realize that the WTC was demolished. That is something unstoppable.

Interviewer: Why has no one discovered earlier that there was nano-thermite in the buildings? Almost ten years have passed.

Harrit: You mean in the dust?

Interviewer: Yes.

Harrit: It was by chance that someone looked at the dust with a microscope. They are tiny red chips. The biggest are 1 mm in size, and can be seen with the naked eye. But you need a microscope to see the vast majority. It was by chance that someone discovered them two years ago. It has taken 18 months to prepare the scientific article you refer to. It is a very comprehensive article based on thorough research.

Interviewer: You have been working on this for several years, because it didn't make sense to you.

Harrit: Yes, over two years actually. It all started when I saw the collapse of Building 7, the third skyscraper. It collapsed seven hours after the twin towers. And there were only two airplanes. When you see a 47-storey building, 186 m tall, collapse in 6.5 seconds, and you are a scientist, you think "What?!" I had to watch it again and again. I hit the button 10 times, and my jaw dropped lower and lower. Firstly, I had never heard of that building before. And there was no visible reason why it should collapse in that way, straight down, in 6.5 seconds. I have had no rest since that day.

Interviewer: Ever since 9/11 there has been speculation, and conspiracy theories. What do you say to viewers who hear about your research and say, "We've heard it all before, there are lots of conspiracy theories." What would you say to convince them that this is different?

Harrit: I think there is only one conspiracy theory worth mentioning, the one involving 19 hijackers. I think viewers should ask themselves what evidence they have seen to support the official conspiracy theory. If anyone has seen evidence, I would like to hear about it. No one has been formally charged. No one is "wanted." Our work should lead to demands for a proper criminal investigation of the 9/11 terrorist attack. Because it never happened. We are still waiting for it. We hope our results will be used as technical evidence when that day comes.

Interviewer: Niels Harrit, fascinating. Thanks for coming in.

Harrit: My pleasure.

Production

A method for producing nanoscale, or ultra fine grain (UFG) aluminium powders, a key component of most nano-thermitic materials, is the dynamic gas-phase condensation method, pioneered by Wayne Danen and Steve Son at Los Alamos National Laboratory. A variant of the method is being used at the Indian Head Division of the Naval Surface Warfare Center. Another production method for nanoaluminium powder is the pulsed plasma process developed by NovaCentrix (formerly Nanotechnologies).[9] The powders made by both processes are indistinguishable.[10] A critical aspect of the production is the ability to produce particles of sizes in the tens of nanometer range, as well as with a limited distribution of particle sizes. In 2002, the production of nano-sized aluminium particles required considerable effort, and commercial sources for the material were limited.[3] Current production levels are now beyond 100 kg/month.

An application of the sol-gel method, developed by Randall Simpson, Alexander Gash and others at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, can be used to make the actual mixtures of nanostructured composite energetic materials. Depending on the process, MICs of different density can be produced. Highly porous and uniform products can be achieved by supercritical extraction.[3]

Ignition
Nanoscale composites are easier to ignite than traditional thermites. A nichrome bridgewire can be used in some cases. Other means of ignition can include flame or laser pulse. Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) is developing super-thermite electric matches that use comparatively low ignition currents and resist friction, impact, heat and static discharge.[1]

MICs have been investigated as a possible replacement for lead (e.g. lead styphnate, lead azide) in percussion caps and electric matches. Compositions based on Al-Bi2O3 tend to be used. PETN may be optionally added.[11][12] MICs can be also added to high explosives to modify their properties. [13] Aluminium is typically added to explosives to increase their energy yield. Addition of small amount of MIC to aluminium powder increases overall combustion rate, acting as a burn rate modifier.[14]

The products of a thermite reaction, resulting from ignition of the thermitic mixture, are usually metal oxides and elemental metals. At the temperatures prevailing during the reaction, the products can be solid, liquid or gaseous, depending on the components of the mixture.[15] Super-thermite electric matches developed by LANL can create simple sparks, hot slag, droplet, or flames as thermal-initiating outputs to ignite other incendiaries or explosives.[1]

http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/14105/

Military Reloads with Nanotech

Smaller. Cheaper. Nastier. Those are the guiding principles behind the military's latest bombs. The secret ingredient: nanotechnology that makes for a bigger boom.

