Oorlog Israël - Iran?

[julian]

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Je zit er gewoon naast omdat je weigert verder de kijken dan wapenverkoop.

Voor de genen die wel verder willen kijken deze link:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/iraq/ira...ss-regime.html

via hier zijn ook de declassified documents te vinden.

Gij probeert gewoon de echte bondgenoten van Saddam te verzwijgen.

[julian]

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zoals hierboven al uitvoerig met alle nodige linken en bewijzen aangetoond leverden de VS, samen met hun bondgenoten en sattelietstaten, de meeste steun aan Saddam tijdens zijn oorlog tegen het Iran van de ayatollahs.

Het embargo werd gehandhaafd door de VS en GB, zelfs toen koeweit al jaren bevrijd was, omdat Irak volgens deze landen zogezegd werkte aan massavernietigingswapens, terwijl Rusland en China ijverden voor de opheffing van het embargo. En als je dat durft te ontkennen ben ik slechts enkele muizenklikken verwijderd van je ontmaskering als leugenaar.

Gij loopt gewoon blindelings achter de USSR en daarom probeert ge ook de rol ervan als belangrijkste wapenleverancier van Saddam te ontkennen.
Blijf dus maar heel bescheiden.

[Dixie]

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zoals hierboven al uitvoerig met alle nodige linken en bewijzen aangetoond leverden de VS, samen met hun bondgenoten en sattelietstaten, de meeste steun aan Saddam tijdens zijn oorlog tegen het Iran van de ayatollahs.

welke link(s)

ik zal de mijne nog eens geven zodat de leugens verdwijnen

Iraq's army was primarily equipped with weaponry it had purchased from the Soviet Union and its satellites in the preceding decade. During the war, it purchased billions of dollars worth of advanced equipment from France, the People's Republic of China, Egypt, Germany, and other sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ran–Iraq_War

During the Iran–Iraq War from 1980 to 1988, the Soviet Union (USSR) sold or gave more military equipment and supplies to Iraq than did any other country,[1] as well as providing military advisers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_...%80%93Iraq_war

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door k9

Dat je weeral maar eens veranderd wat je gezegd had .

wacht nog steeds op de link waar ik exclusief heb gezegd

[atmosphere]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door julian

Gij probeert gewoon de echte bondgenoten van Saddam te verzwijgen.

Vooral niet kijken naar die info !

De VS waren zeer zeker echte bondgenoot

[atmosphere]

Saddams persoonlijke elite troepen werden zelfs in de VS getraind!

Military training


Fort Bragg, home of Special Operations Forces.
Iraqi military personnel received various types of guidance from their American counterparts on U.S. soil. According to Roque Gonzalez, an ex-Special Forces officer with multilingual expertise,Saddam's elite troops received instruction in unconventional warfare at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. "The idea was that, in the event of an Iranian victory, the Iraqi soldiers would be able to wage a guerrilla struggle against the occupying Iranian force", writes Barry Lando, former investigative producer with 60 Minutes.[7] Author Joseph J. Trento adds, "We were training thorough the Green Berets, we were [giving] counter insurgency training, because we were afraid that if Iran overwhelmed Saddam's army, that the units might have to go underground and operate underground, and so they received training in being able to operate as guerillas."[25]
Iraqi helicopter pilots, traveling on Jordanian passports, are reported to have received training in the United States.[7]
[edit]Foreign Materiel Acquisition and Bear Spares
With the UN-imposed embargo on warring parties, and with the Soviet Union opposing the conflict, Iraqi engineers found it increasingly difficult to repair and replace hardware damaged in battle.[26][27] According to Kenneth Timmerman, "Saddam did foresee one immediate consequence of his invasion of Iran: the suspension of arms supplies from the USSR."[4]
When he launched his attack, the Soviets were busy playing games in Iran. They were not amused that the Iraqis upset their plans. For generations the KGB had been working to penetrate Iran's Shiite clergy. In February 1979, when Ayatollah Khomeini took power and threw the Americans out of Iran, the Soviets stood to gain more than they had ever believed possible. ... KGB boss Yuri Andropov [had] little difficulty in convincing Brezhnev and Kosygin to agree to an embargo on arms to Iraq... p. 83-84
The United States assisted Iraq through a military aid program known as "Bear Spares", whereby the U.S. military "made sure that spare parts and ammunition for Soviet or Soviet-style weaponry were available to countries which sought to reduce their dependence on the Soviets for defense needs."[17] According to Howard Teicher's court sworn declaration:

