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12 december 2008, 17:49 | #21 |
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Humor is u compleet vreemd blijkbaar. Anarchisme bestaat amper nog, hoogstens een paar oudere idealisten. De "anarchisten" van vandaag de dag kan men beter bestempelen als chaoten. Dat zit een hele dag in een vies krakerskot (buiten in de weekends, want dan moeten ze braaf het burgerzoontje en -dochtertje uithangen bij de mama en de papa) en besluit af en toe om alles kapot te gaan stampen WANT.... dan gaat de maatschappij helemaal anders worden!
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12 december 2008, 18:11 | #22 | |
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-werkloos -langharig -drugs -carapils -punkers
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12 december 2008, 18:13 | #23 |
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Wat is er meer kapitalistisch aan die dingen dan bv een broek, een stoel, een bol wol, ....?
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12 december 2008, 18:33 | #24 | |
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Jij ook vergat enkele essentiële kenmerken - geweld - drugs - incest - uitkering door Vadertje staat Vergat ik nog iets?
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12 december 2008, 19:06 | #25 | |
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Voor de duidelijkheid: ál deze kenmerken zijn van toepassing op anarchisten en er zit geen ironie in deze post.
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13 december 2008, 11:43 | #26 | |
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En hou liever op met die persoonlijke aanvallen naar anarchisten toe. Incest zie ik als een zware belediging.
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13 december 2008, 12:03 | #27 |
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Anarchisten die zich organiseren?
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13 december 2008, 12:07 | #28 |
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13 december 2008, 16:21 | #29 | |
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U post raakt geen kant noch wal. Persoonlijke aanvallen? Hmm, wil ik dergelijke posts van menig anarchist op dit forum hier even onderposten Ok, incest is een groot woord,neem dan in plaats van incest bvb: gedwongen seks. Verder valt het me op dat echte anarchisten ver uitgestorven zijn.
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13 december 2008, 20:02 | #30 |
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13 december 2008, 20:52 | #31 | |
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Anarchisten zijn doorgaans totaal geen rebellen en doen gewoon hun goesting binnen de maatschappij. Wat niet noodzakelijk inhoud dat ze ervan profiteren. Iemand die zegt dat hij anarchist is zegt eigenlijk niet zoveel, de meeste Belgen zijn in hart anarchisten. |
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13 december 2008, 21:14 | #32 | |
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To that! Tuurlijk zijn de meest Belgen anarchisten, wie gelooft er nu nog in Belgie?
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13 december 2008, 22:02 | #33 | |
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13 december 2008, 22:39 | #35 |
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een kapitalist is iemand die productiemiddelen bezit, en mensen er mee laat werken voor een loon waardoor hij winst maakt.
Zo iemand kan toch perfect anarchistisch zijn? Laatst gewijzigd door Ambiorix : 13 december 2008 om 22:39. |
14 december 2008, 09:12 | #36 |
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Het zou fijn zijn als je het dan ook weerlegt.
De identiteit van een anarchist ligt niet in het Anarchisme zelf maar in de invulling ervan. Er is maar één groep die heel moeilijk samengaat met anarchisten en dat zijn fashisten. Maar dat is het enige wat anarchisten eventueel kan binden en dan nog zal de te volgen visie totaal verschillen. De moderne anarchist kan toch moeilijk zijn soelaas nog zoeken in de rebel uit te hangen en te lullen over revolutie? Heeft het verleden nog niet genoeg duidelijk gemaakt dat we op die manier gewoon de dood vinden, zelfs de socialisten hebben ons al meerdere malen een mes in de rug gestoken. De rebel kan je ook op een andere manier tot zijn recht laten komen dan te staan roepen. Anarchisten zullen nooit een compromis krijgen van de staat! Het enige wat anarchisten kunnen doen is hun afhankelijkheid van die staat juist reduceren en dat lukt het beste als je zo weinig mogelijk in de kijker loopt. Dus een anarchist die een uitkering geniet is op zijn minst een hypocriet en verraad de beginselen van het anarchisme. Voor mijn part mag men betogen zoveel hij wil, ik vind het een dwaze en vooral erg domme (voor anarchisten wel te verstaan) manier van werken. De geschiedenis zou u toch moeten duidelijk maken dat anarchisten in betogingen en bij revoluties worden misbruikt! Als je er goed over nadenk past revolutie zelfs niet bij het Anarchisme. Deze samenlevingsvorm kan alleen vanuit de buik groeien en dit door zelf het alternatief aan te tonen. Laatst gewijzigd door Loki : 14 december 2008 om 09:33. |
14 december 2008, 09:41 | #37 |