January 21, 2005
By John Gartner
Audio »

Nanotechnology is grabbing headlines for its potential in advancing the life sciences and computing research, but the Department of Defense (DoD) found another use: a new class of weaponry that uses energy-packed nanometals to create powerful, compact bombs.

With funding from the U.S. government, Sandia National Laboratories, the Los Alamos National Laboratory, and the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory are researching how to manipulate the flow of energy within and between molecules, a field known as nanoenergentics, which enables building more lethal weapons such as "cave-buster bombs" that have several times the detonation force of conventional bombs such as the "daisy cutter" or MOAB (mother of all bombs).

Researchers can greatly increase the power of weapons by adding materials known as superthermites that combine nanometals such as nanoaluminum with metal oxides such as iron oxide, according to Steven Son, a project leader in the Explosives Science and Technology group at Los Alamos.

"The advantage (of using nanometals) is in how fast you can get their energy out," Son says.

Son says that the chemical reactions of superthermites are faster and therefore release greater amounts of energy more rapidly.

"Superthermites can increase the (chemical) reaction time by a thousand times," Son says, resulting in a very rapid reactive wave.

[...]

"Nanoaluminum provides ultra high burn rates for propellants that are ten times higher than existing propellants," says Carpenter.

The military is also trying to make sure that its bullets kill quickly.

The U.S. Army Environmental Center began a program in 1997 to develop alternatives to the toxic lead that is used in the hundreds of millions of rounds that are annually fired during conflicts and at its training ranges. Carpenter says that although bullets using nanoaluminum are ready to be field tested, the government has been slow implement the technology.

En en ik heb heel veel in reserve:

How Could the Demolition Equipment Have Been Installed in the Twin Towers Without Tenants Noticing?

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/t...on_feasibility

http://dsearch.dtic.mil/search?site=...x=10&btnG.y=16

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What about explosions or sounds like explosions before the towers collapsed, as the fires progressed? Such would not be surprising, and perhaps would be expected. During the huge fire in Madrid's Windsor building (during which the structural steel that was on the fire floors failed, leaving the building's concrete core exposed), "Explosions could be heard within the building and authorities cordoned off a zone some 500 metres in diameter in case it should collapse." Source

Needless to say, that building was not hit by an airliner, nor were explosive devices suspected to be at work. In the towers there were partial floor collapses, falling elevators, likely debris falling down elevator shafts, fuel vapors igniting, bursting pipes, and perhaps steel failing, electrical systems shorting, and pressurized containers from the buildings and aircraft exploding. None of these things would be surprising during such events. As veteran firefighters said,
"We were looking at two large bodies of fires that neither of us in our 33-year careers had ever seen anything that enormous." –FDNY Chief of Safety Albert Turi –Source

"It was the most unbelievable sight I ever saw, up until that point. I had been in some very busy units during my time in the fire department. I broke in, in Engine 46 and Ladder 27 in the South Bronx when the South Bronx was burning down. I was in Rescue 3, which was extremely busy; they covered the Bronx and Harlem. And then as a lieutenant, I was in the Lower East Side when that was burning down. As a captain, I was in Chinatown. I saw some unbelievable fires in Chinatown. What I saw pales in comparison (sic) to anything else I had seen previously." –FDNY Captain Jay Jonas –Source
Following are 16 WTC first responder descriptions of explosive noises well before the towers collapsed:

"Sounded like bombs" –Keith Murphy
"A huge explosion" –Gerard Gorman
"Sound of popping and exploding" –Alwish Monchery
"Explosions" –William Burns
"Kept hearing these large boom, boom" –Rosario Terranova
"Sounded like explosions." –Anthony Fitzgerald
"Like a shotgun going off" –Mark Meier
"Sounded like explosions" –Wilfred Barriere
"Sounded like bombs, like blockbusters" –John Murray
"You could hear explosions" –Richard Smiouskas
"Sounded like an M-80, that's how loud they were" –Tim Pearson
"Sounds like a shotgun" –Eric Ronningen
"Sounded like an explosion" –John Morabito
"There were lots of explosions" –Jeff Birnbaum
"Under the assumption that the sounds were secondary bombs." –Andrew Rodriguez
"Sounded like bombs. Like a bomb going off. I mean, it was huge." –FDNY Deputy Chief Peter Hayden

It would be dishonest of me to represent these accounts as anything but what they are: descriptions of bodies from the towers hitting the ground. But members of the 9/11 "truth" movement have no such compunction about misrepresenting dozens of other eyewitness accounts.