[Dixie]

http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade...ort_values.php

France

4270


USA

201


USSR

16925
TIV of arms exports to Iraq, 1980-1988

[zonbron]

Hoe behandelen Moslims de Joden in Iran ?

How Muslims treat Jews in Iran

[k9]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dixie

wacht nog steeds op de link waar ik exclusief heb gezegd

Je eigen woorden ontkennen

""zeg dat aan de 30+ landen die Irak steunden die hadden blijkbaar liever irak dan iran""

Het is ook grappig dat dit pas komt nadat je een paar keer loog over bronnen en betrapt was, zinnen uit context haalde en niet 1 van je beweringen kan ondersteunen met een bron.

Ik wacht nog steeds op de 25 25+ 27 27+ 31 31+ namen.

[zonbron]

Filmpje over een nucleaire aanval : Propaganda to scare Israelis of Iran nuclear strikes


THE LAST DAY-היום האחרון

of

THE LAST DAY-היום האחרון

[zonbron]

Warmongers...

LRC - Warmongers: Chuck Robb, Mortimer Zuckerman, John Hannah, Dick Cheney, Eric Edelman

In voorgaande tekst werd ook verwezen naar het Bipartisan Policy Center...

Group urges credible U.S. military threat to Iran
(Reuters) - The United States should deploy ships, step up covert activities and sharpen its rhetoric to make more credible the threat of a U.S. military strike to stop Iran's nuclear program, a bipartisan group said on Wednesday.

Former U.S. politicians, generals and officials said in a report that the best chance of stopping Iran's suspected pursuit of nuclear weapons was to make clear American willingness to use force, although it stopped short of advocating military action.

The report by a Bipartisan Policy Center (BPC) task force of Democrats, Republicans and independents is to be formally issued on Wednesday and comes amid speculation about the possibility of an Israeli military strike against Iran.
...

Is Rusland nu ook een terreurstaat ?

Israel Accuses Russia Of Supporting Iran Terror Organizations, Says Iran Has Enough Material For 4 Nuclear Bombs

Just because 3 US aircraft carriers in the Arabian Gulf are not enough, Israel's Lt General Benny Gantz hit the airwaves earlier today, with some additional pot stirring, and some fresh allegations which will hardly appeal to Russia, who is already using Syria as a military ship docking station (and allegedly supplying arms to the local regime). And while his statement that Iran has "enough material to create 4 nuclear bombs" may be debated, what is more concerning is his allegation that "[Iran terror organizations are] supported by Syria, Iran and even Russia."

...

From the Israel Defense Forces blog:

Yesterday, the IDF chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz spoke at the annual Herzliya Conference and addressed Israel’s security situation. The following are the main excerpts from his speech:

“Iran is working towards military nuclear capabilities and can be fully armed within a year… Iran is a global, regional and Israeli threat and problem.”



“[Terror organizations are] supported by Syria, Iran and even Russia who continues sending ammunition to Syria. The Middle East is currently arming more than any other region in the world, and we are the target of all this ammunition.”



“Every region in Israel is currently under threat… our enemies are trying to create a military system that skips Israel’s defense capabilities and directly targets the strategic depth of the State of Israel.”



“The world must continue isolating Iran… the pressure and financial sanctions should be continued as they are beginning to sprout results, even within Iran… We continue building powerful, impressive, trustworthy, prepared, and well-trained military capabilities, and we must be ready to employ them, if the need arises.”



