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Oud 20 maart 2012, 02:06   #1
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Standaard Het verhaal van Mozes en Alkhadr*********6

(Moses) and (Khidr)
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allah says;
60. And (remember) when Musa (Moses) said to his boy-servant: "I will not give up (travelling) until I reach the junction of the two seas or (until) I spend years and years in travelling."

61. But when they reached the junction of the two seas, they forgot their fish, and it took its way through the sea as in a tunnel.

62. So when they had passed further on (beyond that fixed place), Musa (Moses) said to his boy-servant: "Bring us our morning meal; truly, we have suffered much fatigue in this, our journey."

63. He said:"Do you remember when we betook ourselves to the rock? I indeed forgot the fish, none but Shaitan (Satan) made me forget to remember it. It took its course into the sea in a strange (way)!"
64. [Musa (Moses)] said: "That is what we have been seeking." So they went back retracing their footsteps.

65. Then they found one of Our slaves, unto whom We had bestowed mercy from Us, and whom We had taught knowledge from Us.
66. Musa (Moses) said to him (Khidr) "May I follow you so that you teach me something of that knowledge (guidance and true path) which you have been taught (by Allah)?"

67. He (Khidr) said: "Verily! You will not be able to have patience with me!
68. "And how can you have patience about a thing which you know not?"
69. Musa (Moses) said: "If Allah will, you will find me patient, and I will not disobey you in aught."

70. He (Khidr) said: "Then, if you follow me, ask me not about anything till I myself mention it to you."
71. So they both proceeded, till, when they embarked the ship, he (Khidr) scuttled it. Musa (Moses) said: "Have you scuttled it in order to drown its people? Verily, you have committed a thing "Imra" (a Munkar - evil, bad, dreadful thing)."

72. He (Khidr) said: "Did I not tell you, that you would not be able to have patience with me?"
73. [Musa (Moses)] said: "Call me not to account for what I forgot, and be not hard upon me for my affair (with you)."

74. Then they both proceeded, till they met a boy, he (Khidr) killed him. Musa (Moses) said: "Have you killed an innocent person who had killed none? Verily, you have committed a thing "Nukra" (a great Munkar - prohibited, evil, dreadful thing)!"

75. (Khidr) said: "Did I not tell you that you can have no patience with me?"
76. [Musa (Moses)] said: "If I ask you anything after this, keep me not in your company, you have received an excuse from me."

77. Then they both proceeded, till, when they came to the people of a town, they asked them for food, but they refused to entertain them. Then they found therein a wall about to collapse and he (Khidr) set it up straight. [Musa (Moses)] said: If you had wished, surely, you could have taken wages for it!"
78. (Khidr) said: "This is the parting between me and you, I will tell you the interpretation of (those) things over which you were unable to hold patience.
79. "As for the ship, it belonged to Masakin (poor people) working in the sea. So I wished to make a defective damage in it, as there was a king after them who seized every ship by force.

80. "And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared lest he should oppress them by rebellion and disbelief.
81. "So we intended that their Lord should change him for them for one better in righteousness and near to mercy.
82. "And as for the wall, it belonged to two orphan boys in the town; and there was under it a treasure belonging to them; and their father was a righteous man, and your Lord intended that they should attain their age of full strength and take out their treasure as a mercy from your Lord. And I did it not of my own accord. That is the interpretation of those (things) over which you could not hold patience."
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Oud 20 maart 2012, 02:07   #2
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Narated By Ibn Abbas : That he differed with Al-Hur bin Qais Al-Fazari regarding the companion of Moses. Ibn 'Abbas said that he was Al-Khadir. Meanwhile Ubai bin Ka'b passed by them and Ibn 'Abbas called him saying, "My friend and I have differed regarding Moses' companion whom Moses asked the way to meet. Have you heard Allah's Apostle mentioning something about him?" He said, "Yes, I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'While Moses was sitting in the company of some Israelites, a man came and asked (him), 'Do you know anyone who is more learned than you?' Moses replied, 'No.' So, Allah sent the Divine Inspiration to Moses: 'Yes, Our slave, Khadir (is more learned than you).' Moses asked how to meet him (i.e. Khadir). So, the fish, was made, as a sign for him, and he was told that when the fish was lost, he should return and there he would meet him. So, Moses went on looking for the sign of the fish in the sea. The servant boy of Moses said to him, 'Do you know that when we were sitting by the side of the rock, I forgot the fish, and t was only Satan who made me forget to tell (you) about it.' Moses said, That was what we were seeking after,' and both of them returned, following their footmarks and found Khadir; and what happened further to them, is mentioned in Allah's Book."