David Ray Griffin, in his book Debunking 9/11 Debunking, and Dylan Avery, in his Loose Change videos, use the account of Teresa Veliz, whom they say was in the north tower, to support their claims that explosives were planted in the towers. From Loose Change:




Veliz wasn't in the north tower then. She was on the street and was describing events after the collapse of the south tower, as reported in Dean Murphy’s book September 11th: An Oral History. Note what Griffin and Avery dishonestly omit in order to give a false impression:

Veliz went down a staircase with a coworker to the concourse level. In the mall, they got onto an up-escalator as the South Tower collapsed, causing a rush of wind which knocked them down. In the pitch black, Veliz and her coworker followed someone carrying a flashlight:

"The flashlight led us into Borders bookstore, up an escalator and out to Church Street. There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. I was afraid to go down Church Street toward Broadway, but I had to do it. I ended up on Vesey Street. There was another explosion. And another. I didn't know where to run."
What would have been exploding on the street after the south tower collapse? Many things:
Mike Athemas, a 46-year-old volunteer fireman, headed downtown once the bomb went off and didn't leave until midafternoon. "Everywhere you turned, there was someone taking bodies out of the rubble," he said. Making matters worse, documents that had been blown from the building were catching fire and igniting vehicles outside the World Trade Center. "There were 20 cars and trucks -- police cars and emergency vehicles -- on fire," said Mr. Athemas. Source
The report above, which was written for the Associated Press on 9/11/01, says "once the bomb went off," but that is either a reporter's misunderstanding in the heat of the moment, or a figure of speech. The AP does not claim that any bombs were used.

"Then you could see little fires, like paper fires. ...I remember just walking up that block. That first block, all the cars were on fire. They weren't totally engulfed in flames, but there was fire on them and their tires were exploding. Walking up that block, everything was quiet except for the explosions of tires and stuff like that." –Firefighter James Murphy, FDNY oral testimony transcripts

"On the southwest corner of Vesey and West, there was a parking lot that was just roaring. Every car was transmitting to the next car." –Firefighter Kevin Monahan, FDNY oral testimony transcripts

"The Scott cylinders [firefighters' air packs] and the oxygen cylinders were all letting go. They were blowing up left and right." –Firefighter Todd Heaney, FDNY oral testimony transcripts

"We continued our efforts until the combination of dust, smoke, and secondary explosions along with reports of gas main leaks, bombs, small arms fire and buildings about to collapse forced us to again relocate further north on West Street." –PAPD Lt. Daniel Carbonaro, PAPD 9/11 after-action reports

The New York firefighter's account on Thursday sounded like his worst nightmare.
"It was like snow flakes coming down, with no one around," 53-year-old Ernie Armstead said.
"The ambulance blew up, then the fire truck blew up, six police cars blew up, one after the other.
"I was in shock. I was in smoke and the debris." Source




Conspiracists sometimes try to pass off a video snippet of a firefighter saying "there's a bomb in that building" as referring to the towers. It doesn't. The firefighter was standing outside Stuyvesant High School, which had been used as a staging area and was the site of one of the many false alarm bomb scares that day. Many firefighters mentioned this in their oral testimonies. First responders were trained to be on the lookout for secondary devices after a terrorist attack. Stuyvesant was also the site of a reported gas main leak: another false alarm. See videos of the Stuyvesant bomb scare here and here.

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Natuurlijk hoorden mensen explosies voor de collapses.
Brandweer mensen krijgen explosie training omdat explosies bij branden nu eenmaal vaak voorkomen, en zeker bij branden zoals die op 9/11.

Van alle getuigen /brandweerlieden die u hebt gequote is er geen één die zegt of denkt dat het een controlled demolition was !!!
Sterk staaltje selectief quoten .

Voor de zichtbare instorting vond er binnen ook al vanalles plaats zoals het instorten van vloeren, buigen van kolommen . Dergelijke zaken maken geluid .