“The IDF greatly strengthened during the last few years and previous gaps have been matched. It is crucial that we maintain this trend for future obstacles aren’t any less challenging. We need as much accurate, continuous power as possible that will bring us to an undisputed, fast victory over our enemies.”
...

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door k9

""zeg dat aan de 30+ landen die Irak steunden die hadden blijkbaar liever irak dan iran""

helemaal niet lees het vette stukje maar
ik heb de namen gegeven en de bijhorende links echt meer kan ik niet doen

[k9]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dixie

helemaal niet lees het vette stukje maar
ik heb de namen gegeven en de bijhorende links echt meer kan ik niet doen

Ja ze steunen wel iraq maar niet iran en dat is niet exclusief .

De links die je geeft bevatten geen van de meeste namen die je geeft en zelf je 31 moet je selectief quoten om er te geraken.


Tuurlijk kan je niet meer doen want je zuigt het uit je duim.


Had je nu gewoon gezegd "meer steunden iraq dan iran" maar nee madam moet overdrijven en kan het niet toegeven dat ze verkeerd was.

[Dixie]

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Ja ze steunen wel iraq maar niet iran en dat is niet exclusief .

ik heb nergens het woord exclusief gebruikt laat je leugens maar achterwege

[julian]

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Vooral niet kijken naar die info !

De VS waren zeer zeker echte bondgenoot

Waren ze niet en konden ze nooit zijn. Daarvoor zou Saddam zijn houding tegenover Israël volledig moeten veranderd hebben. De VS heeft niet gewild dat Iran zou winnen. Verder ging dat niet.

[julian]

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Saddams persoonlijke elite troepen werden zelfs in de VS getraind!

Military training


Fort Bragg, home of Special Operations Forces.
Iraqi military personnel received various types of guidance from their American counterparts on U.S. soil. According to Roque Gonzalez, an ex-Special Forces officer with multilingual expertise,Saddam's elite troops received instruction in unconventional warfare at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. "The idea was that, in the event of an Iranian victory, the Iraqi soldiers would be able to wage a guerrilla struggle against the occupying Iranian force", writes Barry Lando, former investigative producer with 60 Minutes.[7] Author Joseph J. Trento adds, "We were training thorough the Green Berets, we were [giving] counter insurgency training, because we were afraid that if Iran overwhelmed Saddam's army, that the units might have to go underground and operate underground, and so they received training in being able to operate as guerillas."[25]
Iraqi helicopter pilots, traveling on Jordanian passports, are reported to have received training in the United States.[7]
[edit]Foreign Materiel Acquisition and Bear Spares
With the UN-imposed embargo on warring parties, and with the Soviet Union opposing the conflict, Iraqi engineers found it increasingly difficult to repair and replace hardware damaged in battle.[26][27] According to Kenneth Timmerman, "Saddam did foresee one immediate consequence of his invasion of Iran: the suspension of arms supplies from the USSR."[4]
When he launched his attack, the Soviets were busy playing games in Iran. They were not amused that the Iraqis upset their plans. For generations the KGB had been working to penetrate Iran's Shiite clergy. In February 1979, when Ayatollah Khomeini took power and threw the Americans out of Iran, the Soviets stood to gain more than they had ever believed possible. ... KGB boss Yuri Andropov [had] little difficulty in convincing Brezhnev and Kosygin to agree to an embargo on arms to Iraq... p. 83-84
The United States assisted Iraq through a military aid program known as "Bear Spares", whereby the U.S. military "made sure that spare parts and ammunition for Soviet or Soviet-style weaponry were available to countries which sought to reduce their dependence on the Soviets for defense needs."[17] According to Howard Teicher's court sworn declaration:

Slecht geprobeerd want ge veegt weer onder het tapijt dat de USSR na een mislukte vrijage met de ayatollahs opnieuw voluit de kant van Irak koos en het de nodige hoeveelheid wapens leverde om het conflict in haar voordeel te doen keren.
Gij zijt gewoon zielig.