Sahih al-Bukhary, The Book of Prophets, Hadith Number:3436, Narrated by: Ubay Ibn-ka'b
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Oud 20 maart 2012, 10:35   #3
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Gast, bol het af.
Dit is nu al het 6de topic dat je aanmaakt over exact hetzelfde. Ga in de bib wat sprookjes voorlezen voor de kinderen, maar vergeet zeker eerst SABAM niet te betalen.
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Oud 20 maart 2012, 14:43   #4
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No my dear brother

I am talking about stories of the prophets, full details

Because there is injustice and slander and distortion of their lives in the Torah and the Gospel

This from the duties of a Muslim

The patch and tell the truth and justice
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Oud 20 maart 2012, 17:30   #5
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No my dear brother

I am talking about stories of the prophets, full details

Because there is injustice and slander and distortion of their lives in the Torah and the Gospel

This from the duties of a Muslim

The patch and tell the truth and justice
Uw duty is je goed recht maar heb je na 6 keer hetzelfde te posten nog steeds niet door dat absoluut NIEMAND geïnsteresseert is in die sprookjes van je?

Je mag voor mijn part geloven wat je wil, maar hou die truut voor je eigen en val er niemand anders mee lastig.

Dank u.
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Oud 21 maart 2012, 20:43   #6
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Uw duty is je goed recht maar heb je na 6 keer hetzelfde te posten nog steeds niet door dat absoluut NIEMAND geïnsteresseert is in die sprookjes van je?

Je mag voor mijn part geloven wat je wil, maar hou die truut voor je eigen en val er niemand anders mee lastig.

Dank u.
My dear brother

Thank you for the high morals

But
I try to do my best for all people
The final results
Leave that to God

God says in the Holy Qur'an

(272) Not upon you, [O Muammad], is [responsibility for] their guidance, but Allah guides whom He wills. And whatever good you [believers] spend is for yourselves, and you do not spend except seeking the countenance of Allah. And whatever you spend of good – it will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.

(272) Gij zijt niet verplicht hen terecht te wijzen, God leidt wien hij wil. Wat gij aan aalmoezen geeft is voor uw heil; wat gij geeft, geeft het met het doel, Gods aangezicht te zien. Wat gij den armen goed doet, zal u eens betaald worden, en gij zult niet onrechtvaardig behandeld worden.
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Oud 21 maart 2012, 20:53   #7
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Oud 23 maart 2012, 16:31   #8
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Narated By Said bin Jubair : I said to Ibn Abbas, "Nauf Al-Bukah claims that Moses, the companion of Al-Khadir was not Moses (the prophet) of the children of Israel, but some other Moses." Ibn 'Abbas said, "Allah's enemy (i.e. Nauf) has told a lie.

Ubai bin Ka'b told us that the Prophet said, 'Once Moses stood up and addressed Bani Israel. He was asked who was the most learned man amongst the people. He said, 'I.' Allah admonished him as he did not attribute absolute knowledge to Him (Allah).

So, Allah said to him, 'Yes, at the junction of the two seas there is a Slave of Mine who is more learned than you.' Moses said, 'O my Lord! How can I meet him?' Allah said, 'Take a fish and put it in a large basket and you will find him at the place where you will lose the fish.

' Moses took a fish and put it in a basket and proceeded along with his (servant) boy, Yusha 'bin Nun, till they reached the rock where they laid their heads (i.e. lay down).

Moses slept, and the fish, moving out of the basket, fell into the sea. It took its way into the sea (straight) as in a tunnel. Allah stopped the flow of water over the fish and it became like an arch (the Prophet pointed out this arch with his hands).

They travelled the rest of the night, and the next day Moses said to his boy (servant), 'Give us our food, for indeed, we have suffered much fatigue in this journey of ours.' Moses did not feel tired till he crossed that place which Allah had ordered him to seek after. His boy (servant) said to him, 'Do you know that when we were sitting near that rock, I forgot the fish, and none but Satan caused me to forget to tell (you) about it, and it took its course into the sea in an amazing way?.

' So there was a path for the fish and that astonished them. Moses said, 'That was what we were seeking after.' So, both of them retraced their footsteps till they reached the rock. There they saw a man Lying covered with a garment. Moses greeted him and he replied saying, 'How do people greet each other in your land?' Moses said, 'I am Moses.

' The man asked, 'Moses of Bani Israel?' Moses said, 'Yes, I have come to you so that you may teach me from those things which Allah has taught you.' He said, 'O Moses! I have some of the Knowledge of Allah which Allah has taught me, and which you do not know, while you have some of the Knowledge of Allah which Allah has taught you and which I do not know.

' Moses asked, 'May I follow you?' He said, 'But you will not be able to remain patient with me for how can you be patient about things which you will not be able to understand?' (Moses said, 'You will find me, if Allah so will, truly patient, and I will not disobey you in aught.')

So, both of them set out walking along the sea-shore, a boat passed by them and they asked the crew of the boat to take them on board. The crew recognized Al-Khadir and so they took them on board without fare. When they were on board the boat, a sparrow came and stood on the edge of the boat and dipped its beak once or twice into the sea. Al-Khadir said to Moses, 'O Moses! My knowledge and your knowledge have not decreased Allah's Knowledge except as much as this sparrow has decreased the water of the sea with its beak.' Then suddenly Al-Khadir took an adze and plucked a plank, and Moses did not notice it till he had plucked a plank with the adze.