[Micele]

Misinformation

Maintaining the Official Story in the Face of Glaring Contradictions
Ensuring the success of the official story of 9/11/01 despite the long sequence of highly improbable events it supposes required that people not pay too much attention to the details. This would be ensured by the "shock and awe" of the attack itself combined with an intense propaganda campaign to sell the official story. Ironically, the vast majority of those who created and promoted that propaganda probably did so innocently, never questioning the official version of events. The idea that the entire attack was an inside job was simply too unthinkable for most Americans to consider.

The use of disinformation and diversion to manipulate public opinion is a highly developed art. It is well understood not only by psychological operations experts in the national security establishment, but also by marketing and public relations wizards. With the engineering of public reaction to September 11, disinformation has been used with a sophistication and depth that is historically unprecedented. A key tool in this modern form of psychological warfare is the "meme" -- an idea that acts like an infectious agent to spread itself through a population. Through careful construction of memes, the perpetrators could depend on others to unwittingly promote their cover story and conceal the truth. Their disinformation strategy was twofold. First, they would sell the official story to the masses through the compliant mass media, relying on people's desire to believe the official story. Second, they would seed specious ideas in the community of "9/11 skeptics" in order to distract and discredit them.

The Official Story of September 11, and Its Apologists
On the day of the attack, details about the alleged perpetrators emerged with a rapidity that is remarkable given the assertions by high-ranking administration officials that no one had ever considered that an attacker could fly planes into buildings. Within hours the identities of several of the alleged hijackers were known, and Osama bin Laden was being presented as the prime suspect. Within three days the FBI published the identities of all the alleged hijackers. It was being presented as an open-and-shut case.

Academics helped to explain the collapses of the Twin Towers in articles in respected publications. Just two days after the attack, a scientific paper purported to fully explain the unprecedented engineering failures using "elastic dynamic analysis." "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? - Simple Analysis" was published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE on 9/13/01. Peer review of this paper and of other theories volunteering to explain the collapses was conspicuously absent.

The mass media were consistent in avoiding asking the most obvious questions. Why did the air defense network fail to respond? Why did Flight 77 target the recently-fortified, mostly empty portion of the Pentagon? Why was the Ground Zero steel removed and destroyed as fast as possible? The media shirked their public service obligation of acting as watchdogs of the government, and instead became cheerleaders for the administration's war plans for central Asia.

The vast body of print reportage about September 11 attack is notable for an abundance of contradictions. The timelines in the Complete 9-11 Timeline series reveal numerous inconsistencies, such as between reported times of events. These discrepancies, combined with the lack of evidence, discourage investigation of facts of the attack. Meanwhile, the impending attack on Afghanistan, the alleged Islam-terror link, and "homeland security" got the attention.

This section examines just a few of the elements of the official story of September 11 with a skeptical view and attention to contradictions.

Red Flags: People are able to accept theories blessed by government and mainstream media, despite inconsistencies and long series of improbable coincidences.
Cover Stories: The top four in command of our defense go about routine appointments for an hour as the attack unfolds.
Experts on Parade: Experts "explain" the collapses of the World Trade Center buildings.

Disinformation Targeting the Skeptics

Disinformation aimed at skeptics of the official story is more subtle than the simple promotion of that story to the masses. It may consist of ideas with no basis in evidence packaged as shocking new findings that supposedly prove the involvement of insiders. Its effect is to discredit the larger body of 9/11 research through guilt by association with its sensational and unscientific approach. An example is the idea that Twin Towers were not hit by Flights 11 or 175 but rather by completely different objects, such as military planes with missile-firing pods.

Since 9-11 Research does not provide analysis of such disinformation, we recommend the disinformation section of 911review.com.

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[Specialisten/experten van nano-structured super-thermite laat U nu horen !

Mr Harit is er in ieder geval geen !!

Heeft u zijn beweringen ook nagetrokken ? zoals de bewering over dynamiet?

So in nano-thermite, this powder from 1893 is reduced to tiny particles, perfectly mixed. When these react, the intense heat develops much more quickly. Nano-thermite can be mixed with additives to give off intense heat, or serve as a very effective explosive. It contains more energy than dynamite, and can be used as rocket fuel.

Deze man vertelt totale crap , omdat thermiet per DEFINITIE geen 'explosive' is . Waarom niet ? Omdat het een mengsel van verschillende stoffen is welke te ongevoelig is om te detoneren.
Ook is het een enorm slechte raketbrandstof , er komen geen gassen vrij bij de reactie namelijk.