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http://anarchonation.blogspot.com/20...in-madrid.html III Quests of Dissidence in Madrid By Flavio Goncalves Last November 7th, 8th and 9th several Socialist, Revolutionary and Patriotic dissidents from all over Europe (from the far West of the Azores islands to the far East of Russia) gathered in Madrid, Spain, for the III Quests of Dissidence. In these three days hundreds of people had the change to listen to very unique, and different, individuals that held very not so mainstreamish views. I was one of them!. Day one We left early for the airport in Lisbon (laugh if you want, it was cheaper for us poor three Portuguese citizens to travel by plane to Madrid rather than driving, that’s how expensive gasoline is around here these days) after a last depressing visit to our P.O. Box, we had hoped that in the last minute all the merchandise Welf Herfurth sent us from Australia would arrive… well it didn’t, so the eye filling exhibition we were counting on to present National-Anarchist merchandise and literature to impress our European partners had to settle with the 4 issues of our Portuguese language magazine… my fault given that I gave Welf the wrong postal code given that my slight dyslexia caused that I traded two of the numbers… The flight to Spain was only one hour long, surprising enough for a Portuguese our designated Spaniard driver was waiting us at the airport when we arrived (those of you that may have visited Portugal should know what I’m talking about regarding timing) and took us to the hotel, there we were greeted by Antonio Martinez Cayuela, general secretary of the Social Republican Movement, whose cultural section had organized the event. Small talk and then lunch, where we met Alberto Buela, a deeply interesting Argentinean with who we had the chance to chat through a few hours and that, later, would be fascinated with our speeches in the Quests. After a short introduction by Cayuela the first speaker took the word, our very own Filipe Ferreira acting as president of the Portuguese-Iranian Friendship Society that gave a great speech about a few details that mainstream ignores regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran and ended with a short resume about his personal evolution and how we deal with politics in Portugal (namely our practice of working with far-left and far-right activists at will). Buela was fascinated with our “Vertical action” theory, Filipe stated that the system sees the world in an Horizontal way, with Right, Left and Center and places in these circles all that exists while we, for the other hand, must act in a Vertical way, front towards the system. A Vertical line has place for cooperation’s with both the Left and the Right and escapes completely to the labels used today. Alberto Buela promised he will write about this in detail (a philosopher that is a vice-secretary of the Internal Affairs Ministry of Argentina studying National-Anarchist theory… not bad for the first day, is it?) The second speaker was a Spanish historian that presented his book about the 1808 May 2nd insurrection in Spain, of which I never heard before. It was when Spanish people took their weapons and rioted against the Napoleonic invaders that the Spanish military where almost pleased to welcome. An interesting speech on people’s autonomous action, with no State nor Military rulings, just ‘we’ the people. To finish the evening a great fiery speech by Jaume Farrerons, member of the Party of Catalonia, former general secretary and founding member of Platform for Catalonia, party from which he resigned due to it’s far-right political inclinations of late. The name of the speech was titled “National Revolutionaries: a Leftwing alternative?”. He proved us, for nearly an hour, that Nationalism belongs to the Leftwing side of the political spectrum and, I quote, “We are left-wingers, we are radical Left, more: we are far-left!”. He gave us many historical references about the fact that the Left was not a concise ideological block, it has many different ideologies within it and we are one of those ideologies, History always placed revolutionaries and bringers of change in the Left side of the fence, well we are revolutionary and we want change so… He also pointed out that “our main enemies are the Jewish Far-Right” (Zionism that is), and also that working class people, the people we target as our own, have always been seen as naturally Leftwing while the Bankers and the bosses have always been connected to rightwing forces, once again… any wonder that we, in Portugal, label ourselves as New Left? Day two The day started with Alexander Kuznetsov speech on Eurasia, Alexander is the head of International section of the movement and also a member of the Foreign Affairs Ministry of Russia, a heavy weight with who I also had the pleasure of chatting the day before. He gave us the background of the Eurasian movement and showed a very interesting movie of Eurasian action, the movement has thousands of supporters spread everywhere in Europe. After the movie exhibition it was time for the presentation of the latest books from Ediciones Nueva Republica, one of them being Tomislav Sunic’s “Homo Americanus”, Sunic himself was scheduled to be there but he couldn’t, in that same day he was nominated ambassador of Croatia in Algeria, so he had to cancel on us. After lunch it was my time to take the podium – representing the Free Revolutionaries Circle - in a round table discussion with Roberto Bevilacqua (Fiamma Tricolore, Italy), Robin Morawitz (very young and unknown skinhead from the NPD, a very poor choice by the Germans), Herve van Laethem (NATION, Belgium), Jordi de la Fuente (MSR, Spain) and Frederik Ranson (NSA, Flanders – Belgium). I was surprised that Frederik knew National-Anarchism and he knew me from Revolution International, that is linked in the NSA official website. We where asked 3 questions each se we could figure our differences out, turns out we where not that