Moses said to him, 'What have you done? They took us on board charging us nothing; yet you I have intentionally made a hole in their boat so as to drown its passengers. Verily, you have done a dreadful thing.' Al-Khadir replied, 'Did I not tell you that you would not be able to remain patient with me?' Moses replied, 'Do not blame me for what I have forgotten, and do not be hard upon me for my fault.

' So the first excuse of Moses was that he had forgotten. When they had left the sea, they passed by a boy playing with other boys. Al-Khadir took hold of the boys head and plucked it with his hand like this. (Sufyan, the sub narrator pointed with his fingertips as if he was plucking some fruit.) Moses said to him, "Have you killed an innocent person who has not killed any person? You have really done a horrible thing." Al-Khadir said, "Did I not tell you that you could not remain patient with me?' Moses said "If I ask you about anything after this, don't accompany me. You have received an excuse from me.' Then both of them went on till they came to some people of a village, and they asked its inhabitant for wood but they refused to entertain them as guests.

Then they saw therein a wall which was just going to collapse (and Al Khadir repaired it just by touching it with his hands). (Sufyan, the sub-narrator, pointed with his hands, illustrating how Al-Khadir passed his hands over the wall upwards.) Moses said, "These are the people whom we have called on, but they neither gave us food, nor entertained us as guests, yet you have repaired their wall.

If you had wished, you could have taken wages for it." Al-Khadir said, "This is the parting between you and me, and I shall tell you the explanation of those things on which you could not remain patient." The Prophet added, "We wished that Moses could have remained patient by virtue of which Allah might have told us more about their story. (Sufyan the sub-narrator said that the Prophet said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on Moses! If he had remained patient, we would have been told further about their case.")

Sahih al-Bukhary, The Book of Prophets, Hadith Number:3437, Narrated by: Ubay Ibn-ka'b
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@revoleto

There are better stories than those you tell:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_tale
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Uw duty is je goed recht maar heb je na 6 keer hetzelfde te posten nog steeds niet door dat absoluut NIEMAND geïnsteresseert is in die sprookjes van je?

Je mag voor mijn part geloven wat je wil, maar hou die truut voor je eigen en val er niemand anders mee lastig.

Dank u.
maar allez, diene mens is punten aan het sparen (hassanad) om een eersteklasticketje richting 72 hoeren te krijgen. en als hij denkt dat hij genoeg punten heeft gespaard, dan laat hij zich ontploffen, en kijk, daar liggen de trossen witte druiven uitgestald op tafel! kan ie eeuwig en eeuwig en eeuwig die rotdruiven opeten.
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Oud 24 maart 2012, 18:49   #11
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My dear brother

I know you want to learn some of the articles on Islam

Islam is very beautiful
And many sections

I hope a little patience

God has guided you to Islam


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khkfKaTUYjE
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Oud 25 maart 2012, 00:12   #12
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My dear brother

Islam is very beautiful
Is Islam obsessed with blood?


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Oud 25 maart 2012, 18:36   #13
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My dear brother

This image made me realize exactly and completely

You do not know anything about Islam

This image of Shiite doctrines
It is not anything in Islam

Islam is innocent of the Shiite doctrines and Baha'i

God has guided you to Islam


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAqjPnWoW0s
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I try to do my best for all people
Leave that to God, or do you think you are better then God?
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Oud 26 maart 2012, 16:03   #15
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My dear brother

God in the Holy Qur'an
(67) They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him

(64) Say, "O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah." But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]."

God has guided you to Islam

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My dear brother


God has guided you to Islam

My dear brother



God had guided you to the micropeople....

atoms are spaceships

Atoms are made up from spaceships, in which trillions of super intelligent micro-people live.

They are the only real Gods....
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My dear brother,

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My dear brother

This image of Shiite doctrines
It is not anything in Islam

Islam is innocent of the Shiite doctrines and Baha'i
Thank you for your comments revoleto. How can I believe you? There are about 10.000 Quran schools in Iran and 1,5 million pupils. If they error, why do you not correct them?

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Pointing to the Supreme Leader’s last week address to teachers, Haji Babaei said, “As the Supreme Leader pointed out, the Education Ministry is the most important government body and however material and spiritual investment is made in the ministry is worth it.”

He also said Iran should have a comprehensive education plan and an independent education system based on an Iranian-Islamic model.

Noting that there are close to 10,000 Quran schools across the country, he said 1.5 million students attend these schools. “But more such schools are needed and we plan to bring the number of Quran schools in the country to 50,000.”

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Yes, my dear brother

You are on the right

To be cleansing and correction for many conditions
Any Muslim who follows the Holy Qur'an and Hadith

Correctly

Wants the return of the Islamic Caliphate
Such as the succession of Omar ibn al-Khattab
Islam And the Islamic Kingdom has half the world at that time

So there is no violation in Islam
Principle one
Do not look to bad examples
But
Read the Qur'an and study Islam
The right way
Will know the wonderful truth of Islam

God has guided you to Islam

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