Nergens word thermiet als explosief toegepast, ook nano-thermiet niet . De kleinere deeltjes (nano) zorgen alleen voor een snellere verbrandingsreatie, niet voor meer energie.
Voor een ware explosie moet het spul worden ingepakt net zoals dat voor buskruit opgaat.

Als u mij niet gelooft zoek dan een andere pyrotechnicus of deskundige in energetische materialen en deze zal mijn verhaal bevestigen.

Hoe het zo ver kan komen weet ik niet , maar Harrit verkondigd totale onzin , ongelofelijk!

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[Specialisten/experten van nano-structured super-thermite laat U nu horen !

Mr Harit is er in ieder geval geen !!

Heeft u zijn beweringen ook nagetrokken ? zoals de bewering over dynamiet?

So in nano-thermite, this powder from 1893 is reduced to tiny particles, perfectly mixed. When these react, the intense heat develops much more quickly. Nano-thermite can be mixed with additives to give off intense heat, or serve as a very effective explosive. It contains more energy than dynamite, and can be used as rocket fuel.

Deze man vertelt totale crap , omdat thermiet per DEFINITIE geen 'explosive' is . Waarom niet ? Omdat het een mengsel van verschillende stoffen is welke te ongevoelig is om te detoneren.
Ook is het een enorm slechte raketbrandstof , er komen geen gassen vrij bij de reactie namelijk.

Nergens word thermiet als explosief toegepast, ook nano-thermiet niet . De kleinere deeltjes (nano) zorgen alleen voor een snellere verbrandingsreatie, niet voor meer totale energie.
Voor een ware explosie moet het spul worden ingepakt net zoals dat voor buskruit opgaat.

Als u mij niet gelooft zoek dan een andere pyrotechnicus of deskundige in energetische materialen en deze zal mijn verhaal bevestigen.

Hoe het zo ver kan komen weet ik niet , maar Harrit verkondigd totale onzin , ongelofelijk!

[Pastafarian]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Micele

En en ik heb heel veel in reserve:




http://dsearch.dtic.mil/search?site=...x=10&btnG.y=16

En wat voor componenten mogen dat dan wel niet zijn? Het zou iets moeten zijn dat rechtstreeks op het staal aangebracht wordt en regelmatig vervangen wordt om aan de uitleg die daar staat te voldoen. Weer een prachtig voorbeeldje van hoe de samenzweringsmalloten zich in allerlei bochten wringen om hun onzin toch maar verkocht te krijgen. Het hele thermiet-fabeltje is al tot in het oneindige onderuit gehaald (inclusief de zogenaamde resten in het puin), maar daar hebben ze truthers geen oren naar.

[Micele]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pastafarian

Weer een prachtig voorbeeldje van hoe de samenzweringsmalloten zich in allerlei bochten wringen om hun onzin toch maar verkocht te krijgen. Het hele thermiet-fabeltje is al tot in het oneindige onderuit gehaald (inclusief de zogenaamde resten in het puin), maar daar hebben ze truthers geen oren naar.

Kruip terug in uw mand.

[Diego Raga]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLJR0fWpnH0

't Word pas écht leuk rond de 2-de minuut.

Wsl was dat een gesmolten koffiezetje of zo, dat eruit stroomt als gesmolten staal...

[Pastafarian]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Micele

Kruip terug in uw mand.

Is dat het zinnigste dat je te zeggen hebt? Wat betreft het thermiet-fabeltje:

- Thermiet is nog nooit voor een controlled demolition gebruikt, er is geen enkele zinnige reden waarom dat gebruikt zou worden in plaats van de gebruikelijke springstoffen.
- Thermiet maakt geen rechte sneden in staal, zoals op de foto's die de truthers zo graag tonen.
- De zogenaamde thermietresten in het puin zijn stoffen die je in ieder gebouw vindt, beweren dat die alleen van thermiet konden komen is onzin.

Kortom, dood en begraven, die bullshit!

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Svennies

U bent dus bij deze gerapporteert...

effe deze taalfout rapporteren

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Micele

NIST = prullemand.

en nog steeds is er geen rechtzaak hierover begonnen...