different even though my answers where slightly different. First question: What’s the biggest problem haunting Europe today?: Fiamma: The lack of values in today’s citizens and society due to materialism. FRC: The artificial crisis created by the Bank owners – pure usury – with the support of the European Central Bank. NATION: Immigration and the lack of Identity. NSA: Globalization. NPD: Globalization and Capitalism. During the talk we pretty much agreed that Capitalism is the main menace today. Second question: can the Nation states of Europe fight alone this problem or do we need a bigger entity?: Fiamma: No (I couldn’t tell the rest of the answer, did not understood it). FRC: No, and pointed out Lusophony as a solution to Portugal, Pan-Latinism for Latin Southern America and Southern Europe and, finally for Europe, Eurasia, these are all valid alternative markets to get us out of the global market ran by the US of A. NATION: No, united European block with strong armed forces, an Identitarian and Socialist Europe. NSA: No, we need a European National Revolution and closer ties with Russia. NPD: We need a European Federation of Nation states. MSR: we need a greater space. During the talk we all agreed on the need of greater spaces, I guess George Orwell gave a turn or two in his grave. Third question: how can we fight global Capitalism? Creating European Capitalism?: Fiamma: Socialization of the companies. FRC: We need Socialism, not Capitalism, money has it’s own logic and the only solution is Socialism. NATION: Capitalism is dying; we should follow the Italian example (socialization, social actions and squatting). NSA: Political renewal, a bigger control by the state regarding the economy. NPD: Stated that Socialist Nationalism is the solution and Capitalism the disease. MSR: Capitalism always existed ruled by usuraries, gangsters, drug dealers and assorted speculators. Capitalism is Death, Socialism is Live. During the talk we all agreed on Socialism as the only way out (or Socialization for the Italian Right-wingers that seem to have a problem with the word Socialism…). After this we had a very touching poetry session accompanied with non-electric guitar followed by a debate between several Spanish parties, of local interest only so I see no need to resume it here. After the debate we went to bed and the crowd that wished so had a folk concert with Mara Ros (Spain) and Saturnia Regna (Italy, they know Troy Southgate so I take they are good people). Third day The open speeches where by Jose Luiz Riesco (that greeted me very enthusiastically the day before, I guess because of my alternative markets theory that includes Pan-Latinism) and Joachim Bochaca (Spanish intellectual that is being translated into English in the last year by The Barnes Review magazine). They spoke about the world crises, Riesco quoted me on the artificiality of the crisis, the role of Zionism and the US of A in the world as we know it was also strongly spoken of. After this dual conference (Bochaca and Riesco spoke together) we heard Christian Bouchet discussing the future of the French National Front and explaining why the National Revolutionaries and the National Left are supporting Marine Le Pen as next president of FN, they see Marine as a continuity of the Le Pen brand and, at the same time, someone that can revolutionize the party within. In the last years the FN has a growing Left-wing membership and there are much fears that the party may split in two (or more) after the dead of Jean Marie Le Pen. The last speaker was Alberto Buela, that presented his own theory on the geopolitical weight of South America and he quoted Ferreira quite a few times, we need Vertical action in an Horizontal world. It was a great presentation that complemented my Pan-Latinist theory and had a sould of it’s own. Out of curiosity: Buela met Hugo Chavez, so far, three times. The aftermath Given that the latest issue of the Spanish “Krisis21” magazine ran a 2 and a half pages interview with me I was somewhat noticed and greeted during the three days, even more after my short interventions. So far I was invited to contribute in the next issues of the “Nihil Obstat” magazine (that among it’s contributors counts with Dugin, de Benoist, Bouchet and even Alain Soral…) and I was also invited to visit Moscow, apparently the Eurasian diplomat enjoyed my conversations and theories. It’s a great work the Social Republican Movement is doing with these Quests of Dissidence, let’s hope it lasts many more years to come. Also, the event have a dozen of stands selling mainly books, very politically incorrect books for all tastes, from historical Revisionism to Communism and National-Bolshevism passing by National Socialism and Anarchism and ending in the Sinn Fein and other Irish Republicanism. Let the dissidence roll… |
14 december 2008, 10:50 | #38 |
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Nog meer onzin,er besta genoeg texten op het internet en verder gaan jullie den hypocriete tour op en daarop ga ik niet reageren.
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14 december 2008, 10:59 | #39 | |
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Maar wat goed is(zoals uitkeringen) mag blijven(want het resultaat van een vroegere revolutie) tot voor zolang ze nodig blijken te zijn,eerst komaf maken met wat slecht is,uiteraard.
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14 december 2008, 11:33 | #40 |
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Vertel geen onzin, anarchisme is antikapitalistisch, daar bestaat zelfs geen discussie over.
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