[tomm]

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welke link(s)

ik zal de mijne nog eens geven zodat de leugens verdwijnen

Iraq's army was primarily equipped with weaponry it had purchased from the Soviet Union and its satellites in the preceding decade. During the war, it purchased billions of dollars worth of advanced equipment from France, the People's Republic of China, Egypt, Germany, and other sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ran–Iraq_War

During the Iran–Iraq War from 1980 to 1988, the Soviet Union (USSR) sold or gave more military equipment and supplies to Iraq than did any other country,[1] as well as providing military advisers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_...%80%93Iraq_war

[b]Iraq's army was primarily equipped with weaponry it had purchased from the Soviet Union and its satellites in the preceding decade. During the war, it purchased billions of dollars worth of advanced equipment from France, the People's Republic of China, Egypt, Germany, and other sources.[5]

The United States sold Iraq over $200 million in helicopters, which were used by the Iraqi military in the war. These were the only direct U.S.-Iraqi military sales. At the same time, the CIA began covertly directing non-U.S. origin hardware to Saddam Hussein's armed forces, "to ensure that Iraq had sufficient military weapons, ammunition and vehicles to avoid losing the Iran-Iraq war."[6
According to an uncensored copy of Iraq's 11,000-page declaration to the U.N., leaked to Die Tageszeitung and reported by The Independent, the know-how and material for developing unconventional weapons were obtained from 150 foreign companies, from countries such as West Germany, the U.S., France, UK, and the People's Republic of China.[7]


The Iraqgate scandal revealed that an Atlanta branch of Italy's largest bank, Banca Nazionale del Lavoro, relying largely on U.S. taxpayer-guaranteed loans, funneled $5 billion to Iraq from 1985 to 1989.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ran–Iraq_War

De VS en hun bondgenoten samen leverden veel meer wapens dan de Sovjet-Unie. Bovendien kreeg Irak vele miljarden om wapens te kopen of zelf te produceren van de VS en Arabische bondgenoten.

[Micele]

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De VS en hun bondgenoten samen leverden veel meer wapens dan de Sovjet-Unie. Bovendien kreeg Irak vele miljarden om wapens te kopen of zelf te produceren van de VS # en Arabische bondgenoten.

Idd ³

Let op nu gaan de selectieve "US-Eur-Arab-lovers-lezers-citeerders" nog beweren dat de Sovjet Unie veel rijker was* als al die landen tesamen en dat ze zich dat konden permitteren en dat bij het begin van de Perestrojka.
Naja het zoveel mogelijk verkopen van USSR wapens bracht extra geld op en was ook een van de doelen van de Perestrojka, naast verdere ontwapening van de USSR.

Was het *Warschaupakt dan toch kapitalistischer als het Westen + SA ?

#

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqgate#Parties_involved

Parties involved

Sarkis Soghanalian
Alan Friedman writes that Sarkis Soghanalian, one of the most notorious arms dealers during the Cold War, procured Eastern Bloc and French origin weaponry, and brokered vast deals with Iraq, with the tacit approval of the Central Intelligence Agency.[3]

The most prominent [arms merchant] was Sarkis Soghanalian, a Miami-based former CIA contractor who brokered tens of billions of dollars' worth of military hardware for Iraq during the 1980s, reporting many of his transactions to officials in Washington. [Soghanalian] was close to the Iraqi leadership and to intelligence officers and others in the Reagan administration. In many respects he was the living embodiment of plausible deniability, serving as a key conduit for CIA and other U.S. government operations. p. 36

In an interview with William Kistner, Soghanalian stated that he was "working closely with the U.S. government".[34] According to Timmerman, Soghanalian also helped the Iraqis obtain TOW anti-tank missiles, for which he was later prosecuted by the United States Department of Justice.[4]

Banca Nazionale del Lavoro

The "Iraqgate" scandal revealed that an Atlanta branch of Italy's largest bank, Banca Nazionale del Lavoro, relying heavily on U.S. government-guaranteed loans, funneled over US$ 5 billion to Iraq from 1985 to 1989.
In August 1989, when FBI agents finally raided the Atlanta branch of BNL, the branch manager, Christopher Drogoul, was charged with making unauthorized, clandestine, and illegal loans to Iraq – an unspecified amount of which, according to his indictment, was used to purchase arms and weapons technology. The CIA had previously concealed this information from the Congress, according to senior analyst Melvin A. Goodman.[35]

Beginning in September, 1989, the Financial Times laid out the first charges that BNL was funding Iraqi chemical and nuclear weapons work. For the next two and a half years, the FT provided the only continuous newspaper reportage on the subject. Among the companies shipping militarily useful technology to Iraq under the eye of the U.S. government, according to the Financial Times, were Hewlett-Packard, Tektronix, and Matrix Churchill, through its Ohio branch.[36]

Even before the Persian Gulf War started in 1990, the Intelligencer Journal of Pennsylvania in a string of articles reported: "If U.S. and Iraqi troops engage in combat in the Persian Gulf, weapons technology developed in Lancaster and indirectly sold to Iraq will probably be used against U.S. forces ... And aiding in this ... technology transfer was the Iraqi-owned, British-based precision tooling firm Matrix Churchill, whose U.S. operations in Ohio were recently linked to a sophisticated Iraqi weapons procurement network."[36]

"One entire facility, a tungsten-carbide manufacturing plant that was part of the Al Atheer complex," Kenneth Timmerman informed the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, "was blown up by the IAEA in April 1992 because it lay at the heart of the Iraqi clandestine nuclear weapons program, PC-3. Equipment for this plant appears to have been supplied by the Latrobe, Pennsylvania manufacturer, Kennametal, and by a large number of other American companies, with financing provided by the Atlanta branch of the BNL bank."[37]

Aside from the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and ABC's Ted Koppel, the Iraq-gate story never picked up much momentum, even though the U.S. Congress became involved with the scandal. See an article by journalist William Safire, introduced into the Congressional Record by Rep. Tom Lantos.[38]

By contrast, Alcolac International, a Maryland company, transported thiodiglycol, a mustard gas precursor, to Iraq. Alcolac was successfully prosecuted for its violations of export control law.

Index of American companies

According to German daily newspaper Die Tageszeitung, which is reported to have reviewed an uncensored copy of Iraq's 11,000-page declaration to the U.N. Security Council in 2002, almost 150 foreign companies supported Saddam Hussein's WMD program. Twenty-four U.S. firms were involved in exporting materials to Baghdad.[39] An even longer list of American companies and their involvements in Iraq was provided by the LA Weekly in May 2003.[40]

United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, as a counterbalance to post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.[3][4]

Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in open session of the Senate and House of Representatives. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline, "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into" the power it became",[5]
and "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted—and frequently encouraged—the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq."[6]

Oh dat moet pikken.

[k9]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dixie

ik heb nergens het woord exclusief gebruikt laat je leugens maar achterwege

Ah dus wel iraq en niet iran betekend niet meer exclusief?

Het word zieliger en zieliger.

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door tomm

De VS en hun bondgenoten samen leverden veel meer wapens dan de Sovjet-Unie. Bovendien kreeg Irak vele miljarden om wapens te kopen of zelf te produceren van de VS en Arabische bondgenoten.

als je alle andere landen bondgenoten van de VS noemt dan kom je idd aan meer
al denk ik niet dat bvb China een echte bondgenoot van de VS is
voorbeeldje hieronder
http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade...ort_values.php

France
4270

USA
201

USSR
16925
TIV of arms exports to Iraq, 1